Brian Mathis wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:33 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Arun Khan wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:10 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Does anyone know of a DVR that runs Linux that does NOT USE
Active-X, and/or allows logging in directly?
MythTV? It has a web UI.
No joy, either this, nor zoneminder. Right now, we just have motion
running on the servers that have the USB cameras plugged in; after the recent grief we had with the last upgrade to CentOS, when I wound up moving one camera that just would not work - the top 10% of the screen was fine, and the rest green, and the other I had to change the resolution to 240x360 to get it to not do that, my manager asked me to look into appliances that we could manage from our servers.
We've found Zmodo, and another one, but with *both* of them, though the
DVR that comes with the set is running Linux, web control *REQURES* IE, and you can't log in directly using ssh or telnet.
If the camera is running on Windows, you can probably stream directly
from the device using ffmpeg. See here for details:
http://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/DirectShowYou would set the input as the camera and the output as a file, and add
any codec options you want, etc...
I'm sure there's probably a similar mode for Linux. If nothing else,
you can probe the camera to see what modes it supports, etc..., to make sure you're picking one that works,
Ok, I *must* not have made clear what I was asking for. Let me try one more time....
We want an appliance, such as http://www.zmodo.com/4ch-h-264-full-d1-dvr-500gb-hdd-with-4-cmos-480tvl-ir-outdoor-security-cameras-with-11-leds.html, that we can put on our network, and manage, and d/l videos for long-term storage, onto a server. We have exactly, um, two? boxes running Windows, and we normally do *nothing* with them. We've over 100 servers running Linux, and that's where we live.
Currently, the USB cameras are connected to ->CENTOS SERVERS<-, no WinCrap at all. We use the standard package motion to record for surveillance. We're looking for an "appliance", like the link I give above, that we can manage the same way that we manage an HP printer, which does *NOT* require IE, and we can do with firefox, or probably even konqueror. At the very least, we want to use, say, wget, to d/l the videos.
NOTHING RUNNING WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, if I can calm myself down, have I made it clear what it is we're looking for? If so, can anyone recommend a source for such an appliance?
mark
Ok, I *must* not have made clear what I was asking for. Let me try one more time....
We want an appliance, such as http://www.zmodo.com/4ch-h-264-full-d1-dvr-500gb-hdd-with-4-cmos-480tvl-ir-outdoor-security-cameras-with-11-leds.html, that we can put on our network, and manage, and d/l videos for long-term storage, onto a server. We have exactly, um, two? boxes running Windows, and we normally do *nothing* with them. We've over 100 servers running Linux, and that's where we live.
Currently, the USB cameras are connected to ->CENTOS SERVERS<-, no WinCrap at all. We use the standard package motion to record for surveillance. We're looking for an "appliance", like the link I give above, that we can manage the same way that we manage an HP printer, which does *NOT* require IE, and we can do with firefox, or probably even konqueror. At the very least, we want to use, say, wget, to d/l the videos.
NOTHING RUNNING WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, if I can calm myself down, have I made it clear what it is we're looking for? If so, can anyone recommend a source for such an appliance?
mark
Not knowing if / how much you're willing to spend, take a look at a Synology NAS, which has Surveillance Station. You get one camera license with each one and then you have to buy additional camera licenses for about $55 each.
Of course you'd be getting a lot more than just a surveillance DVR, so may or may not fit your needs. They are great devices.
Good luck, James
On 07/31/2013 08:19 PM, James Pifer wrote:
Ok, I *must* not have made clear what I was asking for. Let me try one more time....
We want an appliance, such as http://www.zmodo.com/4ch-h-264-full-d1-dvr-500gb-hdd-with-4-cmos-480tvl-ir-outdoor-security-cameras-with-11-leds.html, that we can put on our network, and manage, and d/l videos for long-term storage, onto a server. We have exactly, um, two? boxes running Windows, and we normally do *nothing* with them. We've over 100 servers running Linux, and that's where we live.
