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Soundless!
by Michael Goddard 14 Oct '12

14 Oct '12

My ASUS P8H6-M LE mb with Realtek ALC887 HD audio setup offers no sound. A fix offered on a Ubuntu website via /etc/modprobe.d by adding a line to alsa-base.conf was unsuccessful for me with v6.3.

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ipsec nat issue
by Steve Clark 13 Oct '12

13 Oct '12

Hello, I have the following setup on linux 2.6.32... CentOS 6.x : ipsec tunnel eth0-10.255.3.254/25 - eth1-pub add1 <-> eth1-pub add2 - eth0-10.255.5.254/25 I am trying to SNAT remote private address 10.255.5.128/25 packets when they come out of the ipsec tunnel to make it appear like it was from local address 10.255.3.254. I am doing a source ping from the right side to a device on the left subnet ping -I 10.255.5.254 10.255.3.129 but it doesn't work - see below. iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 10.255.5.128/25 -d 10.255.3.128/25 -j SNAT --to-source 10.255.3.254 Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT 6 packets, 456 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 0 0 SNAT all -- * eth0 10.255.5.128/25 10.255.3.128/25 to:10.255.3.254 $ sudo tcpdump -nli eth0 icmp tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 65535 bytes 15:20:17.772396 IP 10.255.5.254 > 10.255.3.129: ICMP echo request, id 52588, seq 62, length 64 15:20:18.777272 IP 10.255.5.254 > 10.255.3.129: ICMP echo request, id 52588, seq 63, length 64 15:20:19.772572 IP 10.255.5.254 > 10.255.3.129: ICMP echo request, id 52588, seq 64, length 64 15:20:20.770681 IP 10.255.5.254 > 10.255.3.129: ICMP echo request, id 52588, seq 65, length 64 I would expect 10.255.5.254 to be replaced with 10.255.3.254 what am I missing? Is this possible I could do it when we were using FreeBSD. I didn't find anything googling. Thanks, Steve -- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin) "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." (Thomas Jefferson)

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Upgrading 5.5 to 5.8 with yum?
by Jeff Layton 13 Oct '12

13 Oct '12

Good afternoon, I've been running a CentOS 5.5 system for a while using some Nvidia drivers for an older Nvidia card (GeForce 6200 card). I'd like to upgrade to 5.8 using yum but I was curious if anyone has done this using yum? Any gotchas? (I can handle the Nvidia upgrade part once the system is upgraded). Thanks! Jeff BTW - I'm using driver 256.35 and looking at Nvidia's site it looks like 304.51 is the latest (I'm running 32-bit believe it or not).

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CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 92, Issue 10
by centos-announce-request＠centos.org 13 Oct '12

