From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  2 04:55:33 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:55:33 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] xorg 7.2 on CentOS5
In-Reply-To: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <481A9EC5.4090607@herakles.homelinux.org>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Has anyone built xorg 7.2 for C5, or have handy hints on how it might be 
> done?
> 

"Too much trouble," I decided. Had to pull in too many dependencies, and 
by the time PolicyKit and ConsoleKit got included, it wasn't much like 
RHEL5-clone any more.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Fri May  2 17:19:21 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:19:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM

are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be 
found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Fri May  2 22:10:03 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:10:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.

I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
5.2 is released anyway.

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Sat May  3 11:19:59 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:19:59 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
>> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.
> 
> I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
> there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
> libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
> whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
> 5.2 is released anyway.

afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one 
version behind the current libvirt is far away.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 10:16:05 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:16:05 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
	<481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050316s6c3ace87rfb719a47acdecfe3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farkas,

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one
> version behind the current libvirt is far away.

Let's wait until 5.2 is out. When it is, could you create a list of
features (if any) that we absolutely need, and that are not in libvirt
included in 5.2? If there is a strong case for it (e.g. absence of
proper KVM support), we could look into providing it in CentOS-plus.

Take care,
Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May  5 12:47:54 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 20:47:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
Message-ID: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>

Hi,

I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
I need a respin dist (all updates included).

I wrote a script to generate my CentOS5-respin. My CentOS5 tree is at
/centos/5, it is rsynced with a Taiwan mirror daily. My generated
CentOS5 tree is placed at /centos/5-respin.

The generation of CentOS5-respin by my script runs fine, but the
generated CentOS5-respin tree has a problem: During network installation
using this CentOS5-respin tree, when it gets rpm installation, it always
complains "The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm cannot
be opened.". In the text console, the error message is "Failed to get
http://myserver/centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm".
Anaconda should look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/CentOS, but
it actually looks for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64.

Any ideas?
It would be nice if anyone could point me to some useful docs.

Thanks!
Ruomu

P.S. Here's my script:

#!/bin/bash
#
# gen_respin_distro
#
# To use this script, the following rpms need to installed first:
# anaconda
# anaconda-help
# anaconda-runtime
# busybox-anaconda ?
# bogl
# booty
# netpbm
# netpbm-progs
# mkisofs

#TODO
# 1. Should we use pkgorder? If yes, when?
# 2. Do we need to run pkgorder before buildinstall?
# 3. Do we need to run createrepo? Buildinstall seems to calls it.
# 4. Why does it look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64?


# Check tools
rpmmerge=`dirname "$0"`/rpmmerge
if [ ! -x "$rpmmerge" ]; then
echo "$rpmmerge does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
createrepo="/usr/bin/createrepo"
if [ ! -x "$createrepo" ]; then
echo "$createrepo does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
buildinstall="/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/buildinstall"
if [ ! -x "$buildinstall" ]; then
echo "$buildinstall does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi

# Set variables and functions
src="/centos/5"
dest="/centos/5-respin"
distro="CentOS"
arch="x86_64"
version="5"
product="CentOS"
release="Respin"
prodpath="CentOS"
eval_retval()
{
test $? -ne 0 && exit 1
}

# Merge rpms
echo -e "*** Merge rpms ***\n"
$rpmmerge $src/os/$arch/$distro $src/updates/$arch/RPMS
$dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval

# Create repo data
echo -e "\n*** Create repo data ***\n"
#cp -al $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml $dest/os/$arch/$distro
#eval_retval
$createrepo -q -g $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml -c $dest/os/$arch/cache \
-o $dest/os/$arch $dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval
#rm -f $dest/os/$arch/$distro/comps.xml
#eval_retval

# Run buildinstall
export PYTHONPATH="/usr/lib/anaconda"
echo -e "\n*** Buildinstall ***\n"
sudo $buildinstall \
--pkgorder "$dest/os/$arch/pkgorder.txt" \
--version $version \
--product $product \
--release $release \
--prodpath $prodpath \
$dest/os/$arch
eval_retval

exit 0


From mattdm at mattdm.org  Mon May  5 13:56:53 2008
From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:53 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
> I need a respin dist (all updates included).

Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
packages already installed.

-- 
Matthew Miller           mattdm at mattdm.org          <http://mattdm.org/>
Boston University Linux      ------>              <http://linux.bu.edu/>


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:23:46 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:23:46 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
Message-ID: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>

Developers, developers, developers ...

We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
<http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
editorial staff.

(Note: We can still discuss about that)

What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:

- Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
- should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
  one person)
- Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
  weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
  schemes. 
- Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
  about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
  way for quick and lasting flame fests)

And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
that list (or at least help with that)?

Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
offerings.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:26:07 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:07 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? 
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From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Mon May  5 15:57:46 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:57:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>

I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).

Example:

* The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
* Specific skills needed should appear on the email.

That's just my twenty cents.

- Scott

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...
>
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
>
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
>
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
>
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
>
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
>
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
>
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>   



From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 15:52:33 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...

I love this project!

>  - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)

People who want to apply for a job should know how to handle Google
:). Additionally, I think it normally only useful to skim through the
job offers of the last one or two months.

>  - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)

Yes.

>  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes.

I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

>  - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)

No, it does not serve a purpose. If someone want to follow up on an
offer, they can do so via private mail.

>  And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
>  vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
>  Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
>  that list (or at least help with that)?

Other projects have comparable lists, and they are great. Sometimes
the offers are too general, so, I am all in for moderation. I'd like
to help moderating.

-- Daniel


From amyagi at gmail.com  Mon May  5 16:06:56 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:06:56 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
>  >  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>  >   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>  >   schemes.
>
>  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
and accepted or would it be rejected?

http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

Akemi


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:16 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:16 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
> and accepted or would it be rejected?
> 
> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:41 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:41 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>

Scott Grizzard wrote:
> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> 
> Example:
> 
> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.

What about the country? =:D

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:21:31 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:21:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050921k5ac8ac62i73de77e7c3fcc3ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Akemi Yagi <amyagi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
>  >  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  >  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.
>
>  As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>  CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>  and accepted or would it be rejected?
>  http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

I would reject it:

- It does note state where CentOS is involved.
- It is not clear whether the company wants to hire a person full
time, or wants to make use of consulting services.
- What prior experience is required? What qualifications?
(- How about salary/benefits?)

I think this is a good example what a job offer could look like:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-jobs/2006/07/21/0000.html

-- Daniel


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:32:00 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:32:00 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Scott Grizzard wrote:
> > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
> 
> What about the country? =:D

Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:41:06 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:41:06 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>  > Scott Grizzard wrote:
>  > > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>  > > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>  > >
>  > > Example:
>  > >
>  > > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>  >
>  > What about the country? =:D
>
>  Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
>  allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
>  at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Yes. If an offer is purely in a foreign language, it's probably better
off on one of the non-English lists after an acknowledgement of the
list moderator. I have only once received such request for the Dutch
list.

-- Daniel
-- Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:43:31 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:43:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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Hi,

I've got no real comments based on what was already said. I just want
to say it is a good idea.

What maybe is a option is to post the rules and some sort of template
on the wiki and refer to that when people want to post something.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
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Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Mon May  5 21:59:16 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:59:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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On Mon, 5 May 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Scott Grizzard wrote:
>>> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>>> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>>
>> What about the country? =:D
>
> Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
> allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
> at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

I took that to ask if the country/location as well as the city should be 
required in the subject rather than what language the text might happen to 
be in.

For example a job offer in the city of 'Cambridge' might be in one of 
several places... :-)

Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.

  -- Jon

[ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]


From rwalker at medallion.com  Mon May  5 22:01:57 2008
From: rwalker at medallion.com (Ross S. W. Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:01:57 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> 
> Developers, developers, developers ...
> 
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
> 
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
> 
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
> 
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
> 
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
> 
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
> 
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.

A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
and recruitment firms.

Just my .02 

-Ross

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From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 22:13:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:13:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
<rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>  and recruitment firms.

Hence moderation ;).

-- Daniel


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:21:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:21:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <481F966A.2070204@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jon Peatfield wrote:

> Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
> should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
> their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
> accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.
> 
>  -- Jon
> 
> [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]

HEP?


It's not obvious to me that, should I be looking for someone to work on 
my CentOS project that I should restrict myself to people who are 
already involved in CentOS. Generally, I would think, people experienced 
in RHEL or SL would serve as well, and those familiar with other distros 
(Debian, SUSE) might bring fresh ideas.

I like the Shuttles technique - go on a holiday. Take archives of 
mailing lists. Evaluate peoples' skills, attitudes (eg how they deal 
with others)and ethics. Then, issue invitations.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:25:35 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:25:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>
>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
> 
> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect they're 
looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do. Maybe a 
smallbusiness person who does such things.

It doesn't look like enough work for one.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:32:00 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:32:00 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com> <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
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Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
>> I need a respin dist (all updates included).
> 
> Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
> updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
> packages already installed.
> 
I'm with Matthew. If you do it on the road a lot, pack a laptop with the 
repos you want, dhcpd, tftp (run BIND too) installed and ready to start, 
a small switch and a few wires.And, maybe, a DVD and boot cd, just in case.

You can reconfigure as needed in %post and on first boot.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Tue May  6 00:48:49 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:48:49 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <20080506004849.GD25909@br-online.de>

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
> and recruitment firms.

So you want to apply for that database job which requires no oracle
knowledge but if you can bring in some cli experience (can you spell
${VARIABLE}?) we'd like to talk to you.
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From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Tue May  6 01:01:36 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:01:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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On Tue, 6 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

<snip>
>>  [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]
>
> HEP?

HEP == High Energy Physics (almost universally I thought).

It is just a job supporting computing in that group here (well ~50% of the 
time) so the actual meaning isn't very important.

The deadline for applications is today and it is a junior post so I doubt 
that many people reading this would be very interested.  If you are I'm 
sure that your advanced google-fu would let you find it pretty quickly ;-)

  -- Jon


From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Tue May  6 02:26:32 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:26:32 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
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You know what would be a good idea:

If you had a website that would parse various job postings on mailing  
lists, then categorize them by location, job type, etc. and post them  
on a craig's list type setting.  Hmmm........

Seriously, I think the job posting list is a great idea, no matter  
what form it takes.  I also think that having formatting guidelines  
for posting jobs is a good idea, so that people that subscribe can set  
up email filters that sort out the junk.

I think ease of setting up rules should be the primary motavation for  
the guidelines.

That would also take out some of the abuse potential, as humans would  
have to reformat the emails they are posting everywhere else for this  
mailing list.

-- Scott

PS: Anyone looking for an MA in economics with some mean centos and  
ubuntu skills?  He He He...

On May 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, John Summerfield wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>>
>>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
>> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
>> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.
>
> It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect  
> they're looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do.  
> Maybe a smallbusiness person who does such things.
>
> It doesn't look like enough work for one.
>
> -- 
>
> Cheers
> John
>
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From me at danieldk.org  Tue May  6 07:44:30 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:44:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
Message-ID: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
packaged.

Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
CentOS Wiki at:

http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories

The qemu package is named (surprise :)) 'qemu', and can be installed
after adding the testing repository:

yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install qemu

Thanks,
Daniel


From mark at foster.cc  Tue May  6 15:12:23 2008
From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:12:23 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48207557.6000501@foster.cc>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
> repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
> future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
> ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
> packaged.
>   

Wonderful!
Hopeful to see kqemu soon, too.
qemu + kqemu is great alternative to vmware* and for those of use who 
don't have vmx-capable hardware. So nice that vdisk created with 
qemu-img should be transportable between qemu & kvm.

-- 
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
Mark D. Foster, CISSP <mark at foster.cc>  http://mark.foster.cc/




From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 15:19:40 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 17:19:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>

there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
-----------------------------------------------------
# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "downloadonly" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
Reading repository metadata in from local files
0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for 
package: kmod-kvm
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed 
by package kmod-kvm
-----------------------------------------------------
you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
                                  ^^^
and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?


Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM
> 
> Akemi
> _______________________________________________
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> CentOS-devel at centos.org
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-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Wed May  7 15:50:46 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:50:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>  Setting up Install Process
>  Setting up repositories
>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>  Parsing package install arguments
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  --> Running transaction check
>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
> kmod-kvm
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
> package kmod-kvm
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>                                  ^^^
>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?

Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.

# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
(snip)
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check

Dependencies Resolved

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
 kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
c5-testing        701 k
 kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M

Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
Install      2 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove       0 Package(s)

-Akemi


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 16:36:58 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:36:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>>  Setting up Install Process
>>  Setting up repositories
>>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>>  Parsing package install arguments
>>  Resolving Dependencies
>>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  --> Running transaction check
>>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
>> kmod-kvm
>>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
>> package kmod-kvm
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>>                                  ^^^
>>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?
> 
> Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
> running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.
> 
> # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
> (snip)
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
> ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
> ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
> --> Running transaction check
> 
> Dependencies Resolved
> 
> =============================================================================
>  Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
> =============================================================================
> Installing:
>  kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
> c5-testing        701 k
>  kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M
> 
> Transaction Summary
> =============================================================================
> Install      2 Package(s)
> Update       0 Package(s)
> Remove       0 Package(s)

after remove the previous version then it's works otherwise not.
unfortunately the bigger problem kvm-66 is not working for us. the 
latest usable version was 62 (so we witch back to 62). our setup:
- host:
   - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
   - Intel S3000AHV
   - 8GB RAM
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-1:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 i386 32bit
- guest-2:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-3:
   - Mandrake-9
   - kernel-2.4.19.16mdk-1-1mdk 32bit
- guest-4:
   - Mandrake-10
   - kernel-2.6.14.2-p4-smp 32bit
- guest-5:
   - Windows XP Professional 32bit
mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are 
  boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Wed May  7 18:23:27 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:23:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805071123y6498134o9a17fb0dde295184@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

Could you give more information? E.g. what kind of error do you get
when the kernel panics?

-- Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Thu May  8 11:49:42 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:49:42 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
Message-ID: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>

Hi!

Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
there be any problems?

Thanks!

Ruomu


From kanarip at kanarip.com  Thu May  8 12:01:03 2008
From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:01:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
> there be any problems?
> 

Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;

No, you can't.

Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
 >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  9 04:59:08 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 12:59:08 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com> <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
Message-ID: <4823DA1C.2000305@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
>> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
>> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
>> there be any problems?
>>
> 
> Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
> compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;
> 
> No, you can't.
> 
> Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
>  >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
> looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

I suspect the code imbeds quite a deal of knowledge about what is being 
installed, too.


-- 

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John

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From jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it  Fri May  9 08:40:56 2008
From: jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it (Marco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:40:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Backuppc 3.1.0
Message-ID: <305947.24643.qm@web27603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
i was looking for a backup system for small mixed
environment (linux and windows) to install on a centos
5.1 server and a tryed to use backuppc 3.1.0 from the
testing repository, mainly becouse I have already
succesfully used it in the past on a fedora server and
because it perfectly matches my requirements.

This is my expirience:

Before starting I carefully read this useful
documents:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2403
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=1299

http://marc.info/?l=centos-devel&m=117145576710647&w=2

The first installation worked fine: I configured the
repository in yum and I succesfully downloaded and
installed backuppc and all the dependecies.

I configured apache to run as backuppc user instead of
apache and the server 
started working.

The server on wich i'm running backuppc is a general
purpose server and it's not dedicated 
to the backup job, so for me is a big issue running
apache as the backuppc user.

Studying the above mentioned documentation I solved
the issue by this way:

1) I downloaded the SRPMS version of backuppc
2) I manually applied the modification suggested by
ScratchMonkey to the spec file (the diff file proposed
on the bug tracker didn't work out of the box becouse
it refers to a previus version of backuppc, but I was
easily able to manually apply the modification).
3) I recompiled the RPM and I succesfully installed
it.
4) I configured apache to work in suexec mode (using
the sample conf file published on the bug tracker).

The server is now working fine and I havan't any
performance issue on the web intrface (but i have very
few clients).

My suggestion is to use the suexec mode which I find
very easy to implement and without collateral effect
on other web application published from the same
apache server.

I hope this will help.

Marco




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From dag at centos.org  Fri May  9 10:37:57 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:37:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
> <rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>>  and recruitment firms.
>
> Hence moderation ;).

Jobs are only useful based on location, that means a particular job in 
Brussels may not appeal to 99% of the subscribers, and therefor the 
signal-to-noise ratio is very poor. (May be different for very short 
contract work items or simple support requests)

I would leave job-offerings to dedicated, specialised sites where people 
can search and put resumes online. But if we have people to volunteer for 
the moderation I do not object with an experiment :)

I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
required. Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:

 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May  9 12:11:58 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:11:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080509121158.GR9139@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
> required. 

It's not going to be that much of a task to moderate a few job postings.

> Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:
>
> 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
> 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

As it does for at least netbsd, as far as I know (one of their
developers is sitting a few desks away and we talked about that a little
bit).

Ralph
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From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 10 01:34:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:34:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805091834u2e9e5ccq4b6af62f0017b805@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> On Monday 25 February 2008, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> ...
>> > Johnny, could you let us know your reasons for wanting to point to the
>> > remote GPG key?
>>
>> We DON'T allow downloads of ISOs from centos.org servers due to
>> bandwidth considerations.  It would be fairly easy to put out an ISO
>> that had different RPMS and a different key.
>>
>> Granted, people CAN check the md5 and sha1 sum of the ISOs if they choose.
>>
>> Since we do control the content of every mirror.centos.org server, we
>> know that the key file is correct.  In order to make that key AND the
>> RPMS be bad, they need a doctored CD *AND* they need to hijack our
>> content by DNS poisoning or getting control of our servers.
>>
>> I just think if you are using the internet anyway, why not also get the
>> key from a known location.
>
> I agree that there's something intuitively right about that, but,
> unfortunately it's wrong :-)
>
> Here's why.
>
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...
>
> It will have to be up to the user to make sure (with our help, signed .isos,
> installers that check rpm signatures and stage2 signature) that he/she has an
> ok system. If they fail then they don't really run centos, they run haxx0r os
> and any attempt to validate anything inside that will fail.
>
> /Peter

This discussion has been dormant for a while...  With 5.2 just around
the corner, isn't it a good idea to wrap this up and reach some sort
of a conclusion?

Akemi


From me at danieldk.org  Sat May 10 14:35:54 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:35:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805100735x687e2fb0n9249b2f47f60226c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...

Or a modified yum or RPM that only appears to do verification. I agree
that we should at the very least suppose that the user verifies the
installation media.

As for DNS poisoning or hacking, that misery can potentially happen to
everyone, and a good manner to guard against this is relying on the
pre-installed key from media that was proven to be correct. So, I
think this should be the default behavior.

Take care,
Daniel


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sat May 10 22:16:12 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:16:12 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
Message-ID: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.

However, even then, there are several file types for which no
thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm

Regards
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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# $Id: 
# Authority: 	h.adams

Summary: 	thunar-thumbnailers
Name: 		thunar-thumbnailers
Version: 	0.3.2
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Graphics
URL: 		http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/ristretto

Source: 	http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/%{name}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.9
BuildRequires: 	ImageMagick-devel >= 6.2.8.0

Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.9
Requires: 	ImageMagick >= 6.2.8.0

%description
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate previews of image and font files and can automatically use available GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
However, even then, there are several file types for which no thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall

%post
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-vfs-update-thumbnailers-cache-1

%postun
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :


%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README
%{_datadir}/mime/packages/%{name}.xml
%{_libexecdir}/*thumbnailer
%{_datadir}/thumbnailers/*.desktop

%changelog
* Sun Apr 11 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.3.2-1
- Initial package.
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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:30:04 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:30:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:46:25 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:25 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
Message-ID: <4826CE81.5010305@centos.org>

Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
>>
>> Description:
>> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
>> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
>> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
>> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
>>
>> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
>> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
>> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats.
>> Download: 
>> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
>>
> 
> Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

To answer my own question by reading the spec file :D ... for centos-5

I am currently building this and if all goes well, will include it in 
CentOS Extras.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 11:17:41 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 06:17:41 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Heiko,

Would you test these and see if they do what you want:

http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 12:11:01 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:11:01 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
Message-ID: <1210507861.6481.2.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Sonntag, den 11.05.2008, 06:17 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
> Heiko,
> 
> Would you test these and see if they do what you want:
> 
> http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/
IMHO they work as expected.
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 15:42:26 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:42:26 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: squeeze
Message-ID: <1210520546.9363.4.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the squeeze-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop
Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze
is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/squeeze-0.2.3-1.src.rpm

Regards,
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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# $Id: 
# Authority: 	h.adams

Summary: 	Squeeze
Name: 		squeeze
Version: 	0.2.3
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Utilities
URL: 		http://squeeze.xfce.org

Source: 	http://squeeze.xfce.org/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	gtk2-devel >= 2.10
BuildRequires: 	libxfce4util-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	libxfcegui4-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	dbus-glib-devel >= 0.34
BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.8

Requires: 	gtk2 >= 2.10
Requires: 	libxfce4util >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	libxfcegui4 >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	dbus-glib >= 0.34
Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.8

%description
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall
%{__rm} %{buildroot}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache
%find_lang %{name}

%post
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%postun
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files -f %{name}.lang
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README TODO
%{_bindir}/%{name}
%{_includedir}/libsqueeze-0.2
%{_libdir}/*
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-archive-plugin/%{name}.tap
%{_datadir}/applications/%{name}.desktop
%{_datadir}/icons/*
%{_datadir}/locale/*
%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libsqueeze/*

%changelog
* Sat Apr 10 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.2.3-1
- Initial package.
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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 10:18:06 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:06 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
Message-ID: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Farkas Levente wrote:
>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 
>> are   boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>   
> 
> Can you post the panic?
> 
> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.

unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang 
at "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Tue May 13 10:48:40 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:48:40 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> >
> > Farkas Levente wrote:
> >
> > > mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Can you post the panic?
> >
> > It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
> >
>
>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.

Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 11:58:32 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:32 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
	<48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48298268.9000700@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>>> Farkas Levente wrote:
>>>
>>>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
>> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>>>
>>> Can you post the panic?
>>>
>>> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
>>>
>>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
>> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.
> 
> Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

at the same time it'd be useful to merge the fedora and centos spec 
files too (in kvm-68 i used a spec file based on fedora's spec).
the two main differences the bootmenu patch, bios, and the separate qemu 
package which is already in testing too.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Tue May 13 21:01:45 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:01:45 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
Message-ID: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
no error messages are shown.
Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2

Can anyone confirm this?
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 06:57:22 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:57:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
> webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
> The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
> no error messages are shown.
> Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2
> 
> Can anyone confirm this?

That's more or less the same for me. Using a Citrix Terminal Server with
web-interface. In the statusbar I get 'Start: applet not initialized.'.

I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(

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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 10:29:38 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:29:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
Message-ID: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Hello,

CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

Any thoughts?

Niels

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Wed May 14 11:12:30 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:12:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore
	with OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <1210763550.2702.0.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Mittwoch, den 14.05.2008, 08:57 +0200 schrieb Niels de Vos:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
> I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(
That sounds funny because the OpenJDK 1.6 JRE is the Sun-HRE :-)
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 14 15:16:37 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:16:37 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>

Niels de Vos wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
> the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
> the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
> only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
> think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

not really no.

There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with 
5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then 
take this issue up if it still needs attention

- KB


From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 15:21:51 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:21:51 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com> <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
Message-ID: <482B038F.6090908@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Niels de Vos wrote:
>> Is there any
>> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?
> 
> not really no.
> 
> There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with
> 5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then
> take this issue up if it still needs attention

Okay, I'll wait and see what comes :)

Thanks

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From rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za  Sat May 17 10:25:27 2008
From: rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za (Rabie Van der Merwe)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:25:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
Message-ID: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>


Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
are making there way into the mirrors.
I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
files:
lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml

I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.

Regards
Rabie van der Merwe
Infrastructure Architect

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From johnny at centos.org  Sat May 17 12:09:13 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:09:13 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
In-Reply-To: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
References: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
Message-ID: <482ECAE9.6030308@centos.org>

Rabie Van der Merwe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
> if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
> are making there way into the mirrors.
> I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
> 'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
> 'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
> am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
> files:
> lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml
> 
> I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.
> 

This is now correct ... should trickle down soon.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 17 13:56:56 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:56:56 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS as a project ?
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910804241203j220814fw84262208d486d34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4810EFEA.8090102@karan.org> <20080425100044.GT19680@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060207x36573bd8s2ec41cf7bf0fb666@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506092127.GA36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060235o18287b2cx4b9cb2020fe5f93e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506093648.GB36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080517135656.GB31684@br-online.de>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> > That was *why* I CCed Gideon, as I didn't want to ask Alain if he wanted
> > to take the lead while your brother "officially" had that before.
> 
> I finally got a hold of him wrt this subject, and he is ok with
> passing on the hat. It suits him more to toss in artwork when he has
> time, but his schedule does not allow him to actively lead this.

Lucky you. So Alain - do you want to take the lead in the Artwork SIG?
We then could do an announcement on centos-devel/user, create a project
on projects.centos.org and maybe create a mailing list for that.

http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Artwork - there already is a
page on the wiki for that. Do you want something added to that before
the announcement (except exchange Gideon and you)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 11:54:10 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:54:10 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
random order) :

- Update the content of the slides (and translate them)

I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
the slides updated. So speak up :-)

- Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

- Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)

When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
changing desktops.

So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 12:23:10 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:10 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836B72E.1040901@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

Considering no one else can, this one is mine.

- KB


From orkcu at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 12:26:08 2008
From: orkcu at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roger_Pe=F1a?=)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <761494.58651.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Fri, 5/23/08, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
> To: "The CentOS developers mailing list." <centos-devel at centos.org>
> Received: Friday, May 23, 2008, 7:54 AM
> Hi,
> 
> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release
> of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These
> are (in
> random order) :
> 
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have
> changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we
> would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

there is a list for this kind of things (translations), so just use it :-)
centos-es is ready for that ;-)

cu
roger


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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 12:26:17 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:26:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

> So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
> to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
{0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
a few weeks ago.

A grep over my complete file system is running now, to see where this
string is mentioned.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:13:54 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:13:54 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into 
anaconda this time.

> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
> a few weeks ago.

ok, I can do that now.

- KB


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 13:21:22 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
Message-ID: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>
> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
> anaconda this time.

I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
can be gotten a hold of ...

>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>> a few weeks ago.
>
> ok, I can do that now.

As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
package. 

If I understand it correctly, then
/usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
ntp servers.

If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
/usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
more than upstream does, as that only contains 

server 0.pool.ntp.org 

lines.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:23:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:23:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
Message-ID: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>

ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2

Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog 
and mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the 
packages into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.

this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be 
enough ?

- KB


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:43:02 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2
>
> Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog and
> mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the packages
> into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.
>
> this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be enough
> ?

My feeling is that 6 days is going to be to short especially when some
of us are going to be at Linuxtag between the 28th and the 31th.

10 days sounds like a more reasonable estimate to me. But it will also
depend on how much issues we find. It can go faster but it can also go
slower.

Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 14:36:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

- KB


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 14:53:54 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org> <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
>> anaconda this time.
> 
> I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
> changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
> can be gotten a hold of ...
> 
>>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>>> a few weeks ago.
>> ok, I can do that now.
> 
> As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
> package. 
> 
> If I understand it correctly, then
> /usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
> startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
> ntp servers.
> 
> If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
> /usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
> more than upstream does, as that only contains 
> 
> server 0.pool.ntp.org 

My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It 
seems weird to me that it isn't.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 14:59:33 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:59:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>

John Summerfield wrote:
> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
> seems weird to me that it isn't.

Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
ntpd.

Ralph
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From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:17:58 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:17:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:
>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
>> seems weird to me that it isn't.
> 
> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
> ntpd.
> 

I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
with a different setting.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell at gmail.com


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:19 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

As this has slept in a bit and I'm still not too sure if it really is a
good idea (but I'm leaning towards it), I try to rephrase (should,
should not, must, must not as in RFC 2119):

- Jobs must have to do with CentOS
- List must be moderated
- Job offers must not just include links to other sites (meaning: Job
  offers must include full details)
- Foreign language mails are okay, as long as an english explanation is
  also in that mail
- Job offers should include Country and if applicable City in the
  subject
- There will be no discussion on that list
- There will be no Reply-To: for discussions on other lists
- List Reply-To: will be set to sender (so that you can answer directly)

Anything I missed?

Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:54 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de> <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523152054.GO6029@br-online.de>

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for  
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or  
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override  
> with a different setting.

I wasn't talking about any functionality changes here.

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:25:13 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:25:13 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230825x3415436ek9142a916a1b9e895@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
...snip...
>
> Anything I missed?

I don't hink so.

> Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Yep, just give it a go and see what happens.

> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

I don't think it will be a high volume list but I'm willing to help if
it is to much work.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 15:33:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:33:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
	<4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. 
>>> It  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>
>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>> ntpd.
>>
> 
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
> with a different setting.
> 
Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a 
goose of myself again.

I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, 
but I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by 
my dhcp server. Even on C4.

I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the 
DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what 
I had in mind.

-- 

Cheers
John

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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

You cannot reply off-list:-)


From me at danieldk.org  Fri May 23 16:40:52 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:40:52 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805230940l7ca392demdb4b856a9abda4b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Correct.

Take care,
Daniel


From smooge at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:00:02 2008
From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:00:02 -0600
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de> <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
	<4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <80d7e4090805231000i502c297cwa9203f1344256cd4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM, John Summerfield
<debian at herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>>
>>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It
>>>>  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>>
>>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>>> ntpd.
>>>
>>
>> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for
>> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or less
>> like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override with a
>> different setting.
>>
> Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a goose
> of myself again.
>

It shouldn't be ignored out of the box.. my system got an updated ntp
but I am not sure if I changed it later. I will have to do a reinstall
to make sure... but it looks like its not ignoring.

> I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, but
> I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by my dhcp
> server. Even on C4.
>

Thats weird. I need to check my boxes again.

> I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the
> DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what I
> had in mind.
>

Thats a bit more of a change.. I think it would need to be an upstream
change first.


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:36:20 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:20 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
<tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>
> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
> changing desktops.

Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
image is:

http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug

Akemi


From centos-devel at centos.org  Fri May 23 18:24:41 2008
From: centos-devel at centos.org (VIAGRA ® Official Site)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
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From unfies at gmail.com  Fri May 23 18:30:55 2008
From: unfies at gmail.com (Will Langford)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:55 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
Message-ID: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...

j/k :)

-Will


From dag at centos.org  Sat May 24 08:43:00 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:43:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Tim Verhoeven wrote:

> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
> random order) :
>
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
>
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
  - Explain where to get documentation
  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
  - ...

Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could 
improve ?


> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)
>
> By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
> currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
> connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

When doing this on CentOS 5.1 in a kickstart file (repo directive) it 
would fail because of the wrong package order. One of the first things 
that needs to be installed is glibc (because of ldconfig) and coreutils 
but it didn't go first and 100% packages simply failed to install.

I didn't debug this, maybe the updates repo needed some special tweaking ?


-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 24 10:13:08 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:13:08 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

Maybe a tad late now? Especially if we think about translations.

>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>  - Explain where to get documentation
>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>  - ...

There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
things above.

> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
> improve ?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Sat May 24 10:30:14 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:30:14 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
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Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>
>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>> changing desktops.
> 
> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
> image is:
> 
> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug


Thanks,

I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 24 13:19:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:19:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805240619v1505fd11s54007051c63951e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
>> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>>
>>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>>> changing desktops.
>>
>> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
>> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
>> image is:
>>
>> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug
>
> Thanks,
>
> I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq

Surely.  Thanks.

Akemi


From mouss at netoyen.net  Sat May 24 19:30:47 2008
From: mouss at netoyen.net (mouss)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:30:47 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
	<2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48386CE7.5020307@netoyen.net>

Will Langford wrote:
> I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...
>
>   

I didn't know that <centos-devel at centos.org> was a member of this list...

Is there any reason to accept such junk (From: containing 
centos-devel at centos.org. or even *@centos.org if the submitter isn't in 
this domain)?


From postoffice at mailhub.owlriver.net  Sun May 25 11:41:03 2008
From: postoffice at mailhub.owlriver.net (postoffice at mailhub.owlriver.net)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 07:41:03 -0400
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The original message was received at 2008-05-25 07:37:43 -0400
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From hoschi at mouhaha.de  Sun May 25 22:44:04 2008
From: hoschi at mouhaha.de (Oliver Peter)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:44:04 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
Message-ID: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>

Hi,

I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.

If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
not hesitate to contact me.

Bye

O.

-- 
Oliver PETER, email: hoschi at mouhaha.de, ICQ# 113969174
"Worker bees can leave.  Even drones can fly away.
                         The Queen is their slave."
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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 06:46:40 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:46:40 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>   
>>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>>  - Explain where to get documentation
>>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>>  - ...
>>     
>
> There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
> things above.
>   

The are currently 9 images in the anaconda rnotes directory for each
language, 01 -- 09.
Can we have e.g. 10-centos-release-cycle, 11-centos-extra etc. or something?

Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Ruomu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 08:41:40 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:41:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Exactly.

Ralph
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Mon May 26 09:18:36 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:18:36 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A806C.508@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
>> improve ?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

I don't have any editing rights there, don't need them either if this
mail is read ;)

My advice for the 05-centos5-centosplus.png would be to change the URL
to <http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories>. The wiki is very helpful and
this link is much easier to remember. On the wiki-page CentOSPlus is the
first repository mentioned, so this even fits to the contents of the slide.

Cheers,
Niels

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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 09:34:35 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:34:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
	<483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com> <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>   
>> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
>> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
>>     

I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Romu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 09:59:38 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:59:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
	<20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de> <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526095938.GY6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Ruomu Hu wrote:
> >   
> >> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> >> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
> >>     
> 
> I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
> there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Good.

Please wait for a call for translation for the Release Notes of CentOS
5.2 (which should go out today to this list).

There is no real chance to do new slides for 5.2, but I put that on my
ToDo list for 5.3. But: It would be great if you could translate our
Release Notes which live on http://wiki.centos.org/ (more details
follow).

What you can do now is register yourself a wiki account there
(FirstnameLastname, please) and tell me when you did so.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:39:00 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:39:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Volunteering for CentOS
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

   I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
  and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could help
with. I could help with testing and recompiling
  the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work you
need help with thats within my abilities, I
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:44:46 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:44:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>

Hello
>
>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me


Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
to help you

Best wishes,
                  Jordan

-- 
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From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:30:01 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:00:01 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155494980805270130q23098ca3s3b46c79871029dd9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
        I am glad to join with you CentOS devs and testers. I am ready to
spend my hours for centos testing. I am sure i may help you a little. I will
be glad to hlep you like Jordan Evans. :)

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best to help you
>
> Best wishes,
>                   Jordan
>
>
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:32:19 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:32:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
> to help you

Hi Jordan,

Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
(http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
projects) and a ToDo section.

I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
what you think.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 09:02:04 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:02:04 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
In-Reply-To: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
References: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270202x106dd106p26679531260b9442@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Oliver Peter <hoschi at mouhaha.de> wrote:
>
> I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
> release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.
>
> If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
> not hesitate to contact me.

Hi Oliver,

Thank you for your interest in helping. We are a bit to far in the QA
process at the moment to include you at the moment. But keep an eye
this mailinglist for future announcements and requests for testers. If
you like you can check out the CentOS wiki (http://wiki.centos.org)
and have a look at the different projects and the ToDo list. Maybe you
can find some you are interested in there and can help out that way.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Tue May 27 22:58:11 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:58:11 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> >> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
> >>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> >> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
> >>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> >> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> >> --
> >> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
> >
> > Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best
> > to help you
>
> Hi Jordan,
>
> Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
> following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
> CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
> (http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
> projects) and a ToDo section.
>
> I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
> what you think.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83
>
> Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
> "microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
> (Linus Torvalds)
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi Tim,

    I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
on it.

                                               Best wishes,
                                                                Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 07:58:17 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:58:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280058v43c143bfp15579e55b6adaf5f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
> that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
> on it.
>

Very nice that you find some projects you like. Normally the people
responsable for those projects will respond to your mail. If not mail
again to centos-devel and say explicitly that you would like to help
on a certain project. Also, some people are busy so it may take a
couple of days for them to respond.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 08:55:31 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:55:31 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
Message-ID: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>

Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
 a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
to organise it on a ongoing basis.

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:09:13 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:13 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Karan,
                  I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
wrote:

> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>
> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>



-- 
Regards,
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From aim.prabhat at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:50:34 2008
From: aim.prabhat at gmail.com (prabhat kumar)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 04:50:34 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebca8da00805280450j6c45f01bv77ea43821e4558e3@mail.gmail.com>

I also want to contribute something, since I am using CentOS from past 2
year.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:09 AM, KarthiKeyan <karthixinbox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Karan,
>                   I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
> procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
>> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
>> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
>> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
>> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>>
>> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
>> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>>
>> --
>> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
>> _______________________________________________
>> CentOS-devel mailing list
>> CentOS-devel at centos.org
>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Karthi Keyan
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


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From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 14:11:19 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:11:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jordan,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;).

I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
head, the most urgent things:

- Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
- Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
which is slow ;).
- Add RSS feeds.
- Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
latest).

The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
get peer-review).

Take care,
Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:04:23 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:04:23 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Hi,

I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
current pacakges in the testing repo.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 15:42:17 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:42:17 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.

I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.

Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
Fail would be good.

> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
> current pacakges in the testing repo.

I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

- KB


From woboyle at ieee.org  Wed May 28 16:26:52 2008
From: woboyle at ieee.org (William Boyle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
Message-ID: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>

I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

William Boyle
Application Frameworks and Systems, Inc.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 17:17:54 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:54 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281017r997b192s69e7ec208dc292c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:

> Hi Jordan,
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> > that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my
> python
> > ;).
>
> I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
> thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
> Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
> There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
> head, the most urgent things:
>
> - Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
> - Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
> record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
> which is slow ;).
> - Add RSS feeds.
> - Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
> parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
> we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
> latest).
>
> The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
> work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
> tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
> get peer-review).
>
> Take care,
> Daniel
>  _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi

After I brush up on my python and learn the Django web framework, I would
like to try to get a demo working and get the changelog thing sorted out,
but that won't be for a couple days.

       Cheers
                 Jordan
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:00:36 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:00:36 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>

Developers,

Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz

Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png

Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
Could someone help on that ?

Thanks,
al.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:13:48 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:43:48 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281113h493cc11dlabf39b7658f99e1a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado <
alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:

> Developers,
>
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think
> ?
>
> LoginScreen:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
>
> Wallpaper:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
>
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
>
> Thanks,
> al.
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi,

    The wallpaper looks really nice, it looks pretty modern and it doesn't
distract
    away from anything

Good job,

              Jordan

-- 
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From hrbac.conf at seznam.cz  Wed May 28 18:56:15 2008
From: hrbac.conf at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgSHJiw6HEjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:56:15 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>

Alain Reguera Delgado napsal(a):
> Developers,
> 
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
> 
> Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
> 
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> al.

Alain,
it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version. Anyway, the wall 
paper looks pretty fine.
Regards,
David Hrb??


From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 19:22:34 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:34 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:
...
> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.

Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.

What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Thanks,
al.

From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 19:47:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alain,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
<alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
of an order) is a bit distracting.

Take care,
Daniel


From lystor at lystor.org.ua  Wed May 28 21:47:19 2008
From: lystor at lystor.org.ua (Nikolay Ulyanitsky)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:47:19 +0300
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212011239.4856.0.camel@lystor.users.home.lystor.org.ua>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:22 -0400, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Width / height = 16 / 10


-- 
Nikolay Ulyanitsky <lystor at lystor.org.ua>



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:22:29 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:29 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDB25.7020108@uoregon.edu>


Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:.
>> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.
> 
> Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
> various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.
> 
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

I think he means for widescreen displays, which are getting more and more 
popular. Common resolutions are 1280x800, 1440x900, 1920x1200. You can 
probably google for a better list, but those are the big three I think.

-Brandon


From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:25:00 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:25:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> of an order) is a bit distracting.

Someone's a little OCD :)

I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png

-Brandon


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Thu May 29 00:15:15 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:15:15 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483DF593.2080303@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.
> 
> I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
> details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
> responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
> or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
> people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
> they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
> expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.
> 
> Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
> details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
> to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
> be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
> they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
> Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
> Fail would be good.
> 
>> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
>> current pacakges in the testing repo.
> 
> I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
> there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
> the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

If those packages are travelling together, then they should stay 
together. However, if new cft appears without its companions, and gets 
no testing, it's hard to justify its promotion.

And this is just testing, deleting it here doesn't mean it vanishes from 
the target repo.
> 
> The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

Always, it's communication.

I think email should _always_ go out, even if the builder doesn't intend 
it to be promoted. If there's a point to putting it into the repo, it's 
to share it, and if you want people to use it you have to tell them.

The email must contain a summary of what's changed, and a summary of 
what the package does. If I don't use it now, tell me why I might want to!

A lot of package descriptions are next to incomprehensible. Take this, 
from F9:
FAAD 2 is a LC, MAIN and LTP profile, MPEG2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder, 
completely
written from scratch.

This package contains libfaad.


Better, something like "FAAD 2" decodes various (generic description of 
just what MAIN, LTP etc are), including (name them) and is used for/by ....

If they're used by Amorok and I know I use that, then I know maybe I 
should be interested in this.

The email might link to a wiki, but don't expect users to use the wiki 
to decide whether it's something they should test.

I presume that these announcements would amount to quite a bit of email, 
maybe enough to seriously change the nature of this list should they 
come here.

You might consider a new list, maybe "updates-announcements" where these 
announcements go, and that responses be directed to this list. This list 
might help where/if there are different packagers on different 
platforms: Joe builds on IA32, Fred sees he needs to build on zSeries 
and Freda on Power.

Seed it with members of this list, it's little different from just 
sending mail here, and gives users of this list the ability to opt out. 
This would ensure there's a decent number of eyeballs seeing its 
contents from day one.

The list description for the new list would recommend also subscribing 
to this list, but I don't think everyone will want to.

The description of this list should be updated to recommend new 
subscribers also subscribe to updates-announcements so as to keep 
abreast of threatened changes. Again, not everyone will want to.

If there's a formal test procedure for a particular package, then this 
should be described in its wiki document. I imagine some packages - gcc, 
postgresql for example - might have established test cases to run, and 
others might be added as new bugs are reported and resolved.




-- 

Cheers
John

-- spambait
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-- Advice
http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

You cannot reply off-list:-)


From subsolar at subsolar.com  Thu May 29 00:23:04 2008
From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
Message-ID: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:25 -0700, Brandon Davidson wrote:
> Daniel de Kok wrote:
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> > <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> > 
> > Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> > of an order) is a bit distracting.
> 
> Someone's a little OCD :)
> 
> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> -Brandon

Like that one much more personally.

Paul



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Thu May 29 00:32:25 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
	<1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
Message-ID: <483DF999.1060504@uoregon.edu>

Paul wrote:
>> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
>> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> Like that one much more personally.


I too favor the 'streams and lines' ones (either horizontal or vertical) over 
the others. They remind me of a stream of bubbles in water... odd, box-shaped 
bubbles :) The one with the tiled logo is particularly busy and would, I 
think, get on my nerves.

-Brandon


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Thu May 29 07:42:34 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:34 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
In-Reply-To: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805290042p2434dae2sfcd3aac63cb60c88@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM, William Boyle <woboyle at ieee.org> wrote:
> I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
> and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
> boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
> necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

Hi William,

We currently have enough testers for the 5.2 release. But I'll keep
your name in the back of my head if we need more help. We appriciate
that you are willing to volunteer. If you would like it, there are
some other things for which we could use more people. So if you are
interrested in let us know.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Thu May 29 09:19:49 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:19:49 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483E7535.2080008@karan.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.


I tried to implement some of the stuff I wrote in my previous email -
implement on the wiki that is, and its too much work getting all the
stuff together. And its 'too much' enough, to make it something that
most people wont bother with, it raises the barrier too far.

Perhaps a php or python+django or Rails hosted app that can manage this
for us would be good. Anyone fancy a shot ?

I can work with Tim and get some sort of a specification up...

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Thu May 29 19:49:56 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:49:56 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
Message-ID: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello all..

I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/

But where can I find the source?

Thanks...Paul...




From jeff at osuosl.org  Fri May 30 00:08:04 2008
From: jeff at osuosl.org (Jeff Sheltren)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:08:04 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>

On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:

> Hello all..
>
> I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
>
> But where can I find the source?
>
> Thanks...Paul...

I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec

Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...

-Jeff


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Fri May 30 03:11:58 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:11:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <1212117118.3635.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks..  I was already building using the version from dev.centos.org
(buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm), so I didn't want to
deviate too much.

At any rate, I've discovered that the latest buildsys-build spec
"template" is available in the git repo for mock.  Strange that I don't
see it in the latest mock .tar.gz release though.

I queried the CentOS version (rpm -qp --requires
buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm 2>/dev/null | sort) and
discovered the diff between it and the latest from git:  CentOS requires
'python' where the latest version from the mock git repo does not.  The
git version requires 'buildsys-macros' where the CentOS version does
not.

Looking at /etc/mock/epel-5-i386.cfg on my Fedora 9 install, I found
that 'buildsys-macros' RPM and SRPM could be found here:
http://buildsys.fedoraproject.org/buildgroups/rhel5/i386/

Now I know what I'm dealing with, but this would have been a whole lot
easier to figure out if the CentOS SRPM had been available..  :(

Cheers...Paul...

-------

P.S....

Browse the mock git repo here to find buildsys-build.spec.template:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser

Browse previous .spec versions (before buildsys-build.spec was renamed
to buildsys-build.spec.template):
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/log/buildsys-build.spec?rev=1c14b3c9b6fcbad867afbb7cc09ec5d91cf9e642

Looks like this version (0.5-4) is closest to the centos rpm version
wise:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser/buildsys-build.spec?rev=04580c1234b74957e25d490993e74095ae218d5d



On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:08 -0700, Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> Sender: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> Errors-To: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> X-Spam: exempt
> X-MAIL-FROM: <centos-devel-bounces at centos.org>
> X-SOURCE-IP: [72.21.40.12]
> 
> On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > Hello all..
> >
> > I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> > http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
> >
> > But where can I find the source?
> >
> > Thanks...Paul...
> 
> I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
> http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec
> 
> Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...
> 
> -Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:12:45 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:45 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-52.EL
Message-ID: <483F7EBD.20509@ict.swin.edu.au>

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be 
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be 
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:41:53 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:41:53 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <483F8591.8030606@ict.swin.edu.au>

(I am sending this message again with the correct subject).

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin


From tru at centos.org  Fri May 30 10:20:02 2008
From: tru at centos.org (Tru Huynh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:20:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <20080530102002.GC13736@sillage.bis.pasteur.fr>

Thanks to John Newbigin the new GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are
now available.

http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

i386:
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm

Best regards,

Tru
-- 
Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance)
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBEFA581B
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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 30 11:53:46 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:53:46 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
> 
> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From ned at unixmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 12:31:48 2008
From: ned at unixmail.co.uk (Ned Slider)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:31:48 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <483FF3B4.9070004@unixmail.co.uk>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 
> 
> 

You could check the developers blogs at:

http://planet.centos.org/

Specifically Tim's posting from May 23, 2008.



From csieh at fnal.gov  Fri May 30 16:15:37 2008
From: csieh at fnal.gov (Connie Sieh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org> <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>

On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>> 
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>

There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/

There should be x86_64 version available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64

soon.

-Connie Sieh
>
>
>


From rayvd at bludgeon.org  Fri May 30 16:30:47 2008
From: rayvd at bludgeon.org (Ray Van Dolson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:30:47 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
Message-ID: <20080530163046.GA16730@bludgeon.org>

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:15:37AM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:
>
>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>>
>>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>>
>> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
>> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
>> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>>
>
> There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/
>
> There should be x86_64 version available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64
>
> soon.
>
> -Connie Sieh

To the parent poster.. if you're just wanting to test for better
graphics support, why not use an eval copy of RHEL 5.2 vs an Alpha of
SL?

(If you're needing to test *now* vs in a week or two)

Ray


From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 30 18:10:02 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:10:02 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <484042FA.6030403@gmail.com>

John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 

Can you be more specific as to what you consider "adequate support for 
graphics"?

-- 
   Les Mikesell
     lesmikesell at gmail.com



From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Sat May 31 14:39:21 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:39:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS Forums again
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805310739n79ea479y760eecf6159929bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Having some time to do stuff for CentOS here at LinuxTag I've also
being building FreeIPA packages for CentOS. The idea that this will be
core part of a central authentication system. Meaning that you will
only need 1 account that you can use to login into the website, forum,
wiki, bugtracker, systems, ...

IMHO the most important system that needs to be attached to the
central auth database are the forums. There are a lot of users there
(and a lot of content). So I was thinking, why not fix 2 things at the
same time. Migrate from the old forum to the new forum that is linked
to the central auth system. And then later on couple the other
existing apps to it.

My feeling is that the most productive way to get forward with the
website/forum update is to split the forum from the website. In my
experience the forum present in CMS tools aren't made for the amount
of traffic we are having. So something dedicated sound like a better
option. So I have been looking around for open source forum software
that link to ldap without to much effort. I've looked at 3 projects
(Phorum, phpBB and SMF). They all 3 are good looking, well featured
and maintained. Though, only phpBB has a decent built-in LDAP
integration (FreeIPA is built on top of LDAP).

So my proposal is to setup a FreeIPA instance, link it with phpBB and
try to migrate a part of the current forums and see how all that
works. And if it looks good migrate to that.

So what do people think, did I miss stuff, other suggestions, ...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  2 04:55:33 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:55:33 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] xorg 7.2 on CentOS5
In-Reply-To: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <481A9EC5.4090607@herakles.homelinux.org>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Has anyone built xorg 7.2 for C5, or have handy hints on how it might be 
> done?
> 

"Too much trouble," I decided. Had to pull in too many dependencies, and 
by the time PolicyKit and ConsoleKit got included, it wasn't much like 
RHEL5-clone any more.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Fri May  2 17:19:21 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:19:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM

are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be 
found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Fri May  2 22:10:03 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:10:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.

I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
5.2 is released anyway.

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Sat May  3 11:19:59 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:19:59 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
>> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.
> 
> I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
> there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
> libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
> whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
> 5.2 is released anyway.

afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one 
version behind the current libvirt is far away.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 10:16:05 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:16:05 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
	<481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050316s6c3ace87rfb719a47acdecfe3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farkas,

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one
> version behind the current libvirt is far away.

Let's wait until 5.2 is out. When it is, could you create a list of
features (if any) that we absolutely need, and that are not in libvirt
included in 5.2? If there is a strong case for it (e.g. absence of
proper KVM support), we could look into providing it in CentOS-plus.

Take care,
Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May  5 12:47:54 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 20:47:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
Message-ID: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>

Hi,

I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
I need a respin dist (all updates included).

I wrote a script to generate my CentOS5-respin. My CentOS5 tree is at
/centos/5, it is rsynced with a Taiwan mirror daily. My generated
CentOS5 tree is placed at /centos/5-respin.

The generation of CentOS5-respin by my script runs fine, but the
generated CentOS5-respin tree has a problem: During network installation
using this CentOS5-respin tree, when it gets rpm installation, it always
complains "The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm cannot
be opened.". In the text console, the error message is "Failed to get
http://myserver/centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm".
Anaconda should look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/CentOS, but
it actually looks for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64.

Any ideas?
It would be nice if anyone could point me to some useful docs.

Thanks!
Ruomu

P.S. Here's my script:

#!/bin/bash
#
# gen_respin_distro
#
# To use this script, the following rpms need to installed first:
# anaconda
# anaconda-help
# anaconda-runtime
# busybox-anaconda ?
# bogl
# booty
# netpbm
# netpbm-progs
# mkisofs

#TODO
# 1. Should we use pkgorder? If yes, when?
# 2. Do we need to run pkgorder before buildinstall?
# 3. Do we need to run createrepo? Buildinstall seems to calls it.
# 4. Why does it look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64?


# Check tools
rpmmerge=`dirname "$0"`/rpmmerge
if [ ! -x "$rpmmerge" ]; then
echo "$rpmmerge does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
createrepo="/usr/bin/createrepo"
if [ ! -x "$createrepo" ]; then
echo "$createrepo does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
buildinstall="/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/buildinstall"
if [ ! -x "$buildinstall" ]; then
echo "$buildinstall does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi

# Set variables and functions
src="/centos/5"
dest="/centos/5-respin"
distro="CentOS"
arch="x86_64"
version="5"
product="CentOS"
release="Respin"
prodpath="CentOS"
eval_retval()
{
test $? -ne 0 && exit 1
}

# Merge rpms
echo -e "*** Merge rpms ***\n"
$rpmmerge $src/os/$arch/$distro $src/updates/$arch/RPMS
$dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval

# Create repo data
echo -e "\n*** Create repo data ***\n"
#cp -al $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml $dest/os/$arch/$distro
#eval_retval
$createrepo -q -g $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml -c $dest/os/$arch/cache \
-o $dest/os/$arch $dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval
#rm -f $dest/os/$arch/$distro/comps.xml
#eval_retval

# Run buildinstall
export PYTHONPATH="/usr/lib/anaconda"
echo -e "\n*** Buildinstall ***\n"
sudo $buildinstall \
--pkgorder "$dest/os/$arch/pkgorder.txt" \
--version $version \
--product $product \
--release $release \
--prodpath $prodpath \
$dest/os/$arch
eval_retval

exit 0


From mattdm at mattdm.org  Mon May  5 13:56:53 2008
From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:53 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
> I need a respin dist (all updates included).

Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
packages already installed.

-- 
Matthew Miller           mattdm at mattdm.org          <http://mattdm.org/>
Boston University Linux      ------>              <http://linux.bu.edu/>


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:23:46 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:23:46 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
Message-ID: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>

Developers, developers, developers ...

We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
<http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
editorial staff.

(Note: We can still discuss about that)

What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:

- Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
- should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
  one person)
- Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
  weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
  schemes. 
- Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
  about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
  way for quick and lasting flame fests)

And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
that list (or at least help with that)?

Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
offerings.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:26:07 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:07 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? 
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From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Mon May  5 15:57:46 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:57:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>

I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).

Example:

* The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
* Specific skills needed should appear on the email.

That's just my twenty cents.

- Scott

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...
>
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
>
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
>
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
>
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
>
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
>
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
>
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>   



From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 15:52:33 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...

I love this project!

>  - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)

People who want to apply for a job should know how to handle Google
:). Additionally, I think it normally only useful to skim through the
job offers of the last one or two months.

>  - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)

Yes.

>  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes.

I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

>  - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)

No, it does not serve a purpose. If someone want to follow up on an
offer, they can do so via private mail.

>  And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
>  vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
>  Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
>  that list (or at least help with that)?

Other projects have comparable lists, and they are great. Sometimes
the offers are too general, so, I am all in for moderation. I'd like
to help moderating.

-- Daniel


From amyagi at gmail.com  Mon May  5 16:06:56 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:06:56 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
>  >  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>  >   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>  >   schemes.
>
>  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
and accepted or would it be rejected?

http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

Akemi


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:16 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:16 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
> and accepted or would it be rejected?
> 
> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:41 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:41 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>

Scott Grizzard wrote:
> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> 
> Example:
> 
> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.

What about the country? =:D

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:21:31 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:21:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050921k5ac8ac62i73de77e7c3fcc3ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Akemi Yagi <amyagi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
>  >  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  >  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.
>
>  As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>  CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>  and accepted or would it be rejected?
>  http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

I would reject it:

- It does note state where CentOS is involved.
- It is not clear whether the company wants to hire a person full
time, or wants to make use of consulting services.
- What prior experience is required? What qualifications?
(- How about salary/benefits?)

I think this is a good example what a job offer could look like:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-jobs/2006/07/21/0000.html

-- Daniel


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:32:00 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:32:00 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Scott Grizzard wrote:
> > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
> 
> What about the country? =:D

Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:41:06 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:41:06 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>  > Scott Grizzard wrote:
>  > > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>  > > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>  > >
>  > > Example:
>  > >
>  > > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>  >
>  > What about the country? =:D
>
>  Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
>  allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
>  at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Yes. If an offer is purely in a foreign language, it's probably better
off on one of the non-English lists after an acknowledgement of the
list moderator. I have only once received such request for the Dutch
list.

-- Daniel
-- Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:43:31 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:43:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805051143n51ebcc35pa928ed915da7d981@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've got no real comments based on what was already said. I just want
to say it is a good idea.

What maybe is a option is to post the rules and some sort of template
on the wiki and refer to that when people want to post something.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Mon May  5 21:59:16 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:59:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>

On Mon, 5 May 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Scott Grizzard wrote:
>>> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>>> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>>
>> What about the country? =:D
>
> Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
> allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
> at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

I took that to ask if the country/location as well as the city should be 
required in the subject rather than what language the text might happen to 
be in.

For example a job offer in the city of 'Cambridge' might be in one of 
several places... :-)

Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.

  -- Jon

[ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]


From rwalker at medallion.com  Mon May  5 22:01:57 2008
From: rwalker at medallion.com (Ross S. W. Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:01:57 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> 
> Developers, developers, developers ...
> 
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
> 
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
> 
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
> 
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
> 
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
> 
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
> 
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.

A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
and recruitment firms.

Just my .02 

-Ross

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From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 22:13:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:13:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
<rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>  and recruitment firms.

Hence moderation ;).

-- Daniel


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:21:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:21:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <481F966A.2070204@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jon Peatfield wrote:

> Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
> should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
> their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
> accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.
> 
>  -- Jon
> 
> [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]

HEP?


It's not obvious to me that, should I be looking for someone to work on 
my CentOS project that I should restrict myself to people who are 
already involved in CentOS. Generally, I would think, people experienced 
in RHEL or SL would serve as well, and those familiar with other distros 
(Debian, SUSE) might bring fresh ideas.

I like the Shuttles technique - go on a holiday. Take archives of 
mailing lists. Evaluate peoples' skills, attitudes (eg how they deal 
with others)and ethics. Then, issue invitations.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:25:35 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:25:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>
>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
> 
> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect they're 
looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do. Maybe a 
smallbusiness person who does such things.

It doesn't look like enough work for one.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:32:00 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:32:00 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com> <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <481F98F0.3030101@herakles.homelinux.org>

Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
>> I need a respin dist (all updates included).
> 
> Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
> updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
> packages already installed.
> 
I'm with Matthew. If you do it on the road a lot, pack a laptop with the 
repos you want, dhcpd, tftp (run BIND too) installed and ready to start, 
a small switch and a few wires.And, maybe, a DVD and boot cd, just in case.

You can reconfigure as needed in %post and on first boot.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Tue May  6 00:48:49 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:48:49 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <20080506004849.GD25909@br-online.de>

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
> and recruitment firms.

So you want to apply for that database job which requires no oracle
knowledge but if you can bring in some cli experience (can you spell
${VARIABLE}?) we'd like to talk to you.
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From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Tue May  6 01:01:36 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:01:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F966A.2070204@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
	<481F966A.2070204@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805060151490.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

<snip>
>>  [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]
>
> HEP?

HEP == High Energy Physics (almost universally I thought).

It is just a job supporting computing in that group here (well ~50% of the 
time) so the actual meaning isn't very important.

The deadline for applications is today and it is a junior post so I doubt 
that many people reading this would be very interested.  If you are I'm 
sure that your advanced google-fu would let you find it pretty quickly ;-)

  -- Jon


From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Tue May  6 02:26:32 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:26:32 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
	<481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <CDD33788-469F-4C7B-87F0-E3C314331FA9@scottgrizzard.com>

You know what would be a good idea:

If you had a website that would parse various job postings on mailing  
lists, then categorize them by location, job type, etc. and post them  
on a craig's list type setting.  Hmmm........

Seriously, I think the job posting list is a great idea, no matter  
what form it takes.  I also think that having formatting guidelines  
for posting jobs is a good idea, so that people that subscribe can set  
up email filters that sort out the junk.

I think ease of setting up rules should be the primary motavation for  
the guidelines.

That would also take out some of the abuse potential, as humans would  
have to reformat the emails they are posting everywhere else for this  
mailing list.

-- Scott

PS: Anyone looking for an MA in economics with some mean centos and  
ubuntu skills?  He He He...

On May 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, John Summerfield wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>>
>>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
>> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
>> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.
>
> It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect  
> they're looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do.  
> Maybe a smallbusiness person who does such things.
>
> It doesn't look like enough work for one.
>
> -- 
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> -- spambait
> 1aaaaaaa at coco.merseine.nu  Z1aaaaaaa at coco.merseine.nu
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>
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From me at danieldk.org  Tue May  6 07:44:30 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:44:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
Message-ID: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
packaged.

Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
CentOS Wiki at:

http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories

The qemu package is named (surprise :)) 'qemu', and can be installed
after adding the testing repository:

yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install qemu

Thanks,
Daniel


From mark at foster.cc  Tue May  6 15:12:23 2008
From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:12:23 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48207557.6000501@foster.cc>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
> repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
> future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
> ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
> packaged.
>   

Wonderful!
Hopeful to see kqemu soon, too.
qemu + kqemu is great alternative to vmware* and for those of use who 
don't have vmx-capable hardware. So nice that vdisk created with 
qemu-img should be transportable between qemu & kvm.

-- 
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
Mark D. Foster, CISSP <mark at foster.cc>  http://mark.foster.cc/




From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 15:19:40 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 17:19:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>

there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
-----------------------------------------------------
# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "downloadonly" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
Reading repository metadata in from local files
0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for 
package: kmod-kvm
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed 
by package kmod-kvm
-----------------------------------------------------
you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
                                  ^^^
and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?


Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM
> 
> Akemi
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Wed May  7 15:50:46 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:50:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>  Setting up Install Process
>  Setting up repositories
>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>  Parsing package install arguments
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  --> Running transaction check
>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
> kmod-kvm
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
> package kmod-kvm
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>                                  ^^^
>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?

Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.

# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
(snip)
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check

Dependencies Resolved

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
 kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
c5-testing        701 k
 kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M

Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
Install      2 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove       0 Package(s)

-Akemi


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 16:36:58 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:36:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>>  Setting up Install Process
>>  Setting up repositories
>>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>>  Parsing package install arguments
>>  Resolving Dependencies
>>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  --> Running transaction check
>>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
>> kmod-kvm
>>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
>> package kmod-kvm
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>>                                  ^^^
>>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?
> 
> Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
> running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.
> 
> # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
> (snip)
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
> ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
> ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
> --> Running transaction check
> 
> Dependencies Resolved
> 
> =============================================================================
>  Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
> =============================================================================
> Installing:
>  kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
> c5-testing        701 k
>  kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M
> 
> Transaction Summary
> =============================================================================
> Install      2 Package(s)
> Update       0 Package(s)
> Remove       0 Package(s)

after remove the previous version then it's works otherwise not.
unfortunately the bigger problem kvm-66 is not working for us. the 
latest usable version was 62 (so we witch back to 62). our setup:
- host:
   - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
   - Intel S3000AHV
   - 8GB RAM
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-1:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 i386 32bit
- guest-2:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-3:
   - Mandrake-9
   - kernel-2.4.19.16mdk-1-1mdk 32bit
- guest-4:
   - Mandrake-10
   - kernel-2.6.14.2-p4-smp 32bit
- guest-5:
   - Windows XP Professional 32bit
mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are 
  boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Wed May  7 18:23:27 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:23:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805071123y6498134o9a17fb0dde295184@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

Could you give more information? E.g. what kind of error do you get
when the kernel panics?

-- Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Thu May  8 11:49:42 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:49:42 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
Message-ID: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>

Hi!

Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
there be any problems?

Thanks!

Ruomu


From kanarip at kanarip.com  Thu May  8 12:01:03 2008
From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:01:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
> there be any problems?
> 

Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;

No, you can't.

Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
 >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  9 04:59:08 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 12:59:08 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com> <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
Message-ID: <4823DA1C.2000305@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
>> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
>> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
>> there be any problems?
>>
> 
> Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
> compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;
> 
> No, you can't.
> 
> Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
>  >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
> looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

I suspect the code imbeds quite a deal of knowledge about what is being 
installed, too.


-- 

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From jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it  Fri May  9 08:40:56 2008
From: jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it (Marco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:40:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Backuppc 3.1.0
Message-ID: <305947.24643.qm@web27603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
i was looking for a backup system for small mixed
environment (linux and windows) to install on a centos
5.1 server and a tryed to use backuppc 3.1.0 from the
testing repository, mainly becouse I have already
succesfully used it in the past on a fedora server and
because it perfectly matches my requirements.

This is my expirience:

Before starting I carefully read this useful
documents:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2403
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=1299

http://marc.info/?l=centos-devel&m=117145576710647&w=2

The first installation worked fine: I configured the
repository in yum and I succesfully downloaded and
installed backuppc and all the dependecies.

I configured apache to run as backuppc user instead of
apache and the server 
started working.

The server on wich i'm running backuppc is a general
purpose server and it's not dedicated 
to the backup job, so for me is a big issue running
apache as the backuppc user.

Studying the above mentioned documentation I solved
the issue by this way:

1) I downloaded the SRPMS version of backuppc
2) I manually applied the modification suggested by
ScratchMonkey to the spec file (the diff file proposed
on the bug tracker didn't work out of the box becouse
it refers to a previus version of backuppc, but I was
easily able to manually apply the modification).
3) I recompiled the RPM and I succesfully installed
it.
4) I configured apache to work in suexec mode (using
the sample conf file published on the bug tracker).

The server is now working fine and I havan't any
performance issue on the web intrface (but i have very
few clients).

My suggestion is to use the suexec mode which I find
very easy to implement and without collateral effect
on other web application published from the same
apache server.

I hope this will help.

Marco




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From dag at centos.org  Fri May  9 10:37:57 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:37:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
> <rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>>  and recruitment firms.
>
> Hence moderation ;).

Jobs are only useful based on location, that means a particular job in 
Brussels may not appeal to 99% of the subscribers, and therefor the 
signal-to-noise ratio is very poor. (May be different for very short 
contract work items or simple support requests)

I would leave job-offerings to dedicated, specialised sites where people 
can search and put resumes online. But if we have people to volunteer for 
the moderation I do not object with an experiment :)

I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
required. Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:

 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May  9 12:11:58 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:11:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080509121158.GR9139@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
> required. 

It's not going to be that much of a task to moderate a few job postings.

> Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:
>
> 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
> 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

As it does for at least netbsd, as far as I know (one of their
developers is sitting a few desks away and we talked about that a little
bit).

Ralph
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From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 10 01:34:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:34:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805091834u2e9e5ccq4b6af62f0017b805@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> On Monday 25 February 2008, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> ...
>> > Johnny, could you let us know your reasons for wanting to point to the
>> > remote GPG key?
>>
>> We DON'T allow downloads of ISOs from centos.org servers due to
>> bandwidth considerations.  It would be fairly easy to put out an ISO
>> that had different RPMS and a different key.
>>
>> Granted, people CAN check the md5 and sha1 sum of the ISOs if they choose.
>>
>> Since we do control the content of every mirror.centos.org server, we
>> know that the key file is correct.  In order to make that key AND the
>> RPMS be bad, they need a doctored CD *AND* they need to hijack our
>> content by DNS poisoning or getting control of our servers.
>>
>> I just think if you are using the internet anyway, why not also get the
>> key from a known location.
>
> I agree that there's something intuitively right about that, but,
> unfortunately it's wrong :-)
>
> Here's why.
>
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...
>
> It will have to be up to the user to make sure (with our help, signed .isos,
> installers that check rpm signatures and stage2 signature) that he/she has an
> ok system. If they fail then they don't really run centos, they run haxx0r os
> and any attempt to validate anything inside that will fail.
>
> /Peter

This discussion has been dormant for a while...  With 5.2 just around
the corner, isn't it a good idea to wrap this up and reach some sort
of a conclusion?

Akemi


From me at danieldk.org  Sat May 10 14:35:54 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:35:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805100735x687e2fb0n9249b2f47f60226c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...

Or a modified yum or RPM that only appears to do verification. I agree
that we should at the very least suppose that the user verifies the
installation media.

As for DNS poisoning or hacking, that misery can potentially happen to
everyone, and a good manner to guard against this is relying on the
pre-installed key from media that was proven to be correct. So, I
think this should be the default behavior.

Take care,
Daniel


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sat May 10 22:16:12 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:16:12 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
Message-ID: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.

However, even then, there are several file types for which no
thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm

Regards
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	thunar-thumbnailers
Name: 		thunar-thumbnailers
Version: 	0.3.2
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Graphics
URL: 		http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/ristretto

Source: 	http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/%{name}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.9
BuildRequires: 	ImageMagick-devel >= 6.2.8.0

Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.9
Requires: 	ImageMagick >= 6.2.8.0

%description
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate previews of image and font files and can automatically use available GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
However, even then, there are several file types for which no thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall

%post
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-vfs-update-thumbnailers-cache-1

%postun
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :


%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README
%{_datadir}/mime/packages/%{name}.xml
%{_libexecdir}/*thumbnailer
%{_datadir}/thumbnailers/*.desktop

%changelog
* Sun Apr 11 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.3.2-1
- Initial package.
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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:30:04 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:30:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:46:25 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:25 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
Message-ID: <4826CE81.5010305@centos.org>

Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
>>
>> Description:
>> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
>> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
>> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
>> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
>>
>> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
>> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
>> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats.
>> Download: 
>> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
>>
> 
> Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

To answer my own question by reading the spec file :D ... for centos-5

I am currently building this and if all goes well, will include it in 
CentOS Extras.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 11:17:41 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 06:17:41 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Heiko,

Would you test these and see if they do what you want:

http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 12:11:01 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:11:01 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
Message-ID: <1210507861.6481.2.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Sonntag, den 11.05.2008, 06:17 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
> Heiko,
> 
> Would you test these and see if they do what you want:
> 
> http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/
IMHO they work as expected.
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 15:42:26 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:42:26 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: squeeze
Message-ID: <1210520546.9363.4.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the squeeze-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop
Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze
is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/squeeze-0.2.3-1.src.rpm

Regards,
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	Squeeze
Name: 		squeeze
Version: 	0.2.3
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Utilities
URL: 		http://squeeze.xfce.org

Source: 	http://squeeze.xfce.org/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	gtk2-devel >= 2.10
BuildRequires: 	libxfce4util-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	libxfcegui4-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	dbus-glib-devel >= 0.34
BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.8

Requires: 	gtk2 >= 2.10
Requires: 	libxfce4util >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	libxfcegui4 >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	dbus-glib >= 0.34
Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.8

%description
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall
%{__rm} %{buildroot}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache
%find_lang %{name}

%post
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%postun
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files -f %{name}.lang
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README TODO
%{_bindir}/%{name}
%{_includedir}/libsqueeze-0.2
%{_libdir}/*
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-archive-plugin/%{name}.tap
%{_datadir}/applications/%{name}.desktop
%{_datadir}/icons/*
%{_datadir}/locale/*
%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libsqueeze/*

%changelog
* Sat Apr 10 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.2.3-1
- Initial package.
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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 10:18:06 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:06 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
Message-ID: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Farkas Levente wrote:
>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 
>> are   boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>   
> 
> Can you post the panic?
> 
> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.

unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang 
at "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Tue May 13 10:48:40 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:48:40 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> >
> > Farkas Levente wrote:
> >
> > > mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Can you post the panic?
> >
> > It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
> >
>
>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.

Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 11:58:32 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:32 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
	<48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48298268.9000700@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>>> Farkas Levente wrote:
>>>
>>>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
>> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>>>
>>> Can you post the panic?
>>>
>>> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
>>>
>>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
>> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.
> 
> Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

at the same time it'd be useful to merge the fedora and centos spec 
files too (in kvm-68 i used a spec file based on fedora's spec).
the two main differences the bootmenu patch, bios, and the separate qemu 
package which is already in testing too.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Tue May 13 21:01:45 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:01:45 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
Message-ID: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
no error messages are shown.
Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2

Can anyone confirm this?
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 06:57:22 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:57:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
> webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
> The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
> no error messages are shown.
> Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2
> 
> Can anyone confirm this?

That's more or less the same for me. Using a Citrix Terminal Server with
web-interface. In the statusbar I get 'Start: applet not initialized.'.

I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(

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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 10:29:38 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:29:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
Message-ID: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Hello,

CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

Any thoughts?

Niels

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Wed May 14 11:12:30 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:12:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore
	with OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <1210763550.2702.0.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Mittwoch, den 14.05.2008, 08:57 +0200 schrieb Niels de Vos:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
> I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(
That sounds funny because the OpenJDK 1.6 JRE is the Sun-HRE :-)
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 14 15:16:37 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:16:37 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>

Niels de Vos wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
> the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
> the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
> only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
> think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

not really no.

There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with 
5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then 
take this issue up if it still needs attention

- KB


From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 15:21:51 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:21:51 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com> <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
Message-ID: <482B038F.6090908@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Niels de Vos wrote:
>> Is there any
>> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?
> 
> not really no.
> 
> There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with
> 5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then
> take this issue up if it still needs attention

Okay, I'll wait and see what comes :)

Thanks

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From rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za  Sat May 17 10:25:27 2008
From: rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za (Rabie Van der Merwe)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:25:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
Message-ID: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>


Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
are making there way into the mirrors.
I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
files:
lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml

I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.

Regards
Rabie van der Merwe
Infrastructure Architect

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From johnny at centos.org  Sat May 17 12:09:13 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:09:13 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
In-Reply-To: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
References: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
Message-ID: <482ECAE9.6030308@centos.org>

Rabie Van der Merwe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
> if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
> are making there way into the mirrors.
> I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
> 'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
> 'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
> am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
> files:
> lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml
> 
> I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.
> 

This is now correct ... should trickle down soon.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 17 13:56:56 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:56:56 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS as a project ?
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910804241203j220814fw84262208d486d34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4810EFEA.8090102@karan.org> <20080425100044.GT19680@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060207x36573bd8s2ec41cf7bf0fb666@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506092127.GA36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060235o18287b2cx4b9cb2020fe5f93e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506093648.GB36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080517135656.GB31684@br-online.de>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> > That was *why* I CCed Gideon, as I didn't want to ask Alain if he wanted
> > to take the lead while your brother "officially" had that before.
> 
> I finally got a hold of him wrt this subject, and he is ok with
> passing on the hat. It suits him more to toss in artwork when he has
> time, but his schedule does not allow him to actively lead this.

Lucky you. So Alain - do you want to take the lead in the Artwork SIG?
We then could do an announcement on centos-devel/user, create a project
on projects.centos.org and maybe create a mailing list for that.

http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Artwork - there already is a
page on the wiki for that. Do you want something added to that before
the announcement (except exchange Gideon and you)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 11:54:10 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:54:10 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
random order) :

- Update the content of the slides (and translate them)

I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
the slides updated. So speak up :-)

- Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

- Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)

When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
changing desktops.

So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 12:23:10 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:10 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836B72E.1040901@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

Considering no one else can, this one is mine.

- KB


From orkcu at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 12:26:08 2008
From: orkcu at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roger_Pe=F1a?=)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <761494.58651.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Fri, 5/23/08, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
> To: "The CentOS developers mailing list." <centos-devel at centos.org>
> Received: Friday, May 23, 2008, 7:54 AM
> Hi,
> 
> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release
> of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These
> are (in
> random order) :
> 
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have
> changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we
> would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

there is a list for this kind of things (translations), so just use it :-)
centos-es is ready for that ;-)

cu
roger


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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 12:26:17 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:26:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

> So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
> to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
{0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
a few weeks ago.

A grep over my complete file system is running now, to see where this
string is mentioned.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:13:54 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:13:54 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into 
anaconda this time.

> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
> a few weeks ago.

ok, I can do that now.

- KB


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 13:21:22 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
Message-ID: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>
> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
> anaconda this time.

I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
can be gotten a hold of ...

>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>> a few weeks ago.
>
> ok, I can do that now.

As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
package. 

If I understand it correctly, then
/usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
ntp servers.

If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
/usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
more than upstream does, as that only contains 

server 0.pool.ntp.org 

lines.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:23:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:23:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
Message-ID: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>

ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2

Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog 
and mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the 
packages into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.

this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be 
enough ?

- KB


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:43:02 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
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On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2
>
> Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog and
> mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the packages
> into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.
>
> this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be enough
> ?

My feeling is that 6 days is going to be to short especially when some
of us are going to be at Linuxtag between the 28th and the 31th.

10 days sounds like a more reasonable estimate to me. But it will also
depend on how much issues we find. It can go faster but it can also go
slower.

Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 14:36:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
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Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

- KB


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 14:53:54 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org> <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
>> anaconda this time.
> 
> I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
> changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
> can be gotten a hold of ...
> 
>>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>>> a few weeks ago.
>> ok, I can do that now.
> 
> As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
> package. 
> 
> If I understand it correctly, then
> /usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
> startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
> ntp servers.
> 
> If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
> /usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
> more than upstream does, as that only contains 
> 
> server 0.pool.ntp.org 

My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It 
seems weird to me that it isn't.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 14:59:33 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:59:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
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John Summerfield wrote:
> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
> seems weird to me that it isn't.

Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
ntpd.

Ralph
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From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:17:58 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:17:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:
>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
>> seems weird to me that it isn't.
> 
> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
> ntpd.
> 

I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
with a different setting.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell at gmail.com


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:19 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

As this has slept in a bit and I'm still not too sure if it really is a
good idea (but I'm leaning towards it), I try to rephrase (should,
should not, must, must not as in RFC 2119):

- Jobs must have to do with CentOS
- List must be moderated
- Job offers must not just include links to other sites (meaning: Job
  offers must include full details)
- Foreign language mails are okay, as long as an english explanation is
  also in that mail
- Job offers should include Country and if applicable City in the
  subject
- There will be no discussion on that list
- There will be no Reply-To: for discussions on other lists
- List Reply-To: will be set to sender (so that you can answer directly)

Anything I missed?

Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:54 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for  
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or  
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override  
> with a different setting.

I wasn't talking about any functionality changes here.

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:25:13 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:25:13 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
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On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
...snip...
>
> Anything I missed?

I don't hink so.

> Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Yep, just give it a go and see what happens.

> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

I don't think it will be a high volume list but I'm willing to help if
it is to much work.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 15:33:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:33:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
	<4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
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Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. 
>>> It  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>
>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>> ntpd.
>>
> 
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
> with a different setting.
> 
Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a 
goose of myself again.

I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, 
but I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by 
my dhcp server. Even on C4.

I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the 
DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what 
I had in mind.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From me at danieldk.org  Fri May 23 16:40:52 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:40:52 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805230940l7ca392demdb4b856a9abda4b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Correct.

Take care,
Daniel


From smooge at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:00:02 2008
From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:00:02 -0600
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
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On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM, John Summerfield
<debian at herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>>
>>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It
>>>>  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>>
>>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>>> ntpd.
>>>
>>
>> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for
>> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or less
>> like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override with a
>> different setting.
>>
> Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a goose
> of myself again.
>

It shouldn't be ignored out of the box.. my system got an updated ntp
but I am not sure if I changed it later. I will have to do a reinstall
to make sure... but it looks like its not ignoring.

> I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, but
> I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by my dhcp
> server. Even on C4.
>

Thats weird. I need to check my boxes again.

> I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the
> DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what I
> had in mind.
>

Thats a bit more of a change.. I think it would need to be an upstream
change first.


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:36:20 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:20 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
<tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>
> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
> changing desktops.

Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
image is:

http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug

Akemi


From centos-devel at centos.org  Fri May 23 18:24:41 2008
From: centos-devel at centos.org (VIAGRA ® Official Site)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
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From unfies at gmail.com  Fri May 23 18:30:55 2008
From: unfies at gmail.com (Will Langford)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:55 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
Message-ID: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...

j/k :)

-Will


From dag at centos.org  Sat May 24 08:43:00 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:43:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Tim Verhoeven wrote:

> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
> random order) :
>
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
>
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
  - Explain where to get documentation
  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
  - ...

Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could 
improve ?


> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)
>
> By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
> currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
> connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

When doing this on CentOS 5.1 in a kickstart file (repo directive) it 
would fail because of the wrong package order. One of the first things 
that needs to be installed is glibc (because of ldconfig) and coreutils 
but it didn't go first and 100% packages simply failed to install.

I didn't debug this, maybe the updates repo needed some special tweaking ?


-- 
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[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 24 10:13:08 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:13:08 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

Maybe a tad late now? Especially if we think about translations.

>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>  - Explain where to get documentation
>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>  - ...

There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
things above.

> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
> improve ?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Sat May 24 10:30:14 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:30:14 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>
>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>> changing desktops.
> 
> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
> image is:
> 
> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug


Thanks,

I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 24 13:19:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:19:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
>> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>>
>>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>>> changing desktops.
>>
>> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
>> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
>> image is:
>>
>> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug
>
> Thanks,
>
> I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq

Surely.  Thanks.

Akemi


From mouss at netoyen.net  Sat May 24 19:30:47 2008
From: mouss at netoyen.net (mouss)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:30:47 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
	<2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48386CE7.5020307@netoyen.net>

Will Langford wrote:
> I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...
>
>   

I didn't know that <centos-devel at centos.org> was a member of this list...

Is there any reason to accept such junk (From: containing 
centos-devel at centos.org. or even *@centos.org if the submitter isn't in 
this domain)?


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From hoschi at mouhaha.de  Sun May 25 22:44:04 2008
From: hoschi at mouhaha.de (Oliver Peter)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:44:04 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
Message-ID: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>

Hi,

I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.

If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
not hesitate to contact me.

Bye

O.

-- 
Oliver PETER, email: hoschi at mouhaha.de, ICQ# 113969174
"Worker bees can leave.  Even drones can fly away.
                         The Queen is their slave."
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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 06:46:40 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:46:40 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>   
>>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>>  - Explain where to get documentation
>>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>>  - ...
>>     
>
> There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
> things above.
>   

The are currently 9 images in the anaconda rnotes directory for each
language, 01 -- 09.
Can we have e.g. 10-centos-release-cycle, 11-centos-extra etc. or something?

Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Ruomu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 08:41:40 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:41:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Exactly.

Ralph
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Mon May 26 09:18:36 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:18:36 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A806C.508@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
>> improve ?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

I don't have any editing rights there, don't need them either if this
mail is read ;)

My advice for the 05-centos5-centosplus.png would be to change the URL
to <http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories>. The wiki is very helpful and
this link is much easier to remember. On the wiki-page CentOSPlus is the
first repository mentioned, so this even fits to the contents of the slide.

Cheers,
Niels

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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 09:34:35 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:34:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
	<483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com> <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>   
>> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
>> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
>>     

I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Romu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 09:59:38 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:59:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
	<20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de> <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526095938.GY6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Ruomu Hu wrote:
> >   
> >> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> >> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
> >>     
> 
> I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
> there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Good.

Please wait for a call for translation for the Release Notes of CentOS
5.2 (which should go out today to this list).

There is no real chance to do new slides for 5.2, but I put that on my
ToDo list for 5.3. But: It would be great if you could translate our
Release Notes which live on http://wiki.centos.org/ (more details
follow).

What you can do now is register yourself a wiki account there
(FirstnameLastname, please) and tell me when you did so.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:39:00 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:39:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Volunteering for CentOS
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

   I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
  and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could help
with. I could help with testing and recompiling
  the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work you
need help with thats within my abilities, I
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:44:46 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:44:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>

Hello
>
>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me


Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
to help you

Best wishes,
                  Jordan

-- 
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From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:30:01 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:00:01 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155494980805270130q23098ca3s3b46c79871029dd9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
        I am glad to join with you CentOS devs and testers. I am ready to
spend my hours for centos testing. I am sure i may help you a little. I will
be glad to hlep you like Jordan Evans. :)

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best to help you
>
> Best wishes,
>                   Jordan
>
>
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
Regards,
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:32:19 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:32:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
> to help you

Hi Jordan,

Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
(http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
projects) and a ToDo section.

I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
what you think.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 09:02:04 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:02:04 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
In-Reply-To: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
References: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270202x106dd106p26679531260b9442@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Oliver Peter <hoschi at mouhaha.de> wrote:
>
> I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
> release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.
>
> If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
> not hesitate to contact me.

Hi Oliver,

Thank you for your interest in helping. We are a bit to far in the QA
process at the moment to include you at the moment. But keep an eye
this mailinglist for future announcements and requests for testers. If
you like you can check out the CentOS wiki (http://wiki.centos.org)
and have a look at the different projects and the ToDo list. Maybe you
can find some you are interested in there and can help out that way.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Tue May 27 22:58:11 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:58:11 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> >> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
> >>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> >> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
> >>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> >> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> >> --
> >> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
> >
> > Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best
> > to help you
>
> Hi Jordan,
>
> Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
> following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
> CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
> (http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
> projects) and a ToDo section.
>
> I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
> what you think.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83
>
> Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
> "microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
> (Linus Torvalds)
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi Tim,

    I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
on it.

                                               Best wishes,
                                                                Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 07:58:17 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:58:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280058v43c143bfp15579e55b6adaf5f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
> that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
> on it.
>

Very nice that you find some projects you like. Normally the people
responsable for those projects will respond to your mail. If not mail
again to centos-devel and say explicitly that you would like to help
on a certain project. Also, some people are busy so it may take a
couple of days for them to respond.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 08:55:31 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:55:31 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
Message-ID: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>

Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
 a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
to organise it on a ongoing basis.

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:09:13 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:13 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Karan,
                  I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
wrote:

> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>
> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From aim.prabhat at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:50:34 2008
From: aim.prabhat at gmail.com (prabhat kumar)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 04:50:34 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebca8da00805280450j6c45f01bv77ea43821e4558e3@mail.gmail.com>

I also want to contribute something, since I am using CentOS from past 2
year.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:09 AM, KarthiKeyan <karthixinbox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Karan,
>                   I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
> procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
>> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
>> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
>> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
>> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>>
>> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
>> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>>
>> --
>> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
>> _______________________________________________
>> CentOS-devel mailing list
>> CentOS-devel at centos.org
>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Karthi Keyan
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


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From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 14:11:19 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:11:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jordan,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;).

I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
head, the most urgent things:

- Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
- Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
which is slow ;).
- Add RSS feeds.
- Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
latest).

The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
get peer-review).

Take care,
Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:04:23 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:04:23 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Hi,

I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
current pacakges in the testing repo.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 15:42:17 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:42:17 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.

I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.

Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
Fail would be good.

> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
> current pacakges in the testing repo.

I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

- KB


From woboyle at ieee.org  Wed May 28 16:26:52 2008
From: woboyle at ieee.org (William Boyle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
Message-ID: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>

I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

William Boyle
Application Frameworks and Systems, Inc.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 17:17:54 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:54 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281017r997b192s69e7ec208dc292c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:

> Hi Jordan,
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> > that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my
> python
> > ;).
>
> I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
> thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
> Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
> There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
> head, the most urgent things:
>
> - Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
> - Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
> record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
> which is slow ;).
> - Add RSS feeds.
> - Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
> parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
> we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
> latest).
>
> The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
> work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
> tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
> get peer-review).
>
> Take care,
> Daniel
>  _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi

After I brush up on my python and learn the Django web framework, I would
like to try to get a demo working and get the changelog thing sorted out,
but that won't be for a couple days.

       Cheers
                 Jordan
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:00:36 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:00:36 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>

Developers,

Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz

Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png

Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
Could someone help on that ?

Thanks,
al.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:13:48 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:43:48 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281113h493cc11dlabf39b7658f99e1a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado <
alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:

> Developers,
>
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think
> ?
>
> LoginScreen:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
>
> Wallpaper:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
>
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
>
> Thanks,
> al.
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi,

    The wallpaper looks really nice, it looks pretty modern and it doesn't
distract
    away from anything

Good job,

              Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From hrbac.conf at seznam.cz  Wed May 28 18:56:15 2008
From: hrbac.conf at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgSHJiw6HEjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:56:15 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>

Alain Reguera Delgado napsal(a):
> Developers,
> 
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
> 
> Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
> 
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> al.

Alain,
it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version. Anyway, the wall 
paper looks pretty fine.
Regards,
David Hrb??


From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 19:22:34 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:34 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:
...
> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.

Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.

What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Thanks,
al.

From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 19:47:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alain,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
<alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
of an order) is a bit distracting.

Take care,
Daniel


From lystor at lystor.org.ua  Wed May 28 21:47:19 2008
From: lystor at lystor.org.ua (Nikolay Ulyanitsky)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:47:19 +0300
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212011239.4856.0.camel@lystor.users.home.lystor.org.ua>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:22 -0400, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Width / height = 16 / 10


-- 
Nikolay Ulyanitsky <lystor at lystor.org.ua>



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:22:29 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:29 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDB25.7020108@uoregon.edu>


Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:.
>> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.
> 
> Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
> various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.
> 
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

I think he means for widescreen displays, which are getting more and more 
popular. Common resolutions are 1280x800, 1440x900, 1920x1200. You can 
probably google for a better list, but those are the big three I think.

-Brandon


From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:25:00 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:25:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> of an order) is a bit distracting.

Someone's a little OCD :)

I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png

-Brandon


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Thu May 29 00:15:15 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:15:15 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483DF593.2080303@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.
> 
> I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
> details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
> responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
> or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
> people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
> they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
> expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.
> 
> Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
> details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
> to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
> be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
> they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
> Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
> Fail would be good.
> 
>> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
>> current pacakges in the testing repo.
> 
> I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
> there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
> the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

If those packages are travelling together, then they should stay 
together. However, if new cft appears without its companions, and gets 
no testing, it's hard to justify its promotion.

And this is just testing, deleting it here doesn't mean it vanishes from 
the target repo.
> 
> The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

Always, it's communication.

I think email should _always_ go out, even if the builder doesn't intend 
it to be promoted. If there's a point to putting it into the repo, it's 
to share it, and if you want people to use it you have to tell them.

The email must contain a summary of what's changed, and a summary of 
what the package does. If I don't use it now, tell me why I might want to!

A lot of package descriptions are next to incomprehensible. Take this, 
from F9:
FAAD 2 is a LC, MAIN and LTP profile, MPEG2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder, 
completely
written from scratch.

This package contains libfaad.


Better, something like "FAAD 2" decodes various (generic description of 
just what MAIN, LTP etc are), including (name them) and is used for/by ....

If they're used by Amorok and I know I use that, then I know maybe I 
should be interested in this.

The email might link to a wiki, but don't expect users to use the wiki 
to decide whether it's something they should test.

I presume that these announcements would amount to quite a bit of email, 
maybe enough to seriously change the nature of this list should they 
come here.

You might consider a new list, maybe "updates-announcements" where these 
announcements go, and that responses be directed to this list. This list 
might help where/if there are different packagers on different 
platforms: Joe builds on IA32, Fred sees he needs to build on zSeries 
and Freda on Power.

Seed it with members of this list, it's little different from just 
sending mail here, and gives users of this list the ability to opt out. 
This would ensure there's a decent number of eyeballs seeing its 
contents from day one.

The list description for the new list would recommend also subscribing 
to this list, but I don't think everyone will want to.

The description of this list should be updated to recommend new 
subscribers also subscribe to updates-announcements so as to keep 
abreast of threatened changes. Again, not everyone will want to.

If there's a formal test procedure for a particular package, then this 
should be described in its wiki document. I imagine some packages - gcc, 
postgresql for example - might have established test cases to run, and 
others might be added as new bugs are reported and resolved.




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From subsolar at subsolar.com  Thu May 29 00:23:04 2008
From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
Message-ID: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:25 -0700, Brandon Davidson wrote:
> Daniel de Kok wrote:
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> > <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> > 
> > Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> > of an order) is a bit distracting.
> 
> Someone's a little OCD :)
> 
> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> -Brandon

Like that one much more personally.

Paul



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Thu May 29 00:32:25 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
	<1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
Message-ID: <483DF999.1060504@uoregon.edu>

Paul wrote:
>> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
>> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> Like that one much more personally.


I too favor the 'streams and lines' ones (either horizontal or vertical) over 
the others. They remind me of a stream of bubbles in water... odd, box-shaped 
bubbles :) The one with the tiled logo is particularly busy and would, I 
think, get on my nerves.

-Brandon


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Thu May 29 07:42:34 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:34 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
In-Reply-To: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805290042p2434dae2sfcd3aac63cb60c88@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM, William Boyle <woboyle at ieee.org> wrote:
> I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
> and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
> boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
> necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

Hi William,

We currently have enough testers for the 5.2 release. But I'll keep
your name in the back of my head if we need more help. We appriciate
that you are willing to volunteer. If you would like it, there are
some other things for which we could use more people. So if you are
interrested in let us know.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Thu May 29 09:19:49 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:19:49 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483E7535.2080008@karan.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.


I tried to implement some of the stuff I wrote in my previous email -
implement on the wiki that is, and its too much work getting all the
stuff together. And its 'too much' enough, to make it something that
most people wont bother with, it raises the barrier too far.

Perhaps a php or python+django or Rails hosted app that can manage this
for us would be good. Anyone fancy a shot ?

I can work with Tim and get some sort of a specification up...

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Thu May 29 19:49:56 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:49:56 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
Message-ID: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello all..

I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/

But where can I find the source?

Thanks...Paul...




From jeff at osuosl.org  Fri May 30 00:08:04 2008
From: jeff at osuosl.org (Jeff Sheltren)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:08:04 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>

On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:

> Hello all..
>
> I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
>
> But where can I find the source?
>
> Thanks...Paul...

I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec

Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...

-Jeff


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Fri May 30 03:11:58 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:11:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <1212117118.3635.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks..  I was already building using the version from dev.centos.org
(buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm), so I didn't want to
deviate too much.

At any rate, I've discovered that the latest buildsys-build spec
"template" is available in the git repo for mock.  Strange that I don't
see it in the latest mock .tar.gz release though.

I queried the CentOS version (rpm -qp --requires
buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm 2>/dev/null | sort) and
discovered the diff between it and the latest from git:  CentOS requires
'python' where the latest version from the mock git repo does not.  The
git version requires 'buildsys-macros' where the CentOS version does
not.

Looking at /etc/mock/epel-5-i386.cfg on my Fedora 9 install, I found
that 'buildsys-macros' RPM and SRPM could be found here:
http://buildsys.fedoraproject.org/buildgroups/rhel5/i386/

Now I know what I'm dealing with, but this would have been a whole lot
easier to figure out if the CentOS SRPM had been available..  :(

Cheers...Paul...

-------

P.S....

Browse the mock git repo here to find buildsys-build.spec.template:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser

Browse previous .spec versions (before buildsys-build.spec was renamed
to buildsys-build.spec.template):
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/log/buildsys-build.spec?rev=1c14b3c9b6fcbad867afbb7cc09ec5d91cf9e642

Looks like this version (0.5-4) is closest to the centos rpm version
wise:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser/buildsys-build.spec?rev=04580c1234b74957e25d490993e74095ae218d5d



On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:08 -0700, Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> Sender: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> Errors-To: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> X-Spam: exempt
> X-MAIL-FROM: <centos-devel-bounces at centos.org>
> X-SOURCE-IP: [72.21.40.12]
> 
> On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > Hello all..
> >
> > I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> > http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
> >
> > But where can I find the source?
> >
> > Thanks...Paul...
> 
> I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
> http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec
> 
> Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...
> 
> -Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:12:45 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:45 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-52.EL
Message-ID: <483F7EBD.20509@ict.swin.edu.au>

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be 
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be 
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:41:53 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:41:53 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <483F8591.8030606@ict.swin.edu.au>

(I am sending this message again with the correct subject).

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin


From tru at centos.org  Fri May 30 10:20:02 2008
From: tru at centos.org (Tru Huynh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:20:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <20080530102002.GC13736@sillage.bis.pasteur.fr>

Thanks to John Newbigin the new GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are
now available.

http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

i386:
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm

Best regards,

Tru
-- 
Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance)
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBEFA581B
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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 30 11:53:46 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:53:46 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
> 
> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.



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From ned at unixmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 12:31:48 2008
From: ned at unixmail.co.uk (Ned Slider)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:31:48 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <483FF3B4.9070004@unixmail.co.uk>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 
> 
> 

You could check the developers blogs at:

http://planet.centos.org/

Specifically Tim's posting from May 23, 2008.



From csieh at fnal.gov  Fri May 30 16:15:37 2008
From: csieh at fnal.gov (Connie Sieh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org> <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>

On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>> 
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>

There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/

There should be x86_64 version available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64

soon.

-Connie Sieh
>
>
>


From rayvd at bludgeon.org  Fri May 30 16:30:47 2008
From: rayvd at bludgeon.org (Ray Van Dolson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:30:47 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
Message-ID: <20080530163046.GA16730@bludgeon.org>

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:15:37AM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:
>
>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>>
>>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>>
>> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
>> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
>> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>>
>
> There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/
>
> There should be x86_64 version available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64
>
> soon.
>
> -Connie Sieh

To the parent poster.. if you're just wanting to test for better
graphics support, why not use an eval copy of RHEL 5.2 vs an Alpha of
SL?

(If you're needing to test *now* vs in a week or two)

Ray


From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 30 18:10:02 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:10:02 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <484042FA.6030403@gmail.com>

John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 

Can you be more specific as to what you consider "adequate support for 
graphics"?

-- 
   Les Mikesell
     lesmikesell at gmail.com



From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Sat May 31 14:39:21 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:39:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS Forums again
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805310739n79ea479y760eecf6159929bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Having some time to do stuff for CentOS here at LinuxTag I've also
being building FreeIPA packages for CentOS. The idea that this will be
core part of a central authentication system. Meaning that you will
only need 1 account that you can use to login into the website, forum,
wiki, bugtracker, systems, ...

IMHO the most important system that needs to be attached to the
central auth database are the forums. There are a lot of users there
(and a lot of content). So I was thinking, why not fix 2 things at the
same time. Migrate from the old forum to the new forum that is linked
to the central auth system. And then later on couple the other
existing apps to it.

My feeling is that the most productive way to get forward with the
website/forum update is to split the forum from the website. In my
experience the forum present in CMS tools aren't made for the amount
of traffic we are having. So something dedicated sound like a better
option. So I have been looking around for open source forum software
that link to ldap without to much effort. I've looked at 3 projects
(Phorum, phpBB and SMF). They all 3 are good looking, well featured
and maintained. Though, only phpBB has a decent built-in LDAP
integration (FreeIPA is built on top of LDAP).

So my proposal is to setup a FreeIPA instance, link it with phpBB and
try to migrate a part of the current forums and see how all that
works. And if it looks good migrate to that.

So what do people think, did I miss stuff, other suggestions, ...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  2 04:55:33 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:55:33 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] xorg 7.2 on CentOS5
In-Reply-To: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <481A9EC5.4090607@herakles.homelinux.org>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Has anyone built xorg 7.2 for C5, or have handy hints on how it might be 
> done?
> 

"Too much trouble," I decided. Had to pull in too many dependencies, and 
by the time PolicyKit and ConsoleKit got included, it wasn't much like 
RHEL5-clone any more.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Fri May  2 17:19:21 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:19:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM

are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be 
found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Fri May  2 22:10:03 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:10:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.

I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
5.2 is released anyway.

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Sat May  3 11:19:59 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:19:59 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
>> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.
> 
> I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
> there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
> libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
> whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
> 5.2 is released anyway.

afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one 
version behind the current libvirt is far away.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 10:16:05 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:16:05 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
	<481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050316s6c3ace87rfb719a47acdecfe3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farkas,

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one
> version behind the current libvirt is far away.

Let's wait until 5.2 is out. When it is, could you create a list of
features (if any) that we absolutely need, and that are not in libvirt
included in 5.2? If there is a strong case for it (e.g. absence of
proper KVM support), we could look into providing it in CentOS-plus.

Take care,
Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May  5 12:47:54 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 20:47:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
Message-ID: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>

Hi,

I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
I need a respin dist (all updates included).

I wrote a script to generate my CentOS5-respin. My CentOS5 tree is at
/centos/5, it is rsynced with a Taiwan mirror daily. My generated
CentOS5 tree is placed at /centos/5-respin.

The generation of CentOS5-respin by my script runs fine, but the
generated CentOS5-respin tree has a problem: During network installation
using this CentOS5-respin tree, when it gets rpm installation, it always
complains "The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm cannot
be opened.". In the text console, the error message is "Failed to get
http://myserver/centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm".
Anaconda should look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/CentOS, but
it actually looks for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64.

Any ideas?
It would be nice if anyone could point me to some useful docs.

Thanks!
Ruomu

P.S. Here's my script:

#!/bin/bash
#
# gen_respin_distro
#
# To use this script, the following rpms need to installed first:
# anaconda
# anaconda-help
# anaconda-runtime
# busybox-anaconda ?
# bogl
# booty
# netpbm
# netpbm-progs
# mkisofs

#TODO
# 1. Should we use pkgorder? If yes, when?
# 2. Do we need to run pkgorder before buildinstall?
# 3. Do we need to run createrepo? Buildinstall seems to calls it.
# 4. Why does it look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64?


# Check tools
rpmmerge=`dirname "$0"`/rpmmerge
if [ ! -x "$rpmmerge" ]; then
echo "$rpmmerge does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
createrepo="/usr/bin/createrepo"
if [ ! -x "$createrepo" ]; then
echo "$createrepo does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
buildinstall="/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/buildinstall"
if [ ! -x "$buildinstall" ]; then
echo "$buildinstall does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi

# Set variables and functions
src="/centos/5"
dest="/centos/5-respin"
distro="CentOS"
arch="x86_64"
version="5"
product="CentOS"
release="Respin"
prodpath="CentOS"
eval_retval()
{
test $? -ne 0 && exit 1
}

# Merge rpms
echo -e "*** Merge rpms ***\n"
$rpmmerge $src/os/$arch/$distro $src/updates/$arch/RPMS
$dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval

# Create repo data
echo -e "\n*** Create repo data ***\n"
#cp -al $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml $dest/os/$arch/$distro
#eval_retval
$createrepo -q -g $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml -c $dest/os/$arch/cache \
-o $dest/os/$arch $dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval
#rm -f $dest/os/$arch/$distro/comps.xml
#eval_retval

# Run buildinstall
export PYTHONPATH="/usr/lib/anaconda"
echo -e "\n*** Buildinstall ***\n"
sudo $buildinstall \
--pkgorder "$dest/os/$arch/pkgorder.txt" \
--version $version \
--product $product \
--release $release \
--prodpath $prodpath \
$dest/os/$arch
eval_retval

exit 0


From mattdm at mattdm.org  Mon May  5 13:56:53 2008
From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:53 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
> I need a respin dist (all updates included).

Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
packages already installed.

-- 
Matthew Miller           mattdm at mattdm.org          <http://mattdm.org/>
Boston University Linux      ------>              <http://linux.bu.edu/>


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:23:46 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:23:46 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
Message-ID: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>

Developers, developers, developers ...

We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
<http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
editorial staff.

(Note: We can still discuss about that)

What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:

- Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
- should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
  one person)
- Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
  weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
  schemes. 
- Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
  about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
  way for quick and lasting flame fests)

And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
that list (or at least help with that)?

Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
offerings.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:26:07 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:07 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080505152607.GL9139@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? 
                                            ^at
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From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Mon May  5 15:57:46 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:57:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>

I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).

Example:

* The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
* Specific skills needed should appear on the email.

That's just my twenty cents.

- Scott

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...
>
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
>
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
>
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
>
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
>
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
>
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
>
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>   



From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 15:52:33 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...

I love this project!

>  - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)

People who want to apply for a job should know how to handle Google
:). Additionally, I think it normally only useful to skim through the
job offers of the last one or two months.

>  - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)

Yes.

>  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes.

I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

>  - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)

No, it does not serve a purpose. If someone want to follow up on an
offer, they can do so via private mail.

>  And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
>  vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
>  Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
>  that list (or at least help with that)?

Other projects have comparable lists, and they are great. Sometimes
the offers are too general, so, I am all in for moderation. I'd like
to help moderating.

-- Daniel


From amyagi at gmail.com  Mon May  5 16:06:56 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:06:56 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
>  >  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>  >   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>  >   schemes.
>
>  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
and accepted or would it be rejected?

http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

Akemi


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:16 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:16 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
> and accepted or would it be rejected?
> 
> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:41 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:41 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>

Scott Grizzard wrote:
> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> 
> Example:
> 
> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.

What about the country? =:D

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:21:31 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:21:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Akemi Yagi <amyagi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
>  >  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  >  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.
>
>  As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>  CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>  and accepted or would it be rejected?
>  http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

I would reject it:

- It does note state where CentOS is involved.
- It is not clear whether the company wants to hire a person full
time, or wants to make use of consulting services.
- What prior experience is required? What qualifications?
(- How about salary/benefits?)

I think this is a good example what a job offer could look like:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-jobs/2006/07/21/0000.html

-- Daniel


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:32:00 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:32:00 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Scott Grizzard wrote:
> > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
> 
> What about the country? =:D

Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:41:06 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:41:06 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>  > Scott Grizzard wrote:
>  > > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>  > > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>  > >
>  > > Example:
>  > >
>  > > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>  >
>  > What about the country? =:D
>
>  Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
>  allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
>  at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Yes. If an offer is purely in a foreign language, it's probably better
off on one of the non-English lists after an acknowledgement of the
list moderator. I have only once received such request for the Dutch
list.

-- Daniel
-- Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:43:31 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:43:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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Hi,

I've got no real comments based on what was already said. I just want
to say it is a good idea.

What maybe is a option is to post the rules and some sort of template
on the wiki and refer to that when people want to post something.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
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Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Mon May  5 21:59:16 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:59:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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On Mon, 5 May 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Scott Grizzard wrote:
>>> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>>> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>>
>> What about the country? =:D
>
> Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
> allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
> at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

I took that to ask if the country/location as well as the city should be 
required in the subject rather than what language the text might happen to 
be in.

