<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:53 PM Simon Matter <<a href="mailto:simon.matter@invoca.ch">simon.matter@invoca.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> On 12/10/20 4:19 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:<br>
>> I do<br>
>> want to say that with CentOS Stream, we're committed to developing a<br>
>> stable and world class project that literally produces RHEL. I hope<br>
>> in the future if you decide to revisit your OS choice that you take a<br>
>> moment and see what we're doing here. I think you might find that<br>
>> we're working very hard to avoid the things you're concerned about,<br>
>> because we*need* to avoid those same things in RHEL anyway.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I think it might be fair to say that CentOS Stream can't accomplish Red<br>
> Hat's goals if it has no users, and it won't have any users if it isn't<br>
> reliable. The people who are alarmed that CentOS Stream will be<br>
> suddenly unreliable aren't thinking clearly about Red Hat's intent for<br>
> that distribution.<br>
><br>
<br>
I understand why RedHat came up with the idea of CentOS Stream and it<br>
makes sense for them. BUT, something is missing for many of us and it will<br>
probably greatly reduce the number of users of CentOS Stream and as such,<br>
reduce the positive effects CS could have. The problem is that the stable<br>
part of CentOS Linux is missing in future and may prevent many of us from<br>
using CentOS Stream as well.<br>
<br>
What I could probably live with is:<br>
- Create point releases of CentOS Stream at the same time like the RHEL<br>
releases.<br>
- Feed point releases with updates like RHEL updates.<br>
- Clearly tag CentOS Stream different than RHEL, clX?<br>
- CS can contain changes which are not made in RHEL<br>
- CS kernel disables less modules to enhance support for older hardware<br>
not supported in RHEL anymore.<br>
- CS packages may enable features not enabled and therefore supported7 in<br>
RHEL<br>
- CS may not be absolutely identical to RHEL but as stable as RHEL in<br>
general.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What you describe is... wait for it... CentOS 8!!</div><div><br></div><div>Why can't we just keep having that, like we were promised?</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
That means, folks who run commercial software need to run it on RHEL to<br>
have support and be absolutely sure things work. If they pay for<br>
commercial software they should also pay RedHat!<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry, no. Budgets are tight/non-existant. And it's not just software that's supported by CentOS X.X. Ever call Dell for hardware support, for a failed hard drive? "What operating system are you running? What version?"</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Those using only free software can use CentOS point releases where they<br>
need most stability and run CentOS Stream where they can do it and by<br>
doing so help with development of upstream. Most IT people, developers and<br>
admins will most likely be willing to run CentOS Stream and be part of a<br>
fruitful community.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to hear your ideas.<br>
<br>
Simon<br>
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