<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 7:20 AM Josh Boyer <<a href="mailto:jwboyer@redhat.com">jwboyer@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:40 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic <<a href="mailto:centos@plnet.rs" target="_blank">centos@plnet.rs</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On 12/9/20 4:25 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:<br>
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:16 AM Phil Perry <<a href="mailto:pperry@elrepo.org" target="_blank">pperry@elrepo.org</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:pperry@elrepo.org" target="_blank">pperry@elrepo.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > On 09/12/2020 15:08, Brendan Conoboy wrote:<br>
> > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:59 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:centos@plnet.rs" target="_blank">centos@plnet.rs</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:centos@plnet.rs" target="_blank">centos@plnet.rs</a>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:centos@plnet.rs" target="_blank">centos@plnet.rs</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:centos@plnet.rs" target="_blank">centos@plnet.rs</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > So when you remove binary compatibility, why would anyone<br>
> > bother with<br>
> > > CentOS/RHEL unless they want a job in a company that pays for RHEL<br>
> > > support?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > What sort of binaries are you concerned about being incompatible?<br>
> ><br>
> > Any kernel device drivers, for a start. Kind of critical if your<br>
> > SAS/RAID device wont boot, or your network device doesn't come up, or<br>
> > your GUI doesn't start because your display drivers aren't compatible<br>
> > anymore. Just minor things like that maybe?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > OK, so out-of-tree drivers. If those keep on working does that make<br>
> > CentOS Stream viable for your use?<br>
><br>
> The problem we CentOS users have with "RHEL Stream" is "IF" it works. I<br>
> do not want to think about "IF". RHEL Stream is meant to constantly,<br>
> daily get packages and patches that are not yet tested, to BE tested on<br>
<br>
This is actually not the case. Today, our RHEL development model<br>
requires package updates to undergo testing before they are included<br>
in the distribution, even internally. CentOS Stream will continue<br>
this trend as we upstream many of our RHEL CI workflows to Stream<br>
itself.<br>
<br>
> users. From RHEL Stream FAQ: "CentOS Stream is a distribution that<br>
> community members can use to take advantage of a stable ABI/API for<br>
> development and testing," DEVELOPMENT AND TESTING.<br>
<br>
It would be disingenuous to say Stream won't have bugs. All software<br>
development has bugs. However, the "development and testing" part<br>
actually extends to the development and testing of the software *you*<br>
are developing. Stream exists as a base for you to do your own<br>
development and testing.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>*WE* aren't doing development and testing! We're running systems that are trying to get work done. The whole POINT of CentOS was a recompile of the Open Source parts of RHEL. A stable *Enterprise* level operating system.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you people not understand that??</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> I do not have time to mess with "might work, might not" testing distro,<br>
> otherwise I would play on the sand with Fedora. RHEL clone is best<br>
> available option and in return for me using code prepared for RHEL I was<br>
> telling anyone who would listen how CentOS is great, for me better then<br>
> Debian/Ubuntu or other distro's. CentOS Facebook group has more members<br>
> then Fedora FB group, partially due to me posting ton of resource links<br>
> and how-to's and helping anyone who asked for help even if I had to look<br>
> for answer my self.<br>
> I do NOT have FAITH that Stream will be production ready, and I do not<br>
> have free time to experiment or check if it will work or not when I run<br>
> update, and that is only thing that matters. No amount of "do not worry"<br>
> will change my mind. As soon as it is crystal clear (I still hope) that<br>
> "CentOS Linux" is dead, I will stop advocating for CentOS, actually I<br>
> will start advocating AGAINST CentOS and look for alternatives, either<br>
> other clones or Debian.<br>
><br>
> I will not respond to any more e-mails or tweets about this topic, there<br>
> is nothing more to be said except R.I.P CentOS :-(<br>
<br>
I understand if you don't want to continue the conversation. I do<br>
want to say that with CentOS Stream, we're committed to developing a<br>
stable and world class project that literally produces RHEL. I hope<br>
in the future if you decide to revisit your OS choice that you take a<br>
moment and see what we're doing here. I think you might find that<br>
we're working very hard to avoid the things you're concerned about,<br>
because we *need* to avoid those same things in RHEL anyway.<br>
<br>
josh<br>
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