For example a job offer in the city of 'Cambridge' might be in one of 
several places... :-)

Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.

  -- Jon

[ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]


From rwalker at medallion.com  Mon May  5 22:01:57 2008
From: rwalker at medallion.com (Ross S. W. Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:01:57 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> 
> Developers, developers, developers ...
> 
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
> 
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
> 
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
> 
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
> 
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
> 
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
> 
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.

A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
and recruitment firms.

Just my .02 

-Ross

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From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 22:13:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:13:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
<rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>  and recruitment firms.

Hence moderation ;).

-- Daniel


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:21:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:21:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
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Jon Peatfield wrote:

> Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
> should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
> their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
> accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.
> 
>  -- Jon
> 
> [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]

HEP?


It's not obvious to me that, should I be looking for someone to work on 
my CentOS project that I should restrict myself to people who are 
already involved in CentOS. Generally, I would think, people experienced 
in RHEL or SL would serve as well, and those familiar with other distros 
(Debian, SUSE) might bring fresh ideas.

I like the Shuttles technique - go on a holiday. Take archives of 
mailing lists. Evaluate peoples' skills, attitudes (eg how they deal 
with others)and ethics. Then, issue invitations.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:25:35 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:25:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>
>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
> 
> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect they're 
looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do. Maybe a 
smallbusiness person who does such things.

It doesn't look like enough work for one.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:32:00 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:32:00 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com> <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <481F98F0.3030101@herakles.homelinux.org>

Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
>> I need a respin dist (all updates included).
> 
> Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
> updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
> packages already installed.
> 
I'm with Matthew. If you do it on the road a lot, pack a laptop with the 
repos you want, dhcpd, tftp (run BIND too) installed and ready to start, 
a small switch and a few wires.And, maybe, a DVD and boot cd, just in case.

You can reconfigure as needed in %post and on first boot.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Tue May  6 00:48:49 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:48:49 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <20080506004849.GD25909@br-online.de>

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
> and recruitment firms.

So you want to apply for that database job which requires no oracle
knowledge but if you can bring in some cli experience (can you spell
${VARIABLE}?) we'd like to talk to you.
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From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Tue May  6 01:01:36 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:01:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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On Tue, 6 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

<snip>
>>  [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]
>
> HEP?

HEP == High Energy Physics (almost universally I thought).

It is just a job supporting computing in that group here (well ~50% of the 
time) so the actual meaning isn't very important.

The deadline for applications is today and it is a junior post so I doubt 
that many people reading this would be very interested.  If you are I'm 
sure that your advanced google-fu would let you find it pretty quickly ;-)

  -- Jon


From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Tue May  6 02:26:32 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:26:32 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
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You know what would be a good idea:

If you had a website that would parse various job postings on mailing  
lists, then categorize them by location, job type, etc. and post them  
on a craig's list type setting.  Hmmm........

Seriously, I think the job posting list is a great idea, no matter  
what form it takes.  I also think that having formatting guidelines  
for posting jobs is a good idea, so that people that subscribe can set  
up email filters that sort out the junk.

I think ease of setting up rules should be the primary motavation for  
the guidelines.

That would also take out some of the abuse potential, as humans would  
have to reformat the emails they are posting everywhere else for this  
mailing list.

-- Scott

PS: Anyone looking for an MA in economics with some mean centos and  
ubuntu skills?  He He He...

On May 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, John Summerfield wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>>
>>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
>> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
>> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.
>
> It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect  
> they're looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do.  
> Maybe a smallbusiness person who does such things.
>
> It doesn't look like enough work for one.
>
> -- 
>
> Cheers
> John
>
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From me at danieldk.org  Tue May  6 07:44:30 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:44:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
Message-ID: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
packaged.

Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
CentOS Wiki at:

http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories

The qemu package is named (surprise :)) 'qemu', and can be installed
after adding the testing repository:

yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install qemu

Thanks,
Daniel


From mark at foster.cc  Tue May  6 15:12:23 2008
From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:12:23 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48207557.6000501@foster.cc>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
> repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
> future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
> ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
> packaged.
>   

Wonderful!
Hopeful to see kqemu soon, too.
qemu + kqemu is great alternative to vmware* and for those of use who 
don't have vmx-capable hardware. So nice that vdisk created with 
qemu-img should be transportable between qemu & kvm.

-- 
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
Mark D. Foster, CISSP <mark at foster.cc>  http://mark.foster.cc/




From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 15:19:40 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 17:19:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>

there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
-----------------------------------------------------
# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "downloadonly" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
Reading repository metadata in from local files
0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for 
package: kmod-kvm
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed 
by package kmod-kvm
-----------------------------------------------------
you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
                                  ^^^
and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?


Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM
> 
> Akemi
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Wed May  7 15:50:46 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:50:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>  Setting up Install Process
>  Setting up repositories
>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>  Parsing package install arguments
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  --> Running transaction check
>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
> kmod-kvm
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
> package kmod-kvm
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>                                  ^^^
>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?

Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.

# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
(snip)
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check

Dependencies Resolved

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
 kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
c5-testing        701 k
 kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M

Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
Install      2 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove       0 Package(s)

-Akemi


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 16:36:58 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:36:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>>  Setting up Install Process
>>  Setting up repositories
>>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>>  Parsing package install arguments
>>  Resolving Dependencies
>>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  --> Running transaction check
>>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
>> kmod-kvm
>>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
>> package kmod-kvm
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>>                                  ^^^
>>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?
> 
> Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
> running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.
> 
> # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
> (snip)
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
> ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
> ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
> --> Running transaction check
> 
> Dependencies Resolved
> 
> =============================================================================
>  Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
> =============================================================================
> Installing:
>  kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
> c5-testing        701 k
>  kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M
> 
> Transaction Summary
> =============================================================================
> Install      2 Package(s)
> Update       0 Package(s)
> Remove       0 Package(s)

after remove the previous version then it's works otherwise not.
unfortunately the bigger problem kvm-66 is not working for us. the 
latest usable version was 62 (so we witch back to 62). our setup:
- host:
   - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
   - Intel S3000AHV
   - 8GB RAM
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-1:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 i386 32bit
- guest-2:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-3:
   - Mandrake-9
   - kernel-2.4.19.16mdk-1-1mdk 32bit
- guest-4:
   - Mandrake-10
   - kernel-2.6.14.2-p4-smp 32bit
- guest-5:
   - Windows XP Professional 32bit
mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are 
  boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Wed May  7 18:23:27 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:23:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805071123y6498134o9a17fb0dde295184@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

Could you give more information? E.g. what kind of error do you get
when the kernel panics?

-- Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Thu May  8 11:49:42 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:49:42 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
Message-ID: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>

Hi!

Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
there be any problems?

Thanks!

Ruomu


From kanarip at kanarip.com  Thu May  8 12:01:03 2008
From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:01:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
> there be any problems?
> 

Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;

No, you can't.

Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
 >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  9 04:59:08 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 12:59:08 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com> <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
Message-ID: <4823DA1C.2000305@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
>> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
>> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
>> there be any problems?
>>
> 
> Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
> compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;
> 
> No, you can't.
> 
> Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
>  >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
> looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

I suspect the code imbeds quite a deal of knowledge about what is being 
installed, too.


-- 

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John

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From jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it  Fri May  9 08:40:56 2008
From: jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it (Marco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:40:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Backuppc 3.1.0
Message-ID: <305947.24643.qm@web27603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
i was looking for a backup system for small mixed
environment (linux and windows) to install on a centos
5.1 server and a tryed to use backuppc 3.1.0 from the
testing repository, mainly becouse I have already
succesfully used it in the past on a fedora server and
because it perfectly matches my requirements.

This is my expirience:

Before starting I carefully read this useful
documents:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2403
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=1299

http://marc.info/?l=centos-devel&m=117145576710647&w=2

The first installation worked fine: I configured the
repository in yum and I succesfully downloaded and
installed backuppc and all the dependecies.

I configured apache to run as backuppc user instead of
apache and the server 
started working.

The server on wich i'm running backuppc is a general
purpose server and it's not dedicated 
to the backup job, so for me is a big issue running
apache as the backuppc user.

Studying the above mentioned documentation I solved
the issue by this way:

1) I downloaded the SRPMS version of backuppc
2) I manually applied the modification suggested by
ScratchMonkey to the spec file (the diff file proposed
on the bug tracker didn't work out of the box becouse
it refers to a previus version of backuppc, but I was
easily able to manually apply the modification).
3) I recompiled the RPM and I succesfully installed
it.
4) I configured apache to work in suexec mode (using
the sample conf file published on the bug tracker).

The server is now working fine and I havan't any
performance issue on the web intrface (but i have very
few clients).

My suggestion is to use the suexec mode which I find
very easy to implement and without collateral effect
on other web application published from the same
apache server.

I hope this will help.

Marco




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From dag at centos.org  Fri May  9 10:37:57 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:37:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
> <rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>>  and recruitment firms.
>
> Hence moderation ;).

Jobs are only useful based on location, that means a particular job in 
Brussels may not appeal to 99% of the subscribers, and therefor the 
signal-to-noise ratio is very poor. (May be different for very short 
contract work items or simple support requests)

I would leave job-offerings to dedicated, specialised sites where people 
can search and put resumes online. But if we have people to volunteer for 
the moderation I do not object with an experiment :)

I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
required. Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:

 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May  9 12:11:58 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:11:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080509121158.GR9139@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
> required. 

It's not going to be that much of a task to moderate a few job postings.

> Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:
>
> 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
> 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

As it does for at least netbsd, as far as I know (one of their
developers is sitting a few desks away and we talked about that a little
bit).

Ralph
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From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 10 01:34:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:34:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805091834u2e9e5ccq4b6af62f0017b805@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> On Monday 25 February 2008, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> ...
>> > Johnny, could you let us know your reasons for wanting to point to the
>> > remote GPG key?
>>
>> We DON'T allow downloads of ISOs from centos.org servers due to
>> bandwidth considerations.  It would be fairly easy to put out an ISO
>> that had different RPMS and a different key.
>>
>> Granted, people CAN check the md5 and sha1 sum of the ISOs if they choose.
>>
>> Since we do control the content of every mirror.centos.org server, we
>> know that the key file is correct.  In order to make that key AND the
>> RPMS be bad, they need a doctored CD *AND* they need to hijack our
>> content by DNS poisoning or getting control of our servers.
>>
>> I just think if you are using the internet anyway, why not also get the
>> key from a known location.
>
> I agree that there's something intuitively right about that, but,
> unfortunately it's wrong :-)
>
> Here's why.
>
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...
>
> It will have to be up to the user to make sure (with our help, signed .isos,
> installers that check rpm signatures and stage2 signature) that he/she has an
> ok system. If they fail then they don't really run centos, they run haxx0r os
> and any attempt to validate anything inside that will fail.
>
> /Peter

This discussion has been dormant for a while...  With 5.2 just around
the corner, isn't it a good idea to wrap this up and reach some sort
of a conclusion?

Akemi


From me at danieldk.org  Sat May 10 14:35:54 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:35:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805100735x687e2fb0n9249b2f47f60226c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...

Or a modified yum or RPM that only appears to do verification. I agree
that we should at the very least suppose that the user verifies the
installation media.

As for DNS poisoning or hacking, that misery can potentially happen to
everyone, and a good manner to guard against this is relying on the
pre-installed key from media that was proven to be correct. So, I
think this should be the default behavior.

Take care,
Daniel


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sat May 10 22:16:12 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:16:12 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
Message-ID: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.

However, even then, there are several file types for which no
thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm

Regards
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	thunar-thumbnailers
Name: 		thunar-thumbnailers
Version: 	0.3.2
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Graphics
URL: 		http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/ristretto

Source: 	http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/%{name}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.9
BuildRequires: 	ImageMagick-devel >= 6.2.8.0

Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.9
Requires: 	ImageMagick >= 6.2.8.0

%description
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate previews of image and font files and can automatically use available GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
However, even then, there are several file types for which no thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall

%post
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-vfs-update-thumbnailers-cache-1

%postun
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :


%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README
%{_datadir}/mime/packages/%{name}.xml
%{_libexecdir}/*thumbnailer
%{_datadir}/thumbnailers/*.desktop

%changelog
* Sun Apr 11 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.3.2-1
- Initial package.
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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:30:04 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:30:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:46:25 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:25 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
Message-ID: <4826CE81.5010305@centos.org>

Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
>>
>> Description:
>> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
>> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
>> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
>> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
>>
>> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
>> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
>> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats.
>> Download: 
>> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
>>
> 
> Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

To answer my own question by reading the spec file :D ... for centos-5

I am currently building this and if all goes well, will include it in 
CentOS Extras.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 11:17:41 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 06:17:41 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Heiko,

Would you test these and see if they do what you want:

http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 12:11:01 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:11:01 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
Message-ID: <1210507861.6481.2.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Sonntag, den 11.05.2008, 06:17 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
> Heiko,
> 
> Would you test these and see if they do what you want:
> 
> http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/
IMHO they work as expected.
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 15:42:26 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:42:26 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: squeeze
Message-ID: <1210520546.9363.4.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the squeeze-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop
Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze
is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/squeeze-0.2.3-1.src.rpm

Regards,
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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# Authority: 	h.adams

Summary: 	Squeeze
Name: 		squeeze
Version: 	0.2.3
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Utilities
URL: 		http://squeeze.xfce.org

Source: 	http://squeeze.xfce.org/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	gtk2-devel >= 2.10
BuildRequires: 	libxfce4util-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	libxfcegui4-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	dbus-glib-devel >= 0.34
BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.8

Requires: 	gtk2 >= 2.10
Requires: 	libxfce4util >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	libxfcegui4 >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	dbus-glib >= 0.34
Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.8

%description
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall
%{__rm} %{buildroot}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache
%find_lang %{name}

%post
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%postun
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files -f %{name}.lang
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README TODO
%{_bindir}/%{name}
%{_includedir}/libsqueeze-0.2
%{_libdir}/*
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-archive-plugin/%{name}.tap
%{_datadir}/applications/%{name}.desktop
%{_datadir}/icons/*
%{_datadir}/locale/*
%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libsqueeze/*

%changelog
* Sat Apr 10 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.2.3-1
- Initial package.
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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 10:18:06 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:06 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
Message-ID: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Farkas Levente wrote:
>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 
>> are   boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>   
> 
> Can you post the panic?
> 
> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.

unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang 
at "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Tue May 13 10:48:40 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:48:40 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> >
> > Farkas Levente wrote:
> >
> > > mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Can you post the panic?
> >
> > It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
> >
>
>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.

Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 11:58:32 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:32 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
	<48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48298268.9000700@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>>> Farkas Levente wrote:
>>>
>>>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
>> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>>>
>>> Can you post the panic?
>>>
>>> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
>>>
>>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
>> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.
> 
> Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

at the same time it'd be useful to merge the fedora and centos spec 
files too (in kvm-68 i used a spec file based on fedora's spec).
the two main differences the bootmenu patch, bios, and the separate qemu 
package which is already in testing too.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Tue May 13 21:01:45 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:01:45 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
Message-ID: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
no error messages are shown.
Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2

Can anyone confirm this?
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 06:57:22 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:57:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
> webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
> The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
> no error messages are shown.
> Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2
> 
> Can anyone confirm this?

That's more or less the same for me. Using a Citrix Terminal Server with
web-interface. In the statusbar I get 'Start: applet not initialized.'.

I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(

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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 10:29:38 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:29:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
Message-ID: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Hello,

CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

Any thoughts?

Niels

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Wed May 14 11:12:30 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:12:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore
	with OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <1210763550.2702.0.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Mittwoch, den 14.05.2008, 08:57 +0200 schrieb Niels de Vos:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
> I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(
That sounds funny because the OpenJDK 1.6 JRE is the Sun-HRE :-)
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 14 15:16:37 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:16:37 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>

Niels de Vos wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
> the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
> the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
> only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
> think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

not really no.

There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with 
5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then 
take this issue up if it still needs attention

- KB


From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 15:21:51 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:21:51 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com> <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
Message-ID: <482B038F.6090908@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Niels de Vos wrote:
>> Is there any
>> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?
> 
> not really no.
> 
> There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with
> 5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then
> take this issue up if it still needs attention

Okay, I'll wait and see what comes :)

Thanks

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From rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za  Sat May 17 10:25:27 2008
From: rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za (Rabie Van der Merwe)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:25:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
Message-ID: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>


Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
are making there way into the mirrors.
I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
files:
lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml

I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.

Regards
Rabie van der Merwe
Infrastructure Architect

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From johnny at centos.org  Sat May 17 12:09:13 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:09:13 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
In-Reply-To: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
References: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
Message-ID: <482ECAE9.6030308@centos.org>

Rabie Van der Merwe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
> if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
> are making there way into the mirrors.
> I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
> 'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
> 'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
> am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
> files:
> lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml
> 
> I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.
> 

This is now correct ... should trickle down soon.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 17 13:56:56 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:56:56 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS as a project ?
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910804241203j220814fw84262208d486d34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4810EFEA.8090102@karan.org> <20080425100044.GT19680@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060207x36573bd8s2ec41cf7bf0fb666@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506092127.GA36631@br-online.de>
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Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> > That was *why* I CCed Gideon, as I didn't want to ask Alain if he wanted
> > to take the lead while your brother "officially" had that before.
> 
> I finally got a hold of him wrt this subject, and he is ok with
> passing on the hat. It suits him more to toss in artwork when he has
> time, but his schedule does not allow him to actively lead this.

Lucky you. So Alain - do you want to take the lead in the Artwork SIG?
We then could do an announcement on centos-devel/user, create a project
on projects.centos.org and maybe create a mailing list for that.

http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Artwork - there already is a
page on the wiki for that. Do you want something added to that before
the announcement (except exchange Gideon and you)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 11:54:10 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:54:10 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
random order) :

- Update the content of the slides (and translate them)

I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
the slides updated. So speak up :-)

- Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

- Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)

When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
changing desktops.

So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 12:23:10 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:10 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836B72E.1040901@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

Considering no one else can, this one is mine.

- KB


From orkcu at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 12:26:08 2008
From: orkcu at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roger_Pe=F1a?=)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <761494.58651.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Fri, 5/23/08, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
> To: "The CentOS developers mailing list." <centos-devel at centos.org>
> Received: Friday, May 23, 2008, 7:54 AM
> Hi,
> 
> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release
> of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These
> are (in
> random order) :
> 
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have
> changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we
> would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

there is a list for this kind of things (translations), so just use it :-)
centos-es is ready for that ;-)

cu
roger


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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 12:26:17 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:26:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

> So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
> to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
{0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
a few weeks ago.

A grep over my complete file system is running now, to see where this
string is mentioned.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:13:54 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:13:54 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into 
anaconda this time.

> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
> a few weeks ago.

ok, I can do that now.

- KB


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 13:21:22 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
Message-ID: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>
> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
> anaconda this time.

I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
can be gotten a hold of ...

>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>> a few weeks ago.
>
> ok, I can do that now.

As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
package. 

If I understand it correctly, then
/usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
ntp servers.

If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
/usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
more than upstream does, as that only contains 

server 0.pool.ntp.org 

lines.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:23:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:23:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
Message-ID: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>

ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2

Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog 
and mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the 
packages into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.

this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be 
enough ?

- KB


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:43:02 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2
>
> Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog and
> mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the packages
> into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.
>
> this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be enough
> ?

My feeling is that 6 days is going to be to short especially when some
of us are going to be at Linuxtag between the 28th and the 31th.

10 days sounds like a more reasonable estimate to me. But it will also
depend on how much issues we find. It can go faster but it can also go
slower.

Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 14:36:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

- KB


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 14:53:54 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org> <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
>> anaconda this time.
> 
> I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
> changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
> can be gotten a hold of ...
> 
>>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>>> a few weeks ago.
>> ok, I can do that now.
> 
> As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
> package. 
> 
> If I understand it correctly, then
> /usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
> startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
> ntp servers.
> 
> If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
> /usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
> more than upstream does, as that only contains 
> 
> server 0.pool.ntp.org 

My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It 
seems weird to me that it isn't.


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John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 14:59:33 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:59:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>

John Summerfield wrote:
> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
> seems weird to me that it isn't.

Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
ntpd.

Ralph
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From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:17:58 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:17:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:
>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
>> seems weird to me that it isn't.
> 
> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
> ntpd.
> 

I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
with a different setting.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell at gmail.com


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:19 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

As this has slept in a bit and I'm still not too sure if it really is a
good idea (but I'm leaning towards it), I try to rephrase (should,
should not, must, must not as in RFC 2119):

- Jobs must have to do with CentOS
- List must be moderated
- Job offers must not just include links to other sites (meaning: Job
  offers must include full details)
- Foreign language mails are okay, as long as an english explanation is
  also in that mail
- Job offers should include Country and if applicable City in the
  subject
- There will be no discussion on that list
- There will be no Reply-To: for discussions on other lists
- List Reply-To: will be set to sender (so that you can answer directly)

Anything I missed?

Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:54 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de> <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523152054.GO6029@br-online.de>

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for  
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or  
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override  
> with a different setting.

I wasn't talking about any functionality changes here.

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:25:13 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:25:13 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230825x3415436ek9142a916a1b9e895@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
...snip...
>
> Anything I missed?

I don't hink so.

> Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Yep, just give it a go and see what happens.

> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

I don't think it will be a high volume list but I'm willing to help if
it is to much work.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 15:33:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:33:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
	<4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. 
>>> It  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>
>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>> ntpd.
>>
> 
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
> with a different setting.
> 
Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a 
goose of myself again.

I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, 
but I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by 
my dhcp server. Even on C4.

I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the 
DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what 
I had in mind.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From me at danieldk.org  Fri May 23 16:40:52 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:40:52 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805230940l7ca392demdb4b856a9abda4b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Correct.

Take care,
Daniel


From smooge at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:00:02 2008
From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:00:02 -0600
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de> <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
	<4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <80d7e4090805231000i502c297cwa9203f1344256cd4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM, John Summerfield
<debian at herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>>
>>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It
>>>>  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>>
>>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>>> ntpd.
>>>
>>
>> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for
>> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or less
>> like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override with a
>> different setting.
>>
> Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a goose
> of myself again.
>

It shouldn't be ignored out of the box.. my system got an updated ntp
but I am not sure if I changed it later. I will have to do a reinstall
to make sure... but it looks like its not ignoring.

> I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, but
> I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by my dhcp
> server. Even on C4.
>

Thats weird. I need to check my boxes again.

> I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the
> DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what I
> had in mind.
>

Thats a bit more of a change.. I think it would need to be an upstream
change first.


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:36:20 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:20 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
<tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>
> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
> changing desktops.

Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
image is:

http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug

Akemi


From centos-devel at centos.org  Fri May 23 18:24:41 2008
From: centos-devel at centos.org (VIAGRA ® Official Site)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
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From unfies at gmail.com  Fri May 23 18:30:55 2008
From: unfies at gmail.com (Will Langford)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:55 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
Message-ID: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...

j/k :)

-Will


From dag at centos.org  Sat May 24 08:43:00 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:43:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Tim Verhoeven wrote:

> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
> random order) :
>
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
>
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
  - Explain where to get documentation
  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
  - ...

Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could 
improve ?


> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)
>
> By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
> currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
> connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

When doing this on CentOS 5.1 in a kickstart file (repo directive) it 
would fail because of the wrong package order. One of the first things 
that needs to be installed is glibc (because of ldconfig) and coreutils 
but it didn't go first and 100% packages simply failed to install.

I didn't debug this, maybe the updates repo needed some special tweaking ?


-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 24 10:13:08 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:13:08 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

Maybe a tad late now? Especially if we think about translations.

>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>  - Explain where to get documentation
>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>  - ...

There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
things above.

> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
> improve ?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Sat May 24 10:30:14 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:30:14 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>
>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>> changing desktops.
> 
> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
> image is:
> 
> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug


Thanks,

I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 24 13:19:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:19:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805240619v1505fd11s54007051c63951e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
>> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>>
>>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>>> changing desktops.
>>
>> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
>> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
>> image is:
>>
>> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug
>
> Thanks,
>
> I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq

Surely.  Thanks.

Akemi


From mouss at netoyen.net  Sat May 24 19:30:47 2008
From: mouss at netoyen.net (mouss)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:30:47 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
	<2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48386CE7.5020307@netoyen.net>

Will Langford wrote:
> I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...
>
>   

I didn't know that <centos-devel at centos.org> was a member of this list...

Is there any reason to accept such junk (From: containing 
centos-devel at centos.org. or even *@centos.org if the submitter isn't in 
this domain)?


From postoffice at mailhub.owlriver.net  Sun May 25 11:41:03 2008
From: postoffice at mailhub.owlriver.net (postoffice at mailhub.owlriver.net)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 07:41:03 -0400
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The original message was received at 2008-05-25 07:37:43 -0400
from postoffice.local [10.0.0.1]

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From hoschi at mouhaha.de  Sun May 25 22:44:04 2008
From: hoschi at mouhaha.de (Oliver Peter)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:44:04 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
Message-ID: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>

Hi,

I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.

If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
not hesitate to contact me.

Bye

O.

-- 
Oliver PETER, email: hoschi at mouhaha.de, ICQ# 113969174
"Worker bees can leave.  Even drones can fly away.
                         The Queen is their slave."
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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 06:46:40 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:46:40 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>   
>>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>>  - Explain where to get documentation
>>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>>  - ...
>>     
>
> There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
> things above.
>   

The are currently 9 images in the anaconda rnotes directory for each
language, 01 -- 09.
Can we have e.g. 10-centos-release-cycle, 11-centos-extra etc. or something?

Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Ruomu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 08:41:40 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:41:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Exactly.

Ralph
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Mon May 26 09:18:36 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:18:36 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A806C.508@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
>> improve ?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

I don't have any editing rights there, don't need them either if this
mail is read ;)

My advice for the 05-centos5-centosplus.png would be to change the URL
to <http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories>. The wiki is very helpful and
this link is much easier to remember. On the wiki-page CentOSPlus is the
first repository mentioned, so this even fits to the contents of the slide.

Cheers,
Niels

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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 09:34:35 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:34:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
	<483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com> <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>   
>> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
>> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
>>     

I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Romu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 09:59:38 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:59:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
	<20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de> <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526095938.GY6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Ruomu Hu wrote:
> >   
> >> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> >> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
> >>     
> 
> I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
> there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Good.

Please wait for a call for translation for the Release Notes of CentOS
5.2 (which should go out today to this list).

There is no real chance to do new slides for 5.2, but I put that on my
ToDo list for 5.3. But: It would be great if you could translate our
Release Notes which live on http://wiki.centos.org/ (more details
follow).

What you can do now is register yourself a wiki account there
(FirstnameLastname, please) and tell me when you did so.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:39:00 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:39:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Volunteering for CentOS
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

   I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
  and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could help
with. I could help with testing and recompiling
  the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work you
need help with thats within my abilities, I
-- 
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:44:46 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:44:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>

Hello
>
>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me


Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
to help you

Best wishes,
                  Jordan

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From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:30:01 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:00:01 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155494980805270130q23098ca3s3b46c79871029dd9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
        I am glad to join with you CentOS devs and testers. I am ready to
spend my hours for centos testing. I am sure i may help you a little. I will
be glad to hlep you like Jordan Evans. :)

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best to help you
>
> Best wishes,
>                   Jordan
>
>
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:32:19 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:32:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
> to help you

Hi Jordan,

Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
(http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
projects) and a ToDo section.

I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
what you think.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 09:02:04 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:02:04 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
In-Reply-To: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
References: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270202x106dd106p26679531260b9442@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Oliver Peter <hoschi at mouhaha.de> wrote:
>
> I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
> release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.
>
> If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
> not hesitate to contact me.

Hi Oliver,

Thank you for your interest in helping. We are a bit to far in the QA
process at the moment to include you at the moment. But keep an eye
this mailinglist for future announcements and requests for testers. If
you like you can check out the CentOS wiki (http://wiki.centos.org)
and have a look at the different projects and the ToDo list. Maybe you
can find some you are interested in there and can help out that way.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Tue May 27 22:58:11 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:58:11 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> >> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
> >>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> >> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
> >>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> >> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> >> --
> >> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
> >
> > Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best
> > to help you
>
> Hi Jordan,
>
> Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
> following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
> CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
> (http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
> projects) and a ToDo section.
>
> I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
> what you think.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83
>
> Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
> "microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
> (Linus Torvalds)
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi Tim,

    I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
on it.

                                               Best wishes,
                                                                Jordan

-- 
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 07:58:17 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:58:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280058v43c143bfp15579e55b6adaf5f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
> that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
> on it.
>

Very nice that you find some projects you like. Normally the people
responsable for those projects will respond to your mail. If not mail
again to centos-devel and say explicitly that you would like to help
on a certain project. Also, some people are busy so it may take a
couple of days for them to respond.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 08:55:31 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:55:31 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
Message-ID: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>

Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
 a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
to organise it on a ongoing basis.

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:09:13 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:13 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Karan,
                  I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
wrote:

> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>
> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>



-- 
Regards,
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From aim.prabhat at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:50:34 2008
From: aim.prabhat at gmail.com (prabhat kumar)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 04:50:34 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebca8da00805280450j6c45f01bv77ea43821e4558e3@mail.gmail.com>

I also want to contribute something, since I am using CentOS from past 2
year.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:09 AM, KarthiKeyan <karthixinbox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Karan,
>                   I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
> procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
>> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
>> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
>> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
>> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>>
>> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
>> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>>
>> --
>> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
>> _______________________________________________
>> CentOS-devel mailing list
>> CentOS-devel at centos.org
>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Karthi Keyan
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


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From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 14:11:19 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:11:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jordan,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;).

I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
head, the most urgent things:

- Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
- Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
which is slow ;).
- Add RSS feeds.
- Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
latest).

The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
get peer-review).

Take care,
Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:04:23 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:04:23 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Hi,

I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
current pacakges in the testing repo.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 15:42:17 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:42:17 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.

I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.

Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
Fail would be good.

> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
> current pacakges in the testing repo.

I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

- KB


From woboyle at ieee.org  Wed May 28 16:26:52 2008
From: woboyle at ieee.org (William Boyle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
Message-ID: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>

I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

William Boyle
Application Frameworks and Systems, Inc.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 17:17:54 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:54 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281017r997b192s69e7ec208dc292c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:

> Hi Jordan,
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> > that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my
> python
> > ;).
>
> I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
> thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
> Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
> There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
> head, the most urgent things:
>
> - Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
> - Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
> record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
> which is slow ;).
> - Add RSS feeds.
> - Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
> parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
> we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
> latest).
>
> The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
> work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
> tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
> get peer-review).
>
> Take care,
> Daniel
>  _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi

After I brush up on my python and learn the Django web framework, I would
like to try to get a demo working and get the changelog thing sorted out,
but that won't be for a couple days.

       Cheers
                 Jordan
-- 
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From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:00:36 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:00:36 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>

Developers,

Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz

Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png

Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
Could someone help on that ?

Thanks,
al.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:13:48 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:43:48 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281113h493cc11dlabf39b7658f99e1a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado <
alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:

> Developers,
>
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think
> ?
>
> LoginScreen:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
>
> Wallpaper:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
>
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
>
> Thanks,
> al.
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi,

    The wallpaper looks really nice, it looks pretty modern and it doesn't
distract
    away from anything

Good job,

              Jordan

-- 
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From hrbac.conf at seznam.cz  Wed May 28 18:56:15 2008
From: hrbac.conf at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgSHJiw6HEjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:56:15 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>

Alain Reguera Delgado napsal(a):
> Developers,
> 
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
> 
> Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
> 
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> al.

Alain,
it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version. Anyway, the wall 
paper looks pretty fine.
Regards,
David Hrb??


From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 19:22:34 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:34 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:
...
> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.

Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.

What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Thanks,
al.

From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 19:47:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alain,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
<alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
of an order) is a bit distracting.

Take care,
Daniel


From lystor at lystor.org.ua  Wed May 28 21:47:19 2008
From: lystor at lystor.org.ua (Nikolay Ulyanitsky)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:47:19 +0300
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212011239.4856.0.camel@lystor.users.home.lystor.org.ua>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:22 -0400, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Width / height = 16 / 10


-- 
Nikolay Ulyanitsky <lystor at lystor.org.ua>



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:22:29 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:29 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDB25.7020108@uoregon.edu>


Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:.
>> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.
> 
> Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
> various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.
> 
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

I think he means for widescreen displays, which are getting more and more 
popular. Common resolutions are 1280x800, 1440x900, 1920x1200. You can 
probably google for a better list, but those are the big three I think.

-Brandon


From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:25:00 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:25:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> of an order) is a bit distracting.

Someone's a little OCD :)

I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png

-Brandon


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Thu May 29 00:15:15 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:15:15 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483DF593.2080303@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.
> 
> I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
> details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
> responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
> or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
> people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
> they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
> expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.
> 
> Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
> details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
> to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
> be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
> they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
> Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
> Fail would be good.
> 
>> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
>> current pacakges in the testing repo.
> 
> I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
> there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
> the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

If those packages are travelling together, then they should stay 
together. However, if new cft appears without its companions, and gets 
no testing, it's hard to justify its promotion.

And this is just testing, deleting it here doesn't mean it vanishes from 
the target repo.
> 
> The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

Always, it's communication.

I think email should _always_ go out, even if the builder doesn't intend 
it to be promoted. If there's a point to putting it into the repo, it's 
to share it, and if you want people to use it you have to tell them.

The email must contain a summary of what's changed, and a summary of 
what the package does. If I don't use it now, tell me why I might want to!

A lot of package descriptions are next to incomprehensible. Take this, 
from F9:
FAAD 2 is a LC, MAIN and LTP profile, MPEG2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder, 
completely
written from scratch.

This package contains libfaad.


Better, something like "FAAD 2" decodes various (generic description of 
just what MAIN, LTP etc are), including (name them) and is used for/by ....

If they're used by Amorok and I know I use that, then I know maybe I 
should be interested in this.

The email might link to a wiki, but don't expect users to use the wiki 
to decide whether it's something they should test.

I presume that these announcements would amount to quite a bit of email, 
maybe enough to seriously change the nature of this list should they 
come here.

You might consider a new list, maybe "updates-announcements" where these 
announcements go, and that responses be directed to this list. This list 
might help where/if there are different packagers on different 
platforms: Joe builds on IA32, Fred sees he needs to build on zSeries 
and Freda on Power.

Seed it with members of this list, it's little different from just 
sending mail here, and gives users of this list the ability to opt out. 
This would ensure there's a decent number of eyeballs seeing its 
contents from day one.

The list description for the new list would recommend also subscribing 
to this list, but I don't think everyone will want to.

The description of this list should be updated to recommend new 
subscribers also subscribe to updates-announcements so as to keep 
abreast of threatened changes. Again, not everyone will want to.

If there's a formal test procedure for a particular package, then this 
should be described in its wiki document. I imagine some packages - gcc, 
postgresql for example - might have established test cases to run, and 
others might be added as new bugs are reported and resolved.




-- 

Cheers
John

-- spambait
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-- Advice
http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

You cannot reply off-list:-)


From subsolar at subsolar.com  Thu May 29 00:23:04 2008
From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
Message-ID: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:25 -0700, Brandon Davidson wrote:
> Daniel de Kok wrote:
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> > <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> > 
> > Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> > of an order) is a bit distracting.
> 
> Someone's a little OCD :)
> 
> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> -Brandon

Like that one much more personally.

Paul



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Thu May 29 00:32:25 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
	<1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
Message-ID: <483DF999.1060504@uoregon.edu>

Paul wrote:
>> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
>> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> Like that one much more personally.


I too favor the 'streams and lines' ones (either horizontal or vertical) over 
the others. They remind me of a stream of bubbles in water... odd, box-shaped 
bubbles :) The one with the tiled logo is particularly busy and would, I 
think, get on my nerves.

-Brandon


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Thu May 29 07:42:34 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:34 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
In-Reply-To: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805290042p2434dae2sfcd3aac63cb60c88@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM, William Boyle <woboyle at ieee.org> wrote:
> I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
> and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
> boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
> necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

Hi William,

We currently have enough testers for the 5.2 release. But I'll keep
your name in the back of my head if we need more help. We appriciate
that you are willing to volunteer. If you would like it, there are
some other things for which we could use more people. So if you are
interrested in let us know.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Thu May 29 09:19:49 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:19:49 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483E7535.2080008@karan.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.


I tried to implement some of the stuff I wrote in my previous email -
implement on the wiki that is, and its too much work getting all the
stuff together. And its 'too much' enough, to make it something that
most people wont bother with, it raises the barrier too far.

Perhaps a php or python+django or Rails hosted app that can manage this
for us would be good. Anyone fancy a shot ?

I can work with Tim and get some sort of a specification up...

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Thu May 29 19:49:56 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:49:56 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
Message-ID: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello all..

I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/

But where can I find the source?

Thanks...Paul...




From jeff at osuosl.org  Fri May 30 00:08:04 2008
From: jeff at osuosl.org (Jeff Sheltren)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:08:04 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>

On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:

> Hello all..
>
> I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
>
> But where can I find the source?
>
> Thanks...Paul...

I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec

Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...

-Jeff


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Fri May 30 03:11:58 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:11:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <1212117118.3635.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks..  I was already building using the version from dev.centos.org
(buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm), so I didn't want to
deviate too much.

At any rate, I've discovered that the latest buildsys-build spec
"template" is available in the git repo for mock.  Strange that I don't
see it in the latest mock .tar.gz release though.

I queried the CentOS version (rpm -qp --requires
buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm 2>/dev/null | sort) and
discovered the diff between it and the latest from git:  CentOS requires
'python' where the latest version from the mock git repo does not.  The
git version requires 'buildsys-macros' where the CentOS version does
not.

Looking at /etc/mock/epel-5-i386.cfg on my Fedora 9 install, I found
that 'buildsys-macros' RPM and SRPM could be found here:
http://buildsys.fedoraproject.org/buildgroups/rhel5/i386/

Now I know what I'm dealing with, but this would have been a whole lot
easier to figure out if the CentOS SRPM had been available..  :(

Cheers...Paul...

-------

P.S....

Browse the mock git repo here to find buildsys-build.spec.template:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser

Browse previous .spec versions (before buildsys-build.spec was renamed
to buildsys-build.spec.template):
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/log/buildsys-build.spec?rev=1c14b3c9b6fcbad867afbb7cc09ec5d91cf9e642

Looks like this version (0.5-4) is closest to the centos rpm version
wise:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser/buildsys-build.spec?rev=04580c1234b74957e25d490993e74095ae218d5d



On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:08 -0700, Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> Sender: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> Errors-To: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> X-Spam: exempt
> X-MAIL-FROM: <centos-devel-bounces at centos.org>
> X-SOURCE-IP: [72.21.40.12]
> 
> On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > Hello all..
> >
> > I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> > http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
> >
> > But where can I find the source?
> >
> > Thanks...Paul...
> 
> I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
> http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec
> 
> Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...
> 
> -Jeff
> _______________________________________________
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> CentOS-devel at centos.org
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From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:12:45 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:45 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-52.EL
Message-ID: <483F7EBD.20509@ict.swin.edu.au>

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be 
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be 
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:41:53 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:41:53 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <483F8591.8030606@ict.swin.edu.au>

(I am sending this message again with the correct subject).

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin


From tru at centos.org  Fri May 30 10:20:02 2008
From: tru at centos.org (Tru Huynh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:20:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <20080530102002.GC13736@sillage.bis.pasteur.fr>

Thanks to John Newbigin the new GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are
now available.

http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

i386:
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm

Best regards,

Tru
-- 
Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance)
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBEFA581B
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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 30 11:53:46 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:53:46 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
> 
> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From ned at unixmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 12:31:48 2008
From: ned at unixmail.co.uk (Ned Slider)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:31:48 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <483FF3B4.9070004@unixmail.co.uk>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 
> 
> 

You could check the developers blogs at:

http://planet.centos.org/

Specifically Tim's posting from May 23, 2008.



From csieh at fnal.gov  Fri May 30 16:15:37 2008
From: csieh at fnal.gov (Connie Sieh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org> <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>

On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>> 
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>

There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/

There should be x86_64 version available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64

soon.

-Connie Sieh
>
>
>


From rayvd at bludgeon.org  Fri May 30 16:30:47 2008
From: rayvd at bludgeon.org (Ray Van Dolson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:30:47 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
Message-ID: <20080530163046.GA16730@bludgeon.org>

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:15:37AM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:
>
>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>>
>>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>>
>> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
>> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
>> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>>
>
> There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/
>
> There should be x86_64 version available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64
>
> soon.
>
> -Connie Sieh

To the parent poster.. if you're just wanting to test for better
graphics support, why not use an eval copy of RHEL 5.2 vs an Alpha of
SL?

(If you're needing to test *now* vs in a week or two)

Ray


From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 30 18:10:02 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:10:02 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <484042FA.6030403@gmail.com>

John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 

Can you be more specific as to what you consider "adequate support for 
graphics"?

-- 
   Les Mikesell
     lesmikesell at gmail.com



From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Sat May 31 14:39:21 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:39:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS Forums again
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805310739n79ea479y760eecf6159929bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Having some time to do stuff for CentOS here at LinuxTag I've also
being building FreeIPA packages for CentOS. The idea that this will be
core part of a central authentication system. Meaning that you will
only need 1 account that you can use to login into the website, forum,
wiki, bugtracker, systems, ...

IMHO the most important system that needs to be attached to the
central auth database are the forums. There are a lot of users there
(and a lot of content). So I was thinking, why not fix 2 things at the
same time. Migrate from the old forum to the new forum that is linked
to the central auth system. And then later on couple the other
existing apps to it.

My feeling is that the most productive way to get forward with the
website/forum update is to split the forum from the website. In my
experience the forum present in CMS tools aren't made for the amount
of traffic we are having. So something dedicated sound like a better
option. So I have been looking around for open source forum software
that link to ldap without to much effort. I've looked at 3 projects
(Phorum, phpBB and SMF). They all 3 are good looking, well featured
and maintained. Though, only phpBB has a decent built-in LDAP
integration (FreeIPA is built on top of LDAP).

So my proposal is to setup a FreeIPA instance, link it with phpBB and
try to migrate a part of the current forums and see how all that
works. And if it looks good migrate to that.

So what do people think, did I miss stuff, other suggestions, ...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  2 04:55:33 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:55:33 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] xorg 7.2 on CentOS5
In-Reply-To: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <481A9EC5.4090607@herakles.homelinux.org>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Has anyone built xorg 7.2 for C5, or have handy hints on how it might be 
> done?
> 

"Too much trouble," I decided. Had to pull in too many dependencies, and 
by the time PolicyKit and ConsoleKit got included, it wasn't much like 
RHEL5-clone any more.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Fri May  2 17:19:21 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:19:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM

are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be 
found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Fri May  2 22:10:03 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:10:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.

I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
5.2 is released anyway.

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Sat May  3 11:19:59 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:19:59 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
>> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.
> 
> I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
> there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
> libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
> whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
> 5.2 is released anyway.

afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one 
version behind the current libvirt is far away.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 10:16:05 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:16:05 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
	<481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050316s6c3ace87rfb719a47acdecfe3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farkas,

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one
> version behind the current libvirt is far away.

Let's wait until 5.2 is out. When it is, could you create a list of
features (if any) that we absolutely need, and that are not in libvirt
included in 5.2? If there is a strong case for it (e.g. absence of
proper KVM support), we could look into providing it in CentOS-plus.

Take care,
Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May  5 12:47:54 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 20:47:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
Message-ID: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>

Hi,

I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
I need a respin dist (all updates included).

I wrote a script to generate my CentOS5-respin. My CentOS5 tree is at
/centos/5, it is rsynced with a Taiwan mirror daily. My generated
CentOS5 tree is placed at /centos/5-respin.

The generation of CentOS5-respin by my script runs fine, but the
generated CentOS5-respin tree has a problem: During network installation
using this CentOS5-respin tree, when it gets rpm installation, it always
complains "The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm cannot
be opened.". In the text console, the error message is "Failed to get
http://myserver/centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm".
Anaconda should look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/CentOS, but
it actually looks for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64.

Any ideas?
It would be nice if anyone could point me to some useful docs.

Thanks!
Ruomu

P.S. Here's my script:

#!/bin/bash
#
# gen_respin_distro
#
# To use this script, the following rpms need to installed first:
# anaconda
# anaconda-help
# anaconda-runtime
# busybox-anaconda ?
# bogl
# booty
# netpbm
# netpbm-progs
# mkisofs

#TODO
# 1. Should we use pkgorder? If yes, when?
# 2. Do we need to run pkgorder before buildinstall?
# 3. Do we need to run createrepo? Buildinstall seems to calls it.
# 4. Why does it look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64?


# Check tools
rpmmerge=`dirname "$0"`/rpmmerge
if [ ! -x "$rpmmerge" ]; then
echo "$rpmmerge does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
createrepo="/usr/bin/createrepo"
if [ ! -x "$createrepo" ]; then
echo "$createrepo does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
buildinstall="/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/buildinstall"
if [ ! -x "$buildinstall" ]; then
echo "$buildinstall does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi

# Set variables and functions
src="/centos/5"
dest="/centos/5-respin"
distro="CentOS"
arch="x86_64"
version="5"
product="CentOS"
release="Respin"
prodpath="CentOS"
eval_retval()
{
test $? -ne 0 && exit 1
}

# Merge rpms
echo -e "*** Merge rpms ***\n"
$rpmmerge $src/os/$arch/$distro $src/updates/$arch/RPMS
$dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval

# Create repo data
echo -e "\n*** Create repo data ***\n"
#cp -al $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml $dest/os/$arch/$distro
#eval_retval
$createrepo -q -g $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml -c $dest/os/$arch/cache \
-o $dest/os/$arch $dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval
#rm -f $dest/os/$arch/$distro/comps.xml
#eval_retval

# Run buildinstall
export PYTHONPATH="/usr/lib/anaconda"
echo -e "\n*** Buildinstall ***\n"
sudo $buildinstall \
--pkgorder "$dest/os/$arch/pkgorder.txt" \
--version $version \
--product $product \
--release $release \
--prodpath $prodpath \
$dest/os/$arch
eval_retval

exit 0


From mattdm at mattdm.org  Mon May  5 13:56:53 2008
From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:53 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
> I need a respin dist (all updates included).

Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
packages already installed.

-- 
Matthew Miller           mattdm at mattdm.org          <http://mattdm.org/>
Boston University Linux      ------>              <http://linux.bu.edu/>


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:23:46 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:23:46 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
Message-ID: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>

Developers, developers, developers ...

We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
<http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
editorial staff.

(Note: We can still discuss about that)

What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:

- Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
- should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
  one person)
- Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
  weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
  schemes. 
- Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
  about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
  way for quick and lasting flame fests)

And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
that list (or at least help with that)?

Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
offerings.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:26:07 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:07 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080505152607.GL9139@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? 
                                            ^at
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From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Mon May  5 15:57:46 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:57:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>

I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).

Example:

* The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
* Specific skills needed should appear on the email.

That's just my twenty cents.

- Scott

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...
>
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
>
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
>
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
>
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
>
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
>
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
>
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>   



From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 15:52:33 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...

I love this project!

>  - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)

People who want to apply for a job should know how to handle Google
:). Additionally, I think it normally only useful to skim through the
job offers of the last one or two months.

>  - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)

Yes.

>  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes.

I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

>  - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)

No, it does not serve a purpose. If someone want to follow up on an
offer, they can do so via private mail.

>  And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
>  vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
>  Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
>  that list (or at least help with that)?

Other projects have comparable lists, and they are great. Sometimes
the offers are too general, so, I am all in for moderation. I'd like
to help moderating.

-- Daniel


From amyagi at gmail.com  Mon May  5 16:06:56 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:06:56 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
>  >  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>  >   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>  >   schemes.
>
>  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
and accepted or would it be rejected?

http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

Akemi


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:16 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:16 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
> and accepted or would it be rejected?
> 
> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:41 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:41 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>

Scott Grizzard wrote:
> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> 
> Example:
> 
> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.

What about the country? =:D

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:21:31 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:21:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050921k5ac8ac62i73de77e7c3fcc3ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Akemi Yagi <amyagi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
>  >  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  >  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.
>
>  As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>  CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>  and accepted or would it be rejected?
>  http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

I would reject it:

- It does note state where CentOS is involved.
- It is not clear whether the company wants to hire a person full
time, or wants to make use of consulting services.
- What prior experience is required? What qualifications?
(- How about salary/benefits?)

I think this is a good example what a job offer could look like:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-jobs/2006/07/21/0000.html

-- Daniel


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:32:00 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:32:00 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Scott Grizzard wrote:
> > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
> 
> What about the country? =:D

Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:41:06 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:41:06 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>  > Scott Grizzard wrote:
>  > > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>  > > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>  > >
>  > > Example:
>  > >
>  > > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>  >
>  > What about the country? =:D
>
>  Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
>  allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
>  at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Yes. If an offer is purely in a foreign language, it's probably better
off on one of the non-English lists after an acknowledgement of the
list moderator. I have only once received such request for the Dutch
list.

-- Daniel
-- Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:43:31 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:43:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805051143n51ebcc35pa928ed915da7d981@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've got no real comments based on what was already said. I just want
to say it is a good idea.

What maybe is a option is to post the rules and some sort of template
on the wiki and refer to that when people want to post something.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Mon May  5 21:59:16 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:59:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>

On Mon, 5 May 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Scott Grizzard wrote:
>>> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>>> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>>
>> What about the country? =:D
>
> Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
> allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
> at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

I took that to ask if the country/location as well as the city should be 
required in the subject rather than what language the text might happen to 
be in.

For example a job offer in the city of 'Cambridge' might be in one of 
several places... :-)

Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.

  -- Jon

[ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]


From rwalker at medallion.com  Mon May  5 22:01:57 2008
From: rwalker at medallion.com (Ross S. W. Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:01:57 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> 
> Developers, developers, developers ...
> 
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
> 
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
> 
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
> 
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
> 
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
> 
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
> 
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.

A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
and recruitment firms.

Just my .02 

-Ross

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From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 22:13:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:13:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
<rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>  and recruitment firms.

Hence moderation ;).

-- Daniel


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:21:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:21:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
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Jon Peatfield wrote:

> Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
> should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
> their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
> accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.
> 
>  -- Jon
> 
> [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]

HEP?


It's not obvious to me that, should I be looking for someone to work on 
my CentOS project that I should restrict myself to people who are 
already involved in CentOS. Generally, I would think, people experienced 
in RHEL or SL would serve as well, and those familiar with other distros 
(Debian, SUSE) might bring fresh ideas.

I like the Shuttles technique - go on a holiday. Take archives of 
mailing lists. Evaluate peoples' skills, attitudes (eg how they deal 
with others)and ethics. Then, issue invitations.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:25:35 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:25:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>
>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
> 
> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect they're 
looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do. Maybe a 
smallbusiness person who does such things.

It doesn't look like enough work for one.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:32:00 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:32:00 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com> <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <481F98F0.3030101@herakles.homelinux.org>

Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
>> I need a respin dist (all updates included).
> 
> Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
> updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
> packages already installed.
> 
I'm with Matthew. If you do it on the road a lot, pack a laptop with the 
repos you want, dhcpd, tftp (run BIND too) installed and ready to start, 
a small switch and a few wires.And, maybe, a DVD and boot cd, just in case.

You can reconfigure as needed in %post and on first boot.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Tue May  6 00:48:49 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:48:49 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <20080506004849.GD25909@br-online.de>

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
> and recruitment firms.

So you want to apply for that database job which requires no oracle
knowledge but if you can bring in some cli experience (can you spell
${VARIABLE}?) we'd like to talk to you.
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From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Tue May  6 01:01:36 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:01:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F966A.2070204@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
	<481F966A.2070204@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805060151490.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

<snip>
>>  [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]
>
> HEP?

HEP == High Energy Physics (almost universally I thought).

It is just a job supporting computing in that group here (well ~50% of the 
time) so the actual meaning isn't very important.

The deadline for applications is today and it is a junior post so I doubt 
that many people reading this would be very interested.  If you are I'm 
sure that your advanced google-fu would let you find it pretty quickly ;-)

  -- Jon


From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Tue May  6 02:26:32 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:26:32 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
	<481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <CDD33788-469F-4C7B-87F0-E3C314331FA9@scottgrizzard.com>

You know what would be a good idea:

If you had a website that would parse various job postings on mailing  
lists, then categorize them by location, job type, etc. and post them  
on a craig's list type setting.  Hmmm........

Seriously, I think the job posting list is a great idea, no matter  
what form it takes.  I also think that having formatting guidelines  
for posting jobs is a good idea, so that people that subscribe can set  
up email filters that sort out the junk.

I think ease of setting up rules should be the primary motavation for  
the guidelines.

That would also take out some of the abuse potential, as humans would  
have to reformat the emails they are posting everywhere else for this  
mailing list.

-- Scott

PS: Anyone looking for an MA in economics with some mean centos and  
ubuntu skills?  He He He...

