<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">On Dec 12, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Rudi Ahlers <<a href="mailto:Rudi@SoftDux.com">Rudi@SoftDux.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia <<a href="mailto:nkadel@gmail.com">nkadel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Rainer Duffner <<a href="mailto:rainer@ultra-secure.de">rainer@ultra-secure.de</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The other question is if it actually works.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Too many of the low-cost devices eat the data on the drives, when the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>motherboard or the controller fries...</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>With luck, you can read the data on one of the drives...</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If the client only needs 12TB, there's shurely a NetApp that is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>cheaper but only scales to 10 or 20TB.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If the client has maxed that out and needs to go beyond that, he needs</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to buy a bigger filer-head + shelves and migrate his data (AFAIK,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>that's possible, at a charge...).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>NetApps are wonderful. So is a Hercules transport. Amazing pieces of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>engineering, completely unsuitable for home use due to expense of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>underlying hardware and excessive sophistication of high availability</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>components which, in a modest environment, is more easily done with</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>rsnapshot and a few of the cheapest drives.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>NetAPP's are far too overpriced for our needs. I need something more</span><br><span>affordable.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>12 TB, well, there you're getting into noticeable storage. What are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>your requirements? High availability? On-line snapshots? Encryption?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Do you need that 12 TB all as one array, or can it be gracefully split</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>into 3 or 4 smaller chunks to provide redundance and upgrade paths, or</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>put different data on different filesystems for different</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>requirements?</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>In one instance we need to host virtual machines, so we don't need</span><br><span>anything fancy. I'm happy with running iSCSI / NFS and even AOE.</span><br><span>Currently we have a few 2U SuperMicro servers with 24bays, running</span><br><span>OpenFiler. But, OpenFiler is outdated and limited when it comes to</span><br><span>scalability. Ideally, I would like to have a "single host" type setup,</span><br><span>for when we move a client to a larger / new / different array, he</span><br><span>still connects to the same host - i.e. for high availability.</span><br><span></span><br><span>For a different setup, one of our clients needs to store archived</span><br><span>video footage of their CCTV system, which currently generates about</span><br><span>1TB's worth of data in one day. NetApp devices is simply off the scale</span><br><span>when it comes to afford-ability in this case. What-ever we decide to</span><br><span>go with needs to be cheap enough so that we can have 2x the setup for</span><br><span>backup purposes.</span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#005001"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0023A3"><br></font></font></div></blockquote><br><div>Take a look at Equallogic.</div><div><br></div><div>Each enclosure is an independent unit that can work in cooperation with other Equallogic enclosures to form a storage group, from which volumes are created that are striped across group members.</div><div><br></div><div>Each enclosure comes with redundant controllers and for 10Gbe, dual interfaces, and for 1Gbe, quad interfaces, 4GB of cache memory.</div><div><br></div><div>Snapshots, replication, host integration tools are all included in he basic license (all features are available out-of-the-box at no additional charge).</div><div><br></div><div>Need some more performance? Buy another unit, add it to the storage group and your existing volumes will start striping across it.</div><div><br></div><div>SATA/SAS/SSD enclosure types available in 16 drive or 32 drive units.</div><div><br></div><div>The whole storage group is managed from a single IP address from any host that supports HTTP and Java.</div><div><br></div><div>-Ross</div><div><br></div></body></html>