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hardware acceleration with radeon
by Rohan Walsh 09 Jul '05

09 Jul '05

Hi, I am using CentOS4 on i686. Can anyone tell me how to get hardware acceleration to work with a radeon 9000 using xorg and dri (not ATI's proprietary driver) I had it working fine on fc1. thanks Rohan

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yum error on 3.5 repo?
by Ken Godee 09 Jul '05

09 Jul '05

Here's the error I'm getting on fresh install of 3.5 ==================================================== retrygrab() failed for: http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3/updates/i386//headers/php-imap-0-4.3.2-24… Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3/updates/i386//headers/php-imap-0-4.3.2-24… [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found

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Re: Hot swap CPU -- shared memory (1 NUMA/UPA) v. clustered (4 MCH)
by Bryan J. Smith <b.j.smith＠ieee.org> 09 Jul '05

09 Jul '05

From: Bruno Delbono <bruno.s.delbono(a)mail.ac> > I'm really sorry to start this thread again but I found something very > interesting I thought everyone should ^at least^ have a look at: > http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2005/06/4-dual-xeon-vs-e4500.html > This article takes into account a comparision of 4 dual xeon vs. e4500. > The author (not me!) talks about "A Shootout Between Sun E4500 and a > Linux Redhat3.0 AS Cluster Using Oracle10g [the cluster walks away limping]" People can play with the numbers all they want. Shared memory systems (especially NUMA) with their multi-GBps, native interconnects are typically going to be faster at anything that is GbE or FC interconnected. At the same time, lower-cost, clustered systems are competitive *IF* the application scales _linearally_. In this test scenario, the operations were geared towards operations that scale _linearally_. But even then, I think this blogger pointed out some very good data. The reality of the age of the systems in comparison, as well as the "less than commodity" cluster configuration of the PC Servers. It too is also a "power hungry" setup, and very costly. The reality is that a dual-2.8GHz Xeon MCH system does _not_ have the same interconnect capable of an even _yesteryear_ UltraSPARC II hardware that actually had a _drastically_lower_ cost overall. And even then, for its age, price, etc..., the "old" 4-way UltraSPARC II NUMA/UPA was quite "competitive" against a processor with 7x the CPU clock, but because the latter, "newer" P4 MCH platform has a _far_lower_ total aggregate throughput capable interconnect. Had the test included database benchmarks that were less linear and favored shared memory systems, then the results might have been very different. Frankly, if they wanted to make the "Linux v. Solaris" game stick, they should have taken a SunFire V40z and compared _directly_. Or at least pit a SunFire V40z running Linux against the same cluster, as the costs are very much near each other. So, in the end, I think this was a _poor_ test overall, because apples and oranges are being compared. The clustered setup has _better_ failover, the shared memory system has _better_ "raw interconnect." And it wasn't fair to use an aged Sun box, a newer, "cost equivalent" SPARC (III/IV?) should have been used -- especially given the costs. It's very likely that someone was just "re-using" the only Sun box they had, which is just a piss-poor show of journalism. The memory of the Sun should have also been boosted to the same, total amount to show off the power of a shared memory system with the appropriate benchmarks. I mean, the shared memory system has interconnect measured in the multi-GBps, while the cluster is well sub-0.1GBps for the GbE, and sub-0.5GBps for the FC-AL on even PCI-X 2.0. Furthermore, I would really like to see how the 4x P4 MCH platforms would perform versus more of a NetApp setup, beyond just the SunFire V40z (Opteron). Or, better yet, a new Opteron platform with HTX InfiniBand (Infiniband directly on the HT). That's _exactly_ what Sun is moving to, and something Intel doesn't have. Especially considering that InfiniBand on PCI-X 2.0 is only capable of maybe 0.8GBps in an "ideal" setup, and 1GbE can't get anywhere near that (let alone the layer-3/4 overhead!), while HTX InfiniBand has broken 1.8GBps! At 1.8GBps throughput InfiniBand, you're starting to blur the difference between Clustered and Shared Memory, especially with the HyperTransport protocol -- and especially versus traditional GbE. Intel can't even compete at 40% the power of Opteron HTX in a cluster configuration. **SIDE DISCUSSION: SATA and the evolution to SAS (bye SCSI!) As far as SATA v. SCSI, they were using 10K SATA disks that basically roll of the same lines as SCSI. Using the intelligent FC host fabric, the SATA's not only queue just as good as a SCSI array, the SATA throughput is _higher_ because of the reduced overhead in the protocol. There has been study after study after study that shows if [S]ATA is paired with an intelligent storage host, the host will queue and the drives will burst. The combination _roasts_ traditional SCSI -- hence why SCSI is quickly being replaced by Serial Attached Storage (SAS), a multi-target ATA-like interconnect, in new designs. Anyone who still thinks SCSI is "faster" versus [S]ATA is lost. Yes, [S]ATA doesn't have queuing, and putting NCQ (Native Command Queuing) on the Intelligent Drive Electronics (IDE) is still not the same as having an intelligent Host Adapter (HA) which SCSI always has. But when you use an intelligent Host Adapter (HA) for [S]ATA, such as the ASIC in 3Ware and other products, the game totally changes. That's when SCSI's command set actually becomes a latency liability versus ATA -- especially in an ASIC design like 3Ware's, and new Broadcom, Intel and other solutions, SCSI can _not_ compete. Hence, again, the evolution to SAS. Parallel is dead, because it's much better to have a number of point-to-point devices with direct pins to a PHY to a wide ASIC than a wide bus that is shared by all devices. And these 10K RPM SATA models are rolling of the _exact_same_ fab lines as their SCSI equivalents, with the same vibration specs and MTBF numbers. They are not "commodity" [S]ATA drives, of which many 7,200rpm SCSI drives are even now sharing (and share the same 0.4Mhr MTBF as commodity [S]ATA). -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org