On May 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, John Summerfield wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>>
>>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
>> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
>> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.
>
> It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect  
> they're looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do.  
> Maybe a smallbusiness person who does such things.
>
> It doesn't look like enough work for one.
>
> -- 
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> -- spambait
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>
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From me at danieldk.org  Tue May  6 07:44:30 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:44:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
Message-ID: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
packaged.

Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
CentOS Wiki at:

http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories

The qemu package is named (surprise :)) 'qemu', and can be installed
after adding the testing repository:

yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install qemu

Thanks,
Daniel


From mark at foster.cc  Tue May  6 15:12:23 2008
From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:12:23 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48207557.6000501@foster.cc>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
> repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
> future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
> ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
> packaged.
>   

Wonderful!
Hopeful to see kqemu soon, too.
qemu + kqemu is great alternative to vmware* and for those of use who 
don't have vmx-capable hardware. So nice that vdisk created with 
qemu-img should be transportable between qemu & kvm.

-- 
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
Mark D. Foster, CISSP <mark at foster.cc>  http://mark.foster.cc/




From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 15:19:40 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 17:19:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>

there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
-----------------------------------------------------
# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "downloadonly" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
Reading repository metadata in from local files
0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for 
package: kmod-kvm
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed 
by package kmod-kvm
-----------------------------------------------------
you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
                                  ^^^
and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?


Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM
> 
> Akemi
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Wed May  7 15:50:46 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:50:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>  Setting up Install Process
>  Setting up repositories
>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>  Parsing package install arguments
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  --> Running transaction check
>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
> kmod-kvm
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
> package kmod-kvm
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>                                  ^^^
>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?

Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.

# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
(snip)
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check

Dependencies Resolved

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
 kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
c5-testing        701 k
 kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M

Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
Install      2 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove       0 Package(s)

-Akemi


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 16:36:58 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:36:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>>  Setting up Install Process
>>  Setting up repositories
>>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>>  Parsing package install arguments
>>  Resolving Dependencies
>>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  --> Running transaction check
>>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
>> kmod-kvm
>>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
>> package kmod-kvm
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>>                                  ^^^
>>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?
> 
> Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
> running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.
> 
> # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
> (snip)
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
> ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
> ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
> --> Running transaction check
> 
> Dependencies Resolved
> 
> =============================================================================
>  Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
> =============================================================================
> Installing:
>  kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
> c5-testing        701 k
>  kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M
> 
> Transaction Summary
> =============================================================================
> Install      2 Package(s)
> Update       0 Package(s)
> Remove       0 Package(s)

after remove the previous version then it's works otherwise not.
unfortunately the bigger problem kvm-66 is not working for us. the 
latest usable version was 62 (so we witch back to 62). our setup:
- host:
   - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
   - Intel S3000AHV
   - 8GB RAM
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-1:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 i386 32bit
- guest-2:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-3:
   - Mandrake-9
   - kernel-2.4.19.16mdk-1-1mdk 32bit
- guest-4:
   - Mandrake-10
   - kernel-2.6.14.2-p4-smp 32bit
- guest-5:
   - Windows XP Professional 32bit
mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are 
  boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Wed May  7 18:23:27 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:23:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805071123y6498134o9a17fb0dde295184@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

Could you give more information? E.g. what kind of error do you get
when the kernel panics?

-- Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Thu May  8 11:49:42 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:49:42 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
Message-ID: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>

Hi!

Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
there be any problems?

Thanks!

Ruomu


From kanarip at kanarip.com  Thu May  8 12:01:03 2008
From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:01:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
> there be any problems?
> 

Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;

No, you can't.

Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
 >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  9 04:59:08 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 12:59:08 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com> <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
Message-ID: <4823DA1C.2000305@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
>> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
>> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
>> there be any problems?
>>
> 
> Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
> compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;
> 
> No, you can't.
> 
> Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
>  >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
> looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

I suspect the code imbeds quite a deal of knowledge about what is being 
installed, too.


-- 

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From jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it  Fri May  9 08:40:56 2008
From: jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it (Marco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:40:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Backuppc 3.1.0
Message-ID: <305947.24643.qm@web27603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
i was looking for a backup system for small mixed
environment (linux and windows) to install on a centos
5.1 server and a tryed to use backuppc 3.1.0 from the
testing repository, mainly becouse I have already
succesfully used it in the past on a fedora server and
because it perfectly matches my requirements.

This is my expirience:

Before starting I carefully read this useful
documents:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2403
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=1299

http://marc.info/?l=centos-devel&m=117145576710647&w=2

The first installation worked fine: I configured the
repository in yum and I succesfully downloaded and
installed backuppc and all the dependecies.

I configured apache to run as backuppc user instead of
apache and the server 
started working.

The server on wich i'm running backuppc is a general
purpose server and it's not dedicated 
to the backup job, so for me is a big issue running
apache as the backuppc user.

Studying the above mentioned documentation I solved
the issue by this way:

1) I downloaded the SRPMS version of backuppc
2) I manually applied the modification suggested by
ScratchMonkey to the spec file (the diff file proposed
on the bug tracker didn't work out of the box becouse
it refers to a previus version of backuppc, but I was
easily able to manually apply the modification).
3) I recompiled the RPM and I succesfully installed
it.
4) I configured apache to work in suexec mode (using
the sample conf file published on the bug tracker).

The server is now working fine and I havan't any
performance issue on the web intrface (but i have very
few clients).

My suggestion is to use the suexec mode which I find
very easy to implement and without collateral effect
on other web application published from the same
apache server.

I hope this will help.

Marco




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From dag at centos.org  Fri May  9 10:37:57 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:37:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
> <rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>>  and recruitment firms.
>
> Hence moderation ;).

Jobs are only useful based on location, that means a particular job in 
Brussels may not appeal to 99% of the subscribers, and therefor the 
signal-to-noise ratio is very poor. (May be different for very short 
contract work items or simple support requests)

I would leave job-offerings to dedicated, specialised sites where people 
can search and put resumes online. But if we have people to volunteer for 
the moderation I do not object with an experiment :)

I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
required. Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:

 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May  9 12:11:58 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:11:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080509121158.GR9139@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
> required. 

It's not going to be that much of a task to moderate a few job postings.

> Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:
>
> 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
> 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

As it does for at least netbsd, as far as I know (one of their
developers is sitting a few desks away and we talked about that a little
bit).

Ralph
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From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 10 01:34:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:34:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805091834u2e9e5ccq4b6af62f0017b805@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> On Monday 25 February 2008, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> ...
>> > Johnny, could you let us know your reasons for wanting to point to the
>> > remote GPG key?
>>
>> We DON'T allow downloads of ISOs from centos.org servers due to
>> bandwidth considerations.  It would be fairly easy to put out an ISO
>> that had different RPMS and a different key.
>>
>> Granted, people CAN check the md5 and sha1 sum of the ISOs if they choose.
>>
>> Since we do control the content of every mirror.centos.org server, we
>> know that the key file is correct.  In order to make that key AND the
>> RPMS be bad, they need a doctored CD *AND* they need to hijack our
>> content by DNS poisoning or getting control of our servers.
>>
>> I just think if you are using the internet anyway, why not also get the
>> key from a known location.
>
> I agree that there's something intuitively right about that, but,
> unfortunately it's wrong :-)
>
> Here's why.
>
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...
>
> It will have to be up to the user to make sure (with our help, signed .isos,
> installers that check rpm signatures and stage2 signature) that he/she has an
> ok system. If they fail then they don't really run centos, they run haxx0r os
> and any attempt to validate anything inside that will fail.
>
> /Peter

This discussion has been dormant for a while...  With 5.2 just around
the corner, isn't it a good idea to wrap this up and reach some sort
of a conclusion?

Akemi


From me at danieldk.org  Sat May 10 14:35:54 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:35:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805100735x687e2fb0n9249b2f47f60226c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...

Or a modified yum or RPM that only appears to do verification. I agree
that we should at the very least suppose that the user verifies the
installation media.

As for DNS poisoning or hacking, that misery can potentially happen to
everyone, and a good manner to guard against this is relying on the
pre-installed key from media that was proven to be correct. So, I
think this should be the default behavior.

Take care,
Daniel


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sat May 10 22:16:12 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:16:12 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
Message-ID: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.

However, even then, there are several file types for which no
thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm

Regards
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	thunar-thumbnailers
Name: 		thunar-thumbnailers
Version: 	0.3.2
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Graphics
URL: 		http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/ristretto

Source: 	http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/%{name}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.9
BuildRequires: 	ImageMagick-devel >= 6.2.8.0

Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.9
Requires: 	ImageMagick >= 6.2.8.0

%description
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate previews of image and font files and can automatically use available GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
However, even then, there are several file types for which no thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall

%post
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-vfs-update-thumbnailers-cache-1

%postun
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :


%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README
%{_datadir}/mime/packages/%{name}.xml
%{_libexecdir}/*thumbnailer
%{_datadir}/thumbnailers/*.desktop

%changelog
* Sun Apr 11 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.3.2-1
- Initial package.
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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:30:04 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:30:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:46:25 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:25 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
Message-ID: <4826CE81.5010305@centos.org>

Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
>>
>> Description:
>> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
>> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
>> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
>> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
>>
>> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
>> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
>> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats.
>> Download: 
>> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
>>
> 
> Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

To answer my own question by reading the spec file :D ... for centos-5

I am currently building this and if all goes well, will include it in 
CentOS Extras.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 11:17:41 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 06:17:41 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Heiko,

Would you test these and see if they do what you want:

http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 12:11:01 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:11:01 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
Message-ID: <1210507861.6481.2.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Sonntag, den 11.05.2008, 06:17 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
> Heiko,
> 
> Would you test these and see if they do what you want:
> 
> http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/
IMHO they work as expected.
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 15:42:26 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:42:26 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: squeeze
Message-ID: <1210520546.9363.4.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the squeeze-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop
Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze
is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/squeeze-0.2.3-1.src.rpm

Regards,
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	Squeeze
Name: 		squeeze
Version: 	0.2.3
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Utilities
URL: 		http://squeeze.xfce.org

Source: 	http://squeeze.xfce.org/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	gtk2-devel >= 2.10
BuildRequires: 	libxfce4util-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	libxfcegui4-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	dbus-glib-devel >= 0.34
BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.8

Requires: 	gtk2 >= 2.10
Requires: 	libxfce4util >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	libxfcegui4 >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	dbus-glib >= 0.34
Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.8

%description
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall
%{__rm} %{buildroot}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache
%find_lang %{name}

%post
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%postun
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files -f %{name}.lang
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README TODO
%{_bindir}/%{name}
%{_includedir}/libsqueeze-0.2
%{_libdir}/*
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-archive-plugin/%{name}.tap
%{_datadir}/applications/%{name}.desktop
%{_datadir}/icons/*
%{_datadir}/locale/*
%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libsqueeze/*

%changelog
* Sat Apr 10 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.2.3-1
- Initial package.
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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 10:18:06 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:06 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
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Avi Kivity wrote:
> Farkas Levente wrote:
>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 
>> are   boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>   
> 
> Can you post the panic?
> 
> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.

unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang 
at "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Tue May 13 10:48:40 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:48:40 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
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On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> >
> > Farkas Levente wrote:
> >
> > > mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Can you post the panic?
> >
> > It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
> >
>
>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.

Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 11:58:32 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:32 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
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Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>>> Farkas Levente wrote:
>>>
>>>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
>> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>>>
>>> Can you post the panic?
>>>
>>> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
>>>
>>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
>> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.
> 
> Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

at the same time it'd be useful to merge the fedora and centos spec 
files too (in kvm-68 i used a spec file based on fedora's spec).
the two main differences the bootmenu patch, bios, and the separate qemu 
package which is already in testing too.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Tue May 13 21:01:45 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:01:45 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
Message-ID: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
no error messages are shown.
Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2

Can anyone confirm this?
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 06:57:22 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:57:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
> webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
> The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
> no error messages are shown.
> Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2
> 
> Can anyone confirm this?

That's more or less the same for me. Using a Citrix Terminal Server with
web-interface. In the statusbar I get 'Start: applet not initialized.'.

I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(

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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 10:29:38 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:29:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
Message-ID: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Hello,

CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

Any thoughts?

Niels

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Wed May 14 11:12:30 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:12:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore
	with OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <1210763550.2702.0.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Mittwoch, den 14.05.2008, 08:57 +0200 schrieb Niels de Vos:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
> I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(
That sounds funny because the OpenJDK 1.6 JRE is the Sun-HRE :-)
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 14 15:16:37 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:16:37 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>

Niels de Vos wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
> the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
> the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
> only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
> think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

not really no.

There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with 
5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then 
take this issue up if it still needs attention

- KB


From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 15:21:51 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:21:51 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com> <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
Message-ID: <482B038F.6090908@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Niels de Vos wrote:
>> Is there any
>> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?
> 
> not really no.
> 
> There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with
> 5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then
> take this issue up if it still needs attention

Okay, I'll wait and see what comes :)

Thanks

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From rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za  Sat May 17 10:25:27 2008
From: rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za (Rabie Van der Merwe)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:25:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
Message-ID: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>


Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
are making there way into the mirrors.
I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
files:
lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml

I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.

Regards
Rabie van der Merwe
Infrastructure Architect

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From johnny at centos.org  Sat May 17 12:09:13 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:09:13 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
In-Reply-To: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
References: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
Message-ID: <482ECAE9.6030308@centos.org>

Rabie Van der Merwe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
> if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
> are making there way into the mirrors.
> I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
> 'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
> 'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
> am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
> files:
> lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml
> 
> I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.
> 

This is now correct ... should trickle down soon.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 17 13:56:56 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:56:56 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS as a project ?
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910804241203j220814fw84262208d486d34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4810EFEA.8090102@karan.org> <20080425100044.GT19680@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060207x36573bd8s2ec41cf7bf0fb666@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506092127.GA36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060235o18287b2cx4b9cb2020fe5f93e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080517135656.GB31684@br-online.de>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> > That was *why* I CCed Gideon, as I didn't want to ask Alain if he wanted
> > to take the lead while your brother "officially" had that before.
> 
> I finally got a hold of him wrt this subject, and he is ok with
> passing on the hat. It suits him more to toss in artwork when he has
> time, but his schedule does not allow him to actively lead this.

Lucky you. So Alain - do you want to take the lead in the Artwork SIG?
We then could do an announcement on centos-devel/user, create a project
on projects.centos.org and maybe create a mailing list for that.

http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Artwork - there already is a
page on the wiki for that. Do you want something added to that before
the announcement (except exchange Gideon and you)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 11:54:10 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:54:10 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
random order) :

- Update the content of the slides (and translate them)

I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
the slides updated. So speak up :-)

- Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

- Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)

When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
changing desktops.

So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Regards,
Tim

-- 
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Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 12:23:10 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:10 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836B72E.1040901@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

Considering no one else can, this one is mine.

- KB


From orkcu at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 12:26:08 2008
From: orkcu at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roger_Pe=F1a?=)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <761494.58651.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Fri, 5/23/08, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
> To: "The CentOS developers mailing list." <centos-devel at centos.org>
> Received: Friday, May 23, 2008, 7:54 AM
> Hi,
> 
> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release
> of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These
> are (in
> random order) :
> 
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have
> changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we
> would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

there is a list for this kind of things (translations), so just use it :-)
centos-es is ready for that ;-)

cu
roger


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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 12:26:17 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:26:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

> So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
> to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
{0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
a few weeks ago.

A grep over my complete file system is running now, to see where this
string is mentioned.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:13:54 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:13:54 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into 
anaconda this time.

> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
> a few weeks ago.

ok, I can do that now.

- KB


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 13:21:22 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
Message-ID: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>
> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
> anaconda this time.

I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
can be gotten a hold of ...

>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>> a few weeks ago.
>
> ok, I can do that now.

As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
package. 

If I understand it correctly, then
/usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
ntp servers.

If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
/usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
more than upstream does, as that only contains 

server 0.pool.ntp.org 

lines.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:23:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:23:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
Message-ID: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>

ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2

Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog 
and mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the 
packages into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.

this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be 
enough ?

- KB


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:43:02 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2
>
> Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog and
> mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the packages
> into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.
>
> this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be enough
> ?

My feeling is that 6 days is going to be to short especially when some
of us are going to be at Linuxtag between the 28th and the 31th.

10 days sounds like a more reasonable estimate to me. But it will also
depend on how much issues we find. It can go faster but it can also go
slower.

Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 14:36:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

- KB


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 14:53:54 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org> <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
>> anaconda this time.
> 
> I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
> changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
> can be gotten a hold of ...
> 
>>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>>> a few weeks ago.
>> ok, I can do that now.
> 
> As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
> package. 
> 
> If I understand it correctly, then
> /usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
> startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
> ntp servers.
> 
> If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
> /usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
> more than upstream does, as that only contains 
> 
> server 0.pool.ntp.org 

My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It 
seems weird to me that it isn't.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 14:59:33 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:59:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>

John Summerfield wrote:
> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
> seems weird to me that it isn't.

Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
ntpd.

Ralph
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From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:17:58 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:17:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
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Message-ID: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:
>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
>> seems weird to me that it isn't.
> 
> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
> ntpd.
> 

I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
with a different setting.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell at gmail.com


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:19 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

As this has slept in a bit and I'm still not too sure if it really is a
good idea (but I'm leaning towards it), I try to rephrase (should,
should not, must, must not as in RFC 2119):

- Jobs must have to do with CentOS
- List must be moderated
- Job offers must not just include links to other sites (meaning: Job
  offers must include full details)
- Foreign language mails are okay, as long as an english explanation is
  also in that mail
- Job offers should include Country and if applicable City in the
  subject
- There will be no discussion on that list
- There will be no Reply-To: for discussions on other lists
- List Reply-To: will be set to sender (so that you can answer directly)

Anything I missed?

Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:54 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de> <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523152054.GO6029@br-online.de>

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for  
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or  
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override  
> with a different setting.

I wasn't talking about any functionality changes here.

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:25:13 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:25:13 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230825x3415436ek9142a916a1b9e895@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
...snip...
>
> Anything I missed?

I don't hink so.

> Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Yep, just give it a go and see what happens.

> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

I don't think it will be a high volume list but I'm willing to help if
it is to much work.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 15:33:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:33:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
	<4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. 
>>> It  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>
>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>> ntpd.
>>
> 
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
> with a different setting.
> 
Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a 
goose of myself again.

I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, 
but I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by 
my dhcp server. Even on C4.

I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the 
DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what 
I had in mind.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From me at danieldk.org  Fri May 23 16:40:52 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:40:52 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805230940l7ca392demdb4b856a9abda4b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Correct.

Take care,
Daniel


From smooge at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:00:02 2008
From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:00:02 -0600
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de> <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
	<4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <80d7e4090805231000i502c297cwa9203f1344256cd4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM, John Summerfield
<debian at herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>>
>>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It
>>>>  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>>
>>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>>> ntpd.
>>>
>>
>> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for
>> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or less
>> like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override with a
>> different setting.
>>
> Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a goose
> of myself again.
>

It shouldn't be ignored out of the box.. my system got an updated ntp
but I am not sure if I changed it later. I will have to do a reinstall
to make sure... but it looks like its not ignoring.

> I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, but
> I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by my dhcp
> server. Even on C4.
>

Thats weird. I need to check my boxes again.

> I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the
> DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what I
> had in mind.
>

Thats a bit more of a change.. I think it would need to be an upstream
change first.


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:36:20 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:20 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
<tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>
> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
> changing desktops.

Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
image is:

http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug

Akemi


From centos-devel at centos.org  Fri May 23 18:24:41 2008
From: centos-devel at centos.org (VIAGRA ® Official Site)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
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From unfies at gmail.com  Fri May 23 18:30:55 2008
From: unfies at gmail.com (Will Langford)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:55 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
Message-ID: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...

j/k :)

-Will


From dag at centos.org  Sat May 24 08:43:00 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:43:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Tim Verhoeven wrote:

> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
> random order) :
>
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
>
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
  - Explain where to get documentation
  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
  - ...

Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could 
improve ?


> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)
>
> By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
> currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
> connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

When doing this on CentOS 5.1 in a kickstart file (repo directive) it 
would fail because of the wrong package order. One of the first things 
that needs to be installed is glibc (because of ldconfig) and coreutils 
but it didn't go first and 100% packages simply failed to install.

I didn't debug this, maybe the updates repo needed some special tweaking ?


-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 24 10:13:08 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:13:08 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

Maybe a tad late now? Especially if we think about translations.

>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>  - Explain where to get documentation
>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>  - ...

There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
things above.

> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
> improve ?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Sat May 24 10:30:14 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:30:14 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
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Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>
>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>> changing desktops.
> 
> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
> image is:
> 
> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug


Thanks,

I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 24 13:19:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:19:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805240619v1505fd11s54007051c63951e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
>> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>>
>>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>>> changing desktops.
>>
>> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
>> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
>> image is:
>>
>> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug
>
> Thanks,
>
> I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq

Surely.  Thanks.

Akemi


From mouss at netoyen.net  Sat May 24 19:30:47 2008
From: mouss at netoyen.net (mouss)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:30:47 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
	<2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
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Will Langford wrote:
> I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...
>
>   

I didn't know that <centos-devel at centos.org> was a member of this list...

Is there any reason to accept such junk (From: containing 
centos-devel at centos.org. or even *@centos.org if the submitter isn't in 
this domain)?


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From hoschi at mouhaha.de  Sun May 25 22:44:04 2008
From: hoschi at mouhaha.de (Oliver Peter)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:44:04 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
Message-ID: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>

Hi,

I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.

If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
not hesitate to contact me.

Bye

O.

-- 
Oliver PETER, email: hoschi at mouhaha.de, ICQ# 113969174
"Worker bees can leave.  Even drones can fly away.
                         The Queen is their slave."
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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 06:46:40 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:46:40 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>   
>>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>>  - Explain where to get documentation
>>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>>  - ...
>>     
>
> There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
> things above.
>   

The are currently 9 images in the anaconda rnotes directory for each
language, 01 -- 09.
Can we have e.g. 10-centos-release-cycle, 11-centos-extra etc. or something?

Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Ruomu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 08:41:40 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:41:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Exactly.

Ralph
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Mon May 26 09:18:36 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:18:36 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A806C.508@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
>> improve ?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

I don't have any editing rights there, don't need them either if this
mail is read ;)

My advice for the 05-centos5-centosplus.png would be to change the URL
to <http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories>. The wiki is very helpful and
this link is much easier to remember. On the wiki-page CentOSPlus is the
first repository mentioned, so this even fits to the contents of the slide.

Cheers,
Niels

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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 09:34:35 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:34:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
	<483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com> <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>   
>> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
>> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
>>     

I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Romu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 09:59:38 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:59:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
	<20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de> <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526095938.GY6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Ruomu Hu wrote:
> >   
> >> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> >> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
> >>     
> 
> I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
> there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Good.

Please wait for a call for translation for the Release Notes of CentOS
5.2 (which should go out today to this list).

There is no real chance to do new slides for 5.2, but I put that on my
ToDo list for 5.3. But: It would be great if you could translate our
Release Notes which live on http://wiki.centos.org/ (more details
follow).

What you can do now is register yourself a wiki account there
(FirstnameLastname, please) and tell me when you did so.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:39:00 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:39:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Volunteering for CentOS
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

   I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
  and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could help
with. I could help with testing and recompiling
  the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work you
need help with thats within my abilities, I
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:44:46 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:44:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>

Hello
>
>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me


Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
to help you

Best wishes,
                  Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:30:01 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:00:01 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155494980805270130q23098ca3s3b46c79871029dd9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
        I am glad to join with you CentOS devs and testers. I am ready to
spend my hours for centos testing. I am sure i may help you a little. I will
be glad to hlep you like Jordan Evans. :)

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best to help you
>
> Best wishes,
>                   Jordan
>
>
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
Regards,
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:32:19 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:32:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
> to help you

Hi Jordan,

Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
(http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
projects) and a ToDo section.

I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
what you think.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 09:02:04 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:02:04 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
In-Reply-To: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
References: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270202x106dd106p26679531260b9442@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Oliver Peter <hoschi at mouhaha.de> wrote:
>
> I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
> release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.
>
> If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
> not hesitate to contact me.

Hi Oliver,

Thank you for your interest in helping. We are a bit to far in the QA
process at the moment to include you at the moment. But keep an eye
this mailinglist for future announcements and requests for testers. If
you like you can check out the CentOS wiki (http://wiki.centos.org)
and have a look at the different projects and the ToDo list. Maybe you
can find some you are interested in there and can help out that way.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Tue May 27 22:58:11 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:58:11 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> >> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
> >>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> >> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
> >>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> >> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> >> --
> >> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
> >
> > Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best
> > to help you
>
> Hi Jordan,
>
> Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
> following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
> CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
> (http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
> projects) and a ToDo section.
>
> I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
> what you think.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83
>
> Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
> "microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
> (Linus Torvalds)
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi Tim,

    I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
on it.

                                               Best wishes,
                                                                Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 07:58:17 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:58:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280058v43c143bfp15579e55b6adaf5f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
> that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
> on it.
>

Very nice that you find some projects you like. Normally the people
responsable for those projects will respond to your mail. If not mail
again to centos-devel and say explicitly that you would like to help
on a certain project. Also, some people are busy so it may take a
couple of days for them to respond.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 08:55:31 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:55:31 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
Message-ID: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>

Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
 a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
to organise it on a ongoing basis.

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:09:13 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:13 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Karan,
                  I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
wrote:

> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>
> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>



-- 
Regards,
Karthi Keyan
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From aim.prabhat at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:50:34 2008
From: aim.prabhat at gmail.com (prabhat kumar)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 04:50:34 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebca8da00805280450j6c45f01bv77ea43821e4558e3@mail.gmail.com>

I also want to contribute something, since I am using CentOS from past 2
year.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:09 AM, KarthiKeyan <karthixinbox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Karan,
>                   I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
> procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
>> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
>> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
>> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
>> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>>
>> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
>> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>>
>> --
>> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
>> _______________________________________________
>> CentOS-devel mailing list
>> CentOS-devel at centos.org
>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Karthi Keyan
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
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http://adminlinux.blogspot.com
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From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 14:11:19 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:11:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jordan,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;).

I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
head, the most urgent things:

- Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
- Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
which is slow ;).
- Add RSS feeds.
- Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
latest).

The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
get peer-review).

Take care,
Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:04:23 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:04:23 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Hi,

I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
current pacakges in the testing repo.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 15:42:17 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:42:17 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.

I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.

Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
Fail would be good.

> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
> current pacakges in the testing repo.

I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

- KB


From woboyle at ieee.org  Wed May 28 16:26:52 2008
From: woboyle at ieee.org (William Boyle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
Message-ID: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>

I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

William Boyle
Application Frameworks and Systems, Inc.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 17:17:54 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:54 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281017r997b192s69e7ec208dc292c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:

> Hi Jordan,
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> > that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my
> python
> > ;).
>
> I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
> thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
> Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
> There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
> head, the most urgent things:
>
> - Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
> - Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
> record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
> which is slow ;).
> - Add RSS feeds.
> - Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
> parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
> we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
> latest).
>
> The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
> work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
> tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
> get peer-review).
>
> Take care,
> Daniel
>  _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi

After I brush up on my python and learn the Django web framework, I would
like to try to get a demo working and get the changelog thing sorted out,
but that won't be for a couple days.

       Cheers
                 Jordan
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:00:36 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:00:36 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>

Developers,

Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz

Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png

Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
Could someone help on that ?

Thanks,
al.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:13:48 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:43:48 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281113h493cc11dlabf39b7658f99e1a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado <
alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:

> Developers,
>
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think
> ?
>
> LoginScreen:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
>
> Wallpaper:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
>
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
>
> Thanks,
> al.
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi,

    The wallpaper looks really nice, it looks pretty modern and it doesn't
distract
    away from anything

Good job,

              Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From hrbac.conf at seznam.cz  Wed May 28 18:56:15 2008
From: hrbac.conf at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgSHJiw6HEjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:56:15 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>

Alain Reguera Delgado napsal(a):
> Developers,
> 
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
> 
> Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
> 
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> al.

Alain,
it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version. Anyway, the wall 
paper looks pretty fine.
Regards,
David Hrb??


From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 19:22:34 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:34 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:
...
> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.

Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.

What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Thanks,
al.

From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 19:47:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alain,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
<alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
of an order) is a bit distracting.

Take care,
Daniel


From lystor at lystor.org.ua  Wed May 28 21:47:19 2008
From: lystor at lystor.org.ua (Nikolay Ulyanitsky)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:47:19 +0300
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212011239.4856.0.camel@lystor.users.home.lystor.org.ua>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:22 -0400, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Width / height = 16 / 10


-- 
Nikolay Ulyanitsky <lystor at lystor.org.ua>



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:22:29 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:29 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDB25.7020108@uoregon.edu>


Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:.
>> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.
> 
> Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
> various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.
> 
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

I think he means for widescreen displays, which are getting more and more 
popular. Common resolutions are 1280x800, 1440x900, 1920x1200. You can 
probably google for a better list, but those are the big three I think.

-Brandon


From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:25:00 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:25:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> of an order) is a bit distracting.

Someone's a little OCD :)

I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png

-Brandon


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Thu May 29 00:15:15 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:15:15 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483DF593.2080303@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.
> 
> I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
> details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
> responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
> or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
> people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
> they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
> expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.
> 
> Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
> details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
> to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
> be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
> they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
> Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
> Fail would be good.
> 
>> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
>> current pacakges in the testing repo.
> 
> I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
> there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
> the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

If those packages are travelling together, then they should stay 
together. However, if new cft appears without its companions, and gets 
no testing, it's hard to justify its promotion.

And this is just testing, deleting it here doesn't mean it vanishes from 
the target repo.
> 
> The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

Always, it's communication.

I think email should _always_ go out, even if the builder doesn't intend 
it to be promoted. If there's a point to putting it into the repo, it's 
to share it, and if you want people to use it you have to tell them.

The email must contain a summary of what's changed, and a summary of 
what the package does. If I don't use it now, tell me why I might want to!

A lot of package descriptions are next to incomprehensible. Take this, 
from F9:
FAAD 2 is a LC, MAIN and LTP profile, MPEG2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder, 
completely
written from scratch.

This package contains libfaad.


Better, something like "FAAD 2" decodes various (generic description of 
just what MAIN, LTP etc are), including (name them) and is used for/by ....

If they're used by Amorok and I know I use that, then I know maybe I 
should be interested in this.

The email might link to a wiki, but don't expect users to use the wiki 
to decide whether it's something they should test.

I presume that these announcements would amount to quite a bit of email, 
maybe enough to seriously change the nature of this list should they 
come here.

You might consider a new list, maybe "updates-announcements" where these 
announcements go, and that responses be directed to this list. This list 
might help where/if there are different packagers on different 
platforms: Joe builds on IA32, Fred sees he needs to build on zSeries 
and Freda on Power.

Seed it with members of this list, it's little different from just 
sending mail here, and gives users of this list the ability to opt out. 
This would ensure there's a decent number of eyeballs seeing its 
contents from day one.

The list description for the new list would recommend also subscribing 
to this list, but I don't think everyone will want to.

The description of this list should be updated to recommend new 
subscribers also subscribe to updates-announcements so as to keep 
abreast of threatened changes. Again, not everyone will want to.

If there's a formal test procedure for a particular package, then this 
should be described in its wiki document. I imagine some packages - gcc, 
postgresql for example - might have established test cases to run, and 
others might be added as new bugs are reported and resolved.




-- 

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John

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From subsolar at subsolar.com  Thu May 29 00:23:04 2008
From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
Message-ID: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:25 -0700, Brandon Davidson wrote:
> Daniel de Kok wrote:
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> > <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> > 
> > Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> > of an order) is a bit distracting.
> 
> Someone's a little OCD :)
> 
> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> -Brandon

Like that one much more personally.

Paul



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Thu May 29 00:32:25 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
	<1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
Message-ID: <483DF999.1060504@uoregon.edu>

Paul wrote:
>> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
>> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> Like that one much more personally.


I too favor the 'streams and lines' ones (either horizontal or vertical) over 
the others. They remind me of a stream of bubbles in water... odd, box-shaped 
bubbles :) The one with the tiled logo is particularly busy and would, I 
think, get on my nerves.

-Brandon


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Thu May 29 07:42:34 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:34 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
In-Reply-To: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805290042p2434dae2sfcd3aac63cb60c88@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM, William Boyle <woboyle at ieee.org> wrote:
> I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
> and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
> boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
> necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

Hi William,

We currently have enough testers for the 5.2 release. But I'll keep
your name in the back of my head if we need more help. We appriciate
that you are willing to volunteer. If you would like it, there are
some other things for which we could use more people. So if you are
interrested in let us know.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Thu May 29 09:19:49 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:19:49 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483E7535.2080008@karan.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.


I tried to implement some of the stuff I wrote in my previous email -
implement on the wiki that is, and its too much work getting all the
stuff together. And its 'too much' enough, to make it something that
most people wont bother with, it raises the barrier too far.

Perhaps a php or python+django or Rails hosted app that can manage this
for us would be good. Anyone fancy a shot ?

I can work with Tim and get some sort of a specification up...

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Thu May 29 19:49:56 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:49:56 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
Message-ID: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello all..

I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/

But where can I find the source?

Thanks...Paul...




From jeff at osuosl.org  Fri May 30 00:08:04 2008
From: jeff at osuosl.org (Jeff Sheltren)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:08:04 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>

On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:

> Hello all..
>
> I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
>
> But where can I find the source?
>
> Thanks...Paul...

I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec

Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...

-Jeff


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Fri May 30 03:11:58 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:11:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <1212117118.3635.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks..  I was already building using the version from dev.centos.org
(buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm), so I didn't want to
deviate too much.

At any rate, I've discovered that the latest buildsys-build spec
"template" is available in the git repo for mock.  Strange that I don't
see it in the latest mock .tar.gz release though.

I queried the CentOS version (rpm -qp --requires
buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm 2>/dev/null | sort) and
discovered the diff between it and the latest from git:  CentOS requires
'python' where the latest version from the mock git repo does not.  The
git version requires 'buildsys-macros' where the CentOS version does
not.

Looking at /etc/mock/epel-5-i386.cfg on my Fedora 9 install, I found
that 'buildsys-macros' RPM and SRPM could be found here:
http://buildsys.fedoraproject.org/buildgroups/rhel5/i386/

Now I know what I'm dealing with, but this would have been a whole lot
easier to figure out if the CentOS SRPM had been available..  :(

Cheers...Paul...

-------

P.S....

Browse the mock git repo here to find buildsys-build.spec.template:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser

Browse previous .spec versions (before buildsys-build.spec was renamed
to buildsys-build.spec.template):
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/log/buildsys-build.spec?rev=1c14b3c9b6fcbad867afbb7cc09ec5d91cf9e642

Looks like this version (0.5-4) is closest to the centos rpm version
wise:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser/buildsys-build.spec?rev=04580c1234b74957e25d490993e74095ae218d5d



On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:08 -0700, Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> Sender: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> Errors-To: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> X-Spam: exempt
> X-MAIL-FROM: <centos-devel-bounces at centos.org>
> X-SOURCE-IP: [72.21.40.12]
> 
> On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > Hello all..
> >
> > I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> > http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
> >
> > But where can I find the source?
> >
> > Thanks...Paul...
> 
> I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
> http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec
> 
> Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...
> 
> -Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:12:45 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:45 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-52.EL
Message-ID: <483F7EBD.20509@ict.swin.edu.au>

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be 
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be 
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:41:53 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:41:53 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <483F8591.8030606@ict.swin.edu.au>

(I am sending this message again with the correct subject).

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin


From tru at centos.org  Fri May 30 10:20:02 2008
From: tru at centos.org (Tru Huynh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:20:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <20080530102002.GC13736@sillage.bis.pasteur.fr>

Thanks to John Newbigin the new GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are
now available.

http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

i386:
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm

Best regards,

Tru
-- 
Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance)
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBEFA581B
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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 30 11:53:46 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:53:46 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
> 
> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From ned at unixmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 12:31:48 2008
From: ned at unixmail.co.uk (Ned Slider)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:31:48 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <483FF3B4.9070004@unixmail.co.uk>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 
> 
> 

You could check the developers blogs at:

http://planet.centos.org/

Specifically Tim's posting from May 23, 2008.



From csieh at fnal.gov  Fri May 30 16:15:37 2008
From: csieh at fnal.gov (Connie Sieh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org> <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>

On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>> 
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>

There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/

There should be x86_64 version available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64

soon.

-Connie Sieh
>
>
>


From rayvd at bludgeon.org  Fri May 30 16:30:47 2008
From: rayvd at bludgeon.org (Ray Van Dolson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:30:47 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
Message-ID: <20080530163046.GA16730@bludgeon.org>

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:15:37AM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:
>
>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>>
>>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>>
>> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
>> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
>> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>>
>
> There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/
>
> There should be x86_64 version available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64
>
> soon.
>
> -Connie Sieh

To the parent poster.. if you're just wanting to test for better
graphics support, why not use an eval copy of RHEL 5.2 vs an Alpha of
SL?

(If you're needing to test *now* vs in a week or two)

Ray


From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 30 18:10:02 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:10:02 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <484042FA.6030403@gmail.com>

John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 

Can you be more specific as to what you consider "adequate support for 
graphics"?

-- 
   Les Mikesell
     lesmikesell at gmail.com



From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Sat May 31 14:39:21 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:39:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS Forums again
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805310739n79ea479y760eecf6159929bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Having some time to do stuff for CentOS here at LinuxTag I've also
being building FreeIPA packages for CentOS. The idea that this will be
core part of a central authentication system. Meaning that you will
only need 1 account that you can use to login into the website, forum,
wiki, bugtracker, systems, ...

IMHO the most important system that needs to be attached to the
central auth database are the forums. There are a lot of users there
(and a lot of content). So I was thinking, why not fix 2 things at the
same time. Migrate from the old forum to the new forum that is linked
to the central auth system. And then later on couple the other
existing apps to it.

My feeling is that the most productive way to get forward with the
website/forum update is to split the forum from the website. In my
experience the forum present in CMS tools aren't made for the amount
of traffic we are having. So something dedicated sound like a better
option. So I have been looking around for open source forum software
that link to ldap without to much effort. I've looked at 3 projects
(Phorum, phpBB and SMF). They all 3 are good looking, well featured
and maintained. Though, only phpBB has a decent built-in LDAP
integration (FreeIPA is built on top of LDAP).

So my proposal is to setup a FreeIPA instance, link it with phpBB and
try to migrate a part of the current forums and see how all that
works. And if it looks good migrate to that.

So what do people think, did I miss stuff, other suggestions, ...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  2 04:55:33 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:55:33 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] xorg 7.2 on CentOS5
In-Reply-To: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <481A9EC5.4090607@herakles.homelinux.org>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Has anyone built xorg 7.2 for C5, or have handy hints on how it might be 
> done?
> 

"Too much trouble," I decided. Had to pull in too many dependencies, and 
by the time PolicyKit and ConsoleKit got included, it wasn't much like 
RHEL5-clone any more.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Fri May  2 17:19:21 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:19:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM

are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be 
found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Fri May  2 22:10:03 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:10:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.

I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
5.2 is released anyway.

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Sat May  3 11:19:59 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:19:59 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
>> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.
> 
> I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
> there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
> libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
> whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
> 5.2 is released anyway.

afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one 
version behind the current libvirt is far away.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 10:16:05 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:16:05 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
	<481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050316s6c3ace87rfb719a47acdecfe3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farkas,

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one
> version behind the current libvirt is far away.

Let's wait until 5.2 is out. When it is, could you create a list of
features (if any) that we absolutely need, and that are not in libvirt
included in 5.2? If there is a strong case for it (e.g. absence of
proper KVM support), we could look into providing it in CentOS-plus.

Take care,
Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May  5 12:47:54 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 20:47:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
Message-ID: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>

Hi,

I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
I need a respin dist (all updates included).

I wrote a script to generate my CentOS5-respin. My CentOS5 tree is at
/centos/5, it is rsynced with a Taiwan mirror daily. My generated
CentOS5 tree is placed at /centos/5-respin.

The generation of CentOS5-respin by my script runs fine, but the
generated CentOS5-respin tree has a problem: During network installation
using this CentOS5-respin tree, when it gets rpm installation, it always
complains "The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm cannot
be opened.". In the text console, the error message is "Failed to get
http://myserver/centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm".
Anaconda should look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/CentOS, but
it actually looks for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64.

Any ideas?
It would be nice if anyone could point me to some useful docs.

Thanks!
Ruomu

P.S. Here's my script:

#!/bin/bash
#
# gen_respin_distro
#
# To use this script, the following rpms need to installed first:
# anaconda
# anaconda-help
# anaconda-runtime
# busybox-anaconda ?
# bogl
# booty
# netpbm
# netpbm-progs
# mkisofs

#TODO
# 1. Should we use pkgorder? If yes, when?
# 2. Do we need to run pkgorder before buildinstall?
# 3. Do we need to run createrepo? Buildinstall seems to calls it.
# 4. Why does it look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64?


# Check tools
rpmmerge=`dirname "$0"`/rpmmerge
if [ ! -x "$rpmmerge" ]; then
echo "$rpmmerge does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
createrepo="/usr/bin/createrepo"
if [ ! -x "$createrepo" ]; then
echo "$createrepo does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
buildinstall="/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/buildinstall"
if [ ! -x "$buildinstall" ]; then
echo "$buildinstall does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi

# Set variables and functions
src="/centos/5"
dest="/centos/5-respin"
distro="CentOS"
arch="x86_64"
version="5"
product="CentOS"
release="Respin"
prodpath="CentOS"
eval_retval()
{
test $? -ne 0 && exit 1
}

# Merge rpms
echo -e "*** Merge rpms ***\n"
$rpmmerge $src/os/$arch/$distro $src/updates/$arch/RPMS
$dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval

# Create repo data
echo -e "\n*** Create repo data ***\n"
#cp -al $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml $dest/os/$arch/$distro
#eval_retval
$createrepo -q -g $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml -c $dest/os/$arch/cache \
-o $dest/os/$arch $dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval
#rm -f $dest/os/$arch/$distro/comps.xml
#eval_retval

# Run buildinstall
export PYTHONPATH="/usr/lib/anaconda"
echo -e "\n*** Buildinstall ***\n"
sudo $buildinstall \
--pkgorder "$dest/os/$arch/pkgorder.txt" \
--version $version \
--product $product \
--release $release \
--prodpath $prodpath \
$dest/os/$arch
eval_retval

exit 0


From mattdm at mattdm.org  Mon May  5 13:56:53 2008
From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:53 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
> I need a respin dist (all updates included).

Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
packages already installed.

-- 
Matthew Miller           mattdm at mattdm.org          <http://mattdm.org/>
Boston University Linux      ------>              <http://linux.bu.edu/>


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:23:46 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:23:46 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
Message-ID: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>

Developers, developers, developers ...

We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
<http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
editorial staff.

(Note: We can still discuss about that)

What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:

- Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
- should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
  one person)
- Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
  weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
  schemes. 
- Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
  about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
  way for quick and lasting flame fests)

And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
that list (or at least help with that)?

Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
offerings.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:26:07 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:07 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? 
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From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Mon May  5 15:57:46 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:57:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>

I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).

Example:

* The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
* Specific skills needed should appear on the email.

That's just my twenty cents.

- Scott

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...
>
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
>
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
>
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
>
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
>
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
>
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
>
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>   



From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 15:52:33 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...

I love this project!

>  - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)

People who want to apply for a job should know how to handle Google
:). Additionally, I think it normally only useful to skim through the
job offers of the last one or two months.

>  - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)

Yes.

>  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes.

I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

>  - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)

No, it does not serve a purpose. If someone want to follow up on an
offer, they can do so via private mail.

>  And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
>  vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
>  Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
>  that list (or at least help with that)?

Other projects have comparable lists, and they are great. Sometimes
the offers are too general, so, I am all in for moderation. I'd like
to help moderating.

-- Daniel


From amyagi at gmail.com  Mon May  5 16:06:56 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:06:56 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
>  >  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>  >   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>  >   schemes.
>
>  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
and accepted or would it be rejected?

http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

Akemi


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:16 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:16 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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Akemi Yagi wrote:
> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
> and accepted or would it be rejected?
> 
> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:41 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:41 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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Scott Grizzard wrote:
> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> 
> Example:
> 
> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.

What about the country? =:D

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:21:31 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:21:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Akemi Yagi <amyagi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
>  >  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  >  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.
>
>  As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>  CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>  and accepted or would it be rejected?
>  http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

I would reject it:

- It does note state where CentOS is involved.
- It is not clear whether the company wants to hire a person full
time, or wants to make use of consulting services.
- What prior experience is required? What qualifications?
(- How about salary/benefits?)

I think this is a good example what a job offer could look like:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-jobs/2006/07/21/0000.html

-- Daniel


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:32:00 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:32:00 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Scott Grizzard wrote:
> > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
> 
> What about the country? =:D

Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:41:06 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:41:06 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>  > Scott Grizzard wrote:
>  > > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>  > > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>  > >
>  > > Example:
>  > >
>  > > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>  >
>  > What about the country? =:D
>
>  Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
>  allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
>  at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Yes. If an offer is purely in a foreign language, it's probably better
off on one of the non-English lists after an acknowledgement of the
list moderator. I have only once received such request for the Dutch
list.

-- Daniel
-- Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:43:31 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:43:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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Hi,

I've got no real comments based on what was already said. I just want
to say it is a good idea.

What maybe is a option is to post the rules and some sort of template
on the wiki and refer to that when people want to post something.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
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Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Mon May  5 21:59:16 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:59:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
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On Mon, 5 May 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Scott Grizzard wrote:
>>> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>>> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>>
>> What about the country? =:D
>
> Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
> allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
> at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

I took that to ask if the country/location as well as the city should be 
required in the subject rather than what language the text might happen to 
be in.

For example a job offer in the city of 'Cambridge' might be in one of 
several places... :-)

Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.

  -- Jon

[ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]


From rwalker at medallion.com  Mon May  5 22:01:57 2008
From: rwalker at medallion.com (Ross S. W. Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:01:57 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> 
> Developers, developers, developers ...
> 
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
> 
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
> 
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
> 
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
> 
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
> 
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
> 
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.

A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
and recruitment firms.

Just my .02 

-Ross

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From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 22:13:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:13:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
<rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>  and recruitment firms.

Hence moderation ;).

-- Daniel


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:21:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:21:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
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Jon Peatfield wrote:

> Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
> should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
> their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
> accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.
> 
>  -- Jon
> 
> [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]

HEP?


It's not obvious to me that, should I be looking for someone to work on 
my CentOS project that I should restrict myself to people who are 
already involved in CentOS. Generally, I would think, people experienced 
in RHEL or SL would serve as well, and those familiar with other distros 
(Debian, SUSE) might bring fresh ideas.

I like the Shuttles technique - go on a holiday. Take archives of 
mailing lists. Evaluate peoples' skills, attitudes (eg how they deal 
with others)and ethics. Then, issue invitations.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:25:35 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:25:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>
>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
> 
> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect they're 
looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do. Maybe a 
smallbusiness person who does such things.

It doesn't look like enough work for one.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:32:00 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:32:00 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com> <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <481F98F0.3030101@herakles.homelinux.org>

Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
>> I need a respin dist (all updates included).
> 
> Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
> updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
> packages already installed.
> 
I'm with Matthew. If you do it on the road a lot, pack a laptop with the 
repos you want, dhcpd, tftp (run BIND too) installed and ready to start, 
a small switch and a few wires.And, maybe, a DVD and boot cd, just in case.

You can reconfigure as needed in %post and on first boot.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Tue May  6 00:48:49 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:48:49 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <20080506004849.GD25909@br-online.de>

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
> and recruitment firms.

So you want to apply for that database job which requires no oracle
knowledge but if you can bring in some cli experience (can you spell
${VARIABLE}?) we'd like to talk to you.
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From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Tue May  6 01:01:36 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:01:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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On Tue, 6 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

<snip>
>>  [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]
>
> HEP?

HEP == High Energy Physics (almost universally I thought).

It is just a job supporting computing in that group here (well ~50% of the 
time) so the actual meaning isn't very important.

The deadline for applications is today and it is a junior post so I doubt 
that many people reading this would be very interested.  If you are I'm 
sure that your advanced google-fu would let you find it pretty quickly ;-)

  -- Jon


From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Tue May  6 02:26:32 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:26:32 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
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You know what would be a good idea:

If you had a website that would parse various job postings on mailing  
lists, then categorize them by location, job type, etc. and post them  
on a craig's list type setting.  Hmmm........

Seriously, I think the job posting list is a great idea, no matter  
what form it takes.  I also think that having formatting guidelines  
for posting jobs is a good idea, so that people that subscribe can set  
up email filters that sort out the junk.

I think ease of setting up rules should be the primary motavation for  
the guidelines.

That would also take out some of the abuse potential, as humans would  
have to reformat the emails they are posting everywhere else for this  
mailing list.

-- Scott

PS: Anyone looking for an MA in economics with some mean centos and  
ubuntu skills?  He He He...

On May 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, John Summerfield wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>>
>>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
>> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
>> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.
>
> It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect  
> they're looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do.  
> Maybe a smallbusiness person who does such things.
>
> It doesn't look like enough work for one.
>
> -- 
>
> Cheers
> John
>
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From me at danieldk.org  Tue May  6 07:44:30 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:44:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
Message-ID: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
packaged.

Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
CentOS Wiki at:

http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories

The qemu package is named (surprise :)) 'qemu', and can be installed
after adding the testing repository:

yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install qemu

Thanks,
Daniel


From mark at foster.cc  Tue May  6 15:12:23 2008
From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:12:23 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48207557.6000501@foster.cc>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
> repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
> future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
> ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
> packaged.
>   

Wonderful!
Hopeful to see kqemu soon, too.
qemu + kqemu is great alternative to vmware* and for those of use who 
don't have vmx-capable hardware. So nice that vdisk created with 
qemu-img should be transportable between qemu & kvm.

-- 
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
Mark D. Foster, CISSP <mark at foster.cc>  http://mark.foster.cc/




From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 15:19:40 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 17:19:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>

there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
-----------------------------------------------------
# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "downloadonly" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
Reading repository metadata in from local files
0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for 
package: kmod-kvm
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed 
by package kmod-kvm
-----------------------------------------------------
you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
                                  ^^^
and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?


Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM
> 
> Akemi
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Wed May  7 15:50:46 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:50:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>  Setting up Install Process
>  Setting up repositories
>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>  Parsing package install arguments
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  --> Running transaction check
>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
> kmod-kvm
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
> package kmod-kvm
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>                                  ^^^
>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?

Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.

# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
(snip)
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check

Dependencies Resolved

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
 kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
c5-testing        701 k
 kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M

Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
Install      2 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove       0 Package(s)

-Akemi


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 16:36:58 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:36:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>>  Setting up Install Process
>>  Setting up repositories
>>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>>  Parsing package install arguments
>>  Resolving Dependencies
>>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  --> Running transaction check
>>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
>> kmod-kvm
>>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
>> package kmod-kvm
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>>                                  ^^^
>>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?
> 
> Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
> running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.
> 
> # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
> (snip)
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
> ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
> ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
> --> Running transaction check
> 
> Dependencies Resolved
> 
> =============================================================================
>  Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
> =============================================================================
> Installing:
>  kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
> c5-testing        701 k
>  kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M
> 
> Transaction Summary
> =============================================================================
> Install      2 Package(s)
> Update       0 Package(s)
> Remove       0 Package(s)

after remove the previous version then it's works otherwise not.
unfortunately the bigger problem kvm-66 is not working for us. the 
latest usable version was 62 (so we witch back to 62). our setup:
- host:
   - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
   - Intel S3000AHV
   - 8GB RAM
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-1:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 i386 32bit
- guest-2:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-3:
   - Mandrake-9
   - kernel-2.4.19.16mdk-1-1mdk 32bit
- guest-4:
   - Mandrake-10
   - kernel-2.6.14.2-p4-smp 32bit
- guest-5:
   - Windows XP Professional 32bit
mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are 
  boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Wed May  7 18:23:27 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:23:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805071123y6498134o9a17fb0dde295184@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

Could you give more information? E.g. what kind of error do you get
when the kernel panics?

-- Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Thu May  8 11:49:42 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:49:42 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
Message-ID: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>

Hi!

Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
there be any problems?

Thanks!

Ruomu


From kanarip at kanarip.com  Thu May  8 12:01:03 2008
From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:01:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
> there be any problems?
> 

Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;

No, you can't.

Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
 >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  9 04:59:08 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 12:59:08 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com> <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
Message-ID: <4823DA1C.2000305@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
>> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
>> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
>> there be any problems?
>>
> 
> Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
> compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;
> 
> No, you can't.
> 
> Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
>  >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
> looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

I suspect the code imbeds quite a deal of knowledge about what is being 
installed, too.


