<div dir="ltr">I'm not sure I like the term general, I think it might get lost in translation though I do like where you're going with this. What about discuss?<div><br></div><div>Amy<br><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><p style="font-size:12px;margin:0px;text-transform:capitalize;font-family:RedHatText,sans-serif"><b>Amy Marrich</b></p><p style="font-size:12px;margin:0px;text-transform:capitalize;font-family:RedHatText,sans-serif">She/Her/Hers</p><p style="font-size:12px;margin:0px;text-transform:capitalize;font-family:RedHatText,sans-serif">Principal Technical Marketing Manager - Cloud Platforms</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 4px;font-size:12px;font-family:RedHatText,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.redhat.com/" style="margin:0px" target="_blank"><font color="#0b5394">Red Hat, Inc</font></a></p><div style="margin-bottom:4px"></div><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:RedHatText,sans-serif"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><a href="mailto:amy@redhat.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0b5394">amy@redhat.com</font></a><br></span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:RedHatText,sans-serif"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px"></span>Mobile: 954-818-0514<br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:RedHatText,sans-serif">Slack: amarrich</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:RedHatText,sans-serif">IRC: spotz</p><div style="margin-top:12px"><table border="0"><tbody><tr><td width="100px"><a href="https://www.redhat.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><img src="https://marketing-outfit-prod-images.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/f5445ae0c9ddafd5b2f1836854d7416a/Logo-RedHat-Email.png" width="90" height="auto"></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 7:03 AM Neal Gompa <<a href="mailto:ngompa13@gmail.com">ngompa13@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 3:39 AM Fabian Arrotin <<a href="mailto:arrfab@centos.org" target="_blank">arrfab@centos.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> As mentioned in previous thread about centos 7 EOL, one of the last<br>
> application that was still running on centos linux 7 is mailman, serving<br>
> centos lists for a long time now.<br>
><br>
> Thanks to all the hard work done by community contributors (thanks<br>
> Michel, Neal and others having participated !), there is now a fully<br>
> functional mailman3 stack available in Epel9.<br>
><br>
> There are still very minor things to do to be 100% ready for a real<br>
> migration, but we should have a stable .stg. instance deployed very<br>
> soon. (There is a sandbox instance that is reinstalled / scratched for now)<br>
><br>
> While importing existing lists/archives from mailman2 to mailman3 test<br>
> instance, there was a discussion (in a Matrix room) about eventually<br>
> using this migration as an opportunity to rename the lists.<br>
><br>
> For legacy reasons (don't know why as it was even before I joined the<br>
> project :) ) , lists were created on the same box as MX record for<br>
> <a href="http://centos.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">centos.org</a> and so lists were usually called : <lists>@<a href="http://centos.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">centos.org</a>.<br>
> The (usual) method is instead to create a dedicate host/sub-domain that<br>
> will hosts mailling lists, like lists.<domain> and so <a href="http://lists.centos.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lists.centos.org</a><br>
> (amusingly that's also the hostname we have for the https instance but<br>
> not for the existing lists)<br>
><br>
> As the discussion was just happening in a Matrix room, and more like a<br>
> brainstorming session, I thought it would be better (for awareness) to<br>
> start a real thread on this list, as it's about the future of the list<br>
> itself :)<br>
><br>
> Some people suggested to rename lists like this : (example):<br>
><br>
> <a href="mailto:centos-devel@centos.org" target="_blank">centos-devel@centos.org</a> => <a href="mailto:devel@lists.centos.org" target="_blank">devel@lists.centos.org</a><br>
><br>
> While technically that seems to work (tested on the import from mailman2<br>
> to mailman3) , it would need local aliases so that mails sent to<br>
> previous address list would just still go to new list (to be tested as I<br>
> don't know which checks are done by mailman-core now, and SPF, DMARC,<br>
> DKIM, etc if we just create aliases)<br>
><br>
> This is a RFC (request for comments) thread so let us know what you<br>
> think .. ideally before we start migrating the real instance :-)<br>
><br>
<br>
The move to <a href="http://lists.centos.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lists.centos.org</a> is necessary so the mail policies can be<br>
handled correctly. That's why <a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lists.fedoraproject.org</a> and<br>
<a href="http://lists.opensuse.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lists.opensuse.org</a> are set up the way they are, too.<br>
<br>
As for renaming mailing lists, I think we should deduplicate the<br>
"CentOS" name out of the lists, so the mapping would be like so:<br>
<br>
* <a href="mailto:CentOS-devel@centos.org" target="_blank">CentOS-devel@centos.org</a> -> <a href="mailto:devel@lists.centos.org" target="_blank">devel@lists.centos.org</a><br>
* <a href="mailto:CentOS@centos.org" target="_blank">CentOS@centos.org</a> -> <a href="mailto:general@lists.centos.org" target="_blank">general@lists.centos.org</a><br>
* <a href="mailto:CentOS-%7Blang%7D@centos.org" target="_blank">CentOS-{lang}@centos.org</a> -> <a href="mailto:general-%7Blang%7D@lists.centos.org" target="_blank">general-{lang}@lists.centos.org</a><br>
<br>
The rest are straightforward, similar to these.<br>
<br>
When I helped with the migration to mailman3 on the openSUSE side, we<br>
did a similar move and made sure the old addresses redirect to the new<br>
ones.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!<br>
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