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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/26/2014 07:22 PM, Jeff Sheltren
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:02 AM,
            Stephen John Smoogen <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                    <div>Here is out current minimal kickstart package
                      list. We use this as the basics to get a box
                      installable from the ground up with everything
                      else needed afterwords. There is still a lot of
                      bike-shedding here: (postfix vs sendmail, remove
                      prelink, biosdevname, etc) but it comes out to
                      about 353 packages and a disk usage of 888 MB.
                      Ansible and yum gets the rest for us. </div>
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                    <div>%packages --nobase</div>
                    <div>acpid</div>
                    <div>authconfig</div>
                    <div>bash-completion</div>
                    <div>bind-utils</div>
                    <div>-biosdevname</div>
                    <div>-cronie-anacron</div>
                    <div>cronie-noanacron</div>
                    <div>crontabs</div>
                    <div>dhclient</div>
                    <div>iptables-services</div>
                    <div>-iwl*</div>
                    <div>-libertas*</div>
                    <div>-logwatch</div>
                    <div>mailx</div>
                    <div>nfs-utils</div>
                    <div>nmap-ncat</div>
                    <div>ntp</div>
                    <div>ntpdate</div>
                    <div>openssh-clients</div>
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                      openssh-server</div>
                    <div>patch</div>
                    <div>postfix</div>
                    <div>-prelink</div>
                    <div>rsync</div>
                    <div>screen</div>
                    <div>telnet</div>
                    <div>tmpwatch</div>
                    <div>traceroute</div>
                    <div>-sendmail</div>
                    <div>-sendmail-cf</div>
                    <div>strace</div>
                    <div>tmux</div>
                    <div>vim-enhanced</div>
                    <div>yum</div>
                    <div>yum-utils</div>
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          Stephen, thanks for sharing!  In my opinion I'd say "minimal"
          doesn't need things like: mailx, nfs-utils, patch, rsync,
          screen, telnet, traceroute, strace, tmux.  vim-enhanced I
          personally would like to include, but it's not really minimal.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Just throwing that out there for
          discussion.  I don't have a strong disagreement with your list
          -- although 888M does seem to be getting kind of large.  <br>
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        Let's define some ground rules first.<br>
    - As has been stated before ( and decided in the 6.3=> 6.4
    transition era ) what will be called " minimal.iso" will reflect the
    @core group AND include all the hardware support<br>
    - What we can debate upon is an older proposal which came on IRC and
    which I mentioned in my previous message, that is a "micro.iso". My
    target is knowledgeable people who would want a quick server setup
    and would push anyway afterwards whatever they needed depending on
    the purpose of the machine, With this in mind,  from my point of
    view this one would be really minimal with just the needed stuff  to
    have a bootable WIRED machine and ( debatable ) some means to do
    config mgmt. However given the multitude of existing options I am
    not too keen on including anything for this specific purpose but
    rather let the admin copy the bootstrap tools of choice via scp.<br>
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        From the list above I would exclude several items, such as nmap,
    patch, tmux,, screen, bash-completion... OTOH I would definitely
    include biosdevname , for the simple reason that Dell loves to use
    it ( even if it's not mandatory ). Not to mention that including
    BOTH tmux and screen on a MINIMAL image seems excessive given that
    they have the same purpose. And.. wasn't sendmail replaced by
    postfix a decade ago ? :) ( #define decade = one major release )<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">I wonder what size Wolfy has stuff down
          to? :)</div>
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    a tad smaller :) for a start I'd stick in --excludedocs<br>
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