-- 

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From jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it  Fri May  9 08:40:56 2008
From: jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it (Marco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:40:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Backuppc 3.1.0
Message-ID: <305947.24643.qm@web27603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
i was looking for a backup system for small mixed
environment (linux and windows) to install on a centos
5.1 server and a tryed to use backuppc 3.1.0 from the
testing repository, mainly becouse I have already
succesfully used it in the past on a fedora server and
because it perfectly matches my requirements.

This is my expirience:

Before starting I carefully read this useful
documents:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2403
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=1299

http://marc.info/?l=centos-devel&m=117145576710647&w=2

The first installation worked fine: I configured the
repository in yum and I succesfully downloaded and
installed backuppc and all the dependecies.

I configured apache to run as backuppc user instead of
apache and the server 
started working.

The server on wich i'm running backuppc is a general
purpose server and it's not dedicated 
to the backup job, so for me is a big issue running
apache as the backuppc user.

Studying the above mentioned documentation I solved
the issue by this way:

1) I downloaded the SRPMS version of backuppc
2) I manually applied the modification suggested by
ScratchMonkey to the spec file (the diff file proposed
on the bug tracker didn't work out of the box becouse
it refers to a previus version of backuppc, but I was
easily able to manually apply the modification).
3) I recompiled the RPM and I succesfully installed
it.
4) I configured apache to work in suexec mode (using
the sample conf file published on the bug tracker).

The server is now working fine and I havan't any
performance issue on the web intrface (but i have very
few clients).

My suggestion is to use the suexec mode which I find
very easy to implement and without collateral effect
on other web application published from the same
apache server.

I hope this will help.

Marco




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From dag at centos.org  Fri May  9 10:37:57 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:37:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
> <rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>>  and recruitment firms.
>
> Hence moderation ;).

Jobs are only useful based on location, that means a particular job in 
Brussels may not appeal to 99% of the subscribers, and therefor the 
signal-to-noise ratio is very poor. (May be different for very short 
contract work items or simple support requests)

I would leave job-offerings to dedicated, specialised sites where people 
can search and put resumes online. But if we have people to volunteer for 
the moderation I do not object with an experiment :)

I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
required. Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:

 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May  9 12:11:58 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:11:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080509121158.GR9139@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
> required. 

It's not going to be that much of a task to moderate a few job postings.

> Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:
>
> 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
> 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

As it does for at least netbsd, as far as I know (one of their
developers is sitting a few desks away and we talked about that a little
bit).

Ralph
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From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 10 01:34:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:34:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805091834u2e9e5ccq4b6af62f0017b805@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> On Monday 25 February 2008, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> ...
>> > Johnny, could you let us know your reasons for wanting to point to the
>> > remote GPG key?
>>
>> We DON'T allow downloads of ISOs from centos.org servers due to
>> bandwidth considerations.  It would be fairly easy to put out an ISO
>> that had different RPMS and a different key.
>>
>> Granted, people CAN check the md5 and sha1 sum of the ISOs if they choose.
>>
>> Since we do control the content of every mirror.centos.org server, we
>> know that the key file is correct.  In order to make that key AND the
>> RPMS be bad, they need a doctored CD *AND* they need to hijack our
>> content by DNS poisoning or getting control of our servers.
>>
>> I just think if you are using the internet anyway, why not also get the
>> key from a known location.
>
> I agree that there's something intuitively right about that, but,
> unfortunately it's wrong :-)
>
> Here's why.
>
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...
>
> It will have to be up to the user to make sure (with our help, signed .isos,
> installers that check rpm signatures and stage2 signature) that he/she has an
> ok system. If they fail then they don't really run centos, they run haxx0r os
> and any attempt to validate anything inside that will fail.
>
> /Peter

This discussion has been dormant for a while...  With 5.2 just around
the corner, isn't it a good idea to wrap this up and reach some sort
of a conclusion?

Akemi


From me at danieldk.org  Sat May 10 14:35:54 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:35:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805100735x687e2fb0n9249b2f47f60226c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...

Or a modified yum or RPM that only appears to do verification. I agree
that we should at the very least suppose that the user verifies the
installation media.

As for DNS poisoning or hacking, that misery can potentially happen to
everyone, and a good manner to guard against this is relying on the
pre-installed key from media that was proven to be correct. So, I
think this should be the default behavior.

Take care,
Daniel


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sat May 10 22:16:12 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:16:12 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
Message-ID: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.

However, even then, there are several file types for which no
thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm

Regards
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	thunar-thumbnailers
Name: 		thunar-thumbnailers
Version: 	0.3.2
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Graphics
URL: 		http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/ristretto

Source: 	http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/%{name}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.9
BuildRequires: 	ImageMagick-devel >= 6.2.8.0

Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.9
Requires: 	ImageMagick >= 6.2.8.0

%description
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate previews of image and font files and can automatically use available GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
However, even then, there are several file types for which no thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall

%post
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-vfs-update-thumbnailers-cache-1

%postun
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :


%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README
%{_datadir}/mime/packages/%{name}.xml
%{_libexecdir}/*thumbnailer
%{_datadir}/thumbnailers/*.desktop

%changelog
* Sun Apr 11 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.3.2-1
- Initial package.
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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:30:04 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:30:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:46:25 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:25 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
Message-ID: <4826CE81.5010305@centos.org>

Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
>>
>> Description:
>> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
>> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
>> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
>> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
>>
>> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
>> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
>> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats.
>> Download: 
>> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
>>
> 
> Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

To answer my own question by reading the spec file :D ... for centos-5

I am currently building this and if all goes well, will include it in 
CentOS Extras.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 11:17:41 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 06:17:41 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Heiko,

Would you test these and see if they do what you want:

http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 12:11:01 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:11:01 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
Message-ID: <1210507861.6481.2.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Sonntag, den 11.05.2008, 06:17 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
> Heiko,
> 
> Would you test these and see if they do what you want:
> 
> http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/
IMHO they work as expected.
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 15:42:26 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:42:26 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: squeeze
Message-ID: <1210520546.9363.4.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the squeeze-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop
Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze
is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/squeeze-0.2.3-1.src.rpm

Regards,
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	Squeeze
Name: 		squeeze
Version: 	0.2.3
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Utilities
URL: 		http://squeeze.xfce.org

Source: 	http://squeeze.xfce.org/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	gtk2-devel >= 2.10
BuildRequires: 	libxfce4util-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	libxfcegui4-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	dbus-glib-devel >= 0.34
BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.8

Requires: 	gtk2 >= 2.10
Requires: 	libxfce4util >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	libxfcegui4 >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	dbus-glib >= 0.34
Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.8

%description
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall
%{__rm} %{buildroot}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache
%find_lang %{name}

%post
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%postun
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files -f %{name}.lang
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README TODO
%{_bindir}/%{name}
%{_includedir}/libsqueeze-0.2
%{_libdir}/*
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-archive-plugin/%{name}.tap
%{_datadir}/applications/%{name}.desktop
%{_datadir}/icons/*
%{_datadir}/locale/*
%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libsqueeze/*

%changelog
* Sat Apr 10 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.2.3-1
- Initial package.
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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 10:18:06 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:06 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
Message-ID: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Farkas Levente wrote:
>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 
>> are   boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>   
> 
> Can you post the panic?
> 
> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.

unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang 
at "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Tue May 13 10:48:40 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:48:40 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> >
> > Farkas Levente wrote:
> >
> > > mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Can you post the panic?
> >
> > It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
> >
>
>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.

Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 11:58:32 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:32 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
	<48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48298268.9000700@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>>> Farkas Levente wrote:
>>>
>>>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
>> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>>>
>>> Can you post the panic?
>>>
>>> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
>>>
>>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
>> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.
> 
> Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

at the same time it'd be useful to merge the fedora and centos spec 
files too (in kvm-68 i used a spec file based on fedora's spec).
the two main differences the bootmenu patch, bios, and the separate qemu 
package which is already in testing too.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Tue May 13 21:01:45 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:01:45 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
Message-ID: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
no error messages are shown.
Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2

Can anyone confirm this?
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 06:57:22 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:57:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
> webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
> The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
> no error messages are shown.
> Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2
> 
> Can anyone confirm this?

That's more or less the same for me. Using a Citrix Terminal Server with
web-interface. In the statusbar I get 'Start: applet not initialized.'.

I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(

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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 10:29:38 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:29:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
Message-ID: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Hello,

CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

Any thoughts?

Niels

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Wed May 14 11:12:30 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:12:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore
	with OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <1210763550.2702.0.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Mittwoch, den 14.05.2008, 08:57 +0200 schrieb Niels de Vos:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
> I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(
That sounds funny because the OpenJDK 1.6 JRE is the Sun-HRE :-)
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 14 15:16:37 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:16:37 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>

Niels de Vos wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
> the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
> the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
> only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
> think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

not really no.

There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with 
5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then 
take this issue up if it still needs attention

- KB


From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 15:21:51 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:21:51 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com> <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
Message-ID: <482B038F.6090908@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Niels de Vos wrote:
>> Is there any
>> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?
> 
> not really no.
> 
> There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with
> 5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then
> take this issue up if it still needs attention

Okay, I'll wait and see what comes :)

Thanks

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From rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za  Sat May 17 10:25:27 2008
From: rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za (Rabie Van der Merwe)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:25:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
Message-ID: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>


Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
are making there way into the mirrors.
I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
files:
lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml

I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.

Regards
Rabie van der Merwe
Infrastructure Architect

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From johnny at centos.org  Sat May 17 12:09:13 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:09:13 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
In-Reply-To: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
References: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
Message-ID: <482ECAE9.6030308@centos.org>

Rabie Van der Merwe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
> if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
> are making there way into the mirrors.
> I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
> 'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
> 'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
> am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
> files:
> lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml
> 
> I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.
> 

This is now correct ... should trickle down soon.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 17 13:56:56 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:56:56 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS as a project ?
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910804241203j220814fw84262208d486d34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4810EFEA.8090102@karan.org> <20080425100044.GT19680@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060207x36573bd8s2ec41cf7bf0fb666@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506092127.GA36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060235o18287b2cx4b9cb2020fe5f93e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506093648.GB36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080517135656.GB31684@br-online.de>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> > That was *why* I CCed Gideon, as I didn't want to ask Alain if he wanted
> > to take the lead while your brother "officially" had that before.
> 
> I finally got a hold of him wrt this subject, and he is ok with
> passing on the hat. It suits him more to toss in artwork when he has
> time, but his schedule does not allow him to actively lead this.

Lucky you. So Alain - do you want to take the lead in the Artwork SIG?
We then could do an announcement on centos-devel/user, create a project
on projects.centos.org and maybe create a mailing list for that.

http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Artwork - there already is a
page on the wiki for that. Do you want something added to that before
the announcement (except exchange Gideon and you)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 11:54:10 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:54:10 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
random order) :

- Update the content of the slides (and translate them)

I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
the slides updated. So speak up :-)

- Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

- Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)

When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
changing desktops.

So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Regards,
Tim

-- 
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Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 12:23:10 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:10 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836B72E.1040901@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

Considering no one else can, this one is mine.

- KB


From orkcu at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 12:26:08 2008
From: orkcu at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roger_Pe=F1a?=)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <761494.58651.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Fri, 5/23/08, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
> To: "The CentOS developers mailing list." <centos-devel at centos.org>
> Received: Friday, May 23, 2008, 7:54 AM
> Hi,
> 
> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release
> of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These
> are (in
> random order) :
> 
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have
> changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we
> would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

there is a list for this kind of things (translations), so just use it :-)
centos-es is ready for that ;-)

cu
roger


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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 12:26:17 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:26:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

> So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
> to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
{0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
a few weeks ago.

A grep over my complete file system is running now, to see where this
string is mentioned.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:13:54 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:13:54 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into 
anaconda this time.

> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
> a few weeks ago.

ok, I can do that now.

- KB


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 13:21:22 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
Message-ID: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>
> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
> anaconda this time.

I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
can be gotten a hold of ...

>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>> a few weeks ago.
>
> ok, I can do that now.

As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
package. 

If I understand it correctly, then
/usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
ntp servers.

If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
/usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
more than upstream does, as that only contains 

server 0.pool.ntp.org 

lines.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:23:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:23:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
Message-ID: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>

ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2

Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog 
and mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the 
packages into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.

this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be 
enough ?

- KB


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:43:02 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2
>
> Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog and
> mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the packages
> into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.
>
> this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be enough
> ?

My feeling is that 6 days is going to be to short especially when some
of us are going to be at Linuxtag between the 28th and the 31th.

10 days sounds like a more reasonable estimate to me. But it will also
depend on how much issues we find. It can go faster but it can also go
slower.

Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 14:36:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

- KB


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 14:53:54 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org> <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
>> anaconda this time.
> 
> I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
> changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
> can be gotten a hold of ...
> 
>>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>>> a few weeks ago.
>> ok, I can do that now.
> 
> As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
> package. 
> 
> If I understand it correctly, then
> /usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
> startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
> ntp servers.
> 
> If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
> /usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
> more than upstream does, as that only contains 
> 
> server 0.pool.ntp.org 

My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It 
seems weird to me that it isn't.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 14:59:33 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:59:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>

John Summerfield wrote:
> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
> seems weird to me that it isn't.

Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
ntpd.

Ralph
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From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:17:58 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:17:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:
>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
>> seems weird to me that it isn't.
> 
> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
> ntpd.
> 

I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
with a different setting.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell at gmail.com


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:19 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

As this has slept in a bit and I'm still not too sure if it really is a
good idea (but I'm leaning towards it), I try to rephrase (should,
should not, must, must not as in RFC 2119):

- Jobs must have to do with CentOS
- List must be moderated
- Job offers must not just include links to other sites (meaning: Job
  offers must include full details)
- Foreign language mails are okay, as long as an english explanation is
  also in that mail
- Job offers should include Country and if applicable City in the
  subject
- There will be no discussion on that list
- There will be no Reply-To: for discussions on other lists
- List Reply-To: will be set to sender (so that you can answer directly)

Anything I missed?

Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:54 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
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Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for  
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or  
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override  
> with a different setting.

I wasn't talking about any functionality changes here.

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:25:13 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:25:13 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
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On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
...snip...
>
> Anything I missed?

I don't hink so.

> Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Yep, just give it a go and see what happens.

> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

I don't think it will be a high volume list but I'm willing to help if
it is to much work.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 15:33:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:33:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
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Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. 
>>> It  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>
>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>> ntpd.
>>
> 
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
> with a different setting.
> 
Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a 
goose of myself again.

I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, 
but I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by 
my dhcp server. Even on C4.

I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the 
DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what 
I had in mind.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From me at danieldk.org  Fri May 23 16:40:52 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:40:52 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805230940l7ca392demdb4b856a9abda4b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Correct.

Take care,
Daniel


From smooge at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:00:02 2008
From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:00:02 -0600
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM, John Summerfield
<debian at herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>>
>>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It
>>>>  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>>
>>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>>> ntpd.
>>>
>>
>> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for
>> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or less
>> like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override with a
>> different setting.
>>
> Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a goose
> of myself again.
>

It shouldn't be ignored out of the box.. my system got an updated ntp
but I am not sure if I changed it later. I will have to do a reinstall
to make sure... but it looks like its not ignoring.

> I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, but
> I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by my dhcp
> server. Even on C4.
>

Thats weird. I need to check my boxes again.

> I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the
> DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what I
> had in mind.
>

Thats a bit more of a change.. I think it would need to be an upstream
change first.


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:36:20 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:20 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
<tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>
> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
> changing desktops.

Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
image is:

http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug

Akemi


From centos-devel at centos.org  Fri May 23 18:24:41 2008
From: centos-devel at centos.org (VIAGRA ® Official Site)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
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From unfies at gmail.com  Fri May 23 18:30:55 2008
From: unfies at gmail.com (Will Langford)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:55 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
Message-ID: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...

j/k :)

-Will


From dag at centos.org  Sat May 24 08:43:00 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:43:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Tim Verhoeven wrote:

> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
> random order) :
>
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
>
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
  - Explain where to get documentation
  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
  - ...

Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could 
improve ?


> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)
>
> By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
> currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
> connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

When doing this on CentOS 5.1 in a kickstart file (repo directive) it 
would fail because of the wrong package order. One of the first things 
that needs to be installed is glibc (because of ldconfig) and coreutils 
but it didn't go first and 100% packages simply failed to install.

I didn't debug this, maybe the updates repo needed some special tweaking ?


-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 24 10:13:08 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:13:08 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

Maybe a tad late now? Especially if we think about translations.

>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>  - Explain where to get documentation
>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>  - ...

There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
things above.

> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
> improve ?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Sat May 24 10:30:14 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:30:14 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>
>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>> changing desktops.
> 
> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
> image is:
> 
> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug


Thanks,

I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 24 13:19:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:19:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805240619v1505fd11s54007051c63951e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
>> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>>
>>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>>> changing desktops.
>>
>> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
>> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
>> image is:
>>
>> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug
>
> Thanks,
>
> I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq

Surely.  Thanks.

Akemi


From mouss at netoyen.net  Sat May 24 19:30:47 2008
From: mouss at netoyen.net (mouss)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:30:47 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
	<2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48386CE7.5020307@netoyen.net>

Will Langford wrote:
> I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...
>
>   

I didn't know that <centos-devel at centos.org> was a member of this list...

Is there any reason to accept such junk (From: containing 
centos-devel at centos.org. or even *@centos.org if the submitter isn't in 
this domain)?


From postoffice at mailhub.owlriver.net  Sun May 25 11:41:03 2008
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From hoschi at mouhaha.de  Sun May 25 22:44:04 2008
From: hoschi at mouhaha.de (Oliver Peter)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:44:04 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
Message-ID: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>

Hi,

I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.

If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
not hesitate to contact me.

Bye

O.

-- 
Oliver PETER, email: hoschi at mouhaha.de, ICQ# 113969174
"Worker bees can leave.  Even drones can fly away.
                         The Queen is their slave."
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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 06:46:40 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:46:40 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>   
>>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>>  - Explain where to get documentation
>>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>>  - ...
>>     
>
> There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
> things above.
>   

The are currently 9 images in the anaconda rnotes directory for each
language, 01 -- 09.
Can we have e.g. 10-centos-release-cycle, 11-centos-extra etc. or something?

Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Ruomu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 08:41:40 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:41:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Exactly.

Ralph
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Mon May 26 09:18:36 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:18:36 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A806C.508@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
>> improve ?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

I don't have any editing rights there, don't need them either if this
mail is read ;)

My advice for the 05-centos5-centosplus.png would be to change the URL
to <http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories>. The wiki is very helpful and
this link is much easier to remember. On the wiki-page CentOSPlus is the
first repository mentioned, so this even fits to the contents of the slide.

Cheers,
Niels

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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 09:34:35 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:34:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
	<483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com> <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>   
>> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
>> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
>>     

I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Romu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 09:59:38 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:59:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
	<20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de> <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526095938.GY6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Ruomu Hu wrote:
> >   
> >> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> >> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
> >>     
> 
> I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
> there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Good.

Please wait for a call for translation for the Release Notes of CentOS
5.2 (which should go out today to this list).

There is no real chance to do new slides for 5.2, but I put that on my
ToDo list for 5.3. But: It would be great if you could translate our
Release Notes which live on http://wiki.centos.org/ (more details
follow).

What you can do now is register yourself a wiki account there
(FirstnameLastname, please) and tell me when you did so.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:39:00 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:39:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Volunteering for CentOS
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

   I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
  and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could help
with. I could help with testing and recompiling
  the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work you
need help with thats within my abilities, I
-- 
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:44:46 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:44:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>

Hello
>
>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me


Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
to help you

Best wishes,
                  Jordan

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From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:30:01 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:00:01 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155494980805270130q23098ca3s3b46c79871029dd9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
        I am glad to join with you CentOS devs and testers. I am ready to
spend my hours for centos testing. I am sure i may help you a little. I will
be glad to hlep you like Jordan Evans. :)

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best to help you
>
> Best wishes,
>                   Jordan
>
>
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
Regards,
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:32:19 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:32:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
> to help you

Hi Jordan,

Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
(http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
projects) and a ToDo section.

I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
what you think.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 09:02:04 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:02:04 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
In-Reply-To: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
References: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270202x106dd106p26679531260b9442@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Oliver Peter <hoschi at mouhaha.de> wrote:
>
> I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
> release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.
>
> If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
> not hesitate to contact me.

Hi Oliver,

Thank you for your interest in helping. We are a bit to far in the QA
process at the moment to include you at the moment. But keep an eye
this mailinglist for future announcements and requests for testers. If
you like you can check out the CentOS wiki (http://wiki.centos.org)
and have a look at the different projects and the ToDo list. Maybe you
can find some you are interested in there and can help out that way.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Tue May 27 22:58:11 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:58:11 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> >> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
> >>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> >> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
> >>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> >> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> >> --
> >> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
> >
> > Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best
> > to help you
>
> Hi Jordan,
>
> Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
> following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
> CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
> (http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
> projects) and a ToDo section.
>
> I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
> what you think.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83
>
> Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
> "microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
> (Linus Torvalds)
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi Tim,

    I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
on it.

                                               Best wishes,
                                                                Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 07:58:17 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:58:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280058v43c143bfp15579e55b6adaf5f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
> that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
> on it.
>

Very nice that you find some projects you like. Normally the people
responsable for those projects will respond to your mail. If not mail
again to centos-devel and say explicitly that you would like to help
on a certain project. Also, some people are busy so it may take a
couple of days for them to respond.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 08:55:31 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:55:31 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
Message-ID: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>

Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
 a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
to organise it on a ongoing basis.

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:09:13 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:13 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Karan,
                  I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
wrote:

> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>
> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>



-- 
Regards,
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From aim.prabhat at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:50:34 2008
From: aim.prabhat at gmail.com (prabhat kumar)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 04:50:34 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebca8da00805280450j6c45f01bv77ea43821e4558e3@mail.gmail.com>

I also want to contribute something, since I am using CentOS from past 2
year.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:09 AM, KarthiKeyan <karthixinbox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Karan,
>                   I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
> procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
>> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
>> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
>> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
>> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>>
>> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
>> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>>
>> --
>> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
>> _______________________________________________
>> CentOS-devel mailing list
>> CentOS-devel at centos.org
>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Karthi Keyan
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
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From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 14:11:19 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:11:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jordan,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;).

I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
head, the most urgent things:

- Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
- Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
which is slow ;).
- Add RSS feeds.
- Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
latest).

The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
get peer-review).

Take care,
Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:04:23 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:04:23 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Hi,

I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
current pacakges in the testing repo.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 15:42:17 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:42:17 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.

I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.

Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
Fail would be good.

> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
> current pacakges in the testing repo.

I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

- KB


From woboyle at ieee.org  Wed May 28 16:26:52 2008
From: woboyle at ieee.org (William Boyle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
Message-ID: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>

I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

William Boyle
Application Frameworks and Systems, Inc.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 17:17:54 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:54 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:

> Hi Jordan,
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> > that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my
> python
> > ;).
>
> I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
> thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
> Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
> There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
> head, the most urgent things:
>
> - Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
> - Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
> record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
> which is slow ;).
> - Add RSS feeds.
> - Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
> parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
> we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
> latest).
>
> The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
> work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
> tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
> get peer-review).
>
> Take care,
> Daniel
>  _______________________________________________
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> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi

After I brush up on my python and learn the Django web framework, I would
like to try to get a demo working and get the changelog thing sorted out,
but that won't be for a couple days.

       Cheers
                 Jordan
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:00:36 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:00:36 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>

Developers,

Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz

Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png

Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
Could someone help on that ?

Thanks,
al.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:13:48 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:43:48 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado <
alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:

> Developers,
>
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think
> ?
>
> LoginScreen:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
>
> Wallpaper:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
>
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
>
> Thanks,
> al.
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi,

    The wallpaper looks really nice, it looks pretty modern and it doesn't
distract
    away from anything

Good job,

              Jordan

-- 
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From hrbac.conf at seznam.cz  Wed May 28 18:56:15 2008
From: hrbac.conf at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgSHJiw6HEjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:56:15 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
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References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
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Alain Reguera Delgado napsal(a):
> Developers,
> 
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
> 
> Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
> 
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> al.

Alain,
it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version. Anyway, the wall 
paper looks pretty fine.
Regards,
David Hrb??


From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 19:22:34 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:34 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:
...
> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.

Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.

What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Thanks,
al.

From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 19:47:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alain,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
<alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
of an order) is a bit distracting.

Take care,
Daniel


From lystor at lystor.org.ua  Wed May 28 21:47:19 2008
From: lystor at lystor.org.ua (Nikolay Ulyanitsky)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:47:19 +0300
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1212011239.4856.0.camel@lystor.users.home.lystor.org.ua>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:22 -0400, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Width / height = 16 / 10


-- 
Nikolay Ulyanitsky <lystor at lystor.org.ua>



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:22:29 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:29 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDB25.7020108@uoregon.edu>


Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:.
>> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.
> 
> Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
> various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.
> 
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

I think he means for widescreen displays, which are getting more and more 
popular. Common resolutions are 1280x800, 1440x900, 1920x1200. You can 
probably google for a better list, but those are the big three I think.

-Brandon


From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:25:00 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:25:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> of an order) is a bit distracting.

Someone's a little OCD :)

I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png

-Brandon


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Thu May 29 00:15:15 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:15:15 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
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Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.
> 
> I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
> details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
> responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
> or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
> people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
> they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
> expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.
> 
> Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
> details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
> to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
> be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
> they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
> Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
> Fail would be good.
> 
>> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
>> current pacakges in the testing repo.
> 
> I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
> there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
> the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

If those packages are travelling together, then they should stay 
together. However, if new cft appears without its companions, and gets 
no testing, it's hard to justify its promotion.

And this is just testing, deleting it here doesn't mean it vanishes from 
the target repo.
> 
> The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

Always, it's communication.

I think email should _always_ go out, even if the builder doesn't intend 
it to be promoted. If there's a point to putting it into the repo, it's 
to share it, and if you want people to use it you have to tell them.

The email must contain a summary of what's changed, and a summary of 
what the package does. If I don't use it now, tell me why I might want to!

A lot of package descriptions are next to incomprehensible. Take this, 
from F9:
FAAD 2 is a LC, MAIN and LTP profile, MPEG2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder, 
completely
written from scratch.

This package contains libfaad.


Better, something like "FAAD 2" decodes various (generic description of 
just what MAIN, LTP etc are), including (name them) and is used for/by ....

If they're used by Amorok and I know I use that, then I know maybe I 
should be interested in this.

The email might link to a wiki, but don't expect users to use the wiki 
to decide whether it's something they should test.

I presume that these announcements would amount to quite a bit of email, 
maybe enough to seriously change the nature of this list should they 
come here.

You might consider a new list, maybe "updates-announcements" where these 
announcements go, and that responses be directed to this list. This list 
might help where/if there are different packagers on different 
platforms: Joe builds on IA32, Fred sees he needs to build on zSeries 
and Freda on Power.

Seed it with members of this list, it's little different from just 
sending mail here, and gives users of this list the ability to opt out. 
This would ensure there's a decent number of eyeballs seeing its 
contents from day one.

The list description for the new list would recommend also subscribing 
to this list, but I don't think everyone will want to.

The description of this list should be updated to recommend new 
subscribers also subscribe to updates-announcements so as to keep 
abreast of threatened changes. Again, not everyone will want to.

If there's a formal test procedure for a particular package, then this 
should be described in its wiki document. I imagine some packages - gcc, 
postgresql for example - might have established test cases to run, and 
others might be added as new bugs are reported and resolved.




-- 

Cheers
John

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http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

You cannot reply off-list:-)


From subsolar at subsolar.com  Thu May 29 00:23:04 2008
From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
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	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
Message-ID: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:25 -0700, Brandon Davidson wrote:
> Daniel de Kok wrote:
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> > <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> > 
> > Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> > of an order) is a bit distracting.
> 
> Someone's a little OCD :)
> 
> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> -Brandon

Like that one much more personally.

Paul



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Thu May 29 00:32:25 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
	<1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
Message-ID: <483DF999.1060504@uoregon.edu>

Paul wrote:
>> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
>> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> Like that one much more personally.


I too favor the 'streams and lines' ones (either horizontal or vertical) over 
the others. They remind me of a stream of bubbles in water... odd, box-shaped 
bubbles :) The one with the tiled logo is particularly busy and would, I 
think, get on my nerves.

-Brandon


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Thu May 29 07:42:34 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:34 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
In-Reply-To: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805290042p2434dae2sfcd3aac63cb60c88@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM, William Boyle <woboyle at ieee.org> wrote:
> I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
> and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
> boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
> necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

Hi William,

We currently have enough testers for the 5.2 release. But I'll keep
your name in the back of my head if we need more help. We appriciate
that you are willing to volunteer. If you would like it, there are
some other things for which we could use more people. So if you are
interrested in let us know.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Thu May 29 09:19:49 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:19:49 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483E7535.2080008@karan.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.


I tried to implement some of the stuff I wrote in my previous email -
implement on the wiki that is, and its too much work getting all the
stuff together. And its 'too much' enough, to make it something that
most people wont bother with, it raises the barrier too far.

Perhaps a php or python+django or Rails hosted app that can manage this
for us would be good. Anyone fancy a shot ?

I can work with Tim and get some sort of a specification up...

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Thu May 29 19:49:56 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:49:56 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
Message-ID: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello all..

I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/

But where can I find the source?

Thanks...Paul...




From jeff at osuosl.org  Fri May 30 00:08:04 2008
From: jeff at osuosl.org (Jeff Sheltren)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:08:04 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>

On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:

> Hello all..
>
> I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
>
> But where can I find the source?
>
> Thanks...Paul...

I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec

Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...

-Jeff


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Fri May 30 03:11:58 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:11:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <1212117118.3635.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks..  I was already building using the version from dev.centos.org
(buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm), so I didn't want to
deviate too much.

At any rate, I've discovered that the latest buildsys-build spec
"template" is available in the git repo for mock.  Strange that I don't
see it in the latest mock .tar.gz release though.

I queried the CentOS version (rpm -qp --requires
buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm 2>/dev/null | sort) and
discovered the diff between it and the latest from git:  CentOS requires
'python' where the latest version from the mock git repo does not.  The
git version requires 'buildsys-macros' where the CentOS version does
not.

Looking at /etc/mock/epel-5-i386.cfg on my Fedora 9 install, I found
that 'buildsys-macros' RPM and SRPM could be found here:
http://buildsys.fedoraproject.org/buildgroups/rhel5/i386/

Now I know what I'm dealing with, but this would have been a whole lot
easier to figure out if the CentOS SRPM had been available..  :(

Cheers...Paul...

-------

P.S....

Browse the mock git repo here to find buildsys-build.spec.template:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser

Browse previous .spec versions (before buildsys-build.spec was renamed
to buildsys-build.spec.template):
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/log/buildsys-build.spec?rev=1c14b3c9b6fcbad867afbb7cc09ec5d91cf9e642

Looks like this version (0.5-4) is closest to the centos rpm version
wise:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser/buildsys-build.spec?rev=04580c1234b74957e25d490993e74095ae218d5d



On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:08 -0700, Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> Sender: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> Errors-To: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> X-Spam: exempt
> X-MAIL-FROM: <centos-devel-bounces at centos.org>
> X-SOURCE-IP: [72.21.40.12]
> 
> On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > Hello all..
> >
> > I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> > http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
> >
> > But where can I find the source?
> >
> > Thanks...Paul...
> 
> I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
> http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec
> 
> Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...
> 
> -Jeff
> _______________________________________________
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> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:12:45 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:45 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-52.EL
Message-ID: <483F7EBD.20509@ict.swin.edu.au>

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be 
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be 
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:41:53 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:41:53 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <483F8591.8030606@ict.swin.edu.au>

(I am sending this message again with the correct subject).

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin


From tru at centos.org  Fri May 30 10:20:02 2008
From: tru at centos.org (Tru Huynh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:20:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <20080530102002.GC13736@sillage.bis.pasteur.fr>

Thanks to John Newbigin the new GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are
now available.

http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

i386:
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm

Best regards,

Tru
-- 
Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance)
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBEFA581B
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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 30 11:53:46 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:53:46 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
> 
> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From ned at unixmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 12:31:48 2008
From: ned at unixmail.co.uk (Ned Slider)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:31:48 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <483FF3B4.9070004@unixmail.co.uk>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 
> 
> 

You could check the developers blogs at:

http://planet.centos.org/

Specifically Tim's posting from May 23, 2008.



From csieh at fnal.gov  Fri May 30 16:15:37 2008
From: csieh at fnal.gov (Connie Sieh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org> <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>

On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>> 
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>

There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/

There should be x86_64 version available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64

soon.

-Connie Sieh
>
>
>


From rayvd at bludgeon.org  Fri May 30 16:30:47 2008
From: rayvd at bludgeon.org (Ray Van Dolson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:30:47 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
Message-ID: <20080530163046.GA16730@bludgeon.org>

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:15:37AM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:
>
>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>>
>>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>>
>> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
>> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
>> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>>
>
> There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/
>
> There should be x86_64 version available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64
>
> soon.
>
> -Connie Sieh

To the parent poster.. if you're just wanting to test for better
graphics support, why not use an eval copy of RHEL 5.2 vs an Alpha of
SL?

(If you're needing to test *now* vs in a week or two)

Ray


From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 30 18:10:02 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:10:02 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <484042FA.6030403@gmail.com>

John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 

Can you be more specific as to what you consider "adequate support for 
graphics"?

-- 
   Les Mikesell
     lesmikesell at gmail.com



From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Sat May 31 14:39:21 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:39:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS Forums again
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805310739n79ea479y760eecf6159929bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Having some time to do stuff for CentOS here at LinuxTag I've also
being building FreeIPA packages for CentOS. The idea that this will be
core part of a central authentication system. Meaning that you will
only need 1 account that you can use to login into the website, forum,
wiki, bugtracker, systems, ...

IMHO the most important system that needs to be attached to the
central auth database are the forums. There are a lot of users there
(and a lot of content). So I was thinking, why not fix 2 things at the
same time. Migrate from the old forum to the new forum that is linked
to the central auth system. And then later on couple the other
existing apps to it.

My feeling is that the most productive way to get forward with the
website/forum update is to split the forum from the website. In my
experience the forum present in CMS tools aren't made for the amount
of traffic we are having. So something dedicated sound like a better
option. So I have been looking around for open source forum software
that link to ldap without to much effort. I've looked at 3 projects
(Phorum, phpBB and SMF). They all 3 are good looking, well featured
and maintained. Though, only phpBB has a decent built-in LDAP
integration (FreeIPA is built on top of LDAP).

So my proposal is to setup a FreeIPA instance, link it with phpBB and
try to migrate a part of the current forums and see how all that
works. And if it looks good migrate to that.

So what do people think, did I miss stuff, other suggestions, ...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  2 04:55:33 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:55:33 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] xorg 7.2 on CentOS5
In-Reply-To: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <481A9EC5.4090607@herakles.homelinux.org>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Has anyone built xorg 7.2 for C5, or have handy hints on how it might be 
> done?
> 

"Too much trouble," I decided. Had to pull in too many dependencies, and 
by the time PolicyKit and ConsoleKit got included, it wasn't much like 
RHEL5-clone any more.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Fri May  2 17:19:21 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:19:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM

are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be 
found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Fri May  2 22:10:03 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:10:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.

I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
5.2 is released anyway.

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Sat May  3 11:19:59 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:19:59 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
>> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.
> 
> I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
> there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
> libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
> whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
> 5.2 is released anyway.

afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one 
version behind the current libvirt is far away.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 10:16:05 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:16:05 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
	<481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050316s6c3ace87rfb719a47acdecfe3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farkas,

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one
> version behind the current libvirt is far away.

Let's wait until 5.2 is out. When it is, could you create a list of
features (if any) that we absolutely need, and that are not in libvirt
included in 5.2? If there is a strong case for it (e.g. absence of
proper KVM support), we could look into providing it in CentOS-plus.

Take care,
Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May  5 12:47:54 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 20:47:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
Message-ID: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>

Hi,

I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
I need a respin dist (all updates included).

I wrote a script to generate my CentOS5-respin. My CentOS5 tree is at
/centos/5, it is rsynced with a Taiwan mirror daily. My generated
CentOS5 tree is placed at /centos/5-respin.

The generation of CentOS5-respin by my script runs fine, but the
generated CentOS5-respin tree has a problem: During network installation
using this CentOS5-respin tree, when it gets rpm installation, it always
complains "The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm cannot
be opened.". In the text console, the error message is "Failed to get
http://myserver/centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm".
Anaconda should look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/CentOS, but
it actually looks for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64.

Any ideas?
It would be nice if anyone could point me to some useful docs.

Thanks!
Ruomu

P.S. Here's my script:

#!/bin/bash
#
# gen_respin_distro
#
# To use this script, the following rpms need to installed first:
# anaconda
# anaconda-help
# anaconda-runtime
# busybox-anaconda ?
# bogl
# booty
# netpbm
# netpbm-progs
# mkisofs

#TODO
# 1. Should we use pkgorder? If yes, when?
# 2. Do we need to run pkgorder before buildinstall?
# 3. Do we need to run createrepo? Buildinstall seems to calls it.
# 4. Why does it look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64?


# Check tools
rpmmerge=`dirname "$0"`/rpmmerge
if [ ! -x "$rpmmerge" ]; then
echo "$rpmmerge does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
createrepo="/usr/bin/createrepo"
if [ ! -x "$createrepo" ]; then
echo "$createrepo does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
buildinstall="/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/buildinstall"
if [ ! -x "$buildinstall" ]; then
echo "$buildinstall does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi

# Set variables and functions
src="/centos/5"
dest="/centos/5-respin"
distro="CentOS"
arch="x86_64"
version="5"
product="CentOS"
release="Respin"
prodpath="CentOS"
eval_retval()
{
test $? -ne 0 && exit 1
}

# Merge rpms
echo -e "*** Merge rpms ***\n"
$rpmmerge $src/os/$arch/$distro $src/updates/$arch/RPMS
$dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval

# Create repo data
echo -e "\n*** Create repo data ***\n"
#cp -al $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml $dest/os/$arch/$distro
#eval_retval
$createrepo -q -g $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml -c $dest/os/$arch/cache \
-o $dest/os/$arch $dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval
#rm -f $dest/os/$arch/$distro/comps.xml
#eval_retval

# Run buildinstall
export PYTHONPATH="/usr/lib/anaconda"
echo -e "\n*** Buildinstall ***\n"
sudo $buildinstall \
--pkgorder "$dest/os/$arch/pkgorder.txt" \
--version $version \
--product $product \
--release $release \
--prodpath $prodpath \
$dest/os/$arch
eval_retval

exit 0


From mattdm at mattdm.org  Mon May  5 13:56:53 2008
From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:53 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
> I need a respin dist (all updates included).

Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
packages already installed.

-- 
Matthew Miller           mattdm at mattdm.org          <http://mattdm.org/>
Boston University Linux      ------>              <http://linux.bu.edu/>


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:23:46 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:23:46 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
Message-ID: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>

Developers, developers, developers ...

We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
<http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
editorial staff.

(Note: We can still discuss about that)

What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:

- Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
- should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
  one person)
- Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
  weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
  schemes. 
- Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
  about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
  way for quick and lasting flame fests)

And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
that list (or at least help with that)?

Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
offerings.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:26:07 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:07 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080505152607.GL9139@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? 
                                            ^at
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From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Mon May  5 15:57:46 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:57:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>

I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).

Example:

* The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
* Specific skills needed should appear on the email.

That's just my twenty cents.

- Scott

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...
>
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
>
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
>
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
>
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
>
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
>
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
>
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>   



From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 15:52:33 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...

I love this project!

>  - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)

People who want to apply for a job should know how to handle Google
:). Additionally, I think it normally only useful to skim through the
job offers of the last one or two months.

>  - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)

Yes.

>  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes.

I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

>  - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)

No, it does not serve a purpose. If someone want to follow up on an
offer, they can do so via private mail.

>  And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
>  vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
>  Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
>  that list (or at least help with that)?

Other projects have comparable lists, and they are great. Sometimes
the offers are too general, so, I am all in for moderation. I'd like
to help moderating.

-- Daniel


From amyagi at gmail.com  Mon May  5 16:06:56 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:06:56 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
>  >  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>  >   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>  >   schemes.
>
>  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
and accepted or would it be rejected?

http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

Akemi


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:16 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:16 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
> and accepted or would it be rejected?
> 
> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:41 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:41 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>

Scott Grizzard wrote:
> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> 
> Example:
> 
> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.

What about the country? =:D

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:21:31 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:21:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050921k5ac8ac62i73de77e7c3fcc3ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Akemi Yagi <amyagi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
>  >  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  >  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.
>
>  As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>  CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>  and accepted or would it be rejected?
>  http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

I would reject it:

- It does note state where CentOS is involved.
- It is not clear whether the company wants to hire a person full
time, or wants to make use of consulting services.
- What prior experience is required? What qualifications?
(- How about salary/benefits?)

I think this is a good example what a job offer could look like:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-jobs/2006/07/21/0000.html

-- Daniel


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:32:00 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:32:00 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Scott Grizzard wrote:
> > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
> 
> What about the country? =:D

Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:41:06 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:41:06 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>  > Scott Grizzard wrote:
>  > > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>  > > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>  > >
>  > > Example:
>  > >
>  > > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>  >
>  > What about the country? =:D
>
>  Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
>  allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
>  at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Yes. If an offer is purely in a foreign language, it's probably better
off on one of the non-English lists after an acknowledgement of the
list moderator. I have only once received such request for the Dutch
list.

-- Daniel
-- Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:43:31 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:43:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805051143n51ebcc35pa928ed915da7d981@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've got no real comments based on what was already said. I just want
to say it is a good idea.

What maybe is a option is to post the rules and some sort of template
on the wiki and refer to that when people want to post something.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Mon May  5 21:59:16 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:59:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>

On Mon, 5 May 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Scott Grizzard wrote:
>>> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>>> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>>
>> What about the country? =:D
>
> Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
> allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
> at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

I took that to ask if the country/location as well as the city should be 
required in the subject rather than what language the text might happen to 
be in.

For example a job offer in the city of 'Cambridge' might be in one of 
several places... :-)

Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.

  -- Jon

[ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]


From rwalker at medallion.com  Mon May  5 22:01:57 2008
From: rwalker at medallion.com (Ross S. W. Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:01:57 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> 
> Developers, developers, developers ...
> 
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
> 
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
> 
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
> 
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
> 
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
> 
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
> 
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.

A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
and recruitment firms.

Just my .02 

-Ross

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From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 22:13:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:13:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
<rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>  and recruitment firms.

Hence moderation ;).

-- Daniel


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:21:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:21:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <481F966A.2070204@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jon Peatfield wrote:

> Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
> should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
> their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
> accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.
> 
>  -- Jon
> 
> [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]

HEP?


It's not obvious to me that, should I be looking for someone to work on 
my CentOS project that I should restrict myself to people who are 
already involved in CentOS. Generally, I would think, people experienced 
in RHEL or SL would serve as well, and those familiar with other distros 
(Debian, SUSE) might bring fresh ideas.

I like the Shuttles technique - go on a holiday. Take archives of 
mailing lists. Evaluate peoples' skills, attitudes (eg how they deal 
with others)and ethics. Then, issue invitations.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:25:35 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:25:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>
>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
> 
> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect they're 
looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do. Maybe a 
smallbusiness person who does such things.

It doesn't look like enough work for one.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:32:00 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:32:00 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com> <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <481F98F0.3030101@herakles.homelinux.org>

Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
>> I need a respin dist (all updates included).
> 
> Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
> updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
> packages already installed.
> 
I'm with Matthew. If you do it on the road a lot, pack a laptop with the 
repos you want, dhcpd, tftp (run BIND too) installed and ready to start, 
a small switch and a few wires.And, maybe, a DVD and boot cd, just in case.

You can reconfigure as needed in %post and on first boot.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Tue May  6 00:48:49 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:48:49 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <20080506004849.GD25909@br-online.de>

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
> and recruitment firms.

So you want to apply for that database job which requires no oracle
knowledge but if you can bring in some cli experience (can you spell
${VARIABLE}?) we'd like to talk to you.
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From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Tue May  6 01:01:36 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:01:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F966A.2070204@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
	<481F966A.2070204@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805060151490.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

<snip>
>>  [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]
>
> HEP?

HEP == High Energy Physics (almost universally I thought).

It is just a job supporting computing in that group here (well ~50% of the 
time) so the actual meaning isn't very important.

The deadline for applications is today and it is a junior post so I doubt 
that many people reading this would be very interested.  If you are I'm 
sure that your advanced google-fu would let you find it pretty quickly ;-)

  -- Jon


From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Tue May  6 02:26:32 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:26:32 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
	<481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <CDD33788-469F-4C7B-87F0-E3C314331FA9@scottgrizzard.com>

You know what would be a good idea:

If you had a website that would parse various job postings on mailing  
lists, then categorize them by location, job type, etc. and post them  
on a craig's list type setting.  Hmmm........

Seriously, I think the job posting list is a great idea, no matter  
what form it takes.  I also think that having formatting guidelines  
for posting jobs is a good idea, so that people that subscribe can set  
up email filters that sort out the junk.

I think ease of setting up rules should be the primary motavation for  
the guidelines.

That would also take out some of the abuse potential, as humans would  
have to reformat the emails they are posting everywhere else for this  
mailing list.

-- Scott

PS: Anyone looking for an MA in economics with some mean centos and  
ubuntu skills?  He He He...

On May 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, John Summerfield wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>>
>>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
>> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
>> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.
>
> It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect  
> they're looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do.  
> Maybe a smallbusiness person who does such things.
>
> It doesn't look like enough work for one.
>
> -- 
>
> Cheers
> John
>
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From me at danieldk.org  Tue May  6 07:44:30 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:44:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
Message-ID: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
packaged.

Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
CentOS Wiki at:

http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories

The qemu package is named (surprise :)) 'qemu', and can be installed
after adding the testing repository:

yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install qemu

Thanks,
Daniel


From mark at foster.cc  Tue May  6 15:12:23 2008
From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:12:23 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48207557.6000501@foster.cc>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
> repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
> future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
> ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
> packaged.
>   

Wonderful!
Hopeful to see kqemu soon, too.
qemu + kqemu is great alternative to vmware* and for those of use who 
don't have vmx-capable hardware. So nice that vdisk created with 
qemu-img should be transportable between qemu & kvm.

-- 
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
Mark D. Foster, CISSP <mark at foster.cc>  http://mark.foster.cc/




From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 15:19:40 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 17:19:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>

there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
-----------------------------------------------------
# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "downloadonly" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
Reading repository metadata in from local files
0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for 
package: kmod-kvm
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed 
by package kmod-kvm
-----------------------------------------------------
you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
                                  ^^^
and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?


Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM
> 
> Akemi
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Wed May  7 15:50:46 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:50:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>  Setting up Install Process
>  Setting up repositories
>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>  Parsing package install arguments
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  --> Running transaction check
>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
> kmod-kvm
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
> package kmod-kvm
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>                                  ^^^
>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?

Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.

# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
(snip)
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check

Dependencies Resolved

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
 kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
c5-testing        701 k
 kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M

Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
Install      2 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove       0 Package(s)

-Akemi


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 16:36:58 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:36:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>>  Setting up Install Process
>>  Setting up repositories
>>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>>  Parsing package install arguments
>>  Resolving Dependencies
>>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  --> Running transaction check
>>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
>> kmod-kvm
>>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
>> package kmod-kvm
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>>                                  ^^^
>>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?
> 
> Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
> running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.
> 
> # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
> (snip)
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
> ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
> ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
> --> Running transaction check
> 
> Dependencies Resolved
> 
> =============================================================================
>  Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
> =============================================================================
> Installing:
>  kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
> c5-testing        701 k
>  kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M
> 
> Transaction Summary
> =============================================================================
> Install      2 Package(s)
> Update       0 Package(s)
> Remove       0 Package(s)

after remove the previous version then it's works otherwise not.
unfortunately the bigger problem kvm-66 is not working for us. the 
latest usable version was 62 (so we witch back to 62). our setup:
- host:
   - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
   - Intel S3000AHV
   - 8GB RAM
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-1:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 i386 32bit
- guest-2:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-3:
   - Mandrake-9
   - kernel-2.4.19.16mdk-1-1mdk 32bit
- guest-4:
   - Mandrake-10
   - kernel-2.6.14.2-p4-smp 32bit
- guest-5:
   - Windows XP Professional 32bit
mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are 
  boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Wed May  7 18:23:27 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:23:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805071123y6498134o9a17fb0dde295184@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

Could you give more information? E.g. what kind of error do you get
when the kernel panics?

-- Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Thu May  8 11:49:42 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:49:42 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
Message-ID: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>

Hi!

Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
there be any problems?

Thanks!

Ruomu


From kanarip at kanarip.com  Thu May  8 12:01:03 2008
From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:01:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
> there be any problems?
> 

Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;

No, you can't.

Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
 >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  9 04:59:08 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 12:59:08 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com> <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
Message-ID: <4823DA1C.2000305@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
>> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
>> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
>> there be any problems?
>>
> 
> Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
> compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;
> 
> No, you can't.
> 
> Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
>  >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
> looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

I suspect the code imbeds quite a deal of knowledge about what is being 
installed, too.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it  Fri May  9 08:40:56 2008
From: jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it (Marco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:40:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Backuppc 3.1.0
Message-ID: <305947.24643.qm@web27603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
i was looking for a backup system for small mixed
environment (linux and windows) to install on a centos
5.1 server and a tryed to use backuppc 3.1.0 from the
testing repository, mainly becouse I have already
succesfully used it in the past on a fedora server and
because it perfectly matches my requirements.

This is my expirience:

Before starting I carefully read this useful
documents:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2403
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=1299

http://marc.info/?l=centos-devel&m=117145576710647&w=2

The first installation worked fine: I configured the
repository in yum and I succesfully downloaded and
installed backuppc and all the dependecies.

I configured apache to run as backuppc user instead of
apache and the server 
started working.

The server on wich i'm running backuppc is a general
purpose server and it's not dedicated 
to the backup job, so for me is a big issue running
apache as the backuppc user.

Studying the above mentioned documentation I solved
the issue by this way:

1) I downloaded the SRPMS version of backuppc
2) I manually applied the modification suggested by
ScratchMonkey to the spec file (the diff file proposed
on the bug tracker didn't work out of the box becouse
it refers to a previus version of backuppc, but I was
easily able to manually apply the modification).
3) I recompiled the RPM and I succesfully installed
it.
4) I configured apache to work in suexec mode (using
the sample conf file published on the bug tracker).

The server is now working fine and I havan't any
performance issue on the web intrface (but i have very
few clients).

My suggestion is to use the suexec mode which I find
very easy to implement and without collateral effect
on other web application published from the same
apache server.

I hope this will help.

Marco




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From dag at centos.org  Fri May  9 10:37:57 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:37:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
> <rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>>  and recruitment firms.
>
> Hence moderation ;).

Jobs are only useful based on location, that means a particular job in 
Brussels may not appeal to 99% of the subscribers, and therefor the 
signal-to-noise ratio is very poor. (May be different for very short 
contract work items or simple support requests)

I would leave job-offerings to dedicated, specialised sites where people 
can search and put resumes online. But if we have people to volunteer for 
the moderation I do not object with an experiment :)

I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
required. Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:

 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May  9 12:11:58 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:11:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080509121158.GR9139@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
> required. 

It's not going to be that much of a task to moderate a few job postings.

> Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:
>
> 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
> 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

As it does for at least netbsd, as far as I know (one of their
developers is sitting a few desks away and we talked about that a little
bit).

Ralph
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From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 10 01:34:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:34:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805091834u2e9e5ccq4b6af62f0017b805@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> On Monday 25 February 2008, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> ...
>> > Johnny, could you let us know your reasons for wanting to point to the
>> > remote GPG key?
>>
>> We DON'T allow downloads of ISOs from centos.org servers due to
>> bandwidth considerations.  It would be fairly easy to put out an ISO
>> that had different RPMS and a different key.
>>
>> Granted, people CAN check the md5 and sha1 sum of the ISOs if they choose.
>>
>> Since we do control the content of every mirror.centos.org server, we
>> know that the key file is correct.  In order to make that key AND the
>> RPMS be bad, they need a doctored CD *AND* they need to hijack our
>> content by DNS poisoning or getting control of our servers.
>>
>> I just think if you are using the internet anyway, why not also get the
>> key from a known location.
>
> I agree that there's something intuitively right about that, but,
> unfortunately it's wrong :-)
>
> Here's why.
>
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...
>
> It will have to be up to the user to make sure (with our help, signed .isos,
> installers that check rpm signatures and stage2 signature) that he/she has an
> ok system. If they fail then they don't really run centos, they run haxx0r os
> and any attempt to validate anything inside that will fail.
>
> /Peter

This discussion has been dormant for a while...  With 5.2 just around
the corner, isn't it a good idea to wrap this up and reach some sort
of a conclusion?

Akemi


From me at danieldk.org  Sat May 10 14:35:54 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:35:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805100735x687e2fb0n9249b2f47f60226c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...

