[CentOS-devel] RFC: Alternative Desktop SIG

Fred Smith fredex at fcshome.stoneham.ma.us
Thu Mar 20 02:22:28 UTC 2014


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 06:09:51PM -0500, Jim Perrin wrote:
> 
> 
> On 03/14/2014 05:44 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > On 14 March 2014 14:49, Jim Perrin <jperrin at centos.org> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/14/2014 12:26 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> >>> I would like to put together an alternative desktop sig which will build,
> >>> qa, and support desktops which are not the Enterprise Linux primary or
> >>> secondary desktops (GNOME and KDE).
> >>
> >> Fantastic!
> >>
> >>> There are a couple of ground rules I would like to propose:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Any desktop system needs to have 3 sponsors who are people willing to
> >> do
> >>> the work of building RPMS, coordinating user bugs with upstream, and
> >> fixing
> >>> packages. The reason for 3 is
> >>>   a) that this SIG isn't a dumping ground for here is ABC-DE compiled,
> >>> goodbye.
> >>>   b) that disagreements between sponsors should be deadlock free.
> >>>   c) that when people take vacations, etc there is continuity of
> >> operation.
> >>
> >>
> >> How would this apply to something like EPEL, which in el6 has XFCE
> >> packaged. Would it be acceptable to pull that in, or would that simply
> >> count as 1 of the 3?
> >>
> >>
> > That was something that I figured would also need to be planned for. Where
> > do these packages live? Who is caring for them? My initial viewpoint is
> > that it would be nice if the people on a desktop were co-maintainers on the
> > package set if it were in EPEL. 
> 
> I proposed exactly this with the fedora maintainer of MATE. He's agreed
> and tagged it appropriately. It's working its way through the EPEL build
> system now.
> 
> 
> 
> The main thing is to try and make sure that
> > stuff gets accidentally abandoned.
> 
> It should only ever be INTENTIONALLY abandoned as the SIG deems
> appropriate ;-)
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>> 2) Desktops do not keep to Enterprise lifetimes, but major version
> >> changes
> >>> to the desktop need to be announced, tested and released to a schedule.
> >>> Desktops which don't want to do that will not be part of the SIG. [A
> >>> schedule does not need to be super detailed, but just alleviate
> >> surprise.]
> >>> 3) Desktops can and will be removed from the SIG if there isn't an
> >> interest
> >>> in keeping them up. This is mainly to cover that if ABC-DE desktop no
> >>> longer has sponsors, other members of the SIG aren't obliged to support
> >>> ABC-DE if they don't want to.
> >>
> >> I would propose that anything being removed be treated as a major
> >> version change, with an announcement and warning for users.
> >>
> >>
> > Yes I agree on that. It is a major change and would need an announcement
> > and warning to users.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>> 4) Some level of governance needs to be established so that there is a
> >>> committee that can make sure that a desktop has 'sponsors', that it is
> >> not
> >>> just code thrown over a wall and left, and that users are not left
> >>> surprised when updates to the desktop occur. They may also make up
> >>> packaging rules and guidelines as needed to alleviate problems that come
> >> up.
> >>>
> >>> As this is an RFC, these are just proposed rules to be solidified when
> >> the
> >>> CentOS board considers the SIG.
> >>
> 
> 
> So lets do a bit of the groundwork so that we can take this SIG to the
> board for vote/approval. Who else has the time and desire to contribute
> to this SIG?

I've previously expressed interest.

I haven't the foggiest idea what kind or amount of work is required, but if it's something I can do I will join up.

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