On Saturday, February 27, 2021 7:52 AM, Johnny Hughes <johnny@centos.org> wrote:

> On 2/26/21 12:57 PM, redbaronbrowser via CentOS-devel wrote:
>
> > On Friday, February 26, 2021 8:33 AM, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
> >
> > > I get it, people want what they had. Hell, I want it too. If / When
> > > the other downstream RHEL source code builds happen, use them if that is
> > > what you want. None of that requires bashing CentOS. CentOS is not
> > > bashing any of those distros.
> >
> > Ok. But why is that what you want too?
> > Why isn't KW's blog post enough to consider Stream a win-win?
>
> If you have to ask this question .. then you know nothing about me or
> the CentOS Project.
>
> I personally built and released 95% of the CentOS Linux packages from
> CentOS Linux 4.0 on. It is really my life's passion for the last 17
> years.

Good point--I am sorry, I should have worded the question better. Thank you for everything you have done for the last 17 years and what you are continuing to do for CentOS 7 and Stream.

What I was trying to ask is as a CentOS user what would it take for you to be just as comfortable with Stream.  As you are with CentOS 8 such that you would consider the transition a win-win.

> I was very upset / depressed when CentOS Linux 8 was given an early EOL.
> I do not now, nor will I ever like (or agree with) the decision. I get
> to have my opinion. I also work for Red Hat. I am not the decider .. I
> am an employee. So I do what I can do.
>
> That fact has nothing to do with CentOS Stream, which I do feel is the
> best open source enterprise distro available since there will be no
> CentOS Linux moving forward (except CentOS 7 until the nomral EOL). I
> also think Stream helps both Red Hat and RHEL customers.
>
> I have no idea what your agenda is. I do know who is working on the
> CentOS Stream project and I know what is being done on a daily basis.
>
> Stream will absolutely be a great distribution.
>
> Whether it meets your needs or not, only you can decide.

I agree with everything you have said above.

My furstration ("agenda") is mostly with the hard termination date of CentOS 8.  And also with the lack of hard dates/status for achieving Upstream features.

While it will always be true everyone will have to decide for themselves if Stream works for them.  But I think tweaks to the deadline for CentOS 8 could have a huge impact on the adoption of Stream.

For example, if RHEL 8.6 freeze and fork of Stream takes place in Feb/Mar of 2022, that would be a better date to force for a CentOS 8 to Stream transistion.

Instead, it is being indicated that Red Hat is trying give CentOS more independence.  But the foundation of that "independence" is to dictate the transition date.  It might be true that users can choose for themselves a date to transition before Jan 1st.  However, less than 13 months from the announcement is not enough time for a project to have achieved project independence.

I was hoping for a little more leeway from Red Hat for making Stream ready before running out of the time on C8.  Preferably around RHEL 8.7 but since that doesn't seem realistic to ask for then at least until around RHEL 8.6.