Or a modified yum or RPM that only appears to do verification. I agree
that we should at the very least suppose that the user verifies the
installation media.

As for DNS poisoning or hacking, that misery can potentially happen to
everyone, and a good manner to guard against this is relying on the
pre-installed key from media that was proven to be correct. So, I
think this should be the default behavior.

Take care,
Daniel


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sat May 10 22:16:12 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:16:12 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
Message-ID: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.

However, even then, there are several file types for which no
thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm

Regards
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	thunar-thumbnailers
Name: 		thunar-thumbnailers
Version: 	0.3.2
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Graphics
URL: 		http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/ristretto

Source: 	http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/%{name}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.9
BuildRequires: 	ImageMagick-devel >= 6.2.8.0

Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.9
Requires: 	ImageMagick >= 6.2.8.0

%description
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate previews of image and font files and can automatically use available GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
However, even then, there are several file types for which no thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall

%post
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-vfs-update-thumbnailers-cache-1

%postun
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :


%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README
%{_datadir}/mime/packages/%{name}.xml
%{_libexecdir}/*thumbnailer
%{_datadir}/thumbnailers/*.desktop

%changelog
* Sun Apr 11 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.3.2-1
- Initial package.
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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:30:04 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:30:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:46:25 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:25 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
Message-ID: <4826CE81.5010305@centos.org>

Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
>>
>> Description:
>> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
>> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
>> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
>> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
>>
>> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
>> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
>> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats.
>> Download: 
>> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
>>
> 
> Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

To answer my own question by reading the spec file :D ... for centos-5

I am currently building this and if all goes well, will include it in 
CentOS Extras.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 11:17:41 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 06:17:41 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Heiko,

Would you test these and see if they do what you want:

http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 12:11:01 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:11:01 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
Message-ID: <1210507861.6481.2.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Sonntag, den 11.05.2008, 06:17 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
> Heiko,
> 
> Would you test these and see if they do what you want:
> 
> http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/
IMHO they work as expected.
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 15:42:26 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:42:26 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: squeeze
Message-ID: <1210520546.9363.4.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the squeeze-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop
Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze
is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/squeeze-0.2.3-1.src.rpm

Regards,
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	Squeeze
Name: 		squeeze
Version: 	0.2.3
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Utilities
URL: 		http://squeeze.xfce.org

Source: 	http://squeeze.xfce.org/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	gtk2-devel >= 2.10
BuildRequires: 	libxfce4util-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	libxfcegui4-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	dbus-glib-devel >= 0.34
BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.8

Requires: 	gtk2 >= 2.10
Requires: 	libxfce4util >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	libxfcegui4 >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	dbus-glib >= 0.34
Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.8

%description
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall
%{__rm} %{buildroot}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache
%find_lang %{name}

%post
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%postun
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files -f %{name}.lang
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README TODO
%{_bindir}/%{name}
%{_includedir}/libsqueeze-0.2
%{_libdir}/*
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-archive-plugin/%{name}.tap
%{_datadir}/applications/%{name}.desktop
%{_datadir}/icons/*
%{_datadir}/locale/*
%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libsqueeze/*

%changelog
* Sat Apr 10 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.2.3-1
- Initial package.
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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 10:18:06 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:06 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
Message-ID: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Farkas Levente wrote:
>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 
>> are   boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>   
> 
> Can you post the panic?
> 
> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.

unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang 
at "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Tue May 13 10:48:40 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:48:40 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> >
> > Farkas Levente wrote:
> >
> > > mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Can you post the panic?
> >
> > It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
> >
>
>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.

Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 11:58:32 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:32 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
	<48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48298268.9000700@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>>> Farkas Levente wrote:
>>>
>>>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
>> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>>>
>>> Can you post the panic?
>>>
>>> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
>>>
>>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
>> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.
> 
> Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

at the same time it'd be useful to merge the fedora and centos spec 
files too (in kvm-68 i used a spec file based on fedora's spec).
the two main differences the bootmenu patch, bios, and the separate qemu 
package which is already in testing too.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Tue May 13 21:01:45 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:01:45 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
Message-ID: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
no error messages are shown.
Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2

Can anyone confirm this?
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 06:57:22 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:57:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
> webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
> The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
> no error messages are shown.
> Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2
> 
> Can anyone confirm this?

That's more or less the same for me. Using a Citrix Terminal Server with
web-interface. In the statusbar I get 'Start: applet not initialized.'.

I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(

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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 10:29:38 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:29:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
Message-ID: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Hello,

CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

Any thoughts?

Niels

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Wed May 14 11:12:30 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:12:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore
	with OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <1210763550.2702.0.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Mittwoch, den 14.05.2008, 08:57 +0200 schrieb Niels de Vos:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
> I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(
That sounds funny because the OpenJDK 1.6 JRE is the Sun-HRE :-)
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 14 15:16:37 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:16:37 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>

Niels de Vos wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
> the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
> the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
> only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
> think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

not really no.

There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with 
5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then 
take this issue up if it still needs attention

- KB


From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 15:21:51 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:21:51 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com> <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
Message-ID: <482B038F.6090908@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Niels de Vos wrote:
>> Is there any
>> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?
> 
> not really no.
> 
> There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with
> 5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then
> take this issue up if it still needs attention

Okay, I'll wait and see what comes :)

Thanks

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From rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za  Sat May 17 10:25:27 2008
From: rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za (Rabie Van der Merwe)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:25:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
Message-ID: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>


Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
are making there way into the mirrors.
I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
files:
lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml

I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.

Regards
Rabie van der Merwe
Infrastructure Architect

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From johnny at centos.org  Sat May 17 12:09:13 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:09:13 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
In-Reply-To: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
References: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
Message-ID: <482ECAE9.6030308@centos.org>

Rabie Van der Merwe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
> if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
> are making there way into the mirrors.
> I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
> 'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
> 'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
> am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
> files:
> lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml
> 
> I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.
> 

This is now correct ... should trickle down soon.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 17 13:56:56 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:56:56 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS as a project ?
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910804241203j220814fw84262208d486d34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4810EFEA.8090102@karan.org> <20080425100044.GT19680@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060207x36573bd8s2ec41cf7bf0fb666@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506092127.GA36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060235o18287b2cx4b9cb2020fe5f93e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506093648.GB36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080517135656.GB31684@br-online.de>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> > That was *why* I CCed Gideon, as I didn't want to ask Alain if he wanted
> > to take the lead while your brother "officially" had that before.
> 
> I finally got a hold of him wrt this subject, and he is ok with
> passing on the hat. It suits him more to toss in artwork when he has
> time, but his schedule does not allow him to actively lead this.

Lucky you. So Alain - do you want to take the lead in the Artwork SIG?
We then could do an announcement on centos-devel/user, create a project
on projects.centos.org and maybe create a mailing list for that.

http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Artwork - there already is a
page on the wiki for that. Do you want something added to that before
the announcement (except exchange Gideon and you)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 11:54:10 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:54:10 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
random order) :

- Update the content of the slides (and translate them)

I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
the slides updated. So speak up :-)

- Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

- Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)

When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
changing desktops.

So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 12:23:10 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:10 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836B72E.1040901@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

Considering no one else can, this one is mine.

- KB


From orkcu at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 12:26:08 2008
From: orkcu at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roger_Pe=F1a?=)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <761494.58651.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Fri, 5/23/08, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
> To: "The CentOS developers mailing list." <centos-devel at centos.org>
> Received: Friday, May 23, 2008, 7:54 AM
> Hi,
> 
> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release
> of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These
> are (in
> random order) :
> 
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have
> changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we
> would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

there is a list for this kind of things (translations), so just use it :-)
centos-es is ready for that ;-)

cu
roger


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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 12:26:17 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:26:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

> So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
> to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
{0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
a few weeks ago.

A grep over my complete file system is running now, to see where this
string is mentioned.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:13:54 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:13:54 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into 
anaconda this time.

> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
> a few weeks ago.

ok, I can do that now.

- KB


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 13:21:22 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
Message-ID: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>
> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
> anaconda this time.

I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
can be gotten a hold of ...

>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>> a few weeks ago.
>
> ok, I can do that now.

As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
package. 

If I understand it correctly, then
/usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
ntp servers.

If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
/usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
more than upstream does, as that only contains 

server 0.pool.ntp.org 

lines.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:23:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:23:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
Message-ID: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>

ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2

Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog 
and mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the 
packages into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.

this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be 
enough ?

- KB


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:43:02 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2
>
> Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog and
> mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the packages
> into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.
>
> this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be enough
> ?

My feeling is that 6 days is going to be to short especially when some
of us are going to be at Linuxtag between the 28th and the 31th.

10 days sounds like a more reasonable estimate to me. But it will also
depend on how much issues we find. It can go faster but it can also go
slower.

Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 14:36:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

- KB


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 14:53:54 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org> <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
>> anaconda this time.
> 
> I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
> changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
> can be gotten a hold of ...
> 
>>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>>> a few weeks ago.
>> ok, I can do that now.
> 
> As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
> package. 
> 
> If I understand it correctly, then
> /usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
> startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
> ntp servers.
> 
> If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
> /usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
> more than upstream does, as that only contains 
> 
> server 0.pool.ntp.org 

My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It 
seems weird to me that it isn't.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 14:59:33 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:59:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>

John Summerfield wrote:
> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
> seems weird to me that it isn't.

Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
ntpd.

Ralph
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From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:17:58 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:17:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:
>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
>> seems weird to me that it isn't.
> 
> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
> ntpd.
> 

I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
with a different setting.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell at gmail.com


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:19 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

As this has slept in a bit and I'm still not too sure if it really is a
good idea (but I'm leaning towards it), I try to rephrase (should,
should not, must, must not as in RFC 2119):

- Jobs must have to do with CentOS
- List must be moderated
- Job offers must not just include links to other sites (meaning: Job
  offers must include full details)
- Foreign language mails are okay, as long as an english explanation is
  also in that mail
- Job offers should include Country and if applicable City in the
  subject
- There will be no discussion on that list
- There will be no Reply-To: for discussions on other lists
- List Reply-To: will be set to sender (so that you can answer directly)

Anything I missed?

Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:54 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de> <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523152054.GO6029@br-online.de>

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for  
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or  
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override  
> with a different setting.

I wasn't talking about any functionality changes here.

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:25:13 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:25:13 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230825x3415436ek9142a916a1b9e895@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
...snip...
>
> Anything I missed?

I don't hink so.

> Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Yep, just give it a go and see what happens.

> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

I don't think it will be a high volume list but I'm willing to help if
it is to much work.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 15:33:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:33:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
	<4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. 
>>> It  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>
>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>> ntpd.
>>
> 
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
> with a different setting.
> 
Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a 
goose of myself again.

I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, 
but I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by 
my dhcp server. Even on C4.

I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the 
DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what 
I had in mind.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From me at danieldk.org  Fri May 23 16:40:52 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:40:52 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805230940l7ca392demdb4b856a9abda4b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Correct.

Take care,
Daniel


From smooge at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:00:02 2008
From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:00:02 -0600
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de> <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
	<4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <80d7e4090805231000i502c297cwa9203f1344256cd4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM, John Summerfield
<debian at herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>>
>>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It
>>>>  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>>
>>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>>> ntpd.
>>>
>>
>> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for
>> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or less
>> like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override with a
>> different setting.
>>
> Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a goose
> of myself again.
>

It shouldn't be ignored out of the box.. my system got an updated ntp
but I am not sure if I changed it later. I will have to do a reinstall
to make sure... but it looks like its not ignoring.

> I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, but
> I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by my dhcp
> server. Even on C4.
>

Thats weird. I need to check my boxes again.

> I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the
> DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what I
> had in mind.
>

Thats a bit more of a change.. I think it would need to be an upstream
change first.


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:36:20 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:20 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
<tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>
> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
> changing desktops.

Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
image is:

http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug

Akemi


From centos-devel at centos.org  Fri May 23 18:24:41 2008
From: centos-devel at centos.org (VIAGRA ® Official Site)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
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From unfies at gmail.com  Fri May 23 18:30:55 2008
From: unfies at gmail.com (Will Langford)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:55 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
Message-ID: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...

j/k :)

-Will


From dag at centos.org  Sat May 24 08:43:00 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:43:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Tim Verhoeven wrote:

> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
> random order) :
>
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
>
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
  - Explain where to get documentation
  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
  - ...

Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could 
improve ?


> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)
>
> By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
> currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
> connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

When doing this on CentOS 5.1 in a kickstart file (repo directive) it 
would fail because of the wrong package order. One of the first things 
that needs to be installed is glibc (because of ldconfig) and coreutils 
but it didn't go first and 100% packages simply failed to install.

I didn't debug this, maybe the updates repo needed some special tweaking ?


-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 24 10:13:08 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:13:08 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

Maybe a tad late now? Especially if we think about translations.

>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>  - Explain where to get documentation
>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>  - ...

There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
things above.

> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
> improve ?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Sat May 24 10:30:14 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:30:14 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
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Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>
>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>> changing desktops.
> 
> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
> image is:
> 
> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug


Thanks,

I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 24 13:19:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:19:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805240619v1505fd11s54007051c63951e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
>> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>>
>>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>>> changing desktops.
>>
>> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
>> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
>> image is:
>>
>> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug
>
> Thanks,
>
> I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq

Surely.  Thanks.

Akemi


From mouss at netoyen.net  Sat May 24 19:30:47 2008
From: mouss at netoyen.net (mouss)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:30:47 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
	<2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
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Will Langford wrote:
> I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...
>
>   

I didn't know that <centos-devel at centos.org> was a member of this list...

Is there any reason to accept such junk (From: containing 
centos-devel at centos.org. or even *@centos.org if the submitter isn't in 
this domain)?


From postoffice at mailhub.owlriver.net  Sun May 25 11:41:03 2008
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From hoschi at mouhaha.de  Sun May 25 22:44:04 2008
From: hoschi at mouhaha.de (Oliver Peter)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:44:04 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
Message-ID: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>

Hi,

I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.

If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
not hesitate to contact me.

Bye

O.

-- 
Oliver PETER, email: hoschi at mouhaha.de, ICQ# 113969174
"Worker bees can leave.  Even drones can fly away.
                         The Queen is their slave."
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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 06:46:40 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:46:40 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>   
>>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>>  - Explain where to get documentation
>>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>>  - ...
>>     
>
> There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
> things above.
>   

The are currently 9 images in the anaconda rnotes directory for each
language, 01 -- 09.
Can we have e.g. 10-centos-release-cycle, 11-centos-extra etc. or something?

Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Ruomu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 08:41:40 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:41:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Exactly.

Ralph
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Mon May 26 09:18:36 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:18:36 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A806C.508@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
>> improve ?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

I don't have any editing rights there, don't need them either if this
mail is read ;)

My advice for the 05-centos5-centosplus.png would be to change the URL
to <http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories>. The wiki is very helpful and
this link is much easier to remember. On the wiki-page CentOSPlus is the
first repository mentioned, so this even fits to the contents of the slide.

Cheers,
Niels

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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 09:34:35 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:34:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
	<483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com> <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>   
>> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
>> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
>>     

I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Romu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 09:59:38 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:59:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
	<20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de> <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526095938.GY6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Ruomu Hu wrote:
> >   
> >> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> >> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
> >>     
> 
> I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
> there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Good.

Please wait for a call for translation for the Release Notes of CentOS
5.2 (which should go out today to this list).

There is no real chance to do new slides for 5.2, but I put that on my
ToDo list for 5.3. But: It would be great if you could translate our
Release Notes which live on http://wiki.centos.org/ (more details
follow).

What you can do now is register yourself a wiki account there
(FirstnameLastname, please) and tell me when you did so.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:39:00 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:39:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Volunteering for CentOS
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

   I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
  and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could help
with. I could help with testing and recompiling
  the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work you
need help with thats within my abilities, I
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:44:46 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:44:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>

Hello
>
>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me


Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
to help you

Best wishes,
                  Jordan

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From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:30:01 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:00:01 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155494980805270130q23098ca3s3b46c79871029dd9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
        I am glad to join with you CentOS devs and testers. I am ready to
spend my hours for centos testing. I am sure i may help you a little. I will
be glad to hlep you like Jordan Evans. :)

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best to help you
>
> Best wishes,
>                   Jordan
>
>
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
Regards,
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:32:19 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:32:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
> to help you

Hi Jordan,

Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
(http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
projects) and a ToDo section.

I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
what you think.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 09:02:04 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:02:04 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
In-Reply-To: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
References: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270202x106dd106p26679531260b9442@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Oliver Peter <hoschi at mouhaha.de> wrote:
>
> I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
> release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.
>
> If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
> not hesitate to contact me.

Hi Oliver,

Thank you for your interest in helping. We are a bit to far in the QA
process at the moment to include you at the moment. But keep an eye
this mailinglist for future announcements and requests for testers. If
you like you can check out the CentOS wiki (http://wiki.centos.org)
and have a look at the different projects and the ToDo list. Maybe you
can find some you are interested in there and can help out that way.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Tue May 27 22:58:11 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:58:11 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> >> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
> >>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> >> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
> >>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> >> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> >> --
> >> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
> >
> > Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best
> > to help you
>
> Hi Jordan,
>
> Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
> following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
> CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
> (http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
> projects) and a ToDo section.
>
> I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
> what you think.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83
>
> Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
> "microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
> (Linus Torvalds)
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi Tim,

    I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
on it.

                                               Best wishes,
                                                                Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 07:58:17 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:58:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280058v43c143bfp15579e55b6adaf5f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
> that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
> on it.
>

Very nice that you find some projects you like. Normally the people
responsable for those projects will respond to your mail. If not mail
again to centos-devel and say explicitly that you would like to help
on a certain project. Also, some people are busy so it may take a
couple of days for them to respond.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 08:55:31 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:55:31 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
Message-ID: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>

Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
 a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
to organise it on a ongoing basis.

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:09:13 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:13 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Karan,
                  I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
wrote:

> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>
> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>



-- 
Regards,
Karthi Keyan
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From aim.prabhat at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:50:34 2008
From: aim.prabhat at gmail.com (prabhat kumar)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 04:50:34 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebca8da00805280450j6c45f01bv77ea43821e4558e3@mail.gmail.com>

I also want to contribute something, since I am using CentOS from past 2
year.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:09 AM, KarthiKeyan <karthixinbox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Karan,
>                   I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
> procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
>> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
>> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
>> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
>> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>>
>> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
>> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>>
>> --
>> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
>> _______________________________________________
>> CentOS-devel mailing list
>> CentOS-devel at centos.org
>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Karthi Keyan
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
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From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 14:11:19 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:11:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jordan,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;).

I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
head, the most urgent things:

- Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
- Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
which is slow ;).
- Add RSS feeds.
- Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
latest).

The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
get peer-review).

Take care,
Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:04:23 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:04:23 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Hi,

I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
current pacakges in the testing repo.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 15:42:17 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:42:17 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.

I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.

Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
Fail would be good.

> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
> current pacakges in the testing repo.

I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

- KB


From woboyle at ieee.org  Wed May 28 16:26:52 2008
From: woboyle at ieee.org (William Boyle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
Message-ID: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>

I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

William Boyle
Application Frameworks and Systems, Inc.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 17:17:54 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:54 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281017r997b192s69e7ec208dc292c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:

> Hi Jordan,
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> > that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my
> python
> > ;).
>
> I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
> thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
> Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
> There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
> head, the most urgent things:
>
> - Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
> - Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
> record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
> which is slow ;).
> - Add RSS feeds.
> - Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
> parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
> we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
> latest).
>
> The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
> work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
> tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
> get peer-review).
>
> Take care,
> Daniel
>  _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi

After I brush up on my python and learn the Django web framework, I would
like to try to get a demo working and get the changelog thing sorted out,
but that won't be for a couple days.

       Cheers
                 Jordan
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:00:36 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:00:36 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>

Developers,

Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz

Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png

Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
Could someone help on that ?

Thanks,
al.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:13:48 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:43:48 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281113h493cc11dlabf39b7658f99e1a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado <
alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:

> Developers,
>
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think
> ?
>
> LoginScreen:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
>
> Wallpaper:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
>
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
>
> Thanks,
> al.
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi,

    The wallpaper looks really nice, it looks pretty modern and it doesn't
distract
    away from anything

Good job,

              Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From hrbac.conf at seznam.cz  Wed May 28 18:56:15 2008
From: hrbac.conf at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgSHJiw6HEjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:56:15 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>

Alain Reguera Delgado napsal(a):
> Developers,
> 
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
> 
> Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
> 
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> al.

Alain,
it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version. Anyway, the wall 
paper looks pretty fine.
Regards,
David Hrb??


From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 19:22:34 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:34 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:
...
> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.

Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.

What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Thanks,
al.

From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 19:47:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alain,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
<alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
of an order) is a bit distracting.

Take care,
Daniel


From lystor at lystor.org.ua  Wed May 28 21:47:19 2008
From: lystor at lystor.org.ua (Nikolay Ulyanitsky)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:47:19 +0300
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212011239.4856.0.camel@lystor.users.home.lystor.org.ua>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:22 -0400, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Width / height = 16 / 10


-- 
Nikolay Ulyanitsky <lystor at lystor.org.ua>



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:22:29 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:29 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDB25.7020108@uoregon.edu>


Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:.
>> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.
> 
> Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
> various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.
> 
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

I think he means for widescreen displays, which are getting more and more 
popular. Common resolutions are 1280x800, 1440x900, 1920x1200. You can 
probably google for a better list, but those are the big three I think.

-Brandon


From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:25:00 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:25:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
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Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> of an order) is a bit distracting.

Someone's a little OCD :)

I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png

-Brandon


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Thu May 29 00:15:15 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:15:15 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483DF593.2080303@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.
> 
> I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
> details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
> responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
> or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
> people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
> they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
> expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.
> 
> Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
> details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
> to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
> be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
> they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
> Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
> Fail would be good.
> 
>> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
>> current pacakges in the testing repo.
> 
> I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
> there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
> the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

If those packages are travelling together, then they should stay 
together. However, if new cft appears without its companions, and gets 
no testing, it's hard to justify its promotion.

And this is just testing, deleting it here doesn't mean it vanishes from 
the target repo.
> 
> The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

Always, it's communication.

I think email should _always_ go out, even if the builder doesn't intend 
it to be promoted. If there's a point to putting it into the repo, it's 
to share it, and if you want people to use it you have to tell them.

The email must contain a summary of what's changed, and a summary of 
what the package does. If I don't use it now, tell me why I might want to!

A lot of package descriptions are next to incomprehensible. Take this, 
from F9:
FAAD 2 is a LC, MAIN and LTP profile, MPEG2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder, 
completely
written from scratch.

This package contains libfaad.


Better, something like "FAAD 2" decodes various (generic description of 
just what MAIN, LTP etc are), including (name them) and is used for/by ....

If they're used by Amorok and I know I use that, then I know maybe I 
should be interested in this.

The email might link to a wiki, but don't expect users to use the wiki 
to decide whether it's something they should test.

I presume that these announcements would amount to quite a bit of email, 
maybe enough to seriously change the nature of this list should they 
come here.

You might consider a new list, maybe "updates-announcements" where these 
announcements go, and that responses be directed to this list. This list 
might help where/if there are different packagers on different 
platforms: Joe builds on IA32, Fred sees he needs to build on zSeries 
and Freda on Power.

Seed it with members of this list, it's little different from just 
sending mail here, and gives users of this list the ability to opt out. 
This would ensure there's a decent number of eyeballs seeing its 
contents from day one.

The list description for the new list would recommend also subscribing 
to this list, but I don't think everyone will want to.

The description of this list should be updated to recommend new 
subscribers also subscribe to updates-announcements so as to keep 
abreast of threatened changes. Again, not everyone will want to.

If there's a formal test procedure for a particular package, then this 
should be described in its wiki document. I imagine some packages - gcc, 
postgresql for example - might have established test cases to run, and 
others might be added as new bugs are reported and resolved.




-- 

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From subsolar at subsolar.com  Thu May 29 00:23:04 2008
From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
Message-ID: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:25 -0700, Brandon Davidson wrote:
> Daniel de Kok wrote:
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> > <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> > 
> > Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> > of an order) is a bit distracting.
> 
> Someone's a little OCD :)
> 
> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> -Brandon

Like that one much more personally.

Paul



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Thu May 29 00:32:25 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
	<1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
Message-ID: <483DF999.1060504@uoregon.edu>

Paul wrote:
>> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
>> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> Like that one much more personally.


I too favor the 'streams and lines' ones (either horizontal or vertical) over 
the others. They remind me of a stream of bubbles in water... odd, box-shaped 
bubbles :) The one with the tiled logo is particularly busy and would, I 
think, get on my nerves.

-Brandon


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Thu May 29 07:42:34 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:34 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
In-Reply-To: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805290042p2434dae2sfcd3aac63cb60c88@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM, William Boyle <woboyle at ieee.org> wrote:
> I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
> and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
> boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
> necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

Hi William,

We currently have enough testers for the 5.2 release. But I'll keep
your name in the back of my head if we need more help. We appriciate
that you are willing to volunteer. If you would like it, there are
some other things for which we could use more people. So if you are
interrested in let us know.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Thu May 29 09:19:49 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:19:49 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483E7535.2080008@karan.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.


I tried to implement some of the stuff I wrote in my previous email -
implement on the wiki that is, and its too much work getting all the
stuff together. And its 'too much' enough, to make it something that
most people wont bother with, it raises the barrier too far.

Perhaps a php or python+django or Rails hosted app that can manage this
for us would be good. Anyone fancy a shot ?

I can work with Tim and get some sort of a specification up...

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Thu May 29 19:49:56 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:49:56 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
Message-ID: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello all..

I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/

But where can I find the source?

Thanks...Paul...




From jeff at osuosl.org  Fri May 30 00:08:04 2008
From: jeff at osuosl.org (Jeff Sheltren)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:08:04 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>

On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:

> Hello all..
>
> I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
>
> But where can I find the source?
>
> Thanks...Paul...

I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec

Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...

-Jeff


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Fri May 30 03:11:58 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:11:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <1212117118.3635.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks..  I was already building using the version from dev.centos.org
(buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm), so I didn't want to
deviate too much.

At any rate, I've discovered that the latest buildsys-build spec
"template" is available in the git repo for mock.  Strange that I don't
see it in the latest mock .tar.gz release though.

I queried the CentOS version (rpm -qp --requires
buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm 2>/dev/null | sort) and
discovered the diff between it and the latest from git:  CentOS requires
'python' where the latest version from the mock git repo does not.  The
git version requires 'buildsys-macros' where the CentOS version does
not.

Looking at /etc/mock/epel-5-i386.cfg on my Fedora 9 install, I found
that 'buildsys-macros' RPM and SRPM could be found here:
http://buildsys.fedoraproject.org/buildgroups/rhel5/i386/

Now I know what I'm dealing with, but this would have been a whole lot
easier to figure out if the CentOS SRPM had been available..  :(

Cheers...Paul...

-------

P.S....

Browse the mock git repo here to find buildsys-build.spec.template:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser

Browse previous .spec versions (before buildsys-build.spec was renamed
to buildsys-build.spec.template):
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/log/buildsys-build.spec?rev=1c14b3c9b6fcbad867afbb7cc09ec5d91cf9e642

Looks like this version (0.5-4) is closest to the centos rpm version
wise:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser/buildsys-build.spec?rev=04580c1234b74957e25d490993e74095ae218d5d



On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:08 -0700, Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> Sender: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> Errors-To: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> X-Spam: exempt
> X-MAIL-FROM: <centos-devel-bounces at centos.org>
> X-SOURCE-IP: [72.21.40.12]
> 
> On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > Hello all..
> >
> > I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> > http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
> >
> > But where can I find the source?
> >
> > Thanks...Paul...
> 
> I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
> http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec
> 
> Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...
> 
> -Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:12:45 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:45 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-52.EL
Message-ID: <483F7EBD.20509@ict.swin.edu.au>

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be 
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be 
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:41:53 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:41:53 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <483F8591.8030606@ict.swin.edu.au>

(I am sending this message again with the correct subject).

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin


From tru at centos.org  Fri May 30 10:20:02 2008
From: tru at centos.org (Tru Huynh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:20:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <20080530102002.GC13736@sillage.bis.pasteur.fr>

Thanks to John Newbigin the new GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are
now available.

http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

i386:
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm

Best regards,

Tru
-- 
Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance)
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBEFA581B
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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 30 11:53:46 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:53:46 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
> 
> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From ned at unixmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 12:31:48 2008
From: ned at unixmail.co.uk (Ned Slider)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:31:48 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <483FF3B4.9070004@unixmail.co.uk>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 
> 
> 

You could check the developers blogs at:

http://planet.centos.org/

Specifically Tim's posting from May 23, 2008.



From csieh at fnal.gov  Fri May 30 16:15:37 2008
From: csieh at fnal.gov (Connie Sieh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org> <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>

On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>> 
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>

There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/

There should be x86_64 version available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64

soon.

-Connie Sieh
>
>
>


From rayvd at bludgeon.org  Fri May 30 16:30:47 2008
From: rayvd at bludgeon.org (Ray Van Dolson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:30:47 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
Message-ID: <20080530163046.GA16730@bludgeon.org>

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:15:37AM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:
>
>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>>
>>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>>
>> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
>> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
>> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>>
>
> There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/
>
> There should be x86_64 version available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64
>
> soon.
>
> -Connie Sieh

To the parent poster.. if you're just wanting to test for better
graphics support, why not use an eval copy of RHEL 5.2 vs an Alpha of
SL?

(If you're needing to test *now* vs in a week or two)

Ray


From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 30 18:10:02 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:10:02 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <484042FA.6030403@gmail.com>

John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 

Can you be more specific as to what you consider "adequate support for 
graphics"?

-- 
   Les Mikesell
     lesmikesell at gmail.com



From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Sat May 31 14:39:21 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:39:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS Forums again
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805310739n79ea479y760eecf6159929bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Having some time to do stuff for CentOS here at LinuxTag I've also
being building FreeIPA packages for CentOS. The idea that this will be
core part of a central authentication system. Meaning that you will
only need 1 account that you can use to login into the website, forum,
wiki, bugtracker, systems, ...

IMHO the most important system that needs to be attached to the
central auth database are the forums. There are a lot of users there
(and a lot of content). So I was thinking, why not fix 2 things at the
same time. Migrate from the old forum to the new forum that is linked
to the central auth system. And then later on couple the other
existing apps to it.

My feeling is that the most productive way to get forward with the
website/forum update is to split the forum from the website. In my
experience the forum present in CMS tools aren't made for the amount
of traffic we are having. So something dedicated sound like a better
option. So I have been looking around for open source forum software
that link to ldap without to much effort. I've looked at 3 projects
(Phorum, phpBB and SMF). They all 3 are good looking, well featured
and maintained. Though, only phpBB has a decent built-in LDAP
integration (FreeIPA is built on top of LDAP).

So my proposal is to setup a FreeIPA instance, link it with phpBB and
try to migrate a part of the current forums and see how all that
works. And if it looks good migrate to that.

So what do people think, did I miss stuff, other suggestions, ...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  2 04:55:33 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:55:33 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] xorg 7.2 on CentOS5
In-Reply-To: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <481A9EC5.4090607@herakles.homelinux.org>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Has anyone built xorg 7.2 for C5, or have handy hints on how it might be 
> done?
> 

"Too much trouble," I decided. Had to pull in too many dependencies, and 
by the time PolicyKit and ConsoleKit got included, it wasn't much like 
RHEL5-clone any more.

-- 

Cheers
John

-- spambait
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http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php
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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Fri May  2 17:19:21 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:19:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM

are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be 
found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Fri May  2 22:10:03 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:10:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.

I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
5.2 is released anyway.

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Sat May  3 11:19:59 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:19:59 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
>> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.
> 
> I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
> there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
> libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
> whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
> 5.2 is released anyway.

afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one 
version behind the current libvirt is far away.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 10:16:05 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:16:05 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
	<481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050316s6c3ace87rfb719a47acdecfe3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farkas,

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one
> version behind the current libvirt is far away.

Let's wait until 5.2 is out. When it is, could you create a list of
features (if any) that we absolutely need, and that are not in libvirt
included in 5.2? If there is a strong case for it (e.g. absence of
proper KVM support), we could look into providing it in CentOS-plus.

Take care,
Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May  5 12:47:54 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 20:47:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
Message-ID: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>

Hi,

I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
I need a respin dist (all updates included).

I wrote a script to generate my CentOS5-respin. My CentOS5 tree is at
/centos/5, it is rsynced with a Taiwan mirror daily. My generated
CentOS5 tree is placed at /centos/5-respin.

The generation of CentOS5-respin by my script runs fine, but the
generated CentOS5-respin tree has a problem: During network installation
using this CentOS5-respin tree, when it gets rpm installation, it always
complains "The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm cannot
be opened.". In the text console, the error message is "Failed to get
http://myserver/centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm".
Anaconda should look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/CentOS, but
it actually looks for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64.

Any ideas?
It would be nice if anyone could point me to some useful docs.

Thanks!
Ruomu

P.S. Here's my script:

#!/bin/bash
#
# gen_respin_distro
#
# To use this script, the following rpms need to installed first:
# anaconda
# anaconda-help
# anaconda-runtime
# busybox-anaconda ?
# bogl
# booty
# netpbm
# netpbm-progs
# mkisofs

#TODO
# 1. Should we use pkgorder? If yes, when?
# 2. Do we need to run pkgorder before buildinstall?
# 3. Do we need to run createrepo? Buildinstall seems to calls it.
# 4. Why does it look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64?


# Check tools
rpmmerge=`dirname "$0"`/rpmmerge
if [ ! -x "$rpmmerge" ]; then
echo "$rpmmerge does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
createrepo="/usr/bin/createrepo"
if [ ! -x "$createrepo" ]; then
echo "$createrepo does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
buildinstall="/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/buildinstall"
if [ ! -x "$buildinstall" ]; then
echo "$buildinstall does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi

# Set variables and functions
src="/centos/5"
dest="/centos/5-respin"
distro="CentOS"
arch="x86_64"
version="5"
product="CentOS"
release="Respin"
prodpath="CentOS"
eval_retval()
{
test $? -ne 0 && exit 1
}

# Merge rpms
echo -e "*** Merge rpms ***\n"
$rpmmerge $src/os/$arch/$distro $src/updates/$arch/RPMS
$dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval

# Create repo data
echo -e "\n*** Create repo data ***\n"
#cp -al $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml $dest/os/$arch/$distro
#eval_retval
$createrepo -q -g $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml -c $dest/os/$arch/cache \
-o $dest/os/$arch $dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval
#rm -f $dest/os/$arch/$distro/comps.xml
#eval_retval

# Run buildinstall
export PYTHONPATH="/usr/lib/anaconda"
echo -e "\n*** Buildinstall ***\n"
sudo $buildinstall \
--pkgorder "$dest/os/$arch/pkgorder.txt" \
--version $version \
--product $product \
--release $release \
--prodpath $prodpath \
$dest/os/$arch
eval_retval

exit 0


From mattdm at mattdm.org  Mon May  5 13:56:53 2008
From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:53 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
> I need a respin dist (all updates included).

Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
packages already installed.

-- 
Matthew Miller           mattdm at mattdm.org          <http://mattdm.org/>
Boston University Linux      ------>              <http://linux.bu.edu/>


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:23:46 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:23:46 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
Message-ID: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>

Developers, developers, developers ...

We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
<http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
editorial staff.

(Note: We can still discuss about that)

What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:

- Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
- should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
  one person)
- Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
  weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
  schemes. 
- Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
  about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
  way for quick and lasting flame fests)

And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
that list (or at least help with that)?

Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
offerings.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:26:07 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:07 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? 
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From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Mon May  5 15:57:46 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:57:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>

I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).

Example:

* The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
* Specific skills needed should appear on the email.

That's just my twenty cents.

- Scott

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...
>
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
>
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
>
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
>
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
>
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
>
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
>
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>   



From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 15:52:33 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...

I love this project!

>  - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)

People who want to apply for a job should know how to handle Google
:). Additionally, I think it normally only useful to skim through the
job offers of the last one or two months.

>  - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)

Yes.

>  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes.

I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

>  - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)

No, it does not serve a purpose. If someone want to follow up on an
offer, they can do so via private mail.

>  And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
>  vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
>  Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
>  that list (or at least help with that)?

Other projects have comparable lists, and they are great. Sometimes
the offers are too general, so, I am all in for moderation. I'd like
to help moderating.

-- Daniel


From amyagi at gmail.com  Mon May  5 16:06:56 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:06:56 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
>  >  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>  >   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>  >   schemes.
>
>  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
and accepted or would it be rejected?

http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

Akemi


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:16 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:16 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
> and accepted or would it be rejected?
> 
> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:41 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:41 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
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Scott Grizzard wrote:
> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> 
> Example:
> 
> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.

What about the country? =:D

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:21:31 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:21:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Akemi Yagi <amyagi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
>  >  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  >  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.
>
>  As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>  CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>  and accepted or would it be rejected?
>  http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

I would reject it:

- It does note state where CentOS is involved.
- It is not clear whether the company wants to hire a person full
time, or wants to make use of consulting services.
- What prior experience is required? What qualifications?
(- How about salary/benefits?)

I think this is a good example what a job offer could look like:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-jobs/2006/07/21/0000.html

-- Daniel


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:32:00 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:32:00 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Scott Grizzard wrote:
> > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
> 
> What about the country? =:D

Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:41:06 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:41:06 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>  > Scott Grizzard wrote:
>  > > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>  > > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>  > >
>  > > Example:
>  > >
>  > > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>  >
>  > What about the country? =:D
>
>  Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
>  allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
>  at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Yes. If an offer is purely in a foreign language, it's probably better
off on one of the non-English lists after an acknowledgement of the
list moderator. I have only once received such request for the Dutch
list.

-- Daniel
-- Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:43:31 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:43:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805051143n51ebcc35pa928ed915da7d981@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've got no real comments based on what was already said. I just want
to say it is a good idea.

What maybe is a option is to post the rules and some sort of template
on the wiki and refer to that when people want to post something.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Mon May  5 21:59:16 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:59:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>

On Mon, 5 May 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Scott Grizzard wrote:
>>> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>>> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>>
>> What about the country? =:D
>
> Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
> allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
> at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

I took that to ask if the country/location as well as the city should be 
required in the subject rather than what language the text might happen to 
be in.

For example a job offer in the city of 'Cambridge' might be in one of 
several places... :-)

Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.

  -- Jon

[ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]


From rwalker at medallion.com  Mon May  5 22:01:57 2008
From: rwalker at medallion.com (Ross S. W. Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:01:57 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> 
> Developers, developers, developers ...
> 
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
> 
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
> 
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
> 
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
> 
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
> 
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
> 
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.

A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
and recruitment firms.

Just my .02 

-Ross

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From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 22:13:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:13:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
<rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>  and recruitment firms.

Hence moderation ;).

-- Daniel


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:21:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:21:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <481F966A.2070204@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jon Peatfield wrote:

> Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
> should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
> their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
> accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.
> 
>  -- Jon
> 
> [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]

HEP?


It's not obvious to me that, should I be looking for someone to work on 
my CentOS project that I should restrict myself to people who are 
already involved in CentOS. Generally, I would think, people experienced 
in RHEL or SL would serve as well, and those familiar with other distros 
(Debian, SUSE) might bring fresh ideas.

I like the Shuttles technique - go on a holiday. Take archives of 
mailing lists. Evaluate peoples' skills, attitudes (eg how they deal 
with others)and ethics. Then, issue invitations.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:25:35 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:25:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>
>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
> 
> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect they're 
looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do. Maybe a 
smallbusiness person who does such things.

It doesn't look like enough work for one.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:32:00 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:32:00 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com> <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <481F98F0.3030101@herakles.homelinux.org>

Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
>> I need a respin dist (all updates included).
> 
> Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
> updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
> packages already installed.
> 
I'm with Matthew. If you do it on the road a lot, pack a laptop with the 
repos you want, dhcpd, tftp (run BIND too) installed and ready to start, 
a small switch and a few wires.And, maybe, a DVD and boot cd, just in case.

You can reconfigure as needed in %post and on first boot.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Tue May  6 00:48:49 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:48:49 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <20080506004849.GD25909@br-online.de>

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
> and recruitment firms.

So you want to apply for that database job which requires no oracle
knowledge but if you can bring in some cli experience (can you spell
${VARIABLE}?) we'd like to talk to you.
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From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Tue May  6 01:01:36 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:01:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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On Tue, 6 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

<snip>
>>  [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]
>
> HEP?

HEP == High Energy Physics (almost universally I thought).

It is just a job supporting computing in that group here (well ~50% of the 
time) so the actual meaning isn't very important.

The deadline for applications is today and it is a junior post so I doubt 
that many people reading this would be very interested.  If you are I'm 
sure that your advanced google-fu would let you find it pretty quickly ;-)

  -- Jon


From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Tue May  6 02:26:32 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:26:32 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
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You know what would be a good idea:

If you had a website that would parse various job postings on mailing  
lists, then categorize them by location, job type, etc. and post them  
on a craig's list type setting.  Hmmm........

Seriously, I think the job posting list is a great idea, no matter  
what form it takes.  I also think that having formatting guidelines  
for posting jobs is a good idea, so that people that subscribe can set  
up email filters that sort out the junk.

I think ease of setting up rules should be the primary motavation for  
the guidelines.

That would also take out some of the abuse potential, as humans would  
have to reformat the emails they are posting everywhere else for this  
mailing list.

-- Scott

PS: Anyone looking for an MA in economics with some mean centos and  
ubuntu skills?  He He He...

On May 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, John Summerfield wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>>
>>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
>> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
>> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.
>
> It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect  
> they're looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do.  
> Maybe a smallbusiness person who does such things.
>
> It doesn't look like enough work for one.
>
> -- 
>
> Cheers
> John
>
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From me at danieldk.org  Tue May  6 07:44:30 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:44:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
Message-ID: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
packaged.

Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
CentOS Wiki at:

http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories

The qemu package is named (surprise :)) 'qemu', and can be installed
after adding the testing repository:

yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install qemu

Thanks,
Daniel


From mark at foster.cc  Tue May  6 15:12:23 2008
From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:12:23 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48207557.6000501@foster.cc>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
> repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
> future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
> ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
> packaged.
>   

Wonderful!
Hopeful to see kqemu soon, too.
qemu + kqemu is great alternative to vmware* and for those of use who 
don't have vmx-capable hardware. So nice that vdisk created with 
qemu-img should be transportable between qemu & kvm.

-- 
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
Mark D. Foster, CISSP <mark at foster.cc>  http://mark.foster.cc/




From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 15:19:40 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 17:19:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>

there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
-----------------------------------------------------
# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "downloadonly" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
Reading repository metadata in from local files
0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for 
package: kmod-kvm
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed 
by package kmod-kvm
-----------------------------------------------------
you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
                                  ^^^
and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?


Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM
> 
> Akemi
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Wed May  7 15:50:46 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:50:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>  Setting up Install Process
>  Setting up repositories
>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>  Parsing package install arguments
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  --> Running transaction check
>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
> kmod-kvm
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
> package kmod-kvm
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>                                  ^^^
>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?

Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.

# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
(snip)
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check

Dependencies Resolved

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
 kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
c5-testing        701 k
 kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M

Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
Install      2 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove       0 Package(s)

-Akemi


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 16:36:58 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:36:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>>  Setting up Install Process
>>  Setting up repositories
>>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>>  Parsing package install arguments
>>  Resolving Dependencies
>>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  --> Running transaction check
>>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
>> kmod-kvm
>>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
>> package kmod-kvm
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>>                                  ^^^
>>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?
> 
> Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
> running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.
> 
> # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
> (snip)
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
> ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
> ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
> --> Running transaction check
> 
> Dependencies Resolved
> 
> =============================================================================
>  Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
> =============================================================================
> Installing:
>  kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
> c5-testing        701 k
>  kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M
> 
> Transaction Summary
> =============================================================================
> Install      2 Package(s)
> Update       0 Package(s)
> Remove       0 Package(s)

after remove the previous version then it's works otherwise not.
unfortunately the bigger problem kvm-66 is not working for us. the 
latest usable version was 62 (so we witch back to 62). our setup:
- host:
   - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
   - Intel S3000AHV
   - 8GB RAM
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-1:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 i386 32bit
- guest-2:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-3:
   - Mandrake-9
   - kernel-2.4.19.16mdk-1-1mdk 32bit
- guest-4:
   - Mandrake-10
   - kernel-2.6.14.2-p4-smp 32bit
- guest-5:
   - Windows XP Professional 32bit
mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are 
  boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Wed May  7 18:23:27 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:23:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805071123y6498134o9a17fb0dde295184@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

Could you give more information? E.g. what kind of error do you get
when the kernel panics?

-- Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Thu May  8 11:49:42 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:49:42 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
Message-ID: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>

Hi!

Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
there be any problems?

Thanks!

Ruomu


From kanarip at kanarip.com  Thu May  8 12:01:03 2008
From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:01:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
> there be any problems?
> 

Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;

No, you can't.

Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
 >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  9 04:59:08 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 12:59:08 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com> <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
Message-ID: <4823DA1C.2000305@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
>> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
>> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
>> there be any problems?
>>
> 
> Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
> compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;
> 
> No, you can't.
> 
> Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
>  >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
> looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

I suspect the code imbeds quite a deal of knowledge about what is being 
installed, too.


-- 

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John

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From jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it  Fri May  9 08:40:56 2008
From: jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it (Marco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:40:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Backuppc 3.1.0
Message-ID: <305947.24643.qm@web27603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
i was looking for a backup system for small mixed
environment (linux and windows) to install on a centos
5.1 server and a tryed to use backuppc 3.1.0 from the
testing repository, mainly becouse I have already
succesfully used it in the past on a fedora server and
because it perfectly matches my requirements.

This is my expirience:

Before starting I carefully read this useful
documents:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2403
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=1299

http://marc.info/?l=centos-devel&m=117145576710647&w=2

The first installation worked fine: I configured the
repository in yum and I succesfully downloaded and
installed backuppc and all the dependecies.

I configured apache to run as backuppc user instead of
apache and the server 
started working.

The server on wich i'm running backuppc is a general
purpose server and it's not dedicated 
to the backup job, so for me is a big issue running
apache as the backuppc user.

Studying the above mentioned documentation I solved
the issue by this way:

1) I downloaded the SRPMS version of backuppc
2) I manually applied the modification suggested by
ScratchMonkey to the spec file (the diff file proposed
on the bug tracker didn't work out of the box becouse
it refers to a previus version of backuppc, but I was
easily able to manually apply the modification).
3) I recompiled the RPM and I succesfully installed
it.
4) I configured apache to work in suexec mode (using
the sample conf file published on the bug tracker).

The server is now working fine and I havan't any
performance issue on the web intrface (but i have very
few clients).

My suggestion is to use the suexec mode which I find
very easy to implement and without collateral effect
on other web application published from the same
apache server.

I hope this will help.

Marco




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From dag at centos.org  Fri May  9 10:37:57 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:37:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
> <rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>>  and recruitment firms.
>
> Hence moderation ;).

Jobs are only useful based on location, that means a particular job in 
Brussels may not appeal to 99% of the subscribers, and therefor the 
signal-to-noise ratio is very poor. (May be different for very short 
contract work items or simple support requests)

I would leave job-offerings to dedicated, specialised sites where people 
can search and put resumes online. But if we have people to volunteer for 
the moderation I do not object with an experiment :)

I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
required. Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:

 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May  9 12:11:58 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:11:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080509121158.GR9139@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
> required. 

It's not going to be that much of a task to moderate a few job postings.

> Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:
>
> 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
> 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

As it does for at least netbsd, as far as I know (one of their
developers is sitting a few desks away and we talked about that a little
bit).

Ralph
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From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 10 01:34:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:34:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805091834u2e9e5ccq4b6af62f0017b805@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> On Monday 25 February 2008, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> ...
>> > Johnny, could you let us know your reasons for wanting to point to the
>> > remote GPG key?
>>
>> We DON'T allow downloads of ISOs from centos.org servers due to
>> bandwidth considerations.  It would be fairly easy to put out an ISO
>> that had different RPMS and a different key.
>>
>> Granted, people CAN check the md5 and sha1 sum of the ISOs if they choose.
>>
>> Since we do control the content of every mirror.centos.org server, we
>> know that the key file is correct.  In order to make that key AND the
>> RPMS be bad, they need a doctored CD *AND* they need to hijack our
>> content by DNS poisoning or getting control of our servers.
>>
>> I just think if you are using the internet anyway, why not also get the
>> key from a known location.
>
> I agree that there's something intuitively right about that, but,
> unfortunately it's wrong :-)
>
> Here's why.
>
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...
>
> It will have to be up to the user to make sure (with our help, signed .isos,
> installers that check rpm signatures and stage2 signature) that he/she has an
> ok system. If they fail then they don't really run centos, they run haxx0r os
> and any attempt to validate anything inside that will fail.
>
> /Peter

This discussion has been dormant for a while...  With 5.2 just around
the corner, isn't it a good idea to wrap this up and reach some sort
of a conclusion?

Akemi


From me at danieldk.org  Sat May 10 14:35:54 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:35:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805100735x687e2fb0n9249b2f47f60226c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...

Or a modified yum or RPM that only appears to do verification. I agree
that we should at the very least suppose that the user verifies the
installation media.

As for DNS poisoning or hacking, that misery can potentially happen to
everyone, and a good manner to guard against this is relying on the
pre-installed key from media that was proven to be correct. So, I
think this should be the default behavior.

Take care,
Daniel


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sat May 10 22:16:12 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:16:12 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
Message-ID: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.

However, even then, there are several file types for which no
thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm

Regards
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	thunar-thumbnailers
Name: 		thunar-thumbnailers
Version: 	0.3.2
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Graphics
URL: 		http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/ristretto

Source: 	http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/%{name}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.9
BuildRequires: 	ImageMagick-devel >= 6.2.8.0

Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.9
Requires: 	ImageMagick >= 6.2.8.0

%description
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate previews of image and font files and can automatically use available GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
However, even then, there are several file types for which no thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall

%post
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-vfs-update-thumbnailers-cache-1

%postun
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :


%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README
%{_datadir}/mime/packages/%{name}.xml
%{_libexecdir}/*thumbnailer
%{_datadir}/thumbnailers/*.desktop

%changelog
* Sun Apr 11 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.3.2-1
- Initial package.
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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:30:04 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:30:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:46:25 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:25 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
Message-ID: <4826CE81.5010305@centos.org>

Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
>>
>> Description:
>> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
>> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
>> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
>> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
>>
>> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
>> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
>> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats.
>> Download: 
>> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
>>
> 
> Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

To answer my own question by reading the spec file :D ... for centos-5

I am currently building this and if all goes well, will include it in 
CentOS Extras.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 11:17:41 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 06:17:41 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Heiko,

Would you test these and see if they do what you want:

http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 12:11:01 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:11:01 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
Message-ID: <1210507861.6481.2.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Sonntag, den 11.05.2008, 06:17 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
> Heiko,
> 
> Would you test these and see if they do what you want:
> 
> http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/
IMHO they work as expected.
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 15:42:26 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:42:26 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: squeeze
Message-ID: <1210520546.9363.4.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the squeeze-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop
Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze
is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/squeeze-0.2.3-1.src.rpm

Regards,
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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Summary: 	Squeeze
Name: 		squeeze
Version: 	0.2.3
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Utilities
URL: 		http://squeeze.xfce.org

Source: 	http://squeeze.xfce.org/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	gtk2-devel >= 2.10
BuildRequires: 	libxfce4util-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	libxfcegui4-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	dbus-glib-devel >= 0.34
BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.8

Requires: 	gtk2 >= 2.10
Requires: 	libxfce4util >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	libxfcegui4 >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	dbus-glib >= 0.34
Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.8

%description
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall
%{__rm} %{buildroot}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache
%find_lang %{name}

%post
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%postun
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files -f %{name}.lang
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README TODO
%{_bindir}/%{name}
%{_includedir}/libsqueeze-0.2
%{_libdir}/*
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-archive-plugin/%{name}.tap
%{_datadir}/applications/%{name}.desktop
%{_datadir}/icons/*
%{_datadir}/locale/*
%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libsqueeze/*

%changelog
* Sat Apr 10 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.2.3-1
- Initial package.
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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 10:18:06 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:06 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
Message-ID: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Farkas Levente wrote:
>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 
>> are   boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>   
> 
> Can you post the panic?
> 
> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.

unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang 
at "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Tue May 13 10:48:40 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:48:40 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> >
> > Farkas Levente wrote:
> >
> > > mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Can you post the panic?
> >
> > It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
> >
>
>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.

Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 11:58:32 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:32 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
	<48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48298268.9000700@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>>> Farkas Levente wrote:
>>>
>>>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
>> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>>>
>>> Can you post the panic?
>>>
>>> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
>>>
>>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
>> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.
> 
> Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

at the same time it'd be useful to merge the fedora and centos spec 
files too (in kvm-68 i used a spec file based on fedora's spec).
the two main differences the bootmenu patch, bios, and the separate qemu 
package which is already in testing too.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Tue May 13 21:01:45 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:01:45 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
Message-ID: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
no error messages are shown.
Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2

Can anyone confirm this?
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 06:57:22 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:57:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
> webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
> The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
> no error messages are shown.
> Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2
> 
> Can anyone confirm this?

