[CentOS-devel] Reality V/s Fantasy
dmc.centos at filteredperception.org
Fri Nov 26 13:49:46 EST 2010
On 11/26/2010 12:21 PM, Stefan Held wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 26.11.2010, 11:41 +0000 schrieb Karanbir Singh:
>> I am not sure where that came from - there is some level of fantasy that
>> some of you guys seem to live with. Lets take for example the request
>> for help with branding and trademark searches in the el6 source base.
> Karanbir, as this is a fairly new Process, not documented anywhere, how
> would you expect the masses to help you out?
+1, and to the rest of Stefan's reply.
Specifically, as an observer who has the interest, skillset, and time to
help, I considered this thread and the best answer I can come up with
for why I haven't been more motivated to try and help is-
A lack of a progress-bar. Or number. Or list in a wiki. If I thought
I could 'go do something', and that work would translate in some
progress-meter jumping from 2345/5000 to 2346/5000, I think I'd be much
more likely to do it.
Another variant of that which would make the sense of contribution and
accomplishment be more visceral, might be a publicly visible repository
of just .el6.srpm's filling up, that theoretically I could build in the
process that has been documented on this list, but not so much AFAICS on
a centos6 wiki page (see Stefan's comments below about the still very
thin centos6 documentation via wiki).
Another element (and I could have missed something - if so the issue is
then prominence or obviousness -), is a lack of tangible examples for
the format that such work would be required to be in. Yes, I can see
the filing of bugs, but filing of bugs doesn't give the sense of
satisfaction of the 2345->2346/5000 tick, or a new file appearing in a
directory, the end of the road of that population or progress-meter
being a new milestone of completeness of centos6.
Now sure, I could just accept as my motivation, reward, and process
letting some guru flag-holder, hold my hand, tell me what to do, and
then pat me on the back. But that level of reward, especially with the
STFU attitude I'm seeing from the flag-holder, does not induce me to
Give us a progressbar, and publically visible examples, and maybe
(seriously, maybe, I could be wrong), you might see more community
I.e, I've wondered, and even looked but can't find, exactly what the
format of the work is. I.e. a standard patch to specfile and file-level
diff of SOURCES I would presume?
I hope that explanation of why I personally haven't helped more is of
help. And I admit it may still all be some rationalization where KS's
vision of reality is still valid, and I may not have really done any
work even if all those concerns were taken care of. Dunno...
>> the intention was to not do
>> that, and to bring in a larger user base who can help cover issues that
>> don't need specific centos resources. Also, the QA effort tends to be
>> exceptionally manic, with things changing on an hourly basis, and some
>> of us pushing for testing, results quite aggressively.
> Even if i look at the site you sugested to us, clearly, it states:
> webapp for people to suggest patches and branding changes : http://url
> ( coming soon : this will visible and usable by anyone, not just the
> QaTeam )
> So this webapp is now bugs.centos.org? Fine, then please state it there.
> Else maybe some of us where waiting for that webapp to come to glory.
>> The original email asking for help on this was posted on the 12th Nov.
>> Its the 26th now. Check https://bugs.centos.org/ to see what level of
>> participation has been forthcoming.
> See above.
>> And if people don't want to help with that joining-the-dots effort,
>> they are never going to be a part of the process.
> Maybe the people are willing to help but do not know how?
> How they get the RHEL Beta, where to look in the rpms?
> What must be reported?
>> Slightly frustrating ? Absolutely.
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