13 Oct '12

Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-announce(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CESA-2012:1363 Important CentOS 5 bind Update (Johnny Hughes) 2. CESA-2012:1364 Important CentOS 5 bind97 Update (Johnny Hughes) 3. CESA-2012:1361 Critical CentOS 5 xulrunner Update (Johnny Hughes) 4. CESA-2012:1362 Critical CentOS 5 thunderbird Update (Johnny Hughes) 5. CESA-2012:1363 Important CentOS 6 bind Update (Johnny Hughes) 6. CESA-2012:1362 Critical CentOS 6 thunderbird Update (Johnny Hughes) 7. CESA-2012:1361 Critical CentOS 6 xulrunner Update (Johnny Hughes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:50:33 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2012:1363 Important CentOS 5 bind Update To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Message-ID: <20121012205033.GA31945(a)chakra.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2012:1363 Important Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2012-1363.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) i386: 71797c3280b4b7b539a5494441625679b7aca83a7d969f1b427725245fbbaa06 bind-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm 90887b9695f108ce0cd30bf776909bd7172a9ec4f3fc6f98b42bbc74ea5efba0 bind-chroot-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm c5413797436b3f1706638e835dff69a52af39e3c8a26995fa3cc823b867519ce bind-devel-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm 9b54d535bd1aa349f1338008ae0e13c12d14105a36fc80024f1902129e7b2d3e bind-libbind-devel-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm 1e2356fd60b14b32cfe5a5dd399dfe63dab08e96033b97cdf860fb87639142fd bind-libs-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm 15df25bdec27116221d4b5be58531cec4bd0f78ea3075f0a4d78a6acb29d7ec4 bind-sdb-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm 70a34f0727dd56757ec669b0aa30e6859f8ae89c66c44ef2cdf31078e7f19789 bind-utils-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm 1f83b4ab65453a6e376cd81764a23fe8d6d189ab452384179107616cbdf5defb caching-nameserver-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm x86_64: 490cee4597c586e2ca2fb987bd69a81916cc7098e7fe558d52b76bb87c85f5ba bind-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.x86_64.rpm 866f0f6f57e996894365396e67f925c4a952c924c4603d9bca384ee33d0e5fdb bind-chroot-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.x86_64.rpm c5413797436b3f1706638e835dff69a52af39e3c8a26995fa3cc823b867519ce bind-devel-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm 2ad6ad1a906a56eee7d6597ed842a4d924d926b6faf36cd82b5fd3104a73fe7f bind-devel-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.x86_64.rpm 9b54d535bd1aa349f1338008ae0e13c12d14105a36fc80024f1902129e7b2d3e bind-libbind-devel-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm b8e5d743246b9033b2eb8711ca29cabc838056016d4288553c63b3ea46c66fa4 bind-libbind-devel-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.x86_64.rpm 1e2356fd60b14b32cfe5a5dd399dfe63dab08e96033b97cdf860fb87639142fd bind-libs-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.i386.rpm 7e230dd73cbcd4837655e5fd9b96d81d7dfcc2097876f3ee5030772a141353c2 bind-libs-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.x86_64.rpm 84f343298a64eafda695f15784ad6496101359b88d0e2be9008dc3cdb860aa39 bind-sdb-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.x86_64.rpm be5718f03f797a0031e58dcef1763b7ec2ef2a9034059846c671a29ff0c173cb bind-utils-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.x86_64.rpm 2800257fb4c2b6717bafab8b2164860892d50ce723d3a2a9aabf46132aef1672 caching-nameserver-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.x86_64.rpm Source: 3672d0f81b61a57f525a08dbec3aa84f71fa63835d7fc6c34a2a93e4b4a268ca bind-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:51:55 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2012:1364 Important CentOS 5 bind97 Update To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Message-ID: <20121012205155.GA32095(a)chakra.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2012:1364 Important Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2012-1364.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) i386: f6e7710824b993e7afff3eba790fe332d12afe3dee68de0c6cc1ebb6e1d00e1b bind97-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.i386.rpm 5ac0b03ff99e9c48ace3ec7cec25d360f93ab1d2c605e34e6018cb68e7ff0062 bind97-chroot-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.i386.rpm bc51803cf0cb874e698cda7c1fd24950461cd0724c5848331614a47e6339d4da bind97-devel-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.i386.rpm 55f7dd7482011c7a2835b562ebadc5c3f7a26e66115125a127fa3943736c5745 bind97-libs-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.i386.rpm 68ea08955f35801cb84431b3ed102786d69ccb212d3b2bd66e01b68a3852b0d4 bind97-utils-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.i386.rpm x86_64: bc797fc30e25fff539ab03148643d75e8fe9c89b1a9b325e489ae55f3e92b4ef bind97-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.x86_64.rpm 44e3be760dfb3ee087efb8d6ff7ec5f0d37268ef39a782343faea2a52e79276e bind97-chroot-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.x86_64.rpm bc51803cf0cb874e698cda7c1fd24950461cd0724c5848331614a47e6339d4da bind97-devel-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.i386.rpm 91b852d83ce3b95b9f15d27c661ae4901fa73794dcbbf5454e087308fc983b80 bind97-devel-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.x86_64.rpm 55f7dd7482011c7a2835b562ebadc5c3f7a26e66115125a127fa3943736c5745 bind97-libs-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.i386.rpm c897585f9f5d3d6fb8fe2d6cfe516c87342d28d399eab6d36e4623006c7498b4 bind97-libs-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.x86_64.rpm 8f15452537d54c17496d88a2a1cc6e2b2b9ce97ac651548444a6442e313076cb bind97-utils-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.x86_64.rpm Source: c1a92c6f175610d3c9f1a39fb1eca13a89e6ae7f48ae7bf6fefd7a6aa404d28f bind97-9.7.0-10.P2.el5_8.4.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:47:30 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2012:1361 Critical CentOS 5 xulrunner Update To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Message-ID: <20121012214730.GA3365(a)chakra.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2012:1361 Critical Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2012-1361.