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Re: [CentOS] Non-Gnome desktop
by James B. Byrne 11 Nov '14

11 Nov '14

On Mon, November 10, 2014 14:57, Frank Cox wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:35:05 -0500 > James B. Byrne wrote: > >> Does this Desktop work for anyone else without gnome3 >> installed? What am I leaving out? Am I suppose run some sort of X >> configuration program? > > I've done this a few times now, and it's worked every time: > > Install the Centos 7 Live CD. > > Install epel-release > > Install Mate Desktop > That matches my experience. I can install from the LiveCD with a graphical interface and get KDE and Mate. But I suspect that is because the LiveCD is providing Gnome3. If I use the Minimal install DVD instead then I simply cannot get Mate or KDE to run as desktops without having first installed Gnome3. Neither alternative desktop will work without and both always work with Gnome3 present. -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3

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Re: [CentOS] Centos7 Net install on HP A1710N fails
by david 11 Nov '14

11 Nov '14

At 03:23 PM 11/8/2014, you wrote: >On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Akemi Yagi <amyagi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > The command to display the vendor:device PCI ID is: > > > > lspci -nn | grep -i net > >That was just for the ethernet device. Remove the grep part and you'll >get the IDs for other hardware. > >Akemi Using the LiveCD for Centos 7, the network was "Unknown". The results of the lscpi command gave 00:14.0 Bridge [0680]: Nvidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller [10DE:0269] (Revision A3) However, we could not "define" the ethernet controller and make it usable. David

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Can't get pictures off camera
by Steve Blackwell 11 Nov '14

11 Nov '14

Hi, I'm trying to download some pictures off my camera and I keep getting an error. This used to work at some point although I can't say when. The camera is a Cannon EOS and I plug it in to a USB port and turn it on and I get a dialog box with a title of "Cannon Digital Camera" saying "You have just inserted a medium with digital photos...blah blah...". When I select "open folder" from this drop down list of options it eventually gives me this error message: "The folder contents could not be displayed. Sorry, could not display all the contents of "Cannon Digital Camera": DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. If I select "open digiKam" it appears to do nothing. If I open digiKam first and try to import using what is detects - Cannon EOS 350D (PTP mode) - it never finds anything. The whole time the camera is flashing busy. I don't see anything useful in any of the system logs. Given the error message, I think that something is blocking messages from the camera. I need some help troubleshooting this. Thanks, Steve

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yum/yumex resetting system and bios clock
by g 11 Nov '14

11 Nov '14

greetings, for some strange reason, for the past 6 or more months, when i run yum or yumex, after updates are finished, i see that my clock in panel has been changed. what might be happening? any suggestions as to how to cure problem? thank you for any and all help. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc,hago. g .

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Re: [CentOS] Non-Gnome desktop
by James B. Byrne 10 Nov '14

10 Nov '14

On Mon, November 10, 2014 14:42, m.roth(a)5-cent.us wrote: > Hi, James, > > One thing that puzzles me: > > James B. Byrne wrote: >> So, >> >> 1. I installed a minimal CentOS-7. >> 2. I then installed epel-release. >> 3. I then installed etckeeper from epel. >> 4. I then ran yum update -y. >> 5. I then rebooted (kernel update). >> 6. I then ran "yum groups install "X Window System" >> 7. I then ran "yum groups "MATE Desktop" >> 8. I then ran startx. >> >> Result: Graphical destop wallpaper appears, spinning disc in center for >> 2-3 >> seconds then this: >> >> X.Org X Server 1.15.0 >> Release Date: 2013-12-27 > <SNIP> >> [ 77.150] (II) Loading sub module "fb" >> [ 77.150] (II) LoadModule: "fb" >> [ 77.150] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfb.so >> [ 77.162] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation" >> [ 77.162] compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 1.0.0 >> [ 77.162] ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 >> [ 77.162] (II) Loading sub module "dri2" >> [ 77.162] (II) LoadModule: "dri2" >> [ 77.162] (II) Module "dri2" already built-in >> [ 77.162] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" >> [ 77.162] (II) Unloading modesetting >> [ 77.162] (II) UnloadModule: "fbdev" >> [ 77.162] (II) Unloading fbdev >> [ 77.162] (II) UnloadSubModule: "fbdevhw" >> [ 77.162] (II) Unloading fbdevhw >> [ 77.162] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" >> [ 77.162] (II) Unloading vesa >> [ 77.162] (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp >> [ 77.172] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] Setup complete >> [ 77.172] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i965 >> [ 77.172] (II) intel(0): Allocated new frame buffer 1280x1024 stride >> 5120, >> tiled > <snip> > I don't understand why a) it tries framebuffer, then tries vesa, then > unloads framebuffer, *then* unloads vesa. > > A question, and some thoughts: > 1) what make video card? On board chipset. lspic -vv reports 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: Lenovo Device 3048 . . . > 2) have you tried telling it no framebuffer on the grub kernel line? Not yet. But mate works without rebooting if I install Gnome3 > 3) how 'bout telling it vesa on that line? > 4) what happens if you close an generic /etc/X11/xorg.conf? > What do you mean by 'close an generic ...'? -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3

