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Le Thu Mar 26 2020 16:32:37 GMT+0100 (CET), Johnny Hughes <johnny@centos.org> a écrit :
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<div><div dir="ltr">On 3/20/20 2:46 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:<br clear="none">> Hi everyone,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I hope this email finds you well and at some ease, in the midst of all<br clear="none">> things.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Thanks Tuomas for keeping this conversation going, as we all work on<br clear="none">> improving how the CentOS Project makes decisions in the open as a<br clear="none">> community. In this long-ish email I am going to describe the open<br clear="none">> decision process the Board of Directors wants to see followed for this<br clear="none">> logo work. The same process can be applied to the website redesign, too.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> = Context<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> With apologies for any confusion I caused for Tuomas, Alain, and<br clear="none">> Simas--who have held an excellent open design discussion (<br clear="none">> <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://git.centos.org/centos/Artwork/issue/1 ">https://git.centos.org/centos/Artwork/issue/1 </a>)--I am making a few minor<br clear="none">> adjustments in the plan to slow things down a bit. To make sure that<br clear="none">> people across the CentOS community are at least aware of what is being<br clear="none">> worked on.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I think some people with a stake in this project are not fully aware of<br clear="none">> the proposed changes, and need an opportunity especially as participants<br clear="none">> and contributors to give input, feedback, and design thinking toward the<br clear="none">> final logo.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> It hasn't been clear so far where decisions should be made, who chooses<br clear="none">> what goes into the final design, and who says that design should be the<br clear="none">> new logo. Or even if there should be a new logo at all!<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> The unclear part is largely because the CentOS Board hasn't communicated<br clear="none">> our intentions clearly, I'm sorry about that, and I'd like to fix that here.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> The process the CentOS Board wants should look like the one below. We're<br clear="none">> asking the three designers who have done the work so far (areguera,<br clear="none">> brokenkeyframe, tigert) to lead this discussion. I am the Director<br clear="none">> responsible for supporting that discussion and helping it get to a<br clear="none">> conclusion.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> The goal is to have a design that the community likes, understands, and<br clear="none">> accepts, which the Board of Directors can basically rubber-stamp, i.e.,<br clear="none">> approve without further discussion/argument. (Expect some Directors to<br clear="none">> provide input as community members, that is how we get our voices heard<br clear="none">> in the design decision process.)<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> = Open design decision process<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 0. I have taken the logo off the Board agenda for the next meeting, and<br clear="none">> won't put it back on until after this community has concluded its process.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 1. For the next $time_period (perhaps until 08 April?) is the<br clear="none">> second-to-last window for input on the design, and suggestions for any<br clear="none">> new designs are also considered.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 2. For two (or three?) weeks after that ~08 April date, the current and<br clear="none">> new designs undergo iterations between the designers. This includes the<br clear="none">> designers involved so far plus anyone else who comes along willing to do<br clear="none">> the work.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 3. During those design iteration weeks, the process includes a robust<br clear="none">> back-and-forth between the designers that the rest of the community can<br clear="none">> observe. Designers set their own tolerance for how much feedback they<br clear="none">> want during this time window. They may choose, for example, to do a<br clear="none">> daily survey of design iterations using a survey tool to help them track<br clear="none">> the sentiment without wading through comments.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 4. At the end of the design iteration weeks, the designers send back to<br clear="none">> the community the design(s) they feel are worthy of further<br clear="none">> consideration or decision. These may be the final design suggestions,<br clear="none">> depending on how the collective designers feel.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 5. For two weeks following, interested community members are involved in<br clear="none">> helping choose the final design. Or those are two weeks of feedback,<br clear="none">> followed by another design iteration window, depending on the consensus<br clear="none">> of the designers and the interested community. I recommend we only<br clear="none">> schedule up to two iterations, and welcome the insight of the waaaaay<br clear="none">> more experienced designers as to what they want.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 6. The final decision is approved (rubber-stamped) by the Board; I<br clear="none">> conclude the trademark work in parallel.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> The above can be slowed down even further -- it might be too fast with<br clear="none">> the way things are right now in the world; there is no need to rush, we<br clear="none">> just don't want an open-ended process. It's better to set a deadline and<br clear="none">> adjust it outward, at this point.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> What do you all think about this?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Best - Karsten<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I think CentOS Linux and the CentOS Project has developed a brand ..<br clear="none">people know what it is, and I, for one, do not want it to change.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I am fine with approving a new, Single color Logo with a more standard<br clear="none">font as an additive brand, but I like the logo that we have had for the<br clear="none">last 17 years .. well, once we go rid of the pink text :).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I don't want to prevent all change .. but I do think legacy is also<br clear="none">important.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On 3/18/20 5:27 AM, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> Hello everyone. I hope everyone is coping as well as possible in the<br clear="none">>> current events.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> There has been a collaborative design effort to update the CentOS logo<br clear="none">>> and brand, and <br clear="none">>> we are on the agenda of the next CentOS board meeting (in a week)<br clear="none">>> to present an update to the current CentOS branding for approval. We<br clear="none">>> are excited to be at this point.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> In the spirit of openness, and because we are human, it could be that<br clear="none">>> some of us have missed the earlier mail about this<br clear="none">>> [<a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2020-January/036517.html">https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2020-January/036517.html</a>]<br clear="none">>> So, I am announcing this yet once more, to make sure everyone is aware<br clear="none">>> of our progress, the upcoming decision, and has a final chance to<br clear="none">>> voice possible concerns and give feedback.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> I want to avoid sending attachments to the mailing list, so please see<br clear="none">>> the blog post i wrote on January which summarizes the process and<br clear="none">>> features the proposed logo and brand<br clear="none">>> updates: <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://blog.centos.org/2020/01/updating-the-centos-logo-and-visual-style/">https://blog.centos.org/2020/01/updating-the-centos-logo-and-visual-style/</a><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Also, the issue on git.centos.org <<a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://git.centos.org">http://git.centos.org</a>> can be<div class="ydp57f3d504yqt6331678136" id="ydp57f3d504yqtfd25576"><br clear="none">>> interesting reading for anyone interested in how we have reached this<br clear="none">>> point: <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://git.centos.org/centos/Artwork/issue/1">https://git.centos.org/centos/Artwork/issue/1</a><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> The feedback we have received so far has been positive and<br clear="none">>> constructive, so let us know of any concerns you might have.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Best regards,<br clear="none">>> Tuomas Kuosmanen<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>> CentOS-devel mailing list<br clear="none">>> <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:CentOS-devel@centos.org">CentOS-devel@centos.org</a><br clear="none">>> <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel">https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> CentOS-devel mailing list<br clear="none">> <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:CentOS-devel@centos.org">CentOS-devel@centos.org</a><br clear="none">> <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel">https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="ydp57f3d504yqt6331678136" id="ydp57f3d504yqtfd02164">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">CentOS-devel mailing list<br clear="none"><a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:CentOS-devel@centos.org">CentOS-devel@centos.org</a><br clear="none"><a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel">https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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