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<p>Even though the final destination does not accept ICMP, the
routing from my location goes to New York, NJ, and then Canada. It
is highly unlikely that the mirror is located anywhere other than
Canada. <br>
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<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Nathan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/18/20 12:15 AM, Christopher
Hawker wrote:<br>
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AFAIK, you don't need to be an IT company, or even operate a
business. You just need to be able to meet the requirements for
hosting a CentOS mirror so being a reseller shouldn't matter.</div>
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The mirrors should be removed as they are not in the locations
mentioned.</div>
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Thanks,</div>
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Christopher Hawker</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size: 11pt;"
face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
CentOS-mirror <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org"><centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org></a> on
behalf of Alexandre Leonenko <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alex@esecuredata.com"><alex@esecuredata.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 18 November 2020 1:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mailing list for CentOS mirrors.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:centos-mirror@centos.org"><centos-mirror@centos.org></a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richardmuise.ca@gmail.com">richardmuise.ca@gmail.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richardmuise.ca@gmail.com"><richardmuise.ca@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CentOS-mirror] Mirror:
centos-canada.vdssunucu.com.tr listed as Canadian mirror</font>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
To me it seems like <span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30);
font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); display: inline !important;">Altinsoft.net is
actually a reseller. They don't own any actual servers. In
Canada, certain locations, the power costs are cheaper
than Europe</span></div>
<div style=""><font style="" color="#201f1e"><span
style="font-size:14.6667px">That's probably the reason
the mirror hosted here in Canada.</span></font></div>
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style="font-size:14.6667px"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div style=""><font style="" color="#201f1e"><span
style="font-size:14.6667px">And like Christopher
mentioned, both IPs resolve to OVH in Quebec</span></font></div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Alex</div>
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11pt;" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
CentOS-mirror <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org"><centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org></a> on
behalf of Christopher Hawker
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:email@chrishawker.com.au"><email@chrishawker.com.au></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mailing list for CentOS mirrors.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:centos-mirror@centos.org"><centos-mirror@centos.org></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richardmuise.ca@gmail.com">richardmuise.ca@gmail.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richardmuise.ca@gmail.com"><richardmuise.ca@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CentOS-mirror] Mirror:
centos-canada.vdssunucu.com.tr listed as Canadian mirror</font>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
According to the MaxMind GeoIP database, both IP addresses
for both servers are located in Canada.</div>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
192.95.3.130 is in Montreal, Quebec and 144.217.237.129 is
in Beauharnois, Quebec.</div>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
As has already been established, neither mirror accepts
ICMP packets, so we cannot determine what the final
destination is and where the servers are accurately
located.</div>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
Both mirrors should be removed, until their location can
be established with 100% certainty.</div>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
Thanks,</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
Christopher Hawker</div>
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<div id="x_x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font
style="font-size: 11pt;" face="Calibri, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><b>From:</b> CentOS-mirror
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org"><centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org></a> on behalf of
Richard Muise <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richardmuise.ca@gmail.com"><richardmuise.ca@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 18 November 2020 10:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mailing list for CentOS mirrors.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:centos-mirror@centos.org"><centos-mirror@centos.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CentOS-mirror] Mirror:
centos-canada.vdssunucu.com.tr listed as Canadian
mirror</font>
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<div class="x_x_PlainText">Fabian,<br>
Sorry I had missed the original messages from
the previous weekend. My search-fu is poor I
guess. I see the thread now.<br>
<br>
My comments apply to both
centos-canada.altinsoft.net and
centos-canada.vdssunucu.com.tr. They were both
added in the same thread, Nov 8th and Nov 14th
respectively, and by the same email address
(support @ altinsoft.net). The domain servers for
the second mirror is listed as
ns*.onecloudserver.net, which is also tied to
Altinsoft.<br>
<br>
Altinsoft.net is a hosting company, and their
contact page only lists their location as Turkey:
<a href="https://www.altinsoft.net/contact"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.altinsoft.net/contact</a>.
Their terms of service also clearly indicates that
Altinsoft is Turkish company (see Supplier here:
<a
href="https://www.altinsoft.net/terms-of-service"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.altinsoft.net/terms-of-service</a>
- quote “AltýnSoft Information Technologies, a
private company incorporated and registered in the
Republic of Turkey…”).<br>
<br>
Checking their hosting information, they
state they have servers around the world,
including Canada
<a
href="https://www.altinsoft.net/canada-ca-dedicated-servers"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.altinsoft.net/canada-ca-dedicated-servers</a>
(quote “Our Canada location servers are hosted in
the OVH Canada data center).<br>
<br>
So that confirms what Darrell and Jonathan
reported - Canadian GeoIP because it is hosted in
the OVH data centre. But I cannot find any
information to indicate that Altinsoft, the
company paying for this mirror, is not situated in
Turkey. I cannot guess the reason why a Turkish
company would choose to host a Centos Mirror for
Canada when they do not appear to be hosting any
for users in Turkey (I checked the 28 mirrors for
Turkey).<br>
<br>
Finally, and this is just an opinion, but the
mail in the mailing list did not sound like a
native English or French speaker. “We've sent it
before, but we haven't received an answer What is
the problem”, “Thank you for help” and “Please
change.".<br>
<br>
Perhaps this is not enough grounds to change
the mirror list, but it does raise a number of
flags.<br>
<br>
Thank you for responding and pointing me to
GeoIP, which I had not used before. And thank you
for the work to maintain the list. I’ve been a
volunteer in other projects, and I know it’s hard
to balance incoming requests vs full-time work and
family.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Fabian Arrotin
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arrfab@centos.org"><arrfab@centos.org></a> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> On 17/11/2020 16:59, Richard Muise wrote:<br>
>> I’d like to suggest that the mirror
centos-canada.vdssunucu.com.tr<br>
>> <<a
href="http://centos-canada.vdssunucu.com.tr"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://centos-canada.vdssunucu.com.tr</a>>
should not be listed as a<br>
>> Canadian mirror. The IP look indicates
the virtual host is in Turkey,<br>
>> not Canada. Perhaps it should be listed
under Turkey mirrors instead.<br>
>> <br>
>> I searched the Centos-mirror mailing list
and could not find any<br>
>> discussion of this site before.<br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks.<br>
>> <br>
> <br>
> I know it looked "strange" by looking at
vhost/fqdn, but GeoIP lookup<br>
> confirmed (from our pre-flight check) that
it's indeed in Canada<br>
> <br>
> And here is the original request that arrived
on mailman, so yes, it was<br>
> discussed :<br>
> <a
href="https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-mirror/2020-November/024530.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-mirror/2020-November/024530.html</a><br>
> <br>
> Do you have other GeoIP DB/proof that server
isn't located in Canada ?<br>
> -- <br>
> Fabian Arrotin<br>
> The CentOS Project | <a
href="https://www.centos.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.centos.org</a><br>
> gpg key: 17F3B7A1 | twitter: @arrfab<br>
> <br>
>
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