On 11/4/2014 11:32 AM, Nathan Duehr wrote: > Been hearing that “back in the day” excuse since Novell / IPX was big. Wash, rinse, repeat. which would have been 1980s to mid 90s. the fundamental IP application protocols like FTP, Telnet date back to the late 60s and early 1970s, concurrent with the development of TCP/IP and ARPANET. There /was/ no 'network' before this for 'bad guys' to be on. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast