<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Ruslan Sivak <<a href="mailto:russ@vshift.com">russ@vshift.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">Luke S Crawford wrote:<br>
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<a href="mailto:russ@vshift.com" target="_blank">russ@vshift.com</a> writes:<br>
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If you only have 512mb of ram, there's almost no reason to virtualize. Windows needs a minimum of 128-512MB to run stable. I highly suggest that you get more RAM - its very cheap these days. <br>
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seconded. my standard server has 8G unbuffered ecc. Newegg sells 2x2Gb packs of unbuffered ECC kingston brand ddr2 for under $100.<br>
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<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134312" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134312</a><br>
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No reason, really, to not fill your motherboard with ram. <br>
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If you want to dedicate a box to virtualization, and won't be using more then 4GB of ram for your virtual machines - I highly recommend xenserver express. Its free, but has much better performance then vmware. <br>
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the free (closed) xensource product is good... I also wanted to point out the new gpl windows pv drivers:<br>
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<a href="http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenWindowsGplPv/" target="_blank">http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenWindowsGplPv/</a><br>
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you could use them with the standard open-source Xen, or even with the Xen support distributed with CentOS 5, and avoid the ram limits all together.<br>
(well, there is a limit to the open-source xen, but it's ridiculous; most<br>
of us won't hit it for several years, at least.) <br>
still kinda beta, but something to watch. <br>
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Yea, I've been playing around with this. The performance seems on par with the XenSource drivers, but like you said, it's pretty beta. James has been great in fixing the bugs, but it's just not ready for production use right now. Without using the GPLPV drivers, Xen is not ready for production use, the IO throughput sucks, and there is no graceful shutdown. <br>
If XenServer Express would only allow for 8GB, it would be perfect. The administrative interface is really polished and fully featured (except things like migrations, which understandably come with the enterprise version). <br>
Once the GPLPV drivers mature a little bin and someone makes some decent admin tools for Xen, Xen will be ready for the enterprise. I bet a company can make good money just developing and selling the admin tools for Xen.<br>
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