That's more or less the same for me. Using a Citrix Terminal Server with
web-interface. In the statusbar I get 'Start: applet not initialized.'.

I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(

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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 10:29:38 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:29:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
Message-ID: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Hello,

CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

Any thoughts?

Niels

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Wed May 14 11:12:30 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:12:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore
	with OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <1210763550.2702.0.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Mittwoch, den 14.05.2008, 08:57 +0200 schrieb Niels de Vos:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
> I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(
That sounds funny because the OpenJDK 1.6 JRE is the Sun-HRE :-)
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 14 15:16:37 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:16:37 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>

Niels de Vos wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
> the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
> the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
> only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
> think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

not really no.

There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with 
5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then 
take this issue up if it still needs attention

- KB


From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 15:21:51 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:21:51 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com> <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
Message-ID: <482B038F.6090908@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Niels de Vos wrote:
>> Is there any
>> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?
> 
> not really no.
> 
> There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with
> 5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then
> take this issue up if it still needs attention

Okay, I'll wait and see what comes :)

Thanks

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From rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za  Sat May 17 10:25:27 2008
From: rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za (Rabie Van der Merwe)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:25:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
Message-ID: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>


Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
are making there way into the mirrors.
I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
files:
lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml

I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.

Regards
Rabie van der Merwe
Infrastructure Architect

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From johnny at centos.org  Sat May 17 12:09:13 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:09:13 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
In-Reply-To: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
References: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
Message-ID: <482ECAE9.6030308@centos.org>

Rabie Van der Merwe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
> if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
> are making there way into the mirrors.
> I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
> 'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
> 'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
> am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
> files:
> lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml
> 
> I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.
> 

This is now correct ... should trickle down soon.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 17 13:56:56 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:56:56 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS as a project ?
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910804241203j220814fw84262208d486d34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4810EFEA.8090102@karan.org> <20080425100044.GT19680@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060207x36573bd8s2ec41cf7bf0fb666@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506092127.GA36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060235o18287b2cx4b9cb2020fe5f93e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080517135656.GB31684@br-online.de>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> > That was *why* I CCed Gideon, as I didn't want to ask Alain if he wanted
> > to take the lead while your brother "officially" had that before.
> 
> I finally got a hold of him wrt this subject, and he is ok with
> passing on the hat. It suits him more to toss in artwork when he has
> time, but his schedule does not allow him to actively lead this.

Lucky you. So Alain - do you want to take the lead in the Artwork SIG?
We then could do an announcement on centos-devel/user, create a project
on projects.centos.org and maybe create a mailing list for that.

http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Artwork - there already is a
page on the wiki for that. Do you want something added to that before
the announcement (except exchange Gideon and you)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 11:54:10 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:54:10 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
random order) :

- Update the content of the slides (and translate them)

I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
the slides updated. So speak up :-)

- Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

- Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)

When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
changing desktops.

So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Regards,
Tim

-- 
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Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 12:23:10 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:10 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836B72E.1040901@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

Considering no one else can, this one is mine.

- KB


From orkcu at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 12:26:08 2008
From: orkcu at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roger_Pe=F1a?=)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <761494.58651.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Fri, 5/23/08, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
> To: "The CentOS developers mailing list." <centos-devel at centos.org>
> Received: Friday, May 23, 2008, 7:54 AM
> Hi,
> 
> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release
> of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These
> are (in
> random order) :
> 
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have
> changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we
> would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

there is a list for this kind of things (translations), so just use it :-)
centos-es is ready for that ;-)

cu
roger


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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 12:26:17 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:26:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

> So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
> to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
{0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
a few weeks ago.

A grep over my complete file system is running now, to see where this
string is mentioned.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:13:54 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:13:54 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into 
anaconda this time.

> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
> a few weeks ago.

ok, I can do that now.

- KB


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 13:21:22 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
Message-ID: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>
> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
> anaconda this time.

I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
can be gotten a hold of ...

>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>> a few weeks ago.
>
> ok, I can do that now.

As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
package. 

If I understand it correctly, then
/usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
ntp servers.

If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
/usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
more than upstream does, as that only contains 

server 0.pool.ntp.org 

lines.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:23:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:23:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
Message-ID: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>

ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2

Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog 
and mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the 
packages into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.

this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be 
enough ?

- KB


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:43:02 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2
>
> Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog and
> mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the packages
> into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.
>
> this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be enough
> ?

My feeling is that 6 days is going to be to short especially when some
of us are going to be at Linuxtag between the 28th and the 31th.

10 days sounds like a more reasonable estimate to me. But it will also
depend on how much issues we find. It can go faster but it can also go
slower.

Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 14:36:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

- KB


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 14:53:54 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org> <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
>> anaconda this time.
> 
> I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
> changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
> can be gotten a hold of ...
> 
>>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>>> a few weeks ago.
>> ok, I can do that now.
> 
> As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
> package. 
> 
> If I understand it correctly, then
> /usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
> startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
> ntp servers.
> 
> If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
> /usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
> more than upstream does, as that only contains 
> 
> server 0.pool.ntp.org 

My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It 
seems weird to me that it isn't.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 14:59:33 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:59:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>

John Summerfield wrote:
> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
> seems weird to me that it isn't.

Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
ntpd.

Ralph
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From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:17:58 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:17:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:
>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
>> seems weird to me that it isn't.
> 
> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
> ntpd.
> 

I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
with a different setting.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell at gmail.com


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:19 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

As this has slept in a bit and I'm still not too sure if it really is a
good idea (but I'm leaning towards it), I try to rephrase (should,
should not, must, must not as in RFC 2119):

- Jobs must have to do with CentOS
- List must be moderated
- Job offers must not just include links to other sites (meaning: Job
  offers must include full details)
- Foreign language mails are okay, as long as an english explanation is
  also in that mail
- Job offers should include Country and if applicable City in the
  subject
- There will be no discussion on that list
- There will be no Reply-To: for discussions on other lists
- List Reply-To: will be set to sender (so that you can answer directly)

Anything I missed?

Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:54 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for  
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or  
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override  
> with a different setting.

I wasn't talking about any functionality changes here.

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:25:13 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:25:13 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230825x3415436ek9142a916a1b9e895@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
...snip...
>
> Anything I missed?

I don't hink so.

> Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Yep, just give it a go and see what happens.

> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

I don't think it will be a high volume list but I'm willing to help if
it is to much work.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 15:33:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:33:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
	<4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
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Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. 
>>> It  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>
>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>> ntpd.
>>
> 
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
> with a different setting.
> 
Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a 
goose of myself again.

I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, 
but I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by 
my dhcp server. Even on C4.

I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the 
DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what 
I had in mind.

-- 

Cheers
John

-- spambait
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-- Advice
http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php
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You cannot reply off-list:-)


From me at danieldk.org  Fri May 23 16:40:52 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:40:52 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805230940l7ca392demdb4b856a9abda4b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Correct.

Take care,
Daniel


From smooge at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:00:02 2008
From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:00:02 -0600
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
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	<4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
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On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM, John Summerfield
<debian at herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>>
>>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It
>>>>  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>>
>>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>>> ntpd.
>>>
>>
>> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for
>> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or less
>> like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override with a
>> different setting.
>>
> Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a goose
> of myself again.
>

It shouldn't be ignored out of the box.. my system got an updated ntp
but I am not sure if I changed it later. I will have to do a reinstall
to make sure... but it looks like its not ignoring.

> I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, but
> I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by my dhcp
> server. Even on C4.
>

Thats weird. I need to check my boxes again.

> I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the
> DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what I
> had in mind.
>

Thats a bit more of a change.. I think it would need to be an upstream
change first.


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:36:20 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:20 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
<tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>
> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
> changing desktops.

Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
image is:

http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug

Akemi


From centos-devel at centos.org  Fri May 23 18:24:41 2008
From: centos-devel at centos.org (VIAGRA ® Official Site)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
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From unfies at gmail.com  Fri May 23 18:30:55 2008
From: unfies at gmail.com (Will Langford)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:55 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
Message-ID: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...

j/k :)

-Will


From dag at centos.org  Sat May 24 08:43:00 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:43:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Tim Verhoeven wrote:

> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
> random order) :
>
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
>
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
  - Explain where to get documentation
  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
  - ...

Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could 
improve ?


> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)
>
> By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
> currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
> connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

When doing this on CentOS 5.1 in a kickstart file (repo directive) it 
would fail because of the wrong package order. One of the first things 
that needs to be installed is glibc (because of ldconfig) and coreutils 
but it didn't go first and 100% packages simply failed to install.

I didn't debug this, maybe the updates repo needed some special tweaking ?


-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 24 10:13:08 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:13:08 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

Maybe a tad late now? Especially if we think about translations.

>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>  - Explain where to get documentation
>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>  - ...

There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
things above.

> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
> improve ?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Sat May 24 10:30:14 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:30:14 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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Message-ID: <4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>
>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>> changing desktops.
> 
> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
> image is:
> 
> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug


Thanks,

I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 24 13:19:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:19:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805240619v1505fd11s54007051c63951e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
>> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>>
>>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>>> changing desktops.
>>
>> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
>> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
>> image is:
>>
>> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug
>
> Thanks,
>
> I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq

Surely.  Thanks.

Akemi


From mouss at netoyen.net  Sat May 24 19:30:47 2008
From: mouss at netoyen.net (mouss)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:30:47 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
	<2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48386CE7.5020307@netoyen.net>

Will Langford wrote:
> I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...
>
>   

I didn't know that <centos-devel at centos.org> was a member of this list...

Is there any reason to accept such junk (From: containing 
centos-devel at centos.org. or even *@centos.org if the submitter isn't in 
this domain)?


From postoffice at mailhub.owlriver.net  Sun May 25 11:41:03 2008
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Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 07:41:03 -0400
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From hoschi at mouhaha.de  Sun May 25 22:44:04 2008
From: hoschi at mouhaha.de (Oliver Peter)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:44:04 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
Message-ID: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>

Hi,

I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.

If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
not hesitate to contact me.

Bye

O.

-- 
Oliver PETER, email: hoschi at mouhaha.de, ICQ# 113969174
"Worker bees can leave.  Even drones can fly away.
                         The Queen is their slave."
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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 06:46:40 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:46:40 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>   
>>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>>  - Explain where to get documentation
>>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>>  - ...
>>     
>
> There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
> things above.
>   

The are currently 9 images in the anaconda rnotes directory for each
language, 01 -- 09.
Can we have e.g. 10-centos-release-cycle, 11-centos-extra etc. or something?

Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Ruomu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 08:41:40 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:41:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Exactly.

Ralph
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Mon May 26 09:18:36 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:18:36 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A806C.508@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
>> improve ?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

I don't have any editing rights there, don't need them either if this
mail is read ;)

My advice for the 05-centos5-centosplus.png would be to change the URL
to <http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories>. The wiki is very helpful and
this link is much easier to remember. On the wiki-page CentOSPlus is the
first repository mentioned, so this even fits to the contents of the slide.

Cheers,
Niels

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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 09:34:35 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:34:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
	<483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com> <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>   
>> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
>> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
>>     

I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Romu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 09:59:38 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:59:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
	<20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de> <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526095938.GY6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Ruomu Hu wrote:
> >   
> >> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> >> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
> >>     
> 
> I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
> there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Good.

Please wait for a call for translation for the Release Notes of CentOS
5.2 (which should go out today to this list).

There is no real chance to do new slides for 5.2, but I put that on my
ToDo list for 5.3. But: It would be great if you could translate our
Release Notes which live on http://wiki.centos.org/ (more details
follow).

What you can do now is register yourself a wiki account there
(FirstnameLastname, please) and tell me when you did so.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:39:00 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:39:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Volunteering for CentOS
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

   I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
  and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could help
with. I could help with testing and recompiling
  the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work you
need help with thats within my abilities, I
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:44:46 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:44:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>

Hello
>
>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me


Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
to help you

Best wishes,
                  Jordan

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From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:30:01 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:00:01 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155494980805270130q23098ca3s3b46c79871029dd9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
        I am glad to join with you CentOS devs and testers. I am ready to
spend my hours for centos testing. I am sure i may help you a little. I will
be glad to hlep you like Jordan Evans. :)

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best to help you
>
> Best wishes,
>                   Jordan
>
>
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
Regards,
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:32:19 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:32:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
> to help you

Hi Jordan,

Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
(http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
projects) and a ToDo section.

I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
what you think.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 09:02:04 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:02:04 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
In-Reply-To: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
References: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270202x106dd106p26679531260b9442@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Oliver Peter <hoschi at mouhaha.de> wrote:
>
> I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
> release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.
>
> If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
> not hesitate to contact me.

Hi Oliver,

Thank you for your interest in helping. We are a bit to far in the QA
process at the moment to include you at the moment. But keep an eye
this mailinglist for future announcements and requests for testers. If
you like you can check out the CentOS wiki (http://wiki.centos.org)
and have a look at the different projects and the ToDo list. Maybe you
can find some you are interested in there and can help out that way.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Tue May 27 22:58:11 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:58:11 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> >> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
> >>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> >> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
> >>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> >> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> >> --
> >> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
> >
> > Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best
> > to help you
>
> Hi Jordan,
>
> Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
> following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
> CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
> (http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
> projects) and a ToDo section.
>
> I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
> what you think.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83
>
> Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
> "microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
> (Linus Torvalds)
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi Tim,

    I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
on it.

                                               Best wishes,
                                                                Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 07:58:17 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:58:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280058v43c143bfp15579e55b6adaf5f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
> that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
> on it.
>

Very nice that you find some projects you like. Normally the people
responsable for those projects will respond to your mail. If not mail
again to centos-devel and say explicitly that you would like to help
on a certain project. Also, some people are busy so it may take a
couple of days for them to respond.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 08:55:31 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:55:31 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
Message-ID: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>

Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
 a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
to organise it on a ongoing basis.

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:09:13 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:13 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Karan,
                  I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
wrote:

> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>
> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>



-- 
Regards,
Karthi Keyan
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From aim.prabhat at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:50:34 2008
From: aim.prabhat at gmail.com (prabhat kumar)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 04:50:34 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebca8da00805280450j6c45f01bv77ea43821e4558e3@mail.gmail.com>

I also want to contribute something, since I am using CentOS from past 2
year.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:09 AM, KarthiKeyan <karthixinbox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Karan,
>                   I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
> procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
>> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
>> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
>> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
>> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>>
>> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
>> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>>
>> --
>> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
>> _______________________________________________
>> CentOS-devel mailing list
>> CentOS-devel at centos.org
>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Karthi Keyan
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
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http://adminlinux.blogspot.com
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From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 14:11:19 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:11:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jordan,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;).

I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
head, the most urgent things:

- Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
- Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
which is slow ;).
- Add RSS feeds.
- Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
latest).

The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
get peer-review).

Take care,
Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:04:23 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:04:23 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Hi,

I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
current pacakges in the testing repo.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 15:42:17 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:42:17 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.

I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.

Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
Fail would be good.

> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
> current pacakges in the testing repo.

I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

- KB


From woboyle at ieee.org  Wed May 28 16:26:52 2008
From: woboyle at ieee.org (William Boyle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
Message-ID: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>

I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

William Boyle
Application Frameworks and Systems, Inc.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 17:17:54 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:54 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:

> Hi Jordan,
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> > that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my
> python
> > ;).
>
> I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
> thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
> Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
> There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
> head, the most urgent things:
>
> - Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
> - Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
> record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
> which is slow ;).
> - Add RSS feeds.
> - Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
> parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
> we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
> latest).
>
> The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
> work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
> tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
> get peer-review).
>
> Take care,
> Daniel
>  _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi

After I brush up on my python and learn the Django web framework, I would
like to try to get a demo working and get the changelog thing sorted out,
but that won't be for a couple days.

       Cheers
                 Jordan
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:00:36 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:00:36 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>

Developers,

Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz

Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png

Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
Could someone help on that ?

Thanks,
al.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:13:48 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:43:48 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281113h493cc11dlabf39b7658f99e1a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado <
alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:

> Developers,
>
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think
> ?
>
> LoginScreen:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
>
> Wallpaper:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
>
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
>
> Thanks,
> al.
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi,

    The wallpaper looks really nice, it looks pretty modern and it doesn't
distract
    away from anything

Good job,

              Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From hrbac.conf at seznam.cz  Wed May 28 18:56:15 2008
From: hrbac.conf at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgSHJiw6HEjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:56:15 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>

Alain Reguera Delgado napsal(a):
> Developers,
> 
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
> 
> Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
> 
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> al.

Alain,
it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version. Anyway, the wall 
paper looks pretty fine.
Regards,
David Hrb??


From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 19:22:34 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:34 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:
...
> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.

Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.

What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Thanks,
al.

From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 19:47:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alain,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
<alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
of an order) is a bit distracting.

Take care,
Daniel


From lystor at lystor.org.ua  Wed May 28 21:47:19 2008
From: lystor at lystor.org.ua (Nikolay Ulyanitsky)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:47:19 +0300
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212011239.4856.0.camel@lystor.users.home.lystor.org.ua>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:22 -0400, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Width / height = 16 / 10


-- 
Nikolay Ulyanitsky <lystor at lystor.org.ua>



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:22:29 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:29 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDB25.7020108@uoregon.edu>


Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:.
>> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.
> 
> Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
> various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.
> 
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

I think he means for widescreen displays, which are getting more and more 
popular. Common resolutions are 1280x800, 1440x900, 1920x1200. You can 
probably google for a better list, but those are the big three I think.

-Brandon


From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:25:00 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:25:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> of an order) is a bit distracting.

Someone's a little OCD :)

I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png

-Brandon


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Thu May 29 00:15:15 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:15:15 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483DF593.2080303@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.
> 
> I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
> details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
> responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
> or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
> people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
> they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
> expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.
> 
> Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
> details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
> to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
> be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
> they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
> Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
> Fail would be good.
> 
>> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
>> current pacakges in the testing repo.
> 
> I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
> there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
> the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

If those packages are travelling together, then they should stay 
together. However, if new cft appears without its companions, and gets 
no testing, it's hard to justify its promotion.

And this is just testing, deleting it here doesn't mean it vanishes from 
the target repo.
> 
> The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

Always, it's communication.

I think email should _always_ go out, even if the builder doesn't intend 
it to be promoted. If there's a point to putting it into the repo, it's 
to share it, and if you want people to use it you have to tell them.

The email must contain a summary of what's changed, and a summary of 
what the package does. If I don't use it now, tell me why I might want to!

A lot of package descriptions are next to incomprehensible. Take this, 
from F9:
FAAD 2 is a LC, MAIN and LTP profile, MPEG2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder, 
completely
written from scratch.

This package contains libfaad.


Better, something like "FAAD 2" decodes various (generic description of 
just what MAIN, LTP etc are), including (name them) and is used for/by ....

If they're used by Amorok and I know I use that, then I know maybe I 
should be interested in this.

The email might link to a wiki, but don't expect users to use the wiki 
to decide whether it's something they should test.

I presume that these announcements would amount to quite a bit of email, 
maybe enough to seriously change the nature of this list should they 
come here.

You might consider a new list, maybe "updates-announcements" where these 
announcements go, and that responses be directed to this list. This list 
might help where/if there are different packagers on different 
platforms: Joe builds on IA32, Fred sees he needs to build on zSeries 
and Freda on Power.

Seed it with members of this list, it's little different from just 
sending mail here, and gives users of this list the ability to opt out. 
This would ensure there's a decent number of eyeballs seeing its 
contents from day one.

The list description for the new list would recommend also subscribing 
to this list, but I don't think everyone will want to.

The description of this list should be updated to recommend new 
subscribers also subscribe to updates-announcements so as to keep 
abreast of threatened changes. Again, not everyone will want to.

If there's a formal test procedure for a particular package, then this 
should be described in its wiki document. I imagine some packages - gcc, 
postgresql for example - might have established test cases to run, and 
others might be added as new bugs are reported and resolved.




-- 

Cheers
John

-- spambait
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-- Advice
http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

You cannot reply off-list:-)


From subsolar at subsolar.com  Thu May 29 00:23:04 2008
From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
Message-ID: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:25 -0700, Brandon Davidson wrote:
> Daniel de Kok wrote:
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> > <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> > 
> > Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> > of an order) is a bit distracting.
> 
> Someone's a little OCD :)
> 
> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> -Brandon

Like that one much more personally.

Paul



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Thu May 29 00:32:25 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
	<1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
Message-ID: <483DF999.1060504@uoregon.edu>

Paul wrote:
>> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
>> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> Like that one much more personally.


I too favor the 'streams and lines' ones (either horizontal or vertical) over 
the others. They remind me of a stream of bubbles in water... odd, box-shaped 
bubbles :) The one with the tiled logo is particularly busy and would, I 
think, get on my nerves.

-Brandon


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Thu May 29 07:42:34 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:34 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
In-Reply-To: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805290042p2434dae2sfcd3aac63cb60c88@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM, William Boyle <woboyle at ieee.org> wrote:
> I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
> and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
> boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
> necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

Hi William,

We currently have enough testers for the 5.2 release. But I'll keep
your name in the back of my head if we need more help. We appriciate
that you are willing to volunteer. If you would like it, there are
some other things for which we could use more people. So if you are
interrested in let us know.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Thu May 29 09:19:49 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:19:49 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483E7535.2080008@karan.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.


I tried to implement some of the stuff I wrote in my previous email -
implement on the wiki that is, and its too much work getting all the
stuff together. And its 'too much' enough, to make it something that
most people wont bother with, it raises the barrier too far.

Perhaps a php or python+django or Rails hosted app that can manage this
for us would be good. Anyone fancy a shot ?

I can work with Tim and get some sort of a specification up...

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Thu May 29 19:49:56 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:49:56 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
Message-ID: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello all..

I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/

But where can I find the source?

Thanks...Paul...




From jeff at osuosl.org  Fri May 30 00:08:04 2008
From: jeff at osuosl.org (Jeff Sheltren)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:08:04 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>

On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:

> Hello all..
>
> I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
>
> But where can I find the source?
>
> Thanks...Paul...

I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec

Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...

-Jeff


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Fri May 30 03:11:58 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:11:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <1212117118.3635.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks..  I was already building using the version from dev.centos.org
(buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm), so I didn't want to
deviate too much.

At any rate, I've discovered that the latest buildsys-build spec
"template" is available in the git repo for mock.  Strange that I don't
see it in the latest mock .tar.gz release though.

I queried the CentOS version (rpm -qp --requires
buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm 2>/dev/null | sort) and
discovered the diff between it and the latest from git:  CentOS requires
'python' where the latest version from the mock git repo does not.  The
git version requires 'buildsys-macros' where the CentOS version does
not.

Looking at /etc/mock/epel-5-i386.cfg on my Fedora 9 install, I found
that 'buildsys-macros' RPM and SRPM could be found here:
http://buildsys.fedoraproject.org/buildgroups/rhel5/i386/

Now I know what I'm dealing with, but this would have been a whole lot
easier to figure out if the CentOS SRPM had been available..  :(

Cheers...Paul...

-------

P.S....

Browse the mock git repo here to find buildsys-build.spec.template:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser

Browse previous .spec versions (before buildsys-build.spec was renamed
to buildsys-build.spec.template):
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/log/buildsys-build.spec?rev=1c14b3c9b6fcbad867afbb7cc09ec5d91cf9e642

Looks like this version (0.5-4) is closest to the centos rpm version
wise:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser/buildsys-build.spec?rev=04580c1234b74957e25d490993e74095ae218d5d



On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:08 -0700, Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> Sender: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> Errors-To: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> X-Spam: exempt
> X-MAIL-FROM: <centos-devel-bounces at centos.org>
> X-SOURCE-IP: [72.21.40.12]
> 
> On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > Hello all..
> >
> > I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> > http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
> >
> > But where can I find the source?
> >
> > Thanks...Paul...
> 
> I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
> http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec
> 
> Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...
> 
> -Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:12:45 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:45 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-52.EL
Message-ID: <483F7EBD.20509@ict.swin.edu.au>

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be 
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be 
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:41:53 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:41:53 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <483F8591.8030606@ict.swin.edu.au>

(I am sending this message again with the correct subject).

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin


From tru at centos.org  Fri May 30 10:20:02 2008
From: tru at centos.org (Tru Huynh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:20:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <20080530102002.GC13736@sillage.bis.pasteur.fr>

Thanks to John Newbigin the new GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are
now available.

http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

i386:
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm

Best regards,

Tru
-- 
Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance)
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBEFA581B
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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 30 11:53:46 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:53:46 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
> 
> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From ned at unixmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 12:31:48 2008
From: ned at unixmail.co.uk (Ned Slider)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:31:48 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <483FF3B4.9070004@unixmail.co.uk>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 
> 
> 

You could check the developers blogs at:

http://planet.centos.org/

Specifically Tim's posting from May 23, 2008.



From csieh at fnal.gov  Fri May 30 16:15:37 2008
From: csieh at fnal.gov (Connie Sieh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org> <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>

On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>> 
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>

There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/

There should be x86_64 version available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64

soon.

-Connie Sieh
>
>
>


From rayvd at bludgeon.org  Fri May 30 16:30:47 2008
From: rayvd at bludgeon.org (Ray Van Dolson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:30:47 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
Message-ID: <20080530163046.GA16730@bludgeon.org>

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:15:37AM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:
>
>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>>
>>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>>
>> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
>> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
>> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>>
>
> There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/
>
> There should be x86_64 version available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64
>
> soon.
>
> -Connie Sieh

To the parent poster.. if you're just wanting to test for better
graphics support, why not use an eval copy of RHEL 5.2 vs an Alpha of
SL?

(If you're needing to test *now* vs in a week or two)

Ray


From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 30 18:10:02 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:10:02 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <484042FA.6030403@gmail.com>

John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 

Can you be more specific as to what you consider "adequate support for 
graphics"?

-- 
   Les Mikesell
     lesmikesell at gmail.com



From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Sat May 31 14:39:21 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:39:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS Forums again
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805310739n79ea479y760eecf6159929bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Having some time to do stuff for CentOS here at LinuxTag I've also
being building FreeIPA packages for CentOS. The idea that this will be
core part of a central authentication system. Meaning that you will
only need 1 account that you can use to login into the website, forum,
wiki, bugtracker, systems, ...

IMHO the most important system that needs to be attached to the
central auth database are the forums. There are a lot of users there
(and a lot of content). So I was thinking, why not fix 2 things at the
same time. Migrate from the old forum to the new forum that is linked
to the central auth system. And then later on couple the other
existing apps to it.

My feeling is that the most productive way to get forward with the
website/forum update is to split the forum from the website. In my
experience the forum present in CMS tools aren't made for the amount
of traffic we are having. So something dedicated sound like a better
option. So I have been looking around for open source forum software
that link to ldap without to much effort. I've looked at 3 projects
(Phorum, phpBB and SMF). They all 3 are good looking, well featured
and maintained. Though, only phpBB has a decent built-in LDAP
integration (FreeIPA is built on top of LDAP).

So my proposal is to setup a FreeIPA instance, link it with phpBB and
try to migrate a part of the current forums and see how all that
works. And if it looks good migrate to that.

So what do people think, did I miss stuff, other suggestions, ...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  2 04:55:33 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:55:33 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] xorg 7.2 on CentOS5
In-Reply-To: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4818F776.8040002@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <481A9EC5.4090607@herakles.homelinux.org>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Has anyone built xorg 7.2 for C5, or have handy hints on how it might be 
> done?
> 

"Too much trouble," I decided. Had to pull in too many dependencies, and 
by the time PolicyKit and ConsoleKit got included, it wasn't much like 
RHEL5-clone any more.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Fri May  2 17:19:21 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:19:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM

are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be 
found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Fri May  2 22:10:03 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:10:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.

I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
5.2 is released anyway.

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Sat May  3 11:19:59 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:19:59 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>>  are you plan to update virt-manager, libvirt, python-virtinst and gtk-vnc?
>>  most of them can be simple rebuild from fedora's development or can be
>> found in my repo http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/centos/5/.
> 
> I'd like to stay with the current versions, and see what movement
> there will be upstream. As things look right now, 5.2 will have new
> libvirt (plus dependent) packages. So, I'd rather not go through a
> whole testing recycle, when the packages will not be of much use when
> 5.2 is released anyway.

afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one 
version behind the current libvirt is far away.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 10:16:05 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:16:05 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<481B4D19.50505@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805021510odd76f69yae74480ffdd83434@mail.gmail.com>
	<481C4A5F.8040201@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050316s6c3ace87rfb719a47acdecfe3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farkas,

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  afais in 5.2 it's still libvirt-0.3.3:-( the other packages just one
> version behind the current libvirt is far away.

Let's wait until 5.2 is out. When it is, could you create a list of
features (if any) that we absolutely need, and that are not in libvirt
included in 5.2? If there is a strong case for it (e.g. absence of
proper KVM support), we could look into providing it in CentOS-plus.

Take care,
Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May  5 12:47:54 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 20:47:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
Message-ID: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>

Hi,

I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
I need a respin dist (all updates included).

I wrote a script to generate my CentOS5-respin. My CentOS5 tree is at
/centos/5, it is rsynced with a Taiwan mirror daily. My generated
CentOS5 tree is placed at /centos/5-respin.

The generation of CentOS5-respin by my script runs fine, but the
generated CentOS5-respin tree has a problem: During network installation
using this CentOS5-respin tree, when it gets rpm installation, it always
complains "The file system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm cannot
be opened.". In the text console, the error message is "Failed to get
http://myserver/centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/system-config-services-0.9.4-1.el5.noarch.rpm".
Anaconda should look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64/CentOS, but
it actually looks for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64.

Any ideas?
It would be nice if anyone could point me to some useful docs.

Thanks!
Ruomu

P.S. Here's my script:

#!/bin/bash
#
# gen_respin_distro
#
# To use this script, the following rpms need to installed first:
# anaconda
# anaconda-help
# anaconda-runtime
# busybox-anaconda ?
# bogl
# booty
# netpbm
# netpbm-progs
# mkisofs

#TODO
# 1. Should we use pkgorder? If yes, when?
# 2. Do we need to run pkgorder before buildinstall?
# 3. Do we need to run createrepo? Buildinstall seems to calls it.
# 4. Why does it look for rpms in /centos/5-respin/os/x86_64?


# Check tools
rpmmerge=`dirname "$0"`/rpmmerge
if [ ! -x "$rpmmerge" ]; then
echo "$rpmmerge does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
createrepo="/usr/bin/createrepo"
if [ ! -x "$createrepo" ]; then
echo "$createrepo does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi
buildinstall="/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/buildinstall"
if [ ! -x "$buildinstall" ]; then
echo "$buildinstall does not exist or is not executable." >&2
exit 1
fi

# Set variables and functions
src="/centos/5"
dest="/centos/5-respin"
distro="CentOS"
arch="x86_64"
version="5"
product="CentOS"
release="Respin"
prodpath="CentOS"
eval_retval()
{
test $? -ne 0 && exit 1
}

# Merge rpms
echo -e "*** Merge rpms ***\n"
$rpmmerge $src/os/$arch/$distro $src/updates/$arch/RPMS
$dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval

# Create repo data
echo -e "\n*** Create repo data ***\n"
#cp -al $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml $dest/os/$arch/$distro
#eval_retval
$createrepo -q -g $src/os/$arch/repodata/comps.xml -c $dest/os/$arch/cache \
-o $dest/os/$arch $dest/os/$arch/$distro
eval_retval
#rm -f $dest/os/$arch/$distro/comps.xml
#eval_retval

# Run buildinstall
export PYTHONPATH="/usr/lib/anaconda"
echo -e "\n*** Buildinstall ***\n"
sudo $buildinstall \
--pkgorder "$dest/os/$arch/pkgorder.txt" \
--version $version \
--product $product \
--release $release \
--prodpath $prodpath \
$dest/os/$arch
eval_retval

exit 0


From mattdm at mattdm.org  Mon May  5 13:56:53 2008
From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:53 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
> I need a respin dist (all updates included).

Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
packages already installed.

-- 
Matthew Miller           mattdm at mattdm.org          <http://mattdm.org/>
Boston University Linux      ------>              <http://linux.bu.edu/>


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:23:46 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:23:46 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
Message-ID: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>

Developers, developers, developers ...

We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
<http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
editorial staff.

(Note: We can still discuss about that)

What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:

- Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
- should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
  one person)
- Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
  weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
  schemes. 
- Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
  about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
  way for quick and lasting flame fests)

And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
that list (or at least help with that)?

Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
offerings.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 15:26:07 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:07 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080505152607.GL9139@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? 
                                            ^at
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From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Mon May  5 15:57:46 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:57:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>

I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).

Example:

* The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
* Specific skills needed should appear on the email.

That's just my twenty cents.

- Scott

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...
>
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
>
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
>
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
>
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
>
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
>
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
>
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>   



From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 15:52:33 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Developers, developers, developers ...

I love this project!

>  - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)

People who want to apply for a job should know how to handle Google
:). Additionally, I think it normally only useful to skim through the
job offers of the last one or two months.

>  - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)

Yes.

>  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes.

I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

>  - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)

No, it does not serve a purpose. If someone want to follow up on an
offer, they can do so via private mail.

>  And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
>  vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
>  Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
>  that list (or at least help with that)?

Other projects have comparable lists, and they are great. Sometimes
the offers are too general, so, I am all in for moderation. I'd like
to help moderating.

-- Daniel


From amyagi at gmail.com  Mon May  5 16:06:56 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:06:56 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
>  >  - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>  >   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>  >   schemes.
>
>  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.

As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
and accepted or would it be rejected?

http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

Akemi


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:16 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:16 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
> and accepted or would it be rejected?
> 
> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:13:41 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:13:41 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
Message-ID: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>

Scott Grizzard wrote:
> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> 
> Example:
> 
> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.

What about the country? =:D

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:21:31 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:21:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050921k5ac8ac62i73de77e7c3fcc3ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Akemi Yagi <amyagi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:
>  >  I think we should restrict this to CentOS (or upstream)-related job
>  >  offers, not generic UNIX/Linux-related offers.
>
>  As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>  CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>  and accepted or would it be rejected?
>  http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991

I would reject it:

- It does note state where CentOS is involved.
- It is not clear whether the company wants to hire a person full
time, or wants to make use of consulting services.
- What prior experience is required? What qualifications?
(- How about salary/benefits?)

I think this is a good example what a job offer could look like:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-jobs/2006/07/21/0000.html

-- Daniel


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May  5 16:32:00 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:32:00 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Scott Grizzard wrote:
> > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
> > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
> 
> What about the country? =:D

Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Ralph
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From daniel at centos.org  Mon May  5 16:41:06 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:41:06 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>  > Scott Grizzard wrote:
>  > > I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>  > > formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>  > >
>  > > Example:
>  > >
>  > > * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>  >
>  > What about the country? =:D
>
>  Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
>  allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
>  at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

Yes. If an offer is purely in a foreign language, it's probably better
off on one of the non-English lists after an acknowledgement of the
list moderator. I have only once received such request for the Dutch
list.

-- Daniel
-- Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:43:31 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:43:31 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>
	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805050941i7ec1192fx1b18729bc7e7154c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805051143n51ebcc35pa928ed915da7d981@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've got no real comments based on what was already said. I just want
to say it is a good idea.

What maybe is a option is to post the rules and some sort of template
on the wiki and refer to that when people want to post something.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Mon May  5 21:59:16 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:59:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>
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On Mon, 5 May 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Scott Grizzard wrote:
>>> I think a mailing list is a good idea, but I think it should have some
>>> formatting guidelines (not "rules", just guidelines).
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> * The city the job is located in should appear first on the Subject line.
>>
>> What about the country? =:D
>
> Following up on that: I think that foreign language mails should be
> allowed when/if there is an english translation also in those mails. Or
> at least a rough overview of what the job is about in english.

I took that to ask if the country/location as well as the city should be 
required in the subject rather than what language the text might happen to 
be in.

For example a job offer in the city of 'Cambridge' might be in one of 
several places... :-)

Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.

  -- Jon

[ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]


From rwalker at medallion.com  Mon May  5 22:01:57 2008
From: rwalker at medallion.com (Ross S. W. Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:01:57 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> 
> Developers, developers, developers ...
> 
> We had a short discussion about "How to offer jobs / How to search for
> people who know CentOS" within the existing CentOS infrastructure. We
> dismissed the idea of putting a "Jobs forum" at
> <http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/>, neither did we want a section on
> the web site which would have to be cared about by some sort of
> editorial staff.
> 
> (Note: We can still discuss about that)
> 
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.
> 
> Some (rather unsorted) thoughts which came up:
> 
> - Do we also want people to be able to search for jobs (my opinion: No)
> - should that list be moderated (my opinion: Yes - by maybe more than
>   one person)
> - Which standards do we need for a job to be posted there? That helps
>   weeding out some "get criminal quick" schemes or other snowball
>   schemes. 
> - Do we want an unmoderated discussion list besides that for discussing
>   about job offers - like on Usenet (my opinion: No, that really is a
>   way for quick and lasting flame fests)
> 
> And the biggest questions: Do we need that all? Do you have another
> vision of how we can do those job offerings within our infrastructure?
> Do you have experiences with stuff like that? Do *you* want to moderate
> that list (or at least help with that)?
> 
> Discuss. I'd be particularly interested in the standards for job
> offerings.

A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
and recruitment firms.

Just my .02 

-Ross

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From me at danieldk.org  Mon May  5 22:13:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:13:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
<rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>  and recruitment firms.

Hence moderation ;).

-- Daniel


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:21:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:21:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805052242480.30413@deluxe.damtp.cam.ac.uk>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<481F2E7A.1000108@scottgrizzard.com>	<20080505161341.GN9139@br-online.de>	<20080505163200.GP9139@br-online.de>
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Jon Peatfield wrote:

> Not that we seem to generally specify what exact Linux distros people 
> should be familiar with (we hope for applicants who can learn and apply 
> their knowledge to anything), but if we did we wouldn't want people to 
> accidentally think that we are located near Boston MA.
> 
>  -- Jon
> 
> [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]

HEP?


It's not obvious to me that, should I be looking for someone to work on 
my CentOS project that I should restrict myself to people who are 
already involved in CentOS. Generally, I would think, people experienced 
in RHEL or SL would serve as well, and those familiar with other distros 
(Debian, SUSE) might bring fresh ideas.

I like the Shuttles technique - go on a holiday. Take archives of 
mailing lists. Evaluate peoples' skills, attitudes (eg how they deal 
with others)and ethics. Then, issue invitations.



-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:25:35 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:25:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>
>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
> 
> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.

It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect they're 
looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do. Maybe a 
smallbusiness person who does such things.

It doesn't look like enough work for one.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Mon May  5 23:32:00 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:32:00 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Wrong directory in CentOS5-respin
In-Reply-To: <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
References: <481F01FA.4020609@gmail.com> <20080505135653.GA468@jadzia.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <481F98F0.3030101@herakles.homelinux.org>

Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:47:54PM +0800, Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> I often need to install CentOS5 on servers, I do this a lot, so I think
>> I need a respin dist (all updates included).
> 
> Nah. Instead, make your kickstart point to both the main repo and the
> updates repo, and it'll mrge the two and give you a system with the newest
> packages already installed.
> 
I'm with Matthew. If you do it on the road a lot, pack a laptop with the 
repos you want, dhcpd, tftp (run BIND too) installed and ready to start, 
a small switch and a few wires.And, maybe, a DVD and boot cd, just in case.

You can reconfigure as needed in %post and on first boot.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Tue May  6 00:48:49 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:48:49 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
Message-ID: <20080506004849.GD25909@br-online.de>

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
> and recruitment firms.

So you want to apply for that database job which requires no oracle
knowledge but if you can bring in some cli experience (can you spell
${VARIABLE}?) we'd like to talk to you.
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From J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk  Tue May  6 01:01:36 2008
From: J.S.Peatfield at damtp.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:01:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
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On Tue, 6 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

<snip>
>>  [ would anyone be interested in a junior position in our HEP group? ]
>
> HEP?

HEP == High Energy Physics (almost universally I thought).

It is just a job supporting computing in that group here (well ~50% of the 
time) so the actual meaning isn't very important.

The deadline for applications is today and it is a junior post so I doubt 
that many people reading this would be very interested.  If you are I'm 
sure that your advanced google-fu would let you find it pretty quickly ;-)

  -- Jon


From scott at scottgrizzard.com  Tue May  6 02:26:32 2008
From: scott at scottgrizzard.com (Scott Grizzard)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:26:32 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <481F976F.9070102@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>	<30f19d040805050852m5dd27c08u13612d9146cffe3c@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870805050906h1c120291ofdc5630896f7dc68@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080505161316.GM9139@br-online.de>
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You know what would be a good idea:

If you had a website that would parse various job postings on mailing  
lists, then categorize them by location, job type, etc. and post them  
on a craig's list type setting.  Hmmm........

Seriously, I think the job posting list is a great idea, no matter  
what form it takes.  I also think that having formatting guidelines  
for posting jobs is a good idea, so that people that subscribe can set  
up email filters that sort out the junk.

I think ease of setting up rules should be the primary motavation for  
the guidelines.

That would also take out some of the abuse potential, as humans would  
have to reformat the emails they are posting everywhere else for this  
mailing list.

-- Scott

PS: Anyone looking for an MA in economics with some mean centos and  
ubuntu skills?  He He He...

On May 5, 2008, at 4:25 PM, John Summerfield wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>>> As a test case, I'd like to present this post that appeared in the
>>> CentOS forum not long ago.  Would this be regarded as CentOS-related
>>> and accepted or would it be rejected?
>>>
>>> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14058&forum=37&post_id=47991#forumpost47991
>> It's not too clear about what it has to with CentOS, should be a bit
>> more expansive about what the job requires. IMHO.
>
> It's not clearly EL-related; it says "outsourcing" so I suspect  
> they're looking for someone to add it to the list of things they do.  
> Maybe a smallbusiness person who does such things.
>
> It doesn't look like enough work for one.
>
> -- 
>
> Cheers
> John
>
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From me at danieldk.org  Tue May  6 07:44:30 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:44:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
Message-ID: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
packaged.

Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
CentOS Wiki at:

http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories

The qemu package is named (surprise :)) 'qemu', and can be installed
after adding the testing repository:

yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install qemu

Thanks,
Daniel


From mark at foster.cc  Tue May  6 15:12:23 2008
From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:12:23 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] qemu 0.9.1
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040805060044j276d66ffl1f33037f6532f5eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48207557.6000501@foster.cc>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> qemu 0.9.1 packages are now provided through the CentOS 5 testing
> repository. qemu is mainly provided for the qemu-img tool, but in the
> future we may also add kqemu. We'd like to hear if qemu-img is working
> ok for everybody. We can focus on testing qemu itself once kqemu is
> packaged.
>   

Wonderful!
Hopeful to see kqemu soon, too.
qemu + kqemu is great alternative to vmware* and for those of use who 
don't have vmx-capable hardware. So nice that vdisk created with 
qemu-img should be transportable between qemu & kvm.

-- 
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
Mark D. Foster, CISSP <mark at foster.cc>  http://mark.foster.cc/




From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 15:19:40 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 17:19:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>

there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
-----------------------------------------------------
# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "downloadonly" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
Reading repository metadata in from local files
0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for 
package: kmod-kvm
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed 
by package kmod-kvm
-----------------------------------------------------
you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
                                  ^^^
and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?


Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Daniel de Kok <daniel at centos.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  We have just added KVM-66 packages to the CentOS 5 testing repository.
>>  This version of the Kernel Virtual Machine has numerous improvements
>>  over KVM-36, which is currently in CentOS-Extras. One of the notable
>>  new features is support for paravirtualized block and network devices
>>  through the virtio architecture[1]. Currently, only Linux kernel
>>  2.6.25 provides paravirtualized block and NIC  drivers. A
>>  paravirtualized NIC driver is available for Windows[2].
>>
>>  We'd like to hear from current KVM users whether this version has any
>>  regressions for their applications compared to KVM-36. Of course, we
>>  are interested in other bug reports as well!
>>
>>  Information on using the CentOS Testing repository can be found on the
>>  CentOS Wiki at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
>>
>>  The KVM module package is named 'kmod-kvm', and has a dependency on
>>  the userland KVM tool. So, the following command should do the trick,
>>  and pull in all required dependencies:
>>
>>  yum --enablerepo=c5-testing install kmod-kvm
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Daniel
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that a wiki article on HowTo install/use
> KVM is also available as a draft:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM
> 
> Akemi
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Wed May  7 15:50:46 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:50:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>  Setting up Install Process
>  Setting up repositories
>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>  Parsing package install arguments
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>  --> Running transaction check
>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
> kmod-kvm
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
> package kmod-kvm
>  -----------------------------------------------------
>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>                                  ^^^
>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?

Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.

# yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
(snip)
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
--> Running transaction check

Dependencies Resolved

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
 kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
c5-testing        701 k
 kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M

Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
Install      2 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove       0 Package(s)

-Akemi


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Wed May  7 16:36:58 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:36:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> there is something wrong with the current packages in the testing repo:
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
>>  Loading "installonlyn" plugin
>>  Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>>  Loading "priorities" plugin
>>  Setting up Install Process
>>  Setting up repositories
>>  Reading repository metadata in from local files
>>  0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections
>>  Parsing package install arguments
>>  Resolving Dependencies
>>  --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
>>  ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:44-1.2.6.18_8.1.14.el5 set to be installed
>>  --> Running transaction check
>>  --> Processing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 for package:
>> kmod-kvm
>>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>>  Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-x86_64 = 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5 is needed by
>> package kmod-kvm
>>  -----------------------------------------------------
>>  you see the kernel version 2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
>>                                  ^^^
>>  and don't know why yum try to install kvm-44 too?
> 
> Hmmm... I just tried the same command on a CentOS-5 x86_64 machine
> running the 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel.  It worked just fine.
> 
> # yum install --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=c5-testing kvm kmod-kvm
> (snip)
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
> ---> Package kvm.x86_64 0:66-1 set to be updated
> ---> Package kmod-kvm.x86_64 0:66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5 set to be installed
> --> Running transaction check
> 
> Dependencies Resolved
> 
> =============================================================================
>  Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
> =============================================================================
> Installing:
>  kmod-kvm                x86_64     66-1.2.6.18_53.1.14.el5
> c5-testing        701 k
>  kvm                     x86_64     66-1             c5-testing        1.0 M
> 
> Transaction Summary
> =============================================================================
> Install      2 Package(s)
> Update       0 Package(s)
> Remove       0 Package(s)

after remove the previous version then it's works otherwise not.
unfortunately the bigger problem kvm-66 is not working for us. the 
latest usable version was 62 (so we witch back to 62). our setup:
- host:
   - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
   - Intel S3000AHV
   - 8GB RAM
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-1:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 i386 32bit
- guest-2:
   - CentOS-5.1
   - kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 x86_64 64bit
- guest-3:
   - Mandrake-9
   - kernel-2.4.19.16mdk-1-1mdk 32bit
- guest-4:
   - Mandrake-10
   - kernel-2.6.14.2-p4-smp 32bit
- guest-5:
   - Windows XP Professional 32bit
mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are 
  boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From daniel at centos.org  Wed May  7 18:23:27 2008
From: daniel at centos.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:23:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805071123y6498134o9a17fb0dde295184@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>  mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.

Could you give more information? E.g. what kind of error do you get
when the kernel panics?

-- Daniel


From huruomu at gmail.com  Thu May  8 11:49:42 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:49:42 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
Message-ID: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>

Hi!

Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
there be any problems?

Thanks!

Ruomu


From kanarip at kanarip.com  Thu May  8 12:01:03 2008
From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:01:03 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
> there be any problems?
> 

Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;

No, you can't.

Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
 >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May  9 04:59:08 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 12:59:08 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Can I use newest anaconda in customized CentOS5?
In-Reply-To: <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
References: <4822E8D6.907@gmail.com> <4822EB7F.10403@kanarip.com>
Message-ID: <4823DA1C.2000305@herakles.homelinux.org>

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Can I use the newest anaconda (e.g. 11.4.0.78-1) in my customized
>> CentOS5? Will it work fine with CentOS5's kernel rpms, paths of
>> configuration files, names of related rpms(redhat-logo, etc), etc? Will
>> there be any problems?
>>
> 
> Judging from attempts to compose CentOS5 on Fedora 9, and attempts to 
> compose Fedora 9 from CentOS5 during my Revisor development;
> 
> No, you can't.
> 
> Of course you could try, but you will find requirements ranging from yum 
>  >= 3.2.4 to newer squashfs-tools, and as such it is not as simple as it 
> looks and would most likely prove not to be worth it.

I suspect the code imbeds quite a deal of knowledge about what is being 
installed, too.


-- 

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John

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From jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it  Fri May  9 08:40:56 2008
From: jjletho67-sotnec at yahoo.it (Marco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:40:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Backuppc 3.1.0
Message-ID: <305947.24643.qm@web27603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
i was looking for a backup system for small mixed
environment (linux and windows) to install on a centos
5.1 server and a tryed to use backuppc 3.1.0 from the
testing repository, mainly becouse I have already
succesfully used it in the past on a fedora server and
because it perfectly matches my requirements.

This is my expirience:

Before starting I carefully read this useful
documents:

http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2403
http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=1299

http://marc.info/?l=centos-devel&m=117145576710647&w=2

The first installation worked fine: I configured the
repository in yum and I succesfully downloaded and
installed backuppc and all the dependecies.

I configured apache to run as backuppc user instead of
apache and the server 
started working.

The server on wich i'm running backuppc is a general
purpose server and it's not dedicated 
to the backup job, so for me is a big issue running
apache as the backuppc user.

Studying the above mentioned documentation I solved
the issue by this way:

1) I downloaded the SRPMS version of backuppc
2) I manually applied the modification suggested by
ScratchMonkey to the spec file (the diff file proposed
on the bug tracker didn't work out of the box becouse
it refers to a previus version of backuppc, but I was
easily able to manually apply the modification).
3) I recompiled the RPM and I succesfully installed
it.
4) I configured apache to work in suexec mode (using
the sample conf file published on the bug tracker).

The server is now working fine and I havan't any
performance issue on the web intrface (but i have very
few clients).

My suggestion is to use the suexec mode which I find
very easy to implement and without collateral effect
on other web application published from the same
apache server.

I hope this will help.

Marco




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From dag at centos.org  Fri May  9 10:37:57 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:37:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Tue, 6 May 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
> <rwalker at medallion.com> wrote:
>>  A job posting list would be abused 6 ways to Sunday by head hunters
>>  and recruitment firms.
>
> Hence moderation ;).

Jobs are only useful based on location, that means a particular job in 
Brussels may not appeal to 99% of the subscribers, and therefor the 
signal-to-noise ratio is very poor. (May be different for very short 
contract work items or simple support requests)

I would leave job-offerings to dedicated, specialised sites where people 
can search and put resumes online. But if we have people to volunteer for 
the moderation I do not object with an experiment :)

I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
required. Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:

 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May  9 12:11:58 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:11:58 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF9022A7191@MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv>
	<30f19d040805051513p53e1bbd5y6d8b2c55004dce84@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805091232160.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080509121158.GR9139@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I just think it may be a waste of time, especially if moderation is 
> required. 

It's not going to be that much of a task to moderate a few job postings.

> Although it seems to work out fine for Drupal:
>
> 	http://drupal.org/paid-services
> 	http://groups.drupal.org/jobs

As it does for at least netbsd, as far as I know (one of their
developers is sitting a few desks away and we talked about that a little
bit).

Ralph
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From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 10 01:34:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:34:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805091834u2e9e5ccq4b6af62f0017b805@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> On Monday 25 February 2008, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> ...
>> > Johnny, could you let us know your reasons for wanting to point to the
>> > remote GPG key?
>>
>> We DON'T allow downloads of ISOs from centos.org servers due to
>> bandwidth considerations.  It would be fairly easy to put out an ISO
>> that had different RPMS and a different key.
>>
>> Granted, people CAN check the md5 and sha1 sum of the ISOs if they choose.
>>
>> Since we do control the content of every mirror.centos.org server, we
>> know that the key file is correct.  In order to make that key AND the
>> RPMS be bad, they need a doctored CD *AND* they need to hijack our
>> content by DNS poisoning or getting control of our servers.
>>
>> I just think if you are using the internet anyway, why not also get the
>> key from a known location.
>
> I agree that there's something intuitively right about that, but,
> unfortunately it's wrong :-)
>
> Here's why.
>
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...
>
> It will have to be up to the user to make sure (with our help, signed .isos,
> installers that check rpm signatures and stage2 signature) that he/she has an
> ok system. If they fail then they don't really run centos, they run haxx0r os
> and any attempt to validate anything inside that will fail.
>
> /Peter

This discussion has been dormant for a while...  With 5.2 just around
the corner, isn't it a good idea to wrap this up and reach some sort
of a conclusion?

