So there's your answer, Rick. How persistent are you? :-) Michael ----- Forwarded message from Warren Togami <warren at togami.com> ----- >So, Warren, how'd you do it? :) 3 months of harassing them and several NDA and licensing agreements I had to sign. Good luck... Warren ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <mej at kainx.org> n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sometimes it can last Forever, but it seldom ever lasts Forever. And we learn just how fast Forever goes." -- Howard Hewett