<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 1:03 PM Neal Gompa <<a href="mailto:ngompa13@gmail.com" target="_blank">ngompa13@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 3:49 PM Josh Boyer <<a href="mailto:jwboyer@redhat.com" target="_blank">jwboyer@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 3:02 PM Troy Dawson <<a href="mailto:tdawson@redhat.com" target="_blank">tdawson@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> > * Image build systems: kiwi / livecd<br>
> > * Tags and targets are now in CBS. We are now able to build images<br>
> > * Thanks to all those that did that work<br>
> ><br>
> > * We are not able to publish to the mirrors yet<br>
> > * <a href="https://pagure.io/centos-infra/issue/1039" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pagure.io/centos-infra/issue/1039</a><br>
> ><br>
> > * !! Help is needed creating rpm-ostree stuff in kiwi !!<br>
> > * <a href="https://github.com/OSInside/kiwi/issues/38" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/OSInside/kiwi/issues/38</a><br>
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> We already have tools that can generate rpm-ostree images. We have<br>
> entire projects and even products built around these tools. It seems<br>
> odd to call for help adding it to another tool when you could just use<br>
> the tools that already exist.<br>
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There's missing context: the SIG has given up on Image Builder for the<br>
time being due to osbuild-composer-koji not supporting CBS:<br>
<a href="https://pagure.io/centos-infra/issue/971" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pagure.io/centos-infra/issue/971</a><br>
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The only real interest in ImageBuilder is for RPM-OSTree images. And<br>
Image Builder doesn't support *anything* that the SIG wants to<br>
produce, except maybe cloud images.<br>
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And I have no interest in pushing for ImageBuilder right now because<br>
it can't do anything I want either.<br>
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> I mention this because the focus of the SIG as it was proposed to the<br>
> Board was to generate Alternative images. It wasn't a SIG focused on<br>
> enhancing kiwi. I would think the core mission can be accomplished<br>
> without stalling on a tool that doesn't work for some of these image<br>
> types.<br>
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In the actual meeting, I brought it up as if anyone is interested in<br>
rpm-ostree images, I would be happy to help with a contributor to<br>
support it in kiwi.<br>
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So far, there has been no signficant interest in RPM-OSTree images<br>
from active members of the SIG. I do not hold a ton of interest in<br>
RPM-OSTree myself, and there's only so much stuff I am willing to do<br>
that doesn't benefit my needs. We're going to ignore RPM-OSTree for<br>
the time being and work on all the other things people in the SIG care<br>
about: disk images, live media, container images, etc.<br>
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We're not "stalling on a tool that doesn't work", we're just ignoring<br>
the thing that nobody is expressing interest in right now. The summary<br>
of the meeting isn't exactly great at capturing that nuance, though.<br>
😅<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I had forgotten to send notes from our last meeting, mainly because there was only one item in it.</div><div><br></div><div>Fabian had investigated getting ImageBuilder working on CBS.</div><div><a href="https://pagure.io/centos-infra/issue/971">https://pagure.io/centos-infra/issue/971</a></div><div>In the end, as Neal said, ImageBuilder isn't able to install in the CBS infrastructure.</div><div>At last week's meeting we decided to drop worrying about ImageBuilder.<br></div><div><br></div><div>There is one member of the SIG that wants rpm-ostree images, but he wasn't at today's meeting.</div><div>I put the emphasis on that line in the email mostly for him. Basically a "If you want these, here is a way to get them."</div><div><br></div><div>Troy</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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