Currently, the USB cameras are connected to ->CENTOS SERVERS<-, no WinCrap at all. We use the standard package motion to record for surveillance. We're looking for an "appliance", like the link I give above, that we can manage the same way that we manage an HP printer, which does *NOT* require IE, and we can do with firefox, or probably even konqueror. At the very least, we want to use, say, wget, to d/l the videos.
NOTHING RUNNING WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, if I can calm myself down, have I made it clear what it is we're looking for? If so, can anyone recommend a source for such an appliance?
markNot knowing if / how much you're willing to spend, take a look at a Synology NAS, which has Surveillance Station. You get one camera license with each one and then you have to buy additional camera licenses for about $55 each.
Of course you'd be getting a lot more than just a surveillance DVR, so may or may not fit your needs. They are great devices.
Good luck, James
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Hello. We are using Kmotion, which as far as I have seen in our setup stores static images (JPEG) every couple of seconds. I don't know many details about it though, as our Physical Infrastructure team set it up and manages it, but they are happy with it.
I think saving images as opposed to video was decided based on the cost of the storage (over 60 cameras, too much data).
On 07/31/2013 08:39 PM, Marios Zindilis wrote:
On 07/31/2013 08:19 PM, James Pifer wrote:
Ok, I *must* not have made clear what I was asking for. Let me try one more time....
We want an appliance, such as http://www.zmodo.com/4ch-h-264-full-d1-dvr-500gb-hdd-with-4-cmos-480tvl-ir-outdoor-security-cameras-with-11-leds.html,
that we can put on our network, and manage, and d/l videos for long-term storage, onto a server. We have exactly, um, two? boxes running Windows, and we normally do *nothing* with them. We've over 100 servers running Linux, and that's where we live.
Currently, the USB cameras are connected to ->CENTOS SERVERS<-, no WinCrap at all. We use the standard package motion to record for surveillance. We're looking for an "appliance", like the link I give above, that we can manage the same way that we manage an HP printer, which does *NOT* require IE, and we can do with firefox, or probably even konqueror. At the very least, we want to use, say, wget, to d/l the videos.
NOTHING RUNNING WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, if I can calm myself down, have I made it clear what it is we're looking for? If so, can anyone recommend a source for such an appliance?
markNot knowing if / how much you're willing to spend, take a look at a Synology NAS, which has Surveillance Station. You get one camera license with each one and then you have to buy additional camera licenses for about $55 each.
Of course you'd be getting a lot more than just a surveillance DVR, so may or may not fit your needs. They are great devices.
Good luck, James
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Hello. We are using Kmotion, which as far as I have seen in our setup stores static images (JPEG) every couple of seconds. I don't know many details about it though, as our Physical Infrastructure team set it up and manages it, but they are happy with it.
I think saving images as opposed to video was decided based on the cost of the storage (over 60 cameras, too much data).
I forgot to add that it fulfills some of your requirements: runs on Linux servers, ssh access available of course, is free.
Marios Zindilis wrote:
On 07/31/2013 08:39 PM, Marios Zindilis wrote:
On 07/31/2013 08:19 PM, James Pifer wrote:
Ok, I *must* not have made clear what I was asking for. Let me try one more time....
We want an appliance, such as http://www.zmodo.com/4ch-h-264-full-d1-dvr-500gb-hdd-with-4-cmos-480tvl-ir-outdoor-security-cameras-with-11-leds.html,
<snip>
Not knowing if / how much you're willing to spend, take a look at a Synology NAS, which has Surveillance Station. You get one camera license with each one and then you have to buy additional camera licenses for about $55 each.
Of course you'd be getting a lot more than just a surveillance DVR, so may or may not fit your needs. They are great devices.
I'm researching them. A bit higher than I was looking at - we need to cover two rooms, floors apart, so it would probably be two appliances. I do need to be aware of costs, as this is a US federal gov't agency (non-defense), and there's this grandstanding thing called a "sequester"....
Hello. We are using Kmotion, which as far as I have seen in our setup stores static images (JPEG) every couple of seconds. I don't know many details about it though, as our Physical Infrastructure team set it up and manages it, but they are happy with it.