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) i386: ef4e6d562455f4b02f402fb0cdd183052396ccbba1670c71ca892e57903370a2 xulrunner-10.0.8-2.el5_8.i386.rpm 30f51a4159b2611ccd92b4bdfd18c1c657280366d0b22d6dbb12e3343086be6e xulrunner-devel-10.0.8-2.el5_8.i386.rpm x86_64: ef4e6d562455f4b02f402fb0cdd183052396ccbba1670c71ca892e57903370a2 xulrunner-10.0.8-2.el5_8.i386.rpm 0ec67a661511c3e4e57b13da61c4503327d373508eee5d5288099e7b74630149 xulrunner-10.0.8-2.el5_8.x86_64.rpm 30f51a4159b2611ccd92b4bdfd18c1c657280366d0b22d6dbb12e3343086be6e xulrunner-devel-10.0.8-2.el5_8.i386.rpm dc526f5ee27686017c3343d3334d489f4f42bb50efacb8ce20becde1bab8ab58 xulrunner-devel-10.0.8-2.el5_8.x86_64.rpm Source: 06c60ad14fd8508dfde4b24ed971cd98d55f8f5d2cb75266336729f16133b137 xulrunner-10.0.8-2.el5_8.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:05:00 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2012:1362 Critical CentOS 5 thunderbird Update To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Message-ID: <20121013020500.GA16516(a)chakra.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2012:1362 Critical Upstream details at : http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2012-1362.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) i386: 989659271a649582dc88441f7049ec7dca2d016647c6ee218884d3a6019f9013 thunderbird-10.0.8-2.el5.centos.i386.rpm x86_64: ca004d29697749328ecfe921c18444005d52e9b75e0c19d40f8b1ecc2177d7cc thunderbird-10.0.8-2.el5.centos.x86_64.rpm Source: 5781f63862877016d3909babb49453c42a1676a948985440d10ad28496aa2db2 thunderbird-10.0.8-2.el5.centos.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:25:08 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2012:1363 Important CentOS 6 bind Update To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Message-ID: <20121013022508.GA16777(a)chakra.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2012:1363 Important Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2012-1363.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) i386: a20a602ceb21c13e6f5797c9135511e0c6cd9080883653f6e6b45d7d53e15706 bind-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.i686.rpm 1e9a79aefeb381e29c15075441d29cfd4d80ad8134fcf1fc86ab30b2c1fe8e20 bind-chroot-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.i686.rpm da2c82be708cfe74c736e9cdb14013581335ea785e28a5e12bb5fa5a35202275 bind-devel-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.i686.rpm 1129e3cf768d1db8b770285571a414494590e332e8947943c5b4ffd99cf8e283 bind-libs-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.i686.rpm 2b8fffd8e9bdc008c512fb15cdc18d1cb505b467254f1bd97fdee031ff1436df bind-sdb-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.i686.rpm 4ee97055b1b7883e26757449bcabaeb789a5ef25dd851e691c2f8aac6ff34bd3 bind-utils-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.i686.rpm x86_64: d88ede9b22d7c27f07df841fccdd8eaed9a0dbe85980b21759632ca2c8db230c bind-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.x86_64.rpm ebfff0bcf21aa2a85e529312d6aff01b8445fced24f22488d41ecda5fd958e9b bind-chroot-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.x86_64.rpm da2c82be708cfe74c736e9cdb14013581335ea785e28a5e12bb5fa5a35202275 bind-devel-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.i686.rpm a31094c895982cdabd95a1c42fe500eb868591f5caeb2bb70704d8d5fbc44393 bind-devel-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.x86_64.rpm 1129e3cf768d1db8b770285571a414494590e332e8947943c5b4ffd99cf8e283 bind-libs-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.i686.rpm e55f42f8fb4c4d73684951efd4ec5ac3a9f4501e9fde3c7cb56a32b1b4309cce bind-libs-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.x86_64.rpm da18b6ad62c10c1c378a94281a763b07105309d742f538011578b7d25e2006c0 bind-sdb-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.x86_64.rpm 40d049080fbcdbf6d3ac0f894e3b757b2159888a76ed83ee4d1338a21d218226 bind-utils-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.x86_64.rpm Source: 266534fa3fb2497a5d75db5a02be3e767288e30c34fb25382110f747d6d31121 bind-9.8.2-0.10.rc1.el6_3.5.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:26:29 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2012:1362 Critical CentOS 6 thunderbird Update To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Message-ID: <20121013022629.GA16857(a)chakra.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2012:1362 Critical Upstream details at : http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2012-1362.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) i386: 48ed64ad76d4a9fcefbd21bfde5c682356da2c181add71902457b2c02c175d37 thunderbird-10.0.8-2.el6.centos.i686.rpm x86_64: 0eb144dc561a655fcdaba713da7ba34ba79525da8d7fd28a586b0f8f8be1ec0f thunderbird-10.0.8-2.el6.centos.x86_64.rpm Source: 3de262005ece5fe2d41154aae6d9356da1d47c50c2c521ecdcdd2cfa197862ed thunderbird-10.0.8-2.el6.centos.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:27:24 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2012:1361 Critical CentOS 6 xulrunner Update To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Message-ID: <20121013022724.GA16914(a)chakra.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2012:1361 Critical Upstream details at : http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2012-1361.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) i386: 8aa23a90543e93ee6c86f372aca6afd16cbb34bb5e722a4513a9239dbc6b83bd xulrunner-10.0.8-2.el6.centos.i686.rpm 380c9fd816d612458ccbfbc15b1c5dc409332b3ebd05a3ec1b78ca84639ada12 xulrunner-devel-10.0.8-2.el6.centos.i686.rpm x86_64: 8aa23a90543e93ee6c86f372aca6afd16cbb34bb5e722a4513a9239dbc6b83bd xulrunner-10.0.8-2.el6.centos.i686.rpm 2c9c4aa65eb3d3370f7f784f84a4109cd54c3ab2037114a2047f440514f69eaf xulrunner-10.0.8-2.el6.centos.x86_64.rpm 380c9fd816d612458ccbfbc15b1c5dc409332b3ebd05a3ec1b78ca84639ada12 xulrunner-devel-10.0.8-2.el6.centos.i686.rpm 6db35edb582ebb98e306567d4f8e4cc9278f751be4a4dd6636a516bb46ec8d62 xulrunner-devel-10.0.8-2.el6.centos.x86_64.rpm Source: b3f88045de818b05894facfde65e47ca4fe749b49f45312484824a16dad874e2 xulrunner-10.0.8-2.el6.centos.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CentOS-announce mailing list CentOS-announce(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce End of CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 92, Issue 10 ***********************************************

