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    <p>Le 26/12/2020 à 17:49, Mike McGrath a écrit :<br>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at
            10:11 AM Jean-Marc Liger <<a
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              <div>Le 21/12/2020 à 21:27, Jean-Marc Liger a écrit :<br>
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                <p>Le 21/12/2020 à 18:31, Mike McGrath a écrit :<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 21,
                        2020 at 11:13 AM John Crisp <<a
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                        That's the 'Extinguish' bit. Comes after
                        'Embrace' and 'Extend'.<br>
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                      <div>Uhhh, there is no Extinguish in Open Source. 
                        That's the entire point.  We embraced, we
                        extended.  If others want to carry on the torch
                        they are more than welcome to do so.</div>
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                      <div>          -Mike <br>
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                <p>Again, a fair way of doing things would have been,
                  Hey guys since we Red Hat have bought CentOS, making a
                  downstream release of RHEL is just a nonsense, It
                  costs us time and money we can save. So let's reverse
                  the process and make RHEL a downstream of CentOS, it
                  will now be Fedora ELN - > CentOS Stream - >
                  CentOS Linux - > RHEL.<br>
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                  There would have been no downstream build sponsored by
                  Red Hat, CentOS Linux would have kill other clones
                  this way, as it already did for Scientific Linux 8,
                  the CentOS Community would have been happy to help to
                  get a better RHEL in the Stream process, and Red Hat
                  folks could have put all the value of their brand and
                  specificities in their final products, backed with a
                  strong ecosystem they could have controlled.</p>
                <p>I eared you no answer about this proposal, could you
                  tell me why if it's not all about grabbing more money
                  from the CentOS Community ?<br>
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                <p>            -Jean-Marc</p>
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              <p><span lang="en"><span><span>I ask for a fourth time
                      this proposal which still remains unanswered</span></span></span>,
                but as we say in French, "who doesn't say word
                consents",<span lang="en"><span><span> therefore it is
                      obviously a question of recovering money from the
                      CentOS community with the subscriptions</span></span></span><span
                  lang="en"><span></span></span><span lang="en"><span></span>
                  <span><span>Red Hat coming soon.</span></span></span></p>
              <p><span lang="en"><span><span>Jean-Marc</span></span></span></p>
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          <div>How many operating systems do you think we need to be
            building.  In your little text diagram above, its not clear
            to me what usefulness CentOS Linux is to RHEL.  I understand
            why you'd want it (free RHEL).  Why do you think we should
            produce it?  What usefulness is it to us?</div>
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    <p>To fullfil the CentOS initial Goal thought to produce a RHEL
      clone.<br>
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          <div>We don't want to "recover money" from the CentOS
            community just like our other communities.  But as a
            business, since you're not providing Red Hat with profit
            (none of our communities are), what are you providing that
            would result in continued sponsorship of a downstream
            rebuild?</div>
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          <div>        -Mike <br>
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    <div class="moz-signature">My little text diagram is simple to
      understand. It is no an downstream rebuild, but an upstream
      pre-build, with more stability than Stream and actually the
      missing piece of motivation to help Stream to become stronger.</div>
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    <div class="moz-signature">Jean-Marc<br>
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