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p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, at 10:17, Trevor Hemsley wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div class="qt-moz-cite-prefix">On 17/11/2021 21:45, Brian Stinson
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:e455ce24-0ecd-491c-8aba-6e2a84639854@www.fastmail.com"><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, at 14:47, Odilon Junior wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt-qt" style=""><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi, <br></div><div><br></div><div>As the $SUBJECT says, after the latest release of Centos
8, the Devel[1] repo is not populated.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I can see the packages for 8.4.2105[2]. Is this expected
for this latest release?<br></div><div><br></div><div>---<br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div>Odilon<br></div><div><br></div><div>1 - <a href="http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/</a><br></div><div>2 - <a href="https://vault.centos.org/8.4.2105/Devel/" target="_blank" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://vault.centos.org/8.4.2105/Devel/</a><br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>CentOS-devel mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:CentOS-devel@centos.org" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">CentOS-devel@centos.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That is expected. Just a reminder CentOS Linux 8 goes End Of
Life in December: <a href="https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/</a> please
plan accordingly.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If you need a package that was previously in the Devel repo
to support your migration you may download from vault.centos.org
or from the buildsystem: <a href="https://koji.mbox.centos.org" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://koji.mbox.centos.org</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You just don't get this do you. At all. This is about Red Hat and
its word and whether that still means anything.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> The announcement late last year said that CentOS Linux 8 would go
EOL at the end of 2021, on 31/12. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> It did not say that you would stop supporting it in mid-November. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> It had no mention in that initial announcement about 8.5 and what
would happen to that until those questions were asked during the
many many questions that were asked following that initial
bombshell. The main questions that were asked about 8.5 was "will
there be a CentOS 8.5" and "will there be any updates to it". At
that point, the EOL announcement was amended to include something
about 8.5 to clarify the situation. The answer was meant to make
clear that support was ongoing until the end of the year but that
*if* 8.5 was not ready in time for the announced EOL date then work
would continue on it until it was released. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> If the "clarification" was also meant to shift the annouced EOL date
backwards from 2021/12/31 then it made no mention of that. It's only
now, once 8.5 has actually been released that Red Hat are backing
away from the announced EOL date and trying to claim that the
mention of 8.5 in it means that there won't be any more updates even
though we are still 6 weeks away from the actual EOL date. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> The amended announcement did not say "or whichever comes first". The
very top line in it says "CentOS Linux 8 will reach End Of Life
(EOL) on December 31st, 2021". There is also no mention of only
building and releasing packages that are of a certain VCSS score.
What it actually says is:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> "We <b>will</b> be shipping a rebuild of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 8.5 once it is released, even if that means
that this is released slightly after the EOL date. <br></div><p>The release of a RHEL point release is often accompanied,
immediately afterwards, by a set of zero-day updates. We <b>will</b> be providing this content as part of the final CentOS Linux 8
release. There will, however, be no more updates to the CentOS
Linux 8 content after that time.<br></p><div>Additionally, with this deadline falling during a time when many of
our team, as well as many of our users, will be out of the office,
we intend to bend the usual EOL process by keeping this content
available until January 31st. <br></div><p>At that time, or in the event of a serious security bug in this
time window (Defined as anything with a VCSS v3 score of 9 or
greater), this content will be removed from our mirrors, and moved
to <a href="https://vault.centos.org">vault.centos.org</a> where
it will be archived permanently"<br></p><div><br></div><div>That does not say "we'll only build and release packages with a VCSS
score of > 9". It says "after December 31st, if 8.5 is not ready
in time, then we will build it and release it along with all zero
day fixes but if there is an update with a VCSS score > 9 AFTER
the EOL date, then we will archive it to vault early".<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Yes, I get that everyone should be stopping using CentOS Linux 8.
It's going away. But you publicly announced that it would be
supported until the end of the year. Multiple times. There will be
people out there who are in mid-migration to something else and
thought they had another 6 weeks do complete it. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> So can we trust Red Hat to keep its word? A few years ago, I would
not have hesitated to say "of course they will" but now? I'll watch
what you *do* not what you *say*. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Trevor Hemsley<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The discussion about the interpretation of the EOL announcement is a good one, we should keep that going. The Devel repo is a slightly different topic though. <br></div><div><br></div><div>If you remember how the Devel repo was meant to work, it was meant to contain -devel packages that we've accepted into one of the core repos in the middle of a minor-release: <a href="https://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/CentOS8/UnshippedPackages">https://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/CentOS8/UnshippedPackages</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>For every CentOS Linux point-release the intent was to clear out the Devel repo because that content is expected to show up in BaseOS, AppStream, or PowerTools (see what happened in this particular instance with quota-devel). The other goal was to ship this content *somewhere* because we couldn't allow downloads from the buildsystem at the time. Devel was always a hack around these 2 constraints.<br></div><div><br></div><div>We have something better, though. We revisited requirements, put some infrastructure behind the buildsystem, and opened up downloads for folks. Since May, folks have been able to use the entire buildroot repos directly from the buildsystem if they so choose: <a href="https://koji.mbox.centos.org/kojifiles/repos/dist-c8-build/latest/">https://koji.mbox.centos.org/kojifiles/repos/dist-c8-build/latest/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>--Brian</div></body></html>