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Non-Gnome desktop
by James B. Byrne 10 Nov '14

10 Nov '14

So, 1. I installed a minimal CentOS-7. 2. I then installed epel-release. 3. I then installed etckeeper from epel. 4. I then ran yum update -y. 5. I then rebooted (kernel update). 6. I then ran "yum groups install "X Window System" 7. I then ran "yum groups "MATE Desktop" 8. I then ran startx. Result: Graphical destop wallpaper appears, spinning disc in center for 2-3 seconds then this: X.Org X Server 1.15.0 Release Date: 2013-12-27 . . . (==) Using config directory "etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" Initializing built-in extension . . . Initializing built-in extension DR12 Loading extension GLX waiting for X server to shut down (EE) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file. Said log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) contains: X.Org X Server 1.15.0 Release Date: 2013-12-27 [ 76.833] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 [ 76.833] Build Operating System: 2.6.32-220.17.1.el6.x86_64 [ 76.833] Current Operating System: Linux lanet126.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca 3.10.0-123.9.3.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 6 15:06:03 UTC 2014 x86_64 [ 76.833] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-123.9.3.el7.x86_64 root=/dev/mapper/centos_lanet126-root ro crashkernel=auto rd.lvm.lv=centos_lanet126/root vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 vconsole.keymap=us rd.lvm.lv=centos_lanet126/swap rhgb quiet LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 [ 76.833] Build Date: 10 June 2014 01:29:18AM [ 76.833] Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.15.0-7.el7 [ 76.833] Current version of pixman: 0.32.4 [ 76.833] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. [ 76.833] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [ 76.834] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Nov 10 12:05:30 2014 [ 76.844] (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" [ 76.844] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" [ 76.858] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. [ 76.858] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults. [ 76.858] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0) [ 76.858] (**) | |-->Monitor "<default monitor>" [ 76.859] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section". Using a default monitor configuration. [ 76.859] (==) Automatically adding devices [ 76.859] (==) Automatically enabling devices [ 76.859] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices [ 76.862] (==) FontPath set to: catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d, built-ins [ 76.862] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules" [ 76.862] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices. [ 76.862] (II) Loader magic: 0x812020 [ 76.862] (II) Module ABI versions: [ 76.862] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 [ 76.862] X.Org Video Driver: 15.0 [ 76.862] X.Org XInput driver : 20.0 [ 76.862] X.Org Server Extension : 8.0 [ 76.862] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0) [ 76.864] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:2e12:17aa:3048 rev 3, Mem @ 0xfc000000/4194304, 0xe0000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x00001c70/8, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072 [ 76.864] (--) PCI: (0:0:2:1) 8086:2e13:17aa:3048 rev 3, Mem @ 0xfc400000/1048576, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension SHAPE [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension XTEST [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension SYNC [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension XFIXES [ 76.864] Initializing built-in extension RENDER [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension RANDR [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension DOUBLE-BUFFER [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension RECORD [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension DPMS [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension Present [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension X-Resource [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension XVideo [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension XVideo-MotionCompensation [ 76.865] Initializing built-in extension SELinux [ 76.866] Initializing built-in extension XFree86-VidModeExtension [ 76.866] Initializing built-in extension XFree86-DGA [ 76.867] Initializing built-in extension XFree86-DRI [ 76.868] Initializing built-in extension DRI2 [ 76.868] (II) "glx" will be loaded by default. [ 76.868] (WW) "xwayland" is not to be loaded by default. Skipping. [ 76.868] (II) LoadModule: "dri2" [ 76.868] (II) Module "dri2" already built-in [ 76.868] (II) LoadModule: "glamoregl" [ 76.897] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so [ 76.975] (II) Module glamoregl: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 76.975] compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 0.5.1 [ 76.975] ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 [ 76.975] (II) LoadModule: "glx" [ 76.975] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [ 76.977] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 76.977] compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 1.0.0 [ 76.977] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 8.0 [ 76.977] (==) AIGLX enabled [ 76.977] Loading extension GLX [ 76.977] (==) Matched intel as autoconfigured driver 0 [ 76.977] (==) Matched intel as autoconfigured driver 1 [ 76.977] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 2 [ 76.977] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 3 [ 76.977] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 4 [ 76.977] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout [ 76.977] (II) LoadModule: "intel" [ 76.977] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so [ 77.023] (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 77.023] compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 2.21.15 [ 77.023] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 77.023] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 15.0 [ 77.023] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting" [ 77.023] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so [ 77.025] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 77.025] compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 0.8.0 [ 77.025] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 77.025] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 15.0 [ 77.025] (II) LoadModule: "fbdev" [ 77.025] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so [ 