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tacacs+ to radius bridge or proxy or something?
by Eero Volotinen 13 Oct '12

13 Oct '12

Is there any working solution to proxy tacacs+ to radius server? (it can be commercial too?) I found this old project: http://portal-to-web.de/tacacs/, but it is a bit antique? -- Eero

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any good rpm source for tac_plus (tacacs+) server for centos 6?
by Eero Volotinen 13 Oct '12

13 Oct '12

Any good source to tac_plus server for centos 6? thanks, -- Eero

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pdf viewer with bookmarking facility?
by Twanny Azzopardi 13 Oct '12

13 Oct '12

pdf viewer with bookmarking facility?

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migrating from Centos 5.8 -> 6.3 LDAP Client Config
by Götz Reinicke - IT Koordinator 13 Oct '12

13 Oct '12

Hi, I run a Centos 5.8 samba server which uses a separate LDAP centos 6.3 server for user and group authentication. Now we migrate to a new centos 6.3 samba server and I'd like to know how do 'ldapify' that new server the best way. I'm a bit confused if I can use the same nss setup like on the current old server or how and what to configure to go with SSSD? May be someone can point me to a good how to or has some hints/suggetions? Thanks and best regards . Götz -- Götz Reinicke IT-Koordinator www.filmakademie.de

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virt-manager packagekit dependency introduce?
by James B. Byrne 13 Oct '12

13 Oct '12

I recently have begun to see this error when starting virt-manager: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module": libpk-gtk-module.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory yum whatprovides */libpk-gtk-module.so . . . PackageKit-gtk-module-0.5.8-20.el6.i686 : Install fonts automatically using : PackageKit Repo : base Matched from: Filename : /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libpk-gtk-module.so Does anyone know when this dependency was introduced and why was it not satisfied by whatever update introduced it? -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3

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http://bugs.centos.org/print_bug_page.php?bug_id=5897
by James A. Peltier 12 Oct '12

12 Oct '12

Can anyone update me on the status of http://bugs.centos.org/print_bug_page.php?bug_id=5897 I'd really like to know if there is a fix for this as we're trying to get AD/NFSv4 working on 6.3 and having one hell of a time. -- James A. Peltier Manager, IT Services - Research Computing Group Simon Fraser University - Burnaby Campus Phone : 778-782-6573 Fax : 778-782-3045 E-Mail : jpeltier(a)sfu.ca Website : http://www.sfu.ca/itservices http://blogs.sfu.ca/people/jpeltier Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life but as by the obstacles they have overcome. - Booker T. Washington

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