<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 2:10 PM Gordon Messmer <<a href="mailto:gordon.messmer@gmail.com" target="_blank">gordon.messmer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 12/10/20 4:19 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:<br>
> I do<br>
> want to say that with CentOS Stream, we're committed to developing a<br>
> stable and world class project that literally produces RHEL.  I hope<br>
> in the future if you decide to revisit your OS choice that you take a<br>
> moment and see what we're doing here.  I think you might find that<br>
> we're working very hard to avoid the things you're concerned about,<br>
> because we*need*  to avoid those same things in RHEL anyway.<br>
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<br>
I think it might be fair to say that CentOS Stream can't accomplish Red <br>
Hat's goals if it has no users, and it won't have any users if it isn't <br>
reliable.  The people who are alarmed that CentOS Stream will be <br>
suddenly unreliable aren't thinking clearly about Red Hat's intent for <br>
that distribution.<br> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's obvious Red Hat wasn't thinking clearly.  I'm not concerned about the reliability of CentOS stream since I won't be using it. Ever.</div><div><br></div><div>It may be awesome, but it is not what CenOS was, a recompile of RHEL X.X. And it's not ever going to be what we were promised we would have, over and over and over, a supported CentOS 8 through May 2029.</div><div><br></div><div>We've been screwed. Plain and simple. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">--<br><div dir="ltr" style="margin-left:0pt"><table style="border:none;border-collapse:collapse"><colgroup><col width="445"><col width="275"></colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:90pt"><td style="border-width:1pt;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(255,255,255);vertical-align:top;padding:5pt"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap"><b>Matt Phelps</b></span></font></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap"><b>Information Technology Specialist, Systems Administrator</b></span></font></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">(Computation Facility</span></font>, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory)</p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Center for Astrophysics | Harvard & Smithsonian</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">60 Garden Street | MS 39 | Cambridge, MA 02138</span></p>email: <a href="mailto:mphelps@cfa.harvard.edu" target="_blank">mphelps@cfa.harvard.edu</a><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/27BMxsC8PNyf5KTQKk3XXgRO_wLFfyTSJqSrArFVTHKzXR-F1GM1dkcbALumtHfQ-XywY0HszACvTxfNbNnsqTuqwev72DoKnMS2En3SUhoeOKsxS99pFgxp2akTBd5ZxwXeEzzl" width="350" height="2" style="border:none"></span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:27pt"><td style="border-width:1pt;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(255,255,255);vertical-align:top;padding:5pt"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/0ZtY7OVp7JUE6c07iw9qwGi25245c2MSrx0T-u7t_VYr2OiN3uMr1Jh6vzqHA2BI1cu-jzLev-aiZqCW66HIMgeobZ8Wx1MzwRuOKD6QO_iWs8llxnwIpoaocLzQ8YF7gDocGPk7" width="149" height="65" style="border:none"></span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="http://cfa.harvard.edu/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">cfa.harvard.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> | </span><a href="http://cfa.harvard.edu/facebook" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Facebook</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> | </span><a href="http://cfa.harvard.edu/twitter" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Twitter</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> | </span><a href="http://cfa.harvard.edu/youtube" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">YouTube</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> | </span><a href="http://cfa.harvard.edu/newsletter" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Newsletter</span></a></p></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