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<p>Le 26/12/2020 à 17:49, Mike McGrath a écrit :<br>
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<div>Le 21/12/2020 à 21:27, Jean-Marc Liger a écrit :<br>
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<p>Le 21/12/2020 à 18:31, Mike McGrath a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 21,
2020 at 11:13 AM John Crisp <<a href="mailto:jcrisp@safeandsoundit.co.uk" target="_blank">jcrisp@safeandsoundit.co.uk</a>>
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That's the 'Extinguish' bit. Comes after
'Embrace' and 'Extend'.<br>
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<div>Uhhh, there is no Extinguish in Open Source.
That's the entire point. We embraced, we
extended. If others want to carry on the torch
they are more than welcome to do so.</div>
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<p>Again, a fair way of doing things would have been,
Hey guys since we Red Hat have bought CentOS, making a
downstream release of RHEL is just a nonsense, It
costs us time and money we can save. So let's reverse
the process and make RHEL a downstream of CentOS, it
will now be Fedora ELN - > CentOS Stream - >
CentOS Linux - > RHEL.<br>
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There would have been no downstream build sponsored by
Red Hat, CentOS Linux would have kill other clones
this way, as it already did for Scientific Linux 8,
the CentOS Community would have been happy to help to
get a better RHEL in the Stream process, and Red Hat
folks could have put all the value of their brand and
specificities in their final products, backed with a
strong ecosystem they could have controlled.</p>
<p>I eared you no answer about this proposal, could you
tell me why if it's not all about grabbing more money
from the CentOS Community ?<br>
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<p><span lang="en"><span><span>I ask for a fourth time
this proposal which still remains unanswered</span></span></span>,
but as we say in French, "who doesn't say word
consents",<span lang="en"><span><span> therefore it is
obviously a question of recovering money from the
CentOS community with the subscriptions</span></span></span><span lang="en"><span></span></span><span lang="en"><span></span>
<span><span>Red Hat coming soon.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span lang="en"><span><span>Jean-Marc</span></span></span></p>
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<div>How many operating systems do you think we need to be
building. In your little text diagram above, its not clear
to me what usefulness CentOS Linux is to RHEL. I understand
why you'd want it (free RHEL). Why do you think we should
produce it? What usefulness is it to us?</div>
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<p>To fullfil the CentOS initial Goal thought to produce a RHEL
clone.<br>
<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We've been evaluating that goas for years and I (and others) are unconvinced why we should be doing that. None of our other products have a downstream build that we sponsor. What benefit does doing something we've already done (RHEL), and doing it again (CentOS Rebuild), have for Red Hat? Believe me, when I tell you we looked for years to find an answer to that, no one enjoyed this announcement. But when you look at it, CentOS Linux no longer makes any sense to sponsor.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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<div>We don't want to "recover money" from the CentOS
community just like our other communities. But as a
business, since you're not providing Red Hat with profit
(none of our communities are), what are you providing that
would result in continued sponsorship of a downstream
rebuild?</div>
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<div>My little text diagram is simple to
understand. It is no an downstream rebuild, but an upstream
pre-build, with more stability than Stream and actually the
missing piece of motivation to help Stream to become stronger.</div>
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