<snip> Looks like a variant of motion, which, as I mentioned, is a standard CentOS package. That's not the same thing as an "appliance". Think "something we can plug in, just like a printer, but has cameras attached to *it*".
mark
James Pifer wrote:
mark wrote:
Ok, I *must* not have made clear what I was asking for. Let me try one more time....
We want an appliance, such as http://www.zmodo.com/4ch-h-264-full-d1-dvr-500gb-hdd-with-4-cmos-480tvl-ir-outdoor-security-cameras-with-11-leds.html, that we can put on our network, and manage, and d/l videos for long-term storage, onto a server. We have exactly, um, two? boxes running Windows, and we normally do *nothing* with them. We've over 100 servers running Linux, and that's where we live.
<snip>
NOTHING RUNNING WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not knowing if / how much you're willing to spend, take a look at a Synology NAS, which has Surveillance Station. You get one camera license with each one and then you have to buy additional camera licenses for about $55 each.
Of course you'd be getting a lot more than just a surveillance DVR, so may or may not fit your needs. They are great devices.
Well, that wasn't what I wanted, but it led me to the acronym I needed to know: NVS, and thank you *very* much for leading me to that. Dunno if we want to spend 2x$600 from newegg for something with four definitely overkill cameras (we're just surveilling our "computer labs" (these aren't data centers, no, really, honest (that's if you've read recently that the gov't has suddenly started designating every server closet as a "datacenter")), but at that price, it *does* support firefox, and ftp.... so we're getting a lot closer.
mark
James Pifer wrote:
mark wrote:
Ok, I *must* not have made clear what I was asking for. Let me try one more time....
We want an appliance, such as http://www.zmodo.com/4ch-h-264-full-d1-dvr-500gb-hdd-with-4-cmos-480tvl-ir-outdoor-security-cameras-with-11-leds.html, that we can put on our network, and manage, and d/l videos for long-term storage, onto a server. We have exactly, um, two? boxes running Windows, and we normally do *nothing* with them. We've over 100 servers running Linux, and that's where we live.
<snip>
NOTHING RUNNING WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not knowing if / how much you're willing to spend, take a look at a Synology NAS, which has Surveillance Station. You get one camera license with each one and then you have to buy additional camera licenses for about $55 each.
Of course you'd be getting a lot more than just a surveillance DVR, so may or may not fit your needs. They are great devices.
You mentioned ZoneMaster, and how it wouldn't work for you. What does it lack? I've recently been using it, and it seems to work quite well. ... just curious..
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James Pifer wrote:
mark wrote:
Ok, I *must* not have made clear what I was asking for. Let me try one more time....
We want an appliance, such as http://www.zmodo.com/4ch-h-264-full-d1-dvr-500gb-hdd-with-4-cmos-480tvl-ir-outdoor-security-cameras-with-11-leds.html, that we can put on our network, and manage, and d/l videos for long-term storage, onto a server. We have exactly, um, two? boxes running Windows, and we normally do *nothing* with them. We've over 100 servers running Linux, and that's where we live.
<snip>
NOTHING RUNNING WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not knowing if / how much you're willing to spend, take a look at a Synology NAS, which has Surveillance Station. You get one camera license with each one and then you have to buy additional camera licenses for about $55 each.
Of course you'd be getting a lot more than just a surveillance DVR, so may or may not fit your needs. They are great devices.
You mentioned ZoneMinder, and how it wouldn't work for you. What does it lack? I've recently been using it, and it seems to work quite well. ... just curious..
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Joseph Spenner wrote:
James Pifer wrote:
mark wrote:
Ok, I *must* not have made clear what I was asking for. Let me try one more time....
We want an appliance, such as http://www.zmodo.com/4ch-h-264-full-d1-dvr-500gb-hdd-with-4-cmos-480tvl-ir-outdoor-security-cameras-with-11-leds.html, that we can put on our network, and manage, and d/l videos for long-term storage, onto a server. We have exactly, um, two? boxes running Windows, and we normally do *nothing* with them. We've over 100
servers running
Linux, and that's where we live.
