<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Hi,<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 3:01 PM Josh Boyer <<a href="mailto:jwboyer@redhat.com">jwboyer@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 5:35 AM Alfredo Moralejo Alonso<br>
<<a href="mailto:amoralej@redhat.com" target="_blank">amoralej@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi,<br>
><br>
> With the refocus of CentOS to Stream, i think it'd make sense to open the discussion about the missing subpackages (mainly devel ones) in the repos.<br>
><br>
> While I understand that this was part of the idea of a "pure clone" of RHEL when working with CentOS Linux, now that stream is more intended to be used by devel community and not as a pure rebuild, I think there are reasons to change this policy.<br>
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> What'd be the best way to open this discussion?, is it being discussed already?, should this be a topic for the board?<br>
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This is indeed a great question and yes, we are already discussing it<br>
internally. To be quite frank, we've been discussing it for quite<br>
some time and long before the CentOS Linux announcement. There is a<br>
balance to be struck between making CentOS Stream a viable platform<br>
for ecosystem development, and faithfully representing what will<br>
become the next RHEL minor release.<br>
<br>
To date CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream have both stuck to "we provide<br>
what RHEL provides" so that anyone consuming them gets parity with<br>
RHEL. This benefits users that have a mixed RHEL/CentOS environment,<br>
and developers targeting the next release of RHEL by using CentOS<br>
Stream because they build against what RHEL has available. It<br>
prevents them from inadvertently getting themselves into situations<br>
where an application or package may build on a CentOS flavor, but fail<br>
to run on RHEL due to missing dependencies or, less noticable, running<br>
against unsupported content.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Putting all "unsupported" content in a separated -unsupported repo which would be disabled by default could be a suitable solution (similar to current Devel but automatically populated with unshipped content on each new build).<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
However, we have seen, and I have personally evaluated, MANY requests<br>
for some of the unshipped packages for what are very valid reasons.<br>
By working with the CentOS team, we have slowly adjusted our default<br>
approach to these requests and we're continuing to evolve it. I will<br>
be working further with them to figure out how best to strike this<br>
balance, particularly in light of CentOS Stream 9 coming and the<br>
increased emphasis on using that directly for RHEL development.<br>
<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I can promise no timelines and we have nothing concrete to share at<br>
the moment, but please know we're taking this seriously and the<br>
information the community is providing on what use cases they are<br>
trying to solve is actually critical to coming up with the right<br>
solutions. The more we know about how our users leverage our projects<br>
and products, the better we can make them. Thanks in advance for your<br>
patience.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is there any ticket (bugzilla or whatever) where I could track the progress of the discussions?<br></div><div> </div><div>Thanks for the info!</div><div><br></div><div>Alfredo<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
josh<br>
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