<div dir="auto">oK</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 7:11 PM Josh Boyer <<a href="mailto:jwboyer@redhat.com">jwboyer@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 3:07 PM Matthew Miller <<a href="mailto:mattdm@mattdm.org" target="_blank">mattdm@mattdm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 05:37:52PM +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote:<br>
> > The purpose of this SIG will be to serve as a gate for feature requests<br>
> > that are first developed in CentOS Stream from contributors who wish to<br>
> > request these features to be included in future RHEL releases and are then<br>
> > filed in bugzilla. The SIGs overall goal is to make sure that features<br>
> > which have been filed and have technical merit are triaged internally to<br>
> > the correct venue for further review and development. The SIG will take<br>
><br>
> This seems similar to one of the responsibilities of Fedora's "FESCo"<br>
> ("Fedora Engineering Steering Committee") as part of our Change process.<br>
> (See <a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/changes_policy/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/changes_policy/</a>)<br>
><br>
> I think it'd be nice to share structure and concepts (if not outright<br>
> process) as much as possible in areas like this -- it avoids duplicating<br>
> work, makes it easier for people working in both projects, and can help<br>
> actual work move back and forth as appropriate.<br>
<br>
Note, the description says "...feature *requests* that are first<br>
developed in...", not "...features that are first developed in...".<br>
Perhaps otherwise worded as "...feature requests that are drafted by<br>
the CentOS Stream contributors...".<br>
<br>
With that in mind, I'd be careful drawing analogies to FESCo. Fedora<br>
has a lot of freedom in the changes it can make. FESCo is a community<br>
body that acts as an arbiter for Fedora direction overall, and they<br>
tend to do a good job of it. CentOS Stream is more tightly bound to<br>
the direction of RHEL, which absolutely needs community input but this<br>
group isn't necessarily setting direction there.<br>
<br>
Brian's other reply captures it well. There will be requests that the<br>
community wishes to see, sometimes in the content of the OS itself,<br>
and sometimes outside of it. Right now, we lack a group that is<br>
paying attention at a higher level to help shepherd those to the<br>
appropriate place and carry them into Red Hat as needed. The group<br>
will have less direct control and act more in an advocacy capacity for<br>
these ideas, but without it we stand a high chance of really great<br>
ideas being missed simply because of so much going on.<br>
<br>
> I can imagine in some cases the correct venue for a feature will be : get<br>
> this upstream in Fedora first. Or maybe there will be some changes proposed<br>
> in Fedora where the answer will be the reverse. Either way, a shared<br>
> approach on either side would be nice.<br>
<br>
Yep, you're indeed correct. Sometimes something will need to happen<br>
in Fedora first, or EPEL, or perhaps a SIG, etc. The Fedora Change<br>
process is indeed very similar. The groups working with them are<br>
slightly different.<br>
<br>
> Thus ends the not-bikeshedding part of this message. The bikeshedding part<br>
> is: I wonder if "SIG" is the right name / structure for this group? SIGs<br>
> generally are focused on more specific areas, right, and this is more broad.<br>
> So, where I'm going with this is... "CentOS Stream Feature Steering<br>
> Committee"?<br>
<br>
I like my bikesheds to represent exactly what they're for, but I am<br>
terrible at naming.<br>
<br>
josh<br>
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