<snip> >> NOTHING RUNNING WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Not knowing if / how much you're willing to spend, take a look at a > Synology NAS, which has Surveillance Station. You get one camera license > with each one and then you have to buy additional camera licenses for > about $55 each. > > Of course you'd be getting a lot more than just a surveillance DVR, so > may or may not fit your needs. They are great devices.
You mentioned ZoneMinder, and how it wouldn't work for you. What does it lack? I've recently been using it, and it seems to work quite well. ... just curious..
It's not a plug-in appliance, it's software. We are currently running the cameras on our servers, and my manager, as I've said, was considering a plug-in appliance, that we could access and back up from our Linux servers or workstations, and not have to worry that, as just happened with the last kernel update, it would break the drivers.
mark
It's not a plug-in appliance, it's software. We are currently running the cameras on our servers, and my manager, as I've said, was considering a plug-in appliance, that we could access and back up from our Linux servers or workstations, and not have to worry that, as just happened with the last kernel update, it would break the drivers.
mark
Maybe a couple of those wuold fit the bill:
http://www.ubnt.com/airvision#aircammini
and, according to the website, the control software (airVision) should install also on linux
Regards Lorenzo
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
It's not a plug-in appliance, it's software. We are currently running the cameras on our servers, and my manager, as I've said, was considering a plug-in appliance, that we could access and back up from our Linux servers or workstations, and not have to worry that, as just happened with the last kernel update, it would break the drivers.
What about just buying another computer that you do not have to update? Give it only a local IP address so that the outside world cannot access it. If I understand what you want correctly, the new computer would not need to send data to the outside world. The new computer and the outside world could be blissfully unaware of each other.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:59 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Brian Mathis wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:33 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Arun Khan wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:10 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Does anyone know of a DVR that runs Linux that does NOT USE
Active-X, and/or allows logging in directly?
MythTV? It has a web UI.
No joy, either this, nor zoneminder. Right now, we just have motion
running on the servers that have the USB cameras plugged in; after the recent grief we had with the last upgrade to CentOS, when I wound up moving one camera that just would not work - the top 10% of the screen was fine, and the rest green, and the other I had to change the resolution to 240x360 to get it to not do that, my manager asked me to look into appliances that we could manage from our servers.
We've found Zmodo, and another one, but with *both* of them, though the
DVR that comes with the set is running Linux, web control *REQURES* IE, and you can't log in directly using ssh or telnet.
If the camera is running on Windows, you can probably stream directly
from the device using ffmpeg. See here for details:
http://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/DirectShowYou would set the input as the camera and the output as a file, and add
any codec options you want, etc...
I'm sure there's probably a similar mode for Linux. If nothing else,
you can probe the camera to see what modes it supports, etc..., to make sure you're picking one that works,
Ok, I *must* not have made clear what I was asking for. Let me try one more time....
We want an appliance, such as < http://www.zmodo.com/4ch-h-264-full-d1-dvr-500gb-hdd-with-4-cmos-480tvl-ir-o...
,
that we can put on our network, and manage, and d/l videos for long-term storage, onto a server. We have exactly, um, two? boxes running Windows, and we normally do *nothing* with them. We've over 100 servers running Linux, and that's where we live.
Currently, the USB cameras are connected to ->CENTOS SERVERS<-, no WinCrap at all. We use the standard package motion to record for surveillance. We're looking for an "appliance", like the link I give above, that we can manage the same way that we manage an HP printer, which does *NOT* require IE, and we can do with firefox, or probably even konqueror. At the very least, we want to use, say, wget, to d/l the videos.
NOTHING RUNNING WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, if I can calm myself down, have I made it clear what it is we're looking for? If so, can anyone recommend a source for such an appliance?
mark
Hi Mark,
If you lay off the coffee for a minute and actually take a look at what people are suggesting, you'll see that ffmpeg is a standard, cross platform, very versatile (basically industry standard) tool for manipulating audio/video files, and it also has good support for capturing from devices. Frankly I had assumed that you had probably already heard of it. It's the swiss army knife of video, and it works perfectly well on Linux as well as Windows. I only mentioned Windows because that's where I had recently used it for device capture.
❧ Brian Mathis
P.S. Should I also point out how far off topic this is, since you seem to want some sort of appliance?
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