Akemi


From me at danieldk.org  Sat May 10 14:35:54 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:35:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Point yum repos to centos gpg key in /etc/pki/
In-Reply-To: <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
References: <9A8A1940-196F-4620-A07E-4FAAA27E9B83@osuosl.org>
	<42A604E1-5940-40F9-BDBF-AD38B1B5A0A8@osuosl.org>
	<47C319E4.2040202@centos.org> <200802252147.39012.cap@nsc.liu.se>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805100735x687e2fb0n9249b2f47f60226c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/2/25 Peter Kjellstrom <cap at nsc.liu.se>:
> We have to assume that the install the user has is intact and uncompromised.
> Why? Well, if it has been compromised in any way then not only could it
> contain a malicious /etc/pki, it could of course have different gpgkey= lines
> in the .repo files...

Or a modified yum or RPM that only appears to do verification. I agree
that we should at the very least suppose that the user verifies the
installation media.

As for DNS poisoning or hacking, that misery can potentially happen to
everyone, and a good manner to guard against this is relying on the
pre-installed key from media that was proven to be correct. So, I
think this should be the default behavior.

Take care,
Daniel


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sat May 10 22:16:12 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:16:12 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
Message-ID: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.

However, even then, there are several file types for which no
thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm

Regards
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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# $Id: 
# Authority: 	h.adams

Summary: 	thunar-thumbnailers
Name: 		thunar-thumbnailers
Version: 	0.3.2
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Graphics
URL: 		http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/ristretto

Source: 	http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/%{name}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.9
BuildRequires: 	ImageMagick-devel >= 6.2.8.0

Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.9
Requires: 	ImageMagick >= 6.2.8.0

%description
Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate previews of image and font files and can automatically use available GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
However, even then, there are several file types for which no thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall

%post
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-vfs-update-thumbnailers-cache-1

%postun
update-mime-database %{_datadir}/mime &> /dev/null || :


%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README
%{_datadir}/mime/packages/%{name}.xml
%{_libexecdir}/*thumbnailer
%{_datadir}/thumbnailers/*.desktop

%changelog
* Sun Apr 11 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.3.2-1
- Initial package.
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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:30:04 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:30:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 10:46:25 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:25 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826CAAC.5040806@centos.org>
Message-ID: <4826CE81.5010305@centos.org>

Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
>>
>> Description:
>> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
>> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
>> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
>> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
>>
>> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
>> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
>> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats.
>> Download: 
>> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
>>
> 
> Which version(s) of XFCE, 4.4 in centos-5 ... 4.2 in CentOS-4, or both???

To answer my own question by reading the spec file :D ... for centos-5

I am currently building this and if all goes well, will include it in 
CentOS Extras.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From johnny at centos.org  Sun May 11 11:17:41 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 06:17:41 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> I'd like to submit the thunar-thumbnailer-package to the centos repo.
> 
> Description:
> Thunar uses external utilities - so called thumbnailers - to generate
> previews of certain files. Thunar ships with thumbnailers to generate
> previews of image and font files and can automatically use available
> GNOME thumbnailers if it was build with support for gconf.
> 
> However, even then, there are several file types for which no
> thumbnailer exists. The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional
> thumbnailers for Thunar, that also cover less common file formats. 
> 
> Download: 
> http://download.ha-software.de/thunar-thumbnailers-0.3.2-1.src.rpm
> 

Heiko,

Would you test these and see if they do what you want:

http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 12:11:01 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:11:01 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: thunar-thumbnailer
In-Reply-To: <4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
References: <1210457772.11805.6.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<4826D5D5.1020805@centos.org>
Message-ID: <1210507861.6481.2.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Sonntag, den 11.05.2008, 06:17 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
> Heiko,
> 
> Would you test these and see if they do what you want:
> 
> http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/thunar-thumbnailers/
IMHO they work as expected.
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Sun May 11 15:42:26 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:42:26 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Package submission: squeeze
Message-ID: <1210520546.9363.4.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
I'd like to submit the squeeze-package to the centos repo.

Description:
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop
Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze
is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

Download: 
http://download.ha-software.de/squeeze-0.2.3-1.src.rpm

Regards,
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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# $Id: 
# Authority: 	h.adams

Summary: 	Squeeze
Name: 		squeeze
Version: 	0.2.3
Release: 	1
License: 	GPL
Group: 		Applications/Utilities
URL: 		http://squeeze.xfce.org

Source: 	http://squeeze.xfce.org/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
BuildRoot: 	%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root

BuildRequires: 	gtk2-devel >= 2.10
BuildRequires: 	libxfce4util-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	libxfcegui4-devel >= 4.4.0
BuildRequires: 	dbus-glib-devel >= 0.34
BuildRequires: 	Thunar-devel >= 0.8

Requires: 	gtk2 >= 2.10
Requires: 	libxfce4util >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	libxfcegui4 >= 4.4.0
Requires: 	dbus-glib >= 0.34
Requires: 	Thunar >= 0.8

%description
Squeeze is a modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop Environment.
Its design adheres to the Xfce philosophy, which basically means Squeeze is designed to be both fast and easy to use. 

%prep
%setup

%build
%configure
%{__make} %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}
%makeinstall
%{__rm} %{buildroot}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache
%find_lang %{name}

%post
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%postun
touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor || :
fi

%clean
%{__rm} -rf %{buildroot}

%files -f %{name}.lang
%defattr(-, root, root, 0755)
%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL NEWS README TODO
%{_bindir}/%{name}
%{_includedir}/libsqueeze-0.2
%{_libdir}/*
%{_libexecdir}/thunar-archive-plugin/%{name}.tap
%{_datadir}/applications/%{name}.desktop
%{_datadir}/icons/*
%{_datadir}/locale/*
%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libsqueeze/*

%changelog
* Sat Apr 10 2008 Heiko Adams <info-2007 at fedora-blog.de> - 0.2.3-1
- Initial package.
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From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 10:18:06 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:06 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
Message-ID: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Farkas Levente wrote:
>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 
>> are   boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>   
> 
> Can you post the panic?
> 
> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.

unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang 
at "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.


-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From me at danieldk.org  Tue May 13 10:48:40 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:48:40 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>
	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>
	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu> <48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>
	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
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On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> >
> > Farkas Levente wrote:
> >
> > > mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Can you post the panic?
> >
> > It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
> >
>
>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.

Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

Take care,
Daniel


From lfarkas at bppiac.hu  Tue May 13 11:58:32 2008
From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:58:32 +0200
Subject: [kvm-devel] [CentOS-devel] KVM-66 packages in testing
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30f19d040804200533t28c4d0d4pbe2cda9bfb618aaa@mail.gmail.com>	<bfa89a870804290910l3a7fd67fkd3e3ab073b3af5f@mail.gmail.com>	<4821C88C.4090500@bppiac.hu>	<bfa89a870805070850j302bd535q109c2efcd8c9aa90@mail.gmail.com>	<4821DAAA.6030004@bppiac.hu>
	<48246D15.1010402@qumranet.com>	<48296ADE.6030500@bppiac.hu>
	<30f19d040805130348o35251c2bqff2705c127a0377f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48298268.9000700@bppiac.hu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Farkas Levente <lfarkas at bppiac.hu> wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>>> Farkas Levente wrote:
>>>
>>>> mandrake 9, 10 and winxp run but neither centos-5.1 i386 nor x86_64 are
>> boot:-( i386 give a kernel panic x86_64 simple hang during boot.
>>>>
>>> Can you post the panic?
>>>
>>> It's probably the 3Dnow! bug which is fixed for kvm-69.
>>>
>>  unfortunately i can't reproduce the kernel crash, now it's usually hang at
>> "starting udev" both centos-5.1 i386 and x86_64.
>>  anyway i build kvm-68 and it's working.
> 
> Thanks for the report, I'll soon be uploading a newer KVM then ;).

at the same time it'd be useful to merge the fedora and centos spec 
files too (in kvm-68 i used a spec file based on fedora's spec).
the two main differences the bootmenu patch, bios, and the separate qemu 
package which is already in testing too.

-- 
   Levente                               "Si vis pacem para bellum!"


From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Tue May 13 21:01:45 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:01:45 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
Message-ID: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>

Hello,
after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
no error messages are shown.
Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2

Can anyone confirm this?
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 06:57:22 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:57:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore with
	OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
Message-ID: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Heiko Adams wrote:
> Hello,
> after installing the openjdk 1.6 packages from centos testing the
> webinterface of my hp jetdirect 300x printserver doesn't work anymore.
> The webpage is loaded but the applets don't start - no java console and
> no error messages are shown.
> Tested with Firefox 3 Beta 5 and Opera 9.5 Beta 2
> 
> Can anyone confirm this?

That's more or less the same for me. Using a Citrix Terminal Server with
web-interface. In the statusbar I get 'Start: applet not initialized.'.

I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(

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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 10:29:38 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:29:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
Message-ID: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Hello,

CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

Any thoughts?

Niels

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From heiko.adams at gmail.com  Wed May 14 11:12:30 2008
From: heiko.adams at gmail.com (Heiko Adams)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:12:30 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] JetDirect Webinterface doesn't work anymore
	with OpenJDK Java 1.6
In-Reply-To: <482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <1210712505.4227.7.camel@Ostfriesland>
	<482A8D52.4030405@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <1210763550.2702.0.camel@Ostfriesland>

Am Mittwoch, den 14.05.2008, 08:57 +0200 schrieb Niels de Vos:
> Heiko Adams wrote:
> I think it has always been like this when using a non-SUN JRE :(
That sounds funny because the OpenJDK 1.6 JRE is the Sun-HRE :-)
-- 
Heiko Adams <heiko.adams at gmail.com>
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 14 15:16:37 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:16:37 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com>
Message-ID: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>

Niels de Vos wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> CentOS-5 comes with thunderbird-1.5 Unfortunately the dictionaries from
> the Thunderbird Add-ons are only for tb-2.0a and newer. Well, at least
> the German dictionaries. It seems that installing a dictionary needs
> only two files in /usr/lib64/thunderbird-1.5.0.12/components/myspell. I
> think this would not be difficult to package in an RPM. Is there any
> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?

not really no.

There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with 
5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then 
take this issue up if it still needs attention

- KB


From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Wed May 14 15:21:51 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:21:51 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Provide thunderbird-1.5 dictionaries in a repo?
In-Reply-To: <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
References: <482ABF12.5000304@wincor-nixdorf.com> <482B0255.4010300@karan.org>
Message-ID: <482B038F.6090908@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Niels de Vos wrote:
>> Is there any
>> interest in providing RPMs with different dictionaries?
> 
> not really no.
> 
> There is prolly going to be a major update in firefox / thunderbird with
> 5.2 which is due out soon. Lets first see if that helps, we can then
> take this issue up if it still needs attention

Okay, I'll wait and see what comes :)

Thanks

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From rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za  Sat May 17 10:25:27 2008
From: rvdmerwe at mhg.co.za (Rabie Van der Merwe)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:25:27 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
Message-ID: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>


Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
are making there way into the mirrors.
I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
files:
lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
-rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml

I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.

Regards
Rabie van der Merwe
Infrastructure Architect

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From johnny at centos.org  Sat May 17 12:09:13 2008
From: johnny at centos.org (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:09:13 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] yum repo fles not being updated.
In-Reply-To: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
References: <36c394c8-23fb-11dd-9595-0004e2e@rocketseed.mhg.co.za>
Message-ID: <482ECAE9.6030308@centos.org>

Rabie Van der Merwe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the best list to drop this into, but it seems as
> if the yum repo's files have not been updated since May 09, other files
> are making there way into the mirrors.
> I tried running an 'yum update' expecting to update to 
> 'xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm' however nothing happened, on doing a
> 'yum list | grep xen' it's also not listed, but if I check the mirror I
> am using the file is there. I then check the timestamp on repodata/
> files:
> lftp ftp.is.co.za:/mirror/centos/5.1/updates/x86_64/repodata> ls
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       1602429 May 09 09:48 filelists.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp       6172007 May 09 09:48 other.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp        282716 May 09 09:48 primary.xml.gz
> -rw-r--r--    1 ftp      ftp           951 May 09 09:48 repomd.xml
> 
> I checked some of the other mirrors around and the same thing.
> 

This is now correct ... should trickle down soon.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 17 13:56:56 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:56:56 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS as a project ?
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910804241203j220814fw84262208d486d34c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4810EFEA.8090102@karan.org> <20080425100044.GT19680@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060207x36573bd8s2ec41cf7bf0fb666@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506092127.GA36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805060235o18287b2cx4b9cb2020fe5f93e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080506093648.GB36631@br-online.de>
	<30f19d040805170640y23b62065vdfe0b781bc8065e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080517135656.GB31684@br-online.de>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> > That was *why* I CCed Gideon, as I didn't want to ask Alain if he wanted
> > to take the lead while your brother "officially" had that before.
> 
> I finally got a hold of him wrt this subject, and he is ok with
> passing on the hat. It suits him more to toss in artwork when he has
> time, but his schedule does not allow him to actively lead this.

Lucky you. So Alain - do you want to take the lead in the Artwork SIG?
We then could do an announcement on centos-devel/user, create a project
on projects.centos.org and maybe create a mailing list for that.

http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Artwork - there already is a
page on the wiki for that. Do you want something added to that before
the announcement (except exchange Gideon and you)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 11:54:10 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:54:10 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
random order) :

- Update the content of the slides (and translate them)

I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
the slides updated. So speak up :-)

- Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

- Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)

When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
changing desktops.

So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 12:23:10 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:23:10 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836B72E.1040901@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)

Considering no one else can, this one is mine.

- KB


From orkcu at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 12:26:08 2008
From: orkcu at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roger_Pe=F1a?=)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <761494.58651.qm@web50611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>




--- On Fri, 5/23/08, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
> To: "The CentOS developers mailing list." <centos-devel at centos.org>
> Received: Friday, May 23, 2008, 7:54 AM
> Hi,
> 
> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release
> of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These
> are (in
> random order) :
> 
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have
> changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we
> would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

there is a list for this kind of things (translations), so just use it :-)
centos-es is ready for that ;-)

cu
roger


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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 12:26:17 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:26:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
> 
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

> So the question then is, do we like to do these and if so who is going
> to do them ? Volunteers speak up :-)

Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
{0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
a few weeks ago.

A grep over my complete file system is running now, to see where this
string is mentioned.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:13:54 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:13:54 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.

I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into 
anaconda this time.

> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
> a few weeks ago.

ok, I can do that now.

- KB


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 13:21:22 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:22 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
Message-ID: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>
> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
> anaconda this time.

I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
can be gotten a hold of ...

>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>> a few weeks ago.
>
> ok, I can do that now.

As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
package. 

If I understand it correctly, then
/usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
ntp servers.

If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
/usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
more than upstream does, as that only contains 

server 0.pool.ntp.org 

lines.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 13:23:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:23:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
Message-ID: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>

ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2

Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog 
and mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the 
packages into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.

this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be 
enough ?

- KB


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:43:02 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:43:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> ok, so I put some dates up at http://wiki.centos.org/KaranbirSingh/5.2
>
> Essentially, 25th is the last date that I am still looking at backlog and
> mod's etc. After that its basically just all builders go, get the packages
> into the -qa target. Once that is done - install media.
>
> this plan gives the -qa guys 6 days to look at stuff. Which should be enough
> ?

My feeling is that 6 days is going to be to short especially when some
of us are going to be at Linuxtag between the 28th and the 31th.

10 days sounds like a more reasonable estimate to me. But it will also
depend on how much issues we find. It can go faster but it can also go
slower.

Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Fri May 23 14:36:15 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:15 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.

I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

- KB


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 14:53:54 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:54 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org> <20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> As last time, I don't really see any content in the slides which needs
>>> to be changed, as we've held those rather generic.
>> I need the final images on the 28th if they are going to make it into  
>> anaconda this time.
> 
> I'm just going through an install and really do not see any need for
> changes. And 28th is a tad, ermm, short, especially with the rate Gideon
> can be gotten a hold of ...
> 
>>> Add {0,1,2}.centos.pool.ntp.org to the network time protocol
>>> configuration and to the standard ntp.conf file - this still reads
>>> {0,1,2}.rhel.pool.ntp.org at the moment, we have our own pool name since
>>> a few weeks ago.
>> ok, I can do that now.
> 
> As far as I can see the only change needed is in ntp.conf from the ntp
> package. 
> 
> If I understand it correctly, then
> /usr/share/system-config-date/dateBackend.py reads /etc/ntp.conf on
> startup and processes "server" lines in there to offer you a choice of
> ntp servers.
> 
> If we really want to make sure, we could also modify
> /usr/share/system-config-date/ntp.template - but that would be doing
> more than upstream does, as that only contains 
> 
> server 0.pool.ntp.org 

My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It 
seems weird to me that it isn't.


-- 

Cheers
John

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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 14:59:33 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:59:33 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>

John Summerfield wrote:
> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
> seems weird to me that it isn't.

Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
ntpd.

Ralph
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From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:17:58 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:17:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>
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	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
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Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:
>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It  
>> seems weird to me that it isn't.
> 
> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
> ntpd.
> 

I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
with a different setting.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell at gmail.com


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:19 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> What we thought about is a CentOS-jobs mailing list to which you can
> send a mail when you want to offer a job in which CentOS plays a role.

As this has slept in a bit and I'm still not too sure if it really is a
good idea (but I'm leaning towards it), I try to rephrase (should,
should not, must, must not as in RFC 2119):

- Jobs must have to do with CentOS
- List must be moderated
- Job offers must not just include links to other sites (meaning: Job
  offers must include full details)
- Foreign language mails are okay, as long as an english explanation is
  also in that mail
- Job offers should include Country and if applicable City in the
  subject
- There will be no discussion on that list
- There will be no Reply-To: for discussions on other lists
- List Reply-To: will be set to sender (so that you can answer directly)

Anything I missed?

Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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From ra+centos at br-online.de  Fri May 23 15:20:54 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:54 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de> <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523152054.GO6029@br-online.de>

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for  
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or  
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override  
> with a different setting.

I wasn't talking about any functionality changes here.

Ralph
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Fri May 23 15:25:13 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:25:13 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805230825x3415436ek9142a916a1b9e895@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
>
...snip...
>
> Anything I missed?

I don't hink so.

> Anyone else thinking that we should give it at least a try?

Yep, just give it a go and see what happens.

> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

I don't think it will be a high volume list but I'm willing to help if
it is to much work.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 23 15:33:14 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:33:14 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de>	<4836C312.4070607@karan.org>	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de>
	<4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. 
>>> It  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>
>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>> ntpd.
>>
> 
> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for 
> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or 
> less like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override 
> with a different setting.
> 
Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a 
goose of myself again.

I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, 
but I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by 
my dhcp server. Even on C4.

I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the 
DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what 
I had in mind.

-- 

Cheers
John

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From me at danieldk.org  Fri May 23 16:40:52 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:40:52 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS mailing list for job offers
In-Reply-To: <20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
References: <20080505152346.GK9139@br-online.de>
	<20080523152019.GN6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805230940l7ca392demdb4b856a9abda4b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt <ra+centos at br-online.de> wrote:
> Anyone wanting to help to moderate that list (I think Daniel said yes)?

Correct.

Take care,
Daniel


From smooge at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:00:02 2008
From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:00:02 -0600
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080523122617.GJ6029@br-online.de> <4836C312.4070607@karan.org>
	<20080523132122.GK6029@br-online.de>
	<4836DA82.5000402@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<20080523145933.GL6029@br-online.de> <4836E026.2000901@gmail.com>
	<4836E3BA.9090003@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <80d7e4090805231000i502c297cwa9203f1344256cd4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM, John Summerfield
<debian at herakles.homelinux.org> wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>>
>>> John Summerfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My dhcp server offers an ntp server; _that_ is the one I want used. It
>>>>  seems weird to me that it isn't.
>>>
>>> Nobody forbids you to use that. We are just changing the *default*
>>> stuff for the time configuration utility and the *default* config for
>>> ntpd.
>>>
>>
>> I think what he means is that if the dhcp server supplies the option for
>> ntp servers, they should be installed and used automatically more or less
>> like dns servers are - unless you have set an option to override with a
>> different setting.
>>
> Exactly. At present, the offering is either ignored ... or I've made a goose
> of myself again.
>

It shouldn't be ignored out of the box.. my system got an updated ntp
but I am not sure if I changed it later. I will have to do a reinstall
to make sure... but it looks like its not ignoring.

> I don't feel like doing a manual install right now to see what goes on, but
> I can't find a RH-ish system that isn't using the value offered by my dhcp
> server. Even on C4.
>

Thats weird. I need to check my boxes again.

> I do think one shouldn't be asked about timezone info by Anaconda if the
> DHCP server provides it, and I'm sure it still does, but that isn't what I
> had in mind.
>

Thats a bit more of a change.. I think it would need to be an upstream
change first.


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"


From amyagi at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:36:20 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:20 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
<tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>
> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
> changing desktops.

Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
image is:

http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug

Akemi


From centos-devel at centos.org  Fri May 23 18:24:41 2008
From: centos-devel at centos.org (VIAGRA ® Official Site)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
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From unfies at gmail.com  Fri May 23 18:30:55 2008
From: unfies at gmail.com (Will Langford)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:55 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
Message-ID: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...

j/k :)

-Will


From dag at centos.org  Sat May 24 08:43:00 2008
From: dag at centos.org (Dag Wieers)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:43:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Tim Verhoeven wrote:

> There are a couple of things mentioned during the release of 5.1 that
> would be nice if they could be integrated into 5.2. These are (in
> random order) :
>
> - Update the content of the slides (and translate them)
>
> I don't remember what exactly people would like to have changed or who
> it was that mentioned it. But anyway, the time is now if we would like
> the slides updated. So speak up :-)

I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
  - Explain where to get documentation
  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
  - ...

Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could 
improve ?


> - Add the updates repo (in the same list as the extra repo)
>
> By default at the Updates repo to the Anaconda installer like it
> currently is for the Extras repo. So people that have a internet
> connection during install can have updated packages already installed.

When doing this on CentOS 5.1 in a kickstart file (repo directive) it 
would fail because of the wrong package order. One of the first things 
that needs to be installed is glibc (because of ldconfig) and coreutils 
but it didn't go first and 100% packages simply failed to install.

I didn't debug this, maybe the updates repo needed some special tweaking ?


-- 
--   dag wieers,  dag at centos.org,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Sat May 24 10:13:08 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:13:08 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
Message-ID: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I did. The slides would be the perfect opportunity to promote some things.

Maybe a tad late now? Especially if we think about translations.

>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>  - Explain where to get documentation
>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>  - ...

There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
things above.

> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
> improve ?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

Ralph
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From mail-lists at karan.org  Sat May 24 10:30:14 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:30:14 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
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	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
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Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>
>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>> changing desktops.
> 
> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
> image is:
> 
> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug


Thanks,

I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From amyagi at gmail.com  Sat May 24 13:19:19 2008
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:19:19 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<bfa89a870805231036l4b804ab2x18dc71913a29a1fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4837EE36.2030509@karan.org>
Message-ID: <bfa89a870805240619v1505fd11s54007051c63951e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tim Verhoeven
>> <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> - Provide a CentOS png to be displayed on the top of the cube (bug #2633)
>>>
>>> When using compiz make sure there is a CentOS logo on the 3D cube when
>>> changing desktops.
>>
>> Just uploaded a centos logo image file that could be used to replace
>> the fedora file (see http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2633 ) .  The
>> image is:
>>
>> http://bugs.centos.org/file_download.php?file_id=487&type=bug
>
> Thanks,
>
> I've just used the logo, and not the 'CentOS' bit, is that ok ?
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq

Surely.  Thanks.

Akemi


From mouss at netoyen.net  Sat May 24 19:30:47 2008
From: mouss at netoyen.net (mouss)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:30:47 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Dear centos-devel@centos.org May 89% 0FF
In-Reply-To: <2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080523092442.32563.qmail@sempron>
	<2b17483b0805231130v3b52e86dhc89385713605381d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48386CE7.5020307@netoyen.net>

Will Langford wrote:
> I didn't know Alan Cox was apart of this mailing list...
>
>   

I didn't know that <centos-devel at centos.org> was a member of this list...

Is there any reason to accept such junk (From: containing 
centos-devel at centos.org. or even *@centos.org if the submitter isn't in 
this domain)?


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From hoschi at mouhaha.de  Sun May 25 22:44:04 2008
From: hoschi at mouhaha.de (Oliver Peter)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:44:04 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
Message-ID: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>

Hi,

I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.

If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
not hesitate to contact me.

Bye

O.

-- 
Oliver PETER, email: hoschi at mouhaha.de, ICQ# 113969174
"Worker bees can leave.  Even drones can fly away.
                         The Queen is their slave."
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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 06:46:40 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:46:40 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>   
>>  - Explain what CentOS is and how we relate to upstream
>>  - Explain all the additional stuff the CentOS project is doing
>>  - Explain that we have SIGs and how they can join them
>>  - Explain where to get documentation
>>  - Explain how people can help CentOS (contribute, pay C, buy RH)
>>  - Explain what Enterprise Linux means and show the release cycle
>>  - ...
>>     
>
> There's not really that much space on the slides to do some of the
> things above.
>   

The are currently 9 images in the anaconda rnotes directory for each
language, 01 -- 09.
Can we have e.g. 10-centos-release-cycle, 11-centos-extra etc. or something?

Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Ruomu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 08:41:40 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:41:40 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?

Exactly.

Ralph
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From niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com  Mon May 26 09:18:36 2008
From: niels.devos at wincor-nixdorf.com (Niels de Vos)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:18:36 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A806C.508@wincor-nixdorf.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Dag Wieers wrote:
>> Can we have a look at the current CentOS slides and see what we could  
>> improve ?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Release/CentOS5.0AnacondaSlides

I don't have any editing rights there, don't need them either if this
mail is read ;)

My advice for the 05-centos5-centosplus.png would be to change the URL
to <http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories>. The wiki is very helpful and
this link is much easier to remember. On the wiki-page CentOSPlus is the
first repository mentioned, so this even fits to the contents of the slide.

Cheers,
Niels

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From huruomu at gmail.com  Mon May 26 09:34:35 2008
From: huruomu at gmail.com (Ruomu Hu)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:34:35 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de>
	<483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com> <20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de>
Message-ID: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ruomu Hu wrote:
>   
>> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
>> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
>>     

I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Romu


From ra+centos at br-online.de  Mon May 26 09:59:38 2008
From: ra+centos at br-online.de (Ralph Angenendt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:59:38 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2 todo list
In-Reply-To: <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
References: <2a7fce340805230454n1ffc516bra8361f4380ace9a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0805241036110.27348@horsea.3ti.be>
	<20080524101308.GB28957@br-online.de> <483A5CD0.7090700@gmail.com>
	<20080526084140.GW6029@br-online.de> <483A842B.6070300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526095938.GY6029@br-online.de>

Ruomu Hu wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Ruomu Hu wrote:
> >   
> >> Another question, why is there not a zh_CN or zh_TW directory in the
> >> centos rnotes? Nobody did this before?
> >>     
> 
> I am willing to do this. I'm a native Chinese speaker. BTW, I believe
> there're pretty much CentOS users in China.

Good.

Please wait for a call for translation for the Release Notes of CentOS
5.2 (which should go out today to this list).

There is no real chance to do new slides for 5.2, but I put that on my
ToDo list for 5.3. But: It would be great if you could translate our
Release Notes which live on http://wiki.centos.org/ (more details
follow).

What you can do now is register yourself a wiki account there
(FirstnameLastname, please) and tell me when you did so.

Cheers,

Ralph
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:39:00 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:39:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Volunteering for CentOS
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

   I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
  and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could help
with. I could help with testing and recompiling
  the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work you
need help with thats within my abilities, I
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 22:44:46 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:44:46 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>

Hello
>
>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me


Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
to help you

Best wishes,
                  Jordan

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From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:30:01 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:00:01 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155494980805270130q23098ca3s3b46c79871029dd9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
        I am glad to join with you CentOS devs and testers. I am ready to
spend my hours for centos testing. I am sure i may help you a little. I will
be glad to hlep you like Jordan Evans. :)

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best to help you
>
> Best wishes,
>                   Jordan
>
>
> --
> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
Regards,
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:32:19 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:32:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
>> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
>>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
>> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
>>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
>> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
>> --
>> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
>
> Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my best
> to help you

Hi Jordan,

Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
(http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
projects) and a ToDo section.

I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
what you think.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Tue May 27 09:02:04 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:02:04 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS 5.2
In-Reply-To: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
References: <20080525234404.65e269ba@dogbert.geonosis.homeunix.org>
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On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Oliver Peter <hoschi at mouhaha.de> wrote:
>
> I read Tim's post on planet.centos.org regarding the upcoming 5.2
> release.  I know how to compile 'things' and speak German and English.
>
> If you think my help could be useful in the release process please do
> not hesitate to contact me.

Hi Oliver,

Thank you for your interest in helping. We are a bit to far in the QA
process at the moment to include you at the moment. But keep an eye
this mailinglist for future announcements and requests for testers. If
you like you can check out the CentOS wiki (http://wiki.centos.org)
and have a look at the different projects and the ToDo list. Maybe you
can find some you are interested in there and can help out that way.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Tue May 27 22:58:11 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:58:11 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805270132j7f53d7e6i60f316449cd4c404@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Tim Verhoeven <tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>    I recently saw a blog that gave me the idea to volunteer for CentOS
> >> http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2008/05/centos-52.html
> >>   and I was wondering if the CentOS community had any work that I could
> >> help with. I could help with testing and recompiling
> >>   the packages, but I'm open to any suggestions and if you have any work
> >> you need help with thats within my abilities, I
> >> --
> >> Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
> >
> > Sorry, I pressed send too soon, I meant to say I will be glad to try my
> best
> > to help you
>
> Hi Jordan,
>
> Thanks for volunteering. As a first step I would say that you keep
> following this list so you get a idea what is happing inside the
> CentOS project. Secondly have a look at the CentOS wiki
> (http://wiki.centos.org). It contains a list of project (or possible
> projects) and a ToDo section.
>
> I don't know your interests but have a look around and let us know
> what you think.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83
>
> Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
> "microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
> (Linus Torvalds)
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi Tim,

    I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
on it.

                                               Best wishes,
                                                                Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 07:58:17 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:58:17 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;). It seems there is not much information on it though. Another project
> that interested me was Cranberry but there is also very little information
> on it.
>

Very nice that you find some projects you like. Normally the people
responsable for those projects will respond to your mail. If not mail
again to centos-devel and say explicitly that you would like to help
on a certain project. Also, some people are busy so it may take a
couple of days for them to respond.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 08:55:31 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:55:31 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
Message-ID: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>

Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
 a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
to organise it on a ongoing basis.

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From karthixinbox at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:09:13 2008
From: karthixinbox at gmail.com (KarthiKeyan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:13 +0530
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Karan,
                  I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
wrote:

> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>
> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>
> --
> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>



-- 
Regards,
Karthi Keyan
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From aim.prabhat at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:50:34 2008
From: aim.prabhat at gmail.com (prabhat kumar)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 04:50:34 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<155494980805280309v35ba6662gc960612e227ad3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebca8da00805280450j6c45f01bv77ea43821e4558e3@mail.gmail.com>

I also want to contribute something, since I am using CentOS from past 2
year.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:09 AM, KarthiKeyan <karthixinbox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Karan,
>                   I am interested in testing. Just let me know the basic
> procedures/considerations and etc. I am sure i can help.
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
>> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
>> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
>> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
>> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.
>>
>> Does anyone want to take this up ? I can hammer together some ideas into
>>  a wiki page, but dont have the time to really follow the process up or
>> to organise it on a ongoing basis.
>>
>> --
>> Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq
>> _______________________________________________
>> CentOS-devel mailing list
>> CentOS-devel at centos.org
>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Karthi Keyan
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
>


-- 
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From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 14:11:19 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:11:19 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <ebc8720a0805271558q2cded3d8of1a9d775cb08be44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jordan,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my python
> ;).

I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
head, the most urgent things:

- Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
- Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
which is slow ;).
- Add RSS feeds.
- Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
latest).

The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
get peer-review).

Take care,
Daniel


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:04:23 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:04:23 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:
> Since there are quite a few people offering to help test apps /packages
> in CentOS - I am wondering if now is a good time to organise the
> CentOS-Testing repository and process a bit more. There are a *lot* of
> things that need looking at and pushing into the production repo's
> however a lack of testing feedback means they dont.

Hi,

I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
current pacakges in the testing repo.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Wed May 28 15:42:17 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:42:17 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.

The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.

I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.

Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
Fail would be good.

> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
> current pacakges in the testing repo.

I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

- KB


From woboyle at ieee.org  Wed May 28 16:26:52 2008
From: woboyle at ieee.org (William Boyle)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
Message-ID: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>

I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

William Boyle
Application Frameworks and Systems, Inc.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 17:17:54 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:54 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Re: Volunteering for CentOS
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805280711r32ef1803j76f750c09ee67862@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ebc8720a0805261539x450c7380rd2a633004e316aed@mail.gmail.com>
	<ebc8720a0805261544h77300e53tf4c7f3ccce84be77@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281017r997b192s69e7ec208dc292c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel de Kok <me at danieldk.org> wrote:

> Hi Jordan,
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Jordan Evans <jordanevans19 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >     I took a look at the various projects and the ToDo list, the project
> > that interested me Pandora, although I would have to brush up on my
> python
> > ;).
>
> I could use help there, since I am pretty much stuck in the
> thesis/work realm ;). To get started, you'd need some experience with
> Python and the Django web framework (which is fairly easy to learn).
> There are still many things that need to be done. From the top of my
> head, the most urgent things:
>
> - Get up a demo of the current development snapshot.
> - Store all Changelog entries for one changelog together in one
> record. Now there is a separate table with all the individual entries,
> which is slow ;).
> - Add RSS feeds.
> - Use a different non-python metadata parser. Maybe the yum C metadata
> parser can be used or reused (IIRC it can't be used as-is, because
> we're interested in all package versions for Pandora, not just the
> latest).
>
> The first three should all be relatively easy to do. If you'd like to
> work on one or more of these items, let us know. diffs against the
> tree are welcome on this list (so that they don't get lost, and can
> get peer-review).
>
> Take care,
> Daniel
>  _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi

After I brush up on my python and learn the Django web framework, I would
like to try to get a demo working and get the changelog thing sorted out,
but that won't be for a couple days.

       Cheers
                 Jordan
-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:00:36 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:00:36 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>

Developers,

Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz

Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png

Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
Could someone help on that ?

Thanks,
al.


From jordanevans19 at gmail.com  Wed May 28 18:13:48 2008
From: jordanevans19 at gmail.com (Jordan Evans)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:43:48 +0430
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebc8720a0805281113h493cc11dlabf39b7658f99e1a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado <
alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:

> Developers,
>
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think
> ?
>
> LoginScreen:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
>
> Wallpaper:
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
>
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
>
> Thanks,
> al.
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>

Hi,

    The wallpaper looks really nice, it looks pretty modern and it doesn't
distract
    away from anything

Good job,

              Jordan

-- 
Ubuntu, an African word meaning Slackware is too hard for me
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From hrbac.conf at seznam.cz  Wed May 28 18:56:15 2008
From: hrbac.conf at seznam.cz (=?UTF-8?B?RGF2aWQgSHJiw6HEjQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:56:15 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>

Alain Reguera Delgado napsal(a):
> Developers,
> 
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> LoginScreen: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/LoginScreen?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-CentOS-loginscreen-1.tar.gz
> 
> Wallpaper: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-5-1600x1200.png
> 
> Note: In the LoginScreen we need to update its screenshot.png file.
> Could someone help on that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> al.

Alain,
it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version. Anyway, the wall 
paper looks pretty fine.
Regards,
David Hrb??


From alain.reguera at gmail.com  Wed May 28 19:22:34 2008
From: alain.reguera at gmail.com (Alain Reguera Delgado)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:34 -0400
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:
...
> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.

Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.

What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Thanks,
al.

From me at danieldk.org  Wed May 28 19:47:11 2008
From: me at danieldk.org (Daniel de Kok)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:11 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alain,

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
<alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?

Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
of an order) is a bit distracting.

Take care,
Daniel


From lystor at lystor.org.ua  Wed May 28 21:47:19 2008
From: lystor at lystor.org.ua (Nikolay Ulyanitsky)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:47:19 +0300
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212011239.4856.0.camel@lystor.users.home.lystor.org.ua>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:22 -0400, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

Width / height = 16 / 10


-- 
Nikolay Ulyanitsky <lystor at lystor.org.ua>



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:22:29 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:29 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<483DAACF.1090601@seznam.cz>
	<4c7a4b910805281222r75e178d8me665ba9663913965@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDB25.7020108@uoregon.edu>


Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> On 5/28/08, David Hrb?? <hrbac.conf at seznam.cz> wrote:.
>> it would be fine if we have also native 16:10 version.
> 
> Take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers there are
> various dimensions for the wallpaper, also the svg file is there.
> 
> What do you mean with native 16:10 version ?

I think he means for widescreen displays, which are getting more and more 
popular. Common resolutions are 1280x800, 1440x900, 1920x1200. You can 
probably google for a better list, but those are the big three I think.

-Brandon


From brandond at uoregon.edu  Wed May 28 22:25:00 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:25:00 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>

Daniel de Kok wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> 
> Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> of an order) is a bit distracting.

Someone's a little OCD :)

I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?

http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png

-Brandon


From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Thu May 29 00:15:15 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:15:15 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483DF593.2080303@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would 
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we 
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.
> 
> I think what we need to do is setup some form of expectations and layout 
> details on what functionality needs tested, how and where. And the 
> responsibility for laying those down should be on the person requesting 
> or pushing the packages. In the current scenario where we just ask 
> people to go test something, they dont have any clear idea as to what 
> they are looking for, and there is no way that would sync with the 
> expectations of the packager / pusher / requestor.
> 
> Perhaps what we need is a page on the wiki that gives the name and 
> details of the package, who is responsible for it now, and how is going 
> to maintain it going further, and a list of issues / tests that need to 
> be done on those packages. People can then tick the box's indicating 
> they have tested those bits, along with some feedback if they have any. 
> Just having a list of things to look againt and a box to tick Pass / 
> Fail would be good.
> 
>> I've also made a list in that proposal about what to do with the
>> current pacakges in the testing repo.
> 
> I dont agree with the 'Action to take' for a large number of packages 
> there. eg. why should cft and facter be deleted ? and smolt is a part of 
> the cobbler + func + smolt admin stack, and should stay together.

If those packages are travelling together, then they should stay 
together. However, if new cft appears without its companions, and gets 
no testing, it's hard to justify its promotion.

And this is just testing, deleting it here doesn't mean it vanishes from 
the target repo.
> 
> The biggest issue, as far as I can see it, is communitcation itself.

Always, it's communication.

I think email should _always_ go out, even if the builder doesn't intend 
it to be promoted. If there's a point to putting it into the repo, it's 
to share it, and if you want people to use it you have to tell them.

The email must contain a summary of what's changed, and a summary of 
what the package does. If I don't use it now, tell me why I might want to!

A lot of package descriptions are next to incomprehensible. Take this, 
from F9:
FAAD 2 is a LC, MAIN and LTP profile, MPEG2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder, 
completely
written from scratch.

This package contains libfaad.


Better, something like "FAAD 2" decodes various (generic description of 
just what MAIN, LTP etc are), including (name them) and is used for/by ....

If they're used by Amorok and I know I use that, then I know maybe I 
should be interested in this.

The email might link to a wiki, but don't expect users to use the wiki 
to decide whether it's something they should test.

I presume that these announcements would amount to quite a bit of email, 
maybe enough to seriously change the nature of this list should they 
come here.

You might consider a new list, maybe "updates-announcements" where these 
announcements go, and that responses be directed to this list. This list 
might help where/if there are different packagers on different 
platforms: Joe builds on IA32, Fred sees he needs to build on zSeries 
and Freda on Power.

Seed it with members of this list, it's little different from just 
sending mail here, and gives users of this list the ability to opt out. 
This would ensure there's a decent number of eyeballs seeing its 
contents from day one.

The list description for the new list would recommend also subscribing 
to this list, but I don't think everyone will want to.

The description of this list should be updated to recommend new 
subscribers also subscribe to updates-announcements so as to keep 
abreast of threatened changes. Again, not everyone will want to.

If there's a formal test procedure for a particular package, then this 
should be described in its wiki document. I imagine some packages - gcc, 
postgresql for example - might have established test cases to run, and 
others might be added as new bugs are reported and resolved.




-- 

Cheers
John

-- spambait
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-- Advice
http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

You cannot reply off-list:-)


From subsolar at subsolar.com  Thu May 29 00:23:04 2008
From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>
	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>
	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
Message-ID: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:25 -0700, Brandon Davidson wrote:
> Daniel de Kok wrote:
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado
> > <alain.reguera at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Could you check the following LoginScreen and Wallpaper ? What do you think ?
> > 
> > Very nice work! In both wallpapers, the amount of squares (or the lack
> > of an order) is a bit distracting.
> 
> Someone's a little OCD :)
> 
> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> -Brandon

Like that one much more personally.

Paul



From brandond at uoregon.edu  Thu May 29 00:32:25 2008
From: brandond at uoregon.edu (Brandon Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] modern-CentOS's LoginScreen and Wallpaper
In-Reply-To: <1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
References: <4c7a4b910805281100j3034096cn83f25193e557db29@mail.gmail.com>	<30f19d040805281247v52b8bc7aub2af02afc40d5c15@mail.gmail.com>	<483DDBBC.5010201@uoregon.edu>
	<1212020584.3839.0.camel@chilly>
Message-ID: <483DF999.1060504@uoregon.edu>

Paul wrote:
>> I kinda like the randomness of the sizing and placement; it's rather abstract. 
>> Do the ones with the streams and lines appeal to you any more?
>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork/Wallpapers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=modern-centos-wallpaper-2-800x600.png
> 
> Like that one much more personally.


I too favor the 'streams and lines' ones (either horizontal or vertical) over 
the others. They remind me of a stream of bubbles in water... odd, box-shaped 
bubbles :) The one with the tiled logo is particularly busy and would, I 
think, get on my nerves.

-Brandon


From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Thu May 29 07:42:34 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:42:34 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] Help with 5.2
In-Reply-To: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <518bce600805280926w794bd06cwed418d3e63d7b9c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805290042p2434dae2sfcd3aac63cb60c88@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM, William Boyle <woboyle at ieee.org> wrote:
> I am currently using CentOS 5.1 on my dual quad-core E5450 workstation
> and am willing to test 5.2 on this system. I even have a swappable
> boot/system drive that I can put it on so I can revert to 5.1 as
> necessary simply by swapping out the drive.

Hi William,

We currently have enough testers for the 5.2 release. But I'll keep
your name in the back of my head if we need more help. We appriciate
that you are willing to volunteer. If you would like it, there are
some other things for which we could use more people. So if you are
interrested in let us know.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Verhoeven - tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com - 0479 / 88 11 83

Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)


From mail-lists at karan.org  Thu May 29 09:19:49 2008
From: mail-lists at karan.org (Karanbir Singh)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:19:49 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] New QA / Testing potential
In-Reply-To: <483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
References: <483D1E03.1090200@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805280804r280def40yc9115aa9a79e6266@mail.gmail.com>
	<483D7D59.1090500@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483E7535.2080008@karan.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> I actually promised to do this a while ago. So having time now here at
>> LinuxTag I did finaly write up what I had in mind. The proposal is
>> here "http://wiki.centos.org/QaWiki/TestingRepo". It is probably only
>> accessable for people in the QA team or people having admin rights.
>> But I think for the discussion about the proposal itself this should
>> be ok. If not let me know and I move it.
> 
> The proposal looks good, but apart from the 3 week cutoff ( which would
> lead to the death of the testing repo ), its about the same as what we
> have in place right now. And we all know that the process isnt working.


I tried to implement some of the stuff I wrote in my previous email -
implement on the wiki that is, and its too much work getting all the
stuff together. And its 'too much' enough, to make it something that
most people wont bother with, it raises the barrier too far.

Perhaps a php or python+django or Rails hosted app that can manage this
for us would be good. Anyone fancy a shot ?

I can work with Tim and get some sort of a specification up...

-- 
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219 at icq


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Thu May 29 19:49:56 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:49:56 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
Message-ID: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello all..

I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/

But where can I find the source?

Thanks...Paul...




From jeff at osuosl.org  Fri May 30 00:08:04 2008
From: jeff at osuosl.org (Jeff Sheltren)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:08:04 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>

On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:

> Hello all..
>
> I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
>
> But where can I find the source?
>
> Thanks...Paul...

I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec

Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...

-Jeff


From paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com  Fri May 30 03:11:58 2008
From: paul.schroeder at bluecoat.com (Paul B Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:11:58 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] buildsys-build SRPM/spec file
In-Reply-To: <FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
References: <1212090596.3635.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<FA4DE9B5-67C7-4DDB-9392-DAE5F8E92E62@osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <1212117118.3635.44.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks..  I was already building using the version from dev.centos.org
(buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm), so I didn't want to
deviate too much.

At any rate, I've discovered that the latest buildsys-build spec
"template" is available in the git repo for mock.  Strange that I don't
see it in the latest mock .tar.gz release though.

I queried the CentOS version (rpm -qp --requires
buildsys-build-0.5-6.el5.centos.7.noarch.rpm 2>/dev/null | sort) and
discovered the diff between it and the latest from git:  CentOS requires
'python' where the latest version from the mock git repo does not.  The
git version requires 'buildsys-macros' where the CentOS version does
not.

Looking at /etc/mock/epel-5-i386.cfg on my Fedora 9 install, I found
that 'buildsys-macros' RPM and SRPM could be found here:
http://buildsys.fedoraproject.org/buildgroups/rhel5/i386/

Now I know what I'm dealing with, but this would have been a whole lot
easier to figure out if the CentOS SRPM had been available..  :(

Cheers...Paul...

-------

P.S....

Browse the mock git repo here to find buildsys-build.spec.template:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser

Browse previous .spec versions (before buildsys-build.spec was renamed
to buildsys-build.spec.template):
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/log/buildsys-build.spec?rev=1c14b3c9b6fcbad867afbb7cc09ec5d91cf9e642

Looks like this version (0.5-4) is closest to the centos rpm version
wise:
https://fedorahosted.org/mock/browser/buildsys-build.spec?rev=04580c1234b74957e25d490993e74095ae218d5d



On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:08 -0700, Jeff Sheltren wrote:
> Sender: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> Errors-To: centos-devel-bounces at centos.org
> X-Spam: exempt
> X-MAIL-FROM: <centos-devel-bounces at centos.org>
> X-SOURCE-IP: [72.21.40.12]
> 
> On May 29, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Paul B Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > Hello all..
> >
> > I see the RPM for buildsys-build here:
> > http://dev.centos.org/centos/buildsys/5/
> >
> > But where can I find the source?
> >
> > Thanks...Paul...
> 
> I had a semi-new spec for that sitting around, so I put it up here:
> http://sheltren.com/downloads/buildsys-build.spec
> 
> Not sure how different that is than what CentOS is using...
> 
> -Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> CentOS-devel mailing list
> CentOS-devel at centos.org
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel


From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:12:45 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:45 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-52.EL
Message-ID: <483F7EBD.20509@ict.swin.edu.au>

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be 
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be 
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









From jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au  Fri May 30 04:41:53 2008
From: jnewbigin at ict.swin.edu.au (John Newbigin)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:41:53 +1000
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <483F8591.8030606@ict.swin.edu.au>

(I am sending this message again with the correct subject).

New GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are ready.
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i386/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
http://bender.it.swin.edu.au/centos-3/csgfs/i686/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm


These packages are signed with my jnewbigin-csgfs at ict.swin.edu.au key.
They need to be resigned with the CentOS-3 key and published to the
csgfs repo.

If you could let me know once you have download the packages it would be
good.  These are hosted by a virtual machine which may not always be
turned on.  I'll make sure it stays on until you have got a copy.

Thanks

John.

-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin









-- 
John Newbigin
ITS Senior Analyst / Programmer
Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin


From tru at centos.org  Fri May 30 10:20:02 2008
From: tru at centos.org (Tru Huynh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:20:02 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] GFS Update for CentOS 3 kernel 2.4.21-57.EL
Message-ID: <20080530102002.GC13736@sillage.bis.pasteur.fr>

Thanks to John Newbigin the new GFS packages for the 2.4.21-57.EL kernel are
now available.

http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2008-0259.html

i386:
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i386.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-devel-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-hugemem-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm
csgfs/i386/RPMS/GFS-modules-smp-6.0.2.36-8.i686.rpm

Best regards,

Tru
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http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBEFA581B
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From debian at herakles.homelinux.org  Fri May 30 11:53:46 2008
From: debian at herakles.homelinux.org (John Summerfield)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:53:46 +0800
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
Message-ID: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
> 
> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.

Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.



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From ned at unixmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 12:31:48 2008
From: ned at unixmail.co.uk (Ned Slider)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:31:48 +0100
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <483FF3B4.9070004@unixmail.co.uk>

John Summerfield wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 
> 
> 

You could check the developers blogs at:

http://planet.centos.org/

Specifically Tim's posting from May 23, 2008.



From csieh at fnal.gov  Fri May 30 16:15:37 2008
From: csieh at fnal.gov (Connie Sieh)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org> <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>

On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:

> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>> 
>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>

There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/

There should be x86_64 version available at

ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64

soon.

-Connie Sieh
>
>
>


From rayvd at bludgeon.org  Fri May 30 16:30:47 2008
From: rayvd at bludgeon.org (Ray Van Dolson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:30:47 -0700
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>
	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301114190.3514@snappy2.fnal.gov>
Message-ID: <20080530163046.GA16730@bludgeon.org>

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:15:37AM -0500, Connie Sieh wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008, John Summerfield wrote:
>
>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>> Tim Verhoeven wrote:
>>>> Anyway, when can we expect the first packages to be build ? I'm
>>>> planning on setting up 2 VM's (one for i386, one for x86_64) to give
>>>> all build packages a first test, and when all packages are ready let
>>>> the rest of the QA'ers loose on them.
>>>
>>> I'll start pushing built packages around 1am UTC Sat 24th.
>>
>> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
>> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for graphics. 
>> I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
>>
>
> There is a a ALPHA of SL 5.2 for i386 available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/i386/
>
> There should be x86_64 version available at
>
> ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/5rolling/x86_64
>
> soon.
>
> -Connie Sieh

To the parent poster.. if you're just wanting to test for better
graphics support, why not use an eval copy of RHEL 5.2 vs an Alpha of
SL?

(If you're needing to test *now* vs in a week or two)

Ray


From lesmikesell at gmail.com  Fri May 30 18:10:02 2008
From: lesmikesell at gmail.com (Les Mikesell)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:10:02 -0500
Subject: [CentOS-devel] 5.2 Dates
In-Reply-To: <483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
References: <4836C543.2030702@karan.org>	<2a7fce340805230643l5c2346b8w72d269268cc36b56@mail.gmail.com>	<4836D65F.8080004@karan.org>
	<483FEACA.9090206@herakles.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <484042FA.6030403@gmail.com>

John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> Where might the anxious find these? I have an sl5 (another RHEL5 clone) 
> system that's next to useless as there's no adequate support for 
> graphics. I'd like to try 5.2 before I try it as a boat anchor.
> 

Can you be more specific as to what you consider "adequate support for 
graphics"?

-- 
   Les Mikesell
     lesmikesell at gmail.com



From tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com  Sat May 31 14:39:21 2008
From: tim.verhoeven.be at gmail.com (Tim Verhoeven)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:39:21 +0200
Subject: [CentOS-devel] CentOS Forums again
Message-ID: <2a7fce340805310739n79ea479y760eecf6159929bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Having some time to do stuff for CentOS here at LinuxTag I've also
being building FreeIPA packages for CentOS. The idea that this will be
core part of a central authentication system. Meaning that you will
only need 1 account that you can use to login into the website, forum,
wiki, bugtracker, systems, ...

IMHO the most important system that needs to be attached to the
central auth database are the forums. There are a lot of users there
(and a lot of content). So I was thinking, why not fix 2 things at the
same time. Migrate from the old forum to the new forum that is linked
to the central auth system. And then later on couple the other
existing apps to it.

My feeling is that the most productive way to get forward with the
website/forum update is to split the forum from the website. In my
experience the forum present in CMS tools aren't made for the amount
of traffic we are having. So something dedicated sound like a better
option. So I have been looking around for open source forum software
that link to ldap without to much effort. I've looked at 3 projects
(Phorum, phpBB and SMF). They all 3 are good looking, well featured
and maintained. Though, only phpBB has a decent built-in LDAP
integration (FreeIPA is built on top of LDAP).

So my proposal is to setup a FreeIPA instance, link it with phpBB and
try to migrate a part of the current forums and see how all that
works. And if it looks good migrate to that.

So what do people think, did I miss stuff, other suggestions, ...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
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Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)