77.031] (II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 77.031] compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 0.4.3 [ 77.031] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 77.031] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 15.0 [ 77.031] (II) LoadModule: "vesa" [ 77.031] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so [ 77.035] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 77.035] compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 2.3.2 [ 77.035] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 77.035] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 15.0 [ 77.035] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G, E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G, 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45, 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, HD Graphics, HD Graphics 2000, HD Graphics 3000, HD Graphics 2500, HD Graphics 4000, HD Graphics P4000, HD Graphics 4600, HD Graphics 5000, HD Graphics P4600/P4700, Iris(TM) Graphics 5100, HD Graphics 4400, HD Graphics 4200, Iris(TM) Pro Graphics 5200 [ 77.035] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms [ 77.035] (II) FBDEV: driver for framebuffer: fbdev [ 77.035] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa [ 77.035] (++) using VT number 1 [ 77.047] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [ 77.047] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev [ 77.047] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw" [ 77.047] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw" [ 77.047] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so [ 77.054] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 77.054] compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 0.0.2 [ 77.054] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 15.0 [ 77.054] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa [ 77.054] (II) intel(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section "Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32 [ 77.054] (==) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 [ 77.054] (==) intel(0): RGB weight 888 [ 77.054] (==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor [ 77.054] (--) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Q45/Q43 [ 77.054] (**) intel(0): Relaxed fencing enabled [ 77.054] (**) intel(0): Wait on SwapBuffers? enabled [ 77.054] (**) intel(0): Triple buffering? enabled [ 77.054] (**) intel(0): Framebuffer tiled [ 77.054] (**) intel(0): Pixmaps tiled [ 77.054] (**) intel(0): 3D buffers tiled [ 77.054] (**) intel(0): SwapBuffers wait enabled [ 77.054] (==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe [ 77.098] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 has no monitor section [ 77.100] (II) intel(0): Output HDMI1 has no monitor section [ 77.100] (II) intel(0): Output DP1 has no monitor section [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): EDID for output VGA1 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Manufacturer: BNQ Model: 7659 Serial#: 745 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Year: 2004 Week: 15 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): EDID Version: 1.3 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Analog Display Input, Input Voltage Level: 0.700/0.700 V [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Sync: Separate Composite [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 34 vert.: 27 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Gamma: 2.20 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): redX: 0.637 redY: 0.344 greenX: 0.309 greenY: 0.582 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): blueX: 0.143 blueY: 0.100 whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Supported established timings: [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 720x400@70Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 640x480@60Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 640x480@67Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 640x480@72Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 640x480@75Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 800x600@56Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 800x600@60Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 800x600@72Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 800x600@75Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 832x624@75Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 1024x768@60Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 1024x768@70Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 1024x768@75Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 1280x1024@75Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 1152x864@75Hz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Supported standard timings: [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): #0: hsize: 1152 vsize 864 refresh: 75 vid: 20337 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): #1: hsize: 1280 vsize 1024 refresh: 76 vid: 36993 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): #2: hsize: 1280 vsize 1024 refresh: 60 vid: 32897 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): #3: hsize: 1280 vsize 1024 refresh: 72 vid: 35969 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Supported detailed timing: [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): clock: 108.0 MHz Image Size: 338 x 270 mm [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): h_active: 1280 h_sync: 1328 h_sync_end 1440 h_blank_end 1688 h_border: 0 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): v_active: 1024 v_sync: 1025 v_sync_end 1028 v_blanking: 1066 v_border: 0 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Supported detailed timing: [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): clock: 25.2 MHz Image Size: 304 x 228 mm [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): h_active: 640 h_sync: 656 h_sync_end 752 h_blank_end 800 h_border: 0 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): v_active: 350 v_sync: 387 v_sync_end 389 v_blanking: 449 v_border: 0 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Ranges: V min: 56 V max: 75 Hz, H min: 31 H max: 81 kHz, PixClock max 145 MHz [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Monitor name: BenQ FP731� [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): EDID (in hex): [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 00ffffffffffff0009d15976e9020000 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 0f0e01036c221b78ea00a5a3584f9524 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 195054bfef80714f81908180818c0101 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 010101010101302a009851002a403070 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 