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<p>Le 26/12/2020 à 18:17, Mike McGrath a écrit :<br>
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<p>Le 26/12/2020 à 17:49, Mike McGrath a écrit :<br>
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<div>Le 21/12/2020 à 21:27, Jean-Marc Liger a
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That's the 'Extinguish' bit. Comes
after 'Embrace' and 'Extend'.<br>
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<div>Uhhh, there is no Extinguish in
Open Source. That's the entire
point. We embraced, we extended. If
others want to carry on the torch they
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<p>Again, a fair way of doing things would
have been, Hey guys since we Red Hat have
bought CentOS, making a downstream release
of RHEL is just a nonsense, It costs us time
and money we can save. So let's reverse the
process and make RHEL a downstream of
CentOS, it will now be Fedora ELN - >
CentOS Stream - > CentOS Linux - >
RHEL.<br>
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There would have been no downstream build
sponsored by Red Hat, CentOS Linux would
have kill other clones this way, as it
already did for Scientific Linux 8, the
CentOS Community would have been happy to
help to get a better RHEL in the Stream
process, and Red Hat folks could have put
all the value of their brand and
specificities in their final products,
backed with a strong ecosystem they could
have controlled.</p>
<p>I eared you no answer about this proposal,
could you tell me why if it's not all about
grabbing more money from the CentOS
Community ?<br>
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<p> -Jean-Marc</p>
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<p><span lang="en"><span><span>I ask for a
fourth time this proposal which still
remains unanswered</span></span></span>,
but as we say in French, "who doesn't say word
consents",<span lang="en"><span><span>
therefore it is obviously a question of
recovering money from the CentOS
community with the subscriptions</span></span></span><span
lang="en"><span></span></span><span
lang="en"><span></span> <span><span>Red Hat
coming soon.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span lang="en"><span><span>Jean-Marc</span></span></span></p>
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<div>How many operating systems do you think we need
to be building. In your little text diagram
above, its not clear to me what usefulness CentOS
Linux is to RHEL. I understand why you'd want it
(free RHEL). Why do you think we should produce
it? What usefulness is it to us?</div>
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<p>To fullfil the CentOS initial Goal thought to produce a
RHEL clone.<br>
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<div>We've been evaluating that goas for years and I (and
others) are unconvinced why we should be doing that. None
of our other products have a downstream build that we
sponsor. What benefit does doing something we've already
done (RHEL), and doing it again (CentOS Rebuild), have for
Red Hat? Believe me, when I tell you we looked for years to
find an answer to that, no one enjoyed this announcement.
But when you look at it, CentOS Linux no longer makes any
sense to sponsor.</div>
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<p>As I said below, the idea is to produce a downtream RHEL clone,
with CentOS Stream as the continuous beta release for RHEL, and
Centos Linux the bitwise release candidate for RHEL you can last
adjust with the feedback of the CentOS community. It's a simple
and valuable answer to what you've been looking for years.<br>
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<div>We don't want to "recover money" from the
CentOS community just like our other communities.
But as a business, since you're not providing Red
Hat with profit (none of our communities are),
what are you providing that would result in
continued sponsorship of a downstream rebuild?</div>
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<div>My little text diagram is simple to understand. It is
no an downstream rebuild, but an upstream pre-build,
with more stability than Stream and actually the missing
piece of motivation to help Stream to become stronger.</div>
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<div>RHEL is a downstream rebuild of Stream. Perhaps the
missing piece you need to help isn't another rebuild, but
free actual RHEL?</div>
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<p><span class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
data-language-for-alternatives="en"
data-language-to-translate-into="fr" data-phrase-index="2"><span>What
I need is a free RHEL clone for educational purposes, with
no subscription and no restrictive contract terms to deal
with.<br>
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<p><span class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
data-language-for-alternatives="en"
data-language-to-translate-into="fr" data-phrase-index="2"><span>Right
now the winner of your fantastical move is Oracle Linux,
that fewbody knows before. Every day there is another IT
website to explain how easy it is to move from CentOS to
Oracle Linux 8. And Project Lenix and Rocky Linux will also
succeded in this trifecta order. And in the end you will
loose both the value of the CentOS Brand and Community. Is
this the big deal Red Hat want to achieve?<br>
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<p><span class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
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data-language-to-translate-into="fr" data-phrase-index="2"><span>Jean-Marc<br>
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