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2.6.9-5.0.3 src rpm
by Jesse 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

I need to make a new driver disk, so I need to install the src.rpm for the initial centos4 install kernel, kernel-2.6.9-5.0.3.EL. However upon browsing around the mirrors, in the 4.0 directories, I find only 2.6.9-11.EL kernels and source? What's going on here -- am I looking in the wrong place? I would expect to see 2.6.9-11.EL in the 4.0/updates directories, not in the 4.0/os. I would expect 4.0/os to have the packages that correspond to the initial release. Since there are no src ISO (right?), I can't grab the kernel-2.6.9-5.0.3.EL.src.rpm from there either. Where can I find it? Thanks, --- Jesse <j(a)lumiere.net>

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Re: [CentOS] 2.6.9-5.0.3 src rpm
by Bryan J. Smith <b.j.smith＠ieee.org> 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

From: Jesse <j(a)lumiere.net> > I need to make a new driver disk, so I need to install the src.rpm > for the initial centos4 install kernel, kernel-2.6.9-5.0.3.EL. Actually, if the driver will build against a binary kernel that is installed (which is typically the case with today's binary kernels that include the header and other config files in the run-time), all you need is the "-BOOT" kernel binary installed on your system. >From there, you should be able to build your driver against it. > However upon browsing around the mirrors, in the 4.0 directories, I find > only 2.6.9-11.EL kernels and source? What's going on here -- am I looking > in the wrong place? Hmmm, yeah, I guess I don't see a SRPMS directory anywhere. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org

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iPod on Centos 4
by Jesse 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

I'm having trouble getting my iPod working under Centos 4. I was hoping someone else using their iPod with Centos 4 could shed some light on this. When I attach my iPod via USB, I get these messages: 19:36:44 brahma kernel: usb 1-8: new high speed USB device using address 2 19:36:45 brahma kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... 19:36:45 brahma kernel: scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices 19:37:35 brahma kernel: usb 1-8: reset high speed USB device using address 2 19:37:51 brahma kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 2 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 I had no problems getting my iPod to work under Centos 3 (2.4.x kernel), once I had recompiled without the EFI partition option. In this case I don't think EFI is a factor though, as the device isn't even making it to the partition scanning stage. I tried using just the slower uhci_hcd but got the same results. Then I tried using the latest FC3 kernel (2.6.11-1.35_FC3), and surprise, the iPod mounts (with ehci) without any problems. Obviously I'd prefer to run the RHEL/Centos kernel though, even if it requires a small patch. At least then I know what's changed.

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ftp firewall/iptables
by Dave 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

I just installed CentOS4 on my main server. It runs proftpd and is not NATted.. When I did the install I said to allow FTP and HTTP. I can ftp from windows dos ftp client. In IE I get "Unable to build data connection: No route to host" ncftp I get.. Data connection timed out. Falling back to PORT instead of PASV mode. List failed. Wget and FireFox just time out. Anything I need to add to the firewall rules? This is all it has related to FTP. -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m state -m tcp --dport 21 --state NEW -j ACCEPT

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Re: Evolution rpm for CentOS?
by Bryan J. Smith <b.j.smith＠ieee.org> 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

From: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)mattdm.org> > My guess is that the sales rep simply explained the above policy poorly. Yeah, I honestly think that too. Sales reps have a nasty habit of doing that, not realizing what harm they actually cause a company. As Scott Adams was always fond of illustrating ... "Marketing: 2 Drink Minimum" -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org

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Evolution rpm for CentOS?
by Adrian Coman 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

Hi, Is there a CentOS4 rpm for Evolution 2.2.2 (I think that's the latest) ? Thanks, Adrian

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Re: [CentOS] Backup Server with rsync methods
by Bryan J. Smith <b.j.smith＠ieee.org> 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

From: "scott.list" <scott.list(a)mlec.net> > My real, main objective is to be able to get a config working on a > local machine for FTP, Postfix, Apache, etc. then quickly getting a > remote server up and running with those configs in a quick fashion. I > would like to have my configuration "portable" so to speak so I may > change providers on a whim if desired, and to do minimal configuration > on the remote server to quickly get it to the stage and setup of my > main, home box. Then you should maintain all configuration and other system-specific files under CVS. That way you know what may or may not need to be changed, possibly with a couple of sed commands after checkout. This is the greater detail of "configuration management" in general, and not really specific to any backup scheme. -- Bryan J. Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org

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