<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>After a chat with Karsten the repo is ok to live here: '<a href="https://git.centos.org/centos/board">https://git.centos.org/centos/board</a>'<br></div><div><br></div><div id="sig21433305"><div>-- <br></div><div> Brian Stinson<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:brian@bstinson.com">brian@bstinson.com</a><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, May 21, 2020, at 06:16, Leigh Griffin wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:03 AM Karsten Wade <<a href="mailto:kwade@redhat.com">kwade@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;"><div>Circling back on this, our Board discussion last week was fruitful <br></div><div> toward solving this.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> We'd like to use <a href="http://git.centos.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">git.centos.org</a> as an issue tracker for interacting with <br></div><div> the Board and for tracking our various efforts. We're moving from <br></div><div> largely manual processes, which we've been creating since the addition <br></div><div> of CentOS Stream made it necessary to re-consider CentOS as a <br></div><div> contributor project in need of active, visible leaders.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> What is the next step? I'm ready to build out the repo, figure out what <br></div><div> different personas need, and so on.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is the intention here we just log an issue and it becomes a conversation topic? That's my interpretation of this, if that's the case, we just need the actual repo created and it works organically from there. <br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;"><div><br></div><div>Best,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> - Karsten<br></div><div> <br></div><div> On 5/13/20 2:43 AM, Aoife Moloney wrote:<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 7:34 AM Leigh Griffin <<a href="mailto:lgriffin@redhat.com" target="_blank">lgriffin@redhat.com</a> <br></div><div> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:lgriffin@redhat.com" target="_blank">lgriffin@redhat.com</a>>> wrote:<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > On Tue, May 12, 2020, 23:54 Karsten Wade <<a href="mailto:kwade@redhat.com" target="_blank">kwade@redhat.com</a><br></div><div> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:kwade@redhat.com" target="_blank">kwade@redhat.com</a>>> wrote:<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > On 5/6/20 6:31 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:<br></div><div> > > I must lead with this: It is with great trepidation that I<br></div><div> > even write<br></div><div> > > this message, because I have no desire to burn bridges. I<br></div><div> > currently<br></div><div> > > enjoy a cordial working relationship with everyone on the<br></div><div> > board, and,<br></div><div> > > without exception, have great respect for each of them<br></div><div> > personally. But<br></div><div> > > it is my job to point out that the board's method of engaging<br></div><div> > with the<br></div><div> > > community isn't working.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Thanks all for bringing this discussion along, we seem to have<br></div><div> > arrived<br></div><div> > at "yes and what tool." :) In parallel we need to have some idea<br></div><div> > of the<br></div><div> > personas of the people using this tool.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > For some more context about Rich's email:<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > I asked Rich to start this thread when he asked me this<br></div><div> > question. I said<br></div><div> > then and here, it's true we do not have clear processes for getting<br></div><div> > things heard and approved/denied by the Board.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > As a Director and as the current Board Secretary, I am highly<br></div><div> > interested<br></div><div> > and somewhat desperate to solve those problems -- my task list<br></div><div> > for the<br></div><div> > Board and the Project is a bit unruly and dependent on other<br></div><div> > humans to<br></div><div> > move things along. The practice of open source software projects<br></div><div> > reminds<br></div><div> > us that I shouldn't be solving that problem in isolation, without<br></div><div> > transparency and the collaboration that comes with it.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > So let's work on it together. Let's figure out a reasonable<br></div><div> > process that<br></div><div> > will work right now, and iterate on it as needed over time.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > There are a number of people who care about CentOS as a project,<br></div><div> > let's<br></div><div> > call them "project stakeholders". They all wish to engage with the<br></div><div> > project leadership for guidance and approval around various efforts.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Can we use this thread to define those stakeholder personas,<br></div><div> > what kinds<br></div><div> > of things/ways they need to engage with the Board, and how we<br></div><div> > can make<br></div><div> > that happen?`<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > The CPE team is one such persona who need to engage with the Board<br></div><div> > for key decisions and info sharing on technical projects we are<br></div><div> > undertaking that might impact CentOS as a whole. We also want a 2<br></div><div> > way conversation on requirements and needs that the Board, on behalf<br></div><div> > of the Community, may wish for us to undertake e.g. service<br></div><div> > creation/ modification. Actions here might impact the Community from<br></div><div> > a technical or user interaction perspective so a public tracker is<br></div><div> > key to allow transparency into the conversations.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > I have a feeling there are some folks here experienced with helping<br></div><div> > define functional requirements and user personas, you are hereby<br></div><div> > invited<br></div><div> > to help this discussion move forward.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > My entire professional background is in this area, I'm happy to<br></div><div> > help where my time will allow. I'm also happy to offer the services<br></div><div> > of our Product Owner Aoife Moloney to help capture this who also<br></div><div> > works in this manner day in day out.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > +1, I'm more than happy to work out how best to engage with the CentOS <br></div><div> > Board from the CPE team side, with the board :) And any tooling/methods <br></div><div> > we identify as having potential success can also be scaled to allow for <br></div><div> > the wider project stakeholder groups to engage in this manner also & <br></div><div> > happy to use this thread as suggested for working this out with everyone <br></div><div> > collectively.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > From the CPE side, we are a stakeholder to the CentOS Project and are <br></div><div> > happy to file requests/issues through a public tracker as mentioned <br></div><div> > above. If you opt to track through <a href="http://issues.redhat.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">issues.redhat.com</a> <br></div><div> > <<a href="http://issues.redhat.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://issues.redhat.com</a>>, or <a href="http://pagure.io" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">pagure.io</a> <<a href="http://pagure.io" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://pagure.io</a>>, creating <br></div><div> > labels to identify types of tickets will help the review process if the <br></div><div> > board only meets monthly.<br></div><div> > You could honestly have labels for anything - hardware request, travel, <br></div><div> > new feature approval, etc. Continue to use the devel list for open <br></div><div> > discussion and feedback and by adding the link to your issue tracker in <br></div><div> > your email signature, there will be easy and quick access for people to <br></div><div> > file their request directly from conversational engagement on the email <br></div><div> > thread to a formal trackable request to the board to action.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > I have ideas and am happy to help here, it benefits us all to have this <br></div><div> > clarity. So lets decide what tool first - does the board have a <br></div><div> > preference? You will be the ones using it! :)<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Best regards,<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > - Karsten<br></div><div> > --<br></div><div> > Karsten Wade [he/him/his]| Senior Community Architect | @quaid<br></div><div> > Red Hat Open Source Program Office (OSPO) : @redhatopen<br></div><div> > <a href="https://community.redhat.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.redhat.com</a> | <a href="https://next.redhat.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://next.redhat.com</a> |<br></div><div> > <a href="https://osci.io" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://osci.io</a><br></div><div> > <a href="https://theopensourceway.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://theopensourceway.org</a> |<br></div><div> > <a href="https://github.com/theopensourceway/guide" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/theopensourceway/guide</a><br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > 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