[CentOS-devel] HyperV Linux Integration Services added to Centos?Plus?
Peter J. Pouliot
peter at pouliot.net
Tue Aug 23 10:02:02 EDT 2011
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:59:56AM -0500, Jim Perrin wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Peter J. Pouliot <peter at pouliot.net>
> That's older packaging work we did for RHEL5. �Newer packages are being
> tested for RHEL6. �Currently there are MSFT contractors maintaining that
> specific channel in the SUSE OBS.
> The RHEL 6 Packages were built one of my other SUSE collegues and have
> not yet been integrated into that channel by the MSFT folks.
> Okay, so similar kit, just updated/newer versions. Fair enough.�
> We can have additional discussion around LIS packaging as I am currently
> in process to bring control of this into the community instead, with an
> end goal of providing automated nightly builds/packaging for most
> Automated/nightly build should in my opinion be a separate
> channel/repository all by itself. I would much prefer to see a 'stable
> known reliable' package set and a separate nightly build set.
Just to be clear, this is a high level of discussion. Your points are extremely valid, yet specific details, we can work out what should be offered as resources to enhance the development/adoption efforts.
> > � �Can these drivers be loaded (or be made to load) via the driver
> > � �option to the installer?
> This could be a viable option, however integration into install media
> which utilizes the plus repo might be cleaner user experience not
> requiring additional user interaction or install time parameters.
> I understand this desire, but it runs somewhat counter to the mandate that
> CentOS strives to follow, of being 100% binary compatible with upstream.
> Basically anything that changes the installer away from a default should
> be done with extreme consideration, and while what you are pitching is
> good, I don't see/hear enough drive from the user community to warrant a
> change from the standard. The hyper-v usage (identified via googling
> hyper-v on lists.centos.org) seems relatively low, so if I'm mistaken,
> please correct me.
Currently HyperV market share is on the rise, simple due to the fact that it is a cheaper alternative to VMware.
Currently it is estimated that it will reach 30% of overall hypervisor market by the end of the year.
One large segment of virtualization usage is currently rhel/epl on vmware. I specifically know of extremely large deployments (thousands of epl vms) currently evaluating HyperV and considering a hypervisor switch due to cost.
> > � �What license are these drivers covered under?
> GPL v2.
> The drivers are currently in staging on the mainline kernel. � My goal,
> note I am not speaking for the company of I work for (SUSE), or the
> company who pays for the room I sit in (MSFT), is to help get the work
> our team has done for the last five years integrated into all linux
> So long as they are GPLv2, and your company/code copyright holder is
> willing to provide something showing there's no danger of lawsuit/DMCA
> infringement for distribution I see no issues with providing them.
I'll look into this.
> As you know politics can have a nasty way of working into everything. �
> This is my attempt at approaching this without any of the corporate
> politics involved. �I reach out as an individual looking to better the
> experience of linux on hyperv regardless of distro.
> Eh, my theory is that political arguing is for people who don't have work
> to do. I tend to lose interest during those sorts of discussions, because
> it's usually the end user who gets hurt.�
> So here's what I have to offer to assist in the process. � I run a
> complete datacenter (100+ servers, san, blades, etc), which I have FULL
> control of, outside of either corporate network. �I am willing to both
> provide and host resources for the community to make this occur. �In
> addition, we have recently built an openstack infrastructure upon hyperv
> which we are using as the basis for large scale testing of the LIS, I
> would like to include centos as part of this. �Also, I would like to
> possibily tie into any of the community processes for testing/validation
> to provide coverage to enable centos to run as a viable guest on hyperv.
> I know there has been heavy politics between MS and RH around this, and
> I know that politically RH is not likely to ever include the LIS. �
> That's why I'm asking for addition to centos-plus and the install media.
> If it successfully goes into the mainline kernel, and there's a market for
> it I don't see why they wouldn't include it. The only reason I could think
> for them to deny it would be that it conflicts/competes with their own
> virtualization suite with KVM and RHEV.
> I am not comfortable with the idea of adding it to the install media
> directly, but I'm not the one who produces that so I'll let others weigh
> in. I could see supplying it as a driver disk image, via the centosplus
> repo, or possibly a separate installer image similar to the server iso we
> used to ship. I'd like to hear some opinions from others on this.
I'm open to this idea as well. If it's a way for centos users to running on hyperv to install enlightened natively, i'm all for it.
> I do not want to cause political unrest or for this to be taken out of
> context. �Once again, my goal is to help provide a better experience for
> linux users running on HyperV regardless of distro. �If I can reach out
> to the great opensource community and provide resources to assist in
> making this happen, hopefully we'll bypass any corporate political
> agenda, and end up with a win for linux users running on HyperV that was
> complete driven by the community and not by MSFT.
> So far I don't see any political unrest, and it's nice to see someone
> putting some effort into this. Interoperability works both ways in my
> mind, so thanks for the work you're doing� (now can we get some good
> GPL'd� MAPI libraries so I can talk to exchange easier? :-P)
hahaha, help me do this and that will be next on the list....
> Thanks for the time.
> Thanks for yours.
> During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> revolutionary act.
> George Orwell
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