1300520e1100001ed50980a0205e6310 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 1060520830e41000001a000000fd0038 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 4b1f510e000a202020202020000000fc [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): 0042656e51204650373331a02020008b [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Printing probed modes for output VGA1 [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x60.0 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz eP) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x76.0 141.81 1280 1376 1512 1744 1024 1025 1028 1070 -hsync +vsync (81.3 kHz) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x75.0 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x72.0 132.84 1280 1368 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1067 -hsync +vsync (76.9 kHz) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1152x864"x75.0 108.00 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x75.1 78.80 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.1 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x70.1 75.00 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (56.5 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "832x624"x74.6 57.28 832 864 928 1152 624 625 628 667 -hsync -vsync (49.7 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x72.2 50.00 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync (48.1 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x75.0 49.50 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2 36.00 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x75.0 31.50 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x72.8 31.50 640 664 704 832 480 489 491 520 -hsync -vsync (37.9 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x66.7 30.24 640 704 768 864 480 483 486 525 -hsync -vsync (35.0 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x60.0 25.20 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "720x400"x70.1 28.32 720 738 846 900 400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e) [ 77.148] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x350"x70.1 25.17 640 656 752 800 350 387 389 449 +hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e) [ 77.150] (II) intel(0): EDID for output HDMI1 [ 77.150] (II) intel(0): EDID for output DP1 [ 77.150] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 connected [ 77.150] (II) intel(0): Output HDMI1 disconnected [ 77.150] (II) intel(0): Output DP1 disconnected [ 77.150] (II) intel(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes [ 77.150] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 using initial mode 1280x1024 +0+0 [ 77.150] (II) intel(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless otherwise stated. [ 77.150] (II) intel(0): Kernel page flipping support detected, enabling [ 77.150] (==) intel(0): DPI set to (96, 96) [ 77.150] (II) Loading sub module "fb" [ 77.150] (II) LoadModule: "fb" [ 77.150] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfb.so [ 77.162] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 77.162] compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 1.0.0 [ 77.162] ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 [ 77.162] (II) Loading sub module "dri2" [ 77.162] (II) LoadModule: "dri2" [ 77.162] (II) Module "dri2" already built-in [ 77.162] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" [ 77.162] (II) Unloading modesetting [ 77.162] (II) UnloadModule: "fbdev" [ 77.162] (II) Unloading fbdev [ 77.162] (II) UnloadSubModule: "fbdevhw" [ 77.162] (II) Unloading fbdevhw [ 77.162] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" [ 77.162] (II) Unloading vesa [ 77.162] (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp [ 77.172] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] Setup complete [ 77.172] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i965 [ 77.172] (II) intel(0): Allocated new frame buffer 1280x1024 stride 5120, tiled [ 77.183] (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations: [ 77.183] (II) solid [ 77.183] (II) copy [ 77.183] (II) composite (RENDER acceleration) [ 77.183] (II) put_image [ 77.183] (II) get_image [ 77.183] (==) intel(0): Backing store enabled [ 77.183] (==) intel(0): Silken mouse enabled [ 77.183] (II) intel(0): Initializing HW Cursor [ 77.183] (II) intel(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message. [ 77.183] (==) intel(0): DPMS enabled [ 77.183] (==) intel(0): Intel XvMC decoder enabled [ 77.183] (II) intel(0): Set up textured video [ 77.183] (II) intel(0): [XvMC] xvmc_vld driver initialized. [ 77.183] (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled [ 77.183] (==) intel(0): hotplug detection: "enabled" [ 77.191] (--) RandR disabled [ 77.196] (II) SELinux: Disabled by boolean [ 77.319] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer [ 77.319] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context [ 77.319] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context_profile [ 77.319] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_create_context_es2_profile [ 77.319] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_INTEL_swap_event [ 77.319] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_swap_control and GLX_MESA_swap_control [ 77.319] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB [ 77.319] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float [ 77.319] (II) AIGLX: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap backed by buffer objects [ 77.319] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized i965 [ 77.319] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0 [ 77.319] (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 338 x 270 [ 77.653] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event1) [ 77.653] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall" [ 77.653] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "system-keyboard" [ 77.653] (II) LoadModule: "evdev" [ 77.653] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so [ 77.658] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 77.658] compiled for 1.15.0, module version = 2.8.2 [ 77.658] Module class: X.Org XInput Driver [ 77.658] ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 20.0 [ 77.658] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button' [ 77.658] (**) Power Button: always reports core events [ 77.658] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event1" [ 77.658] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1 [ 77.658] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys [ 77.658] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard [ 77.658] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input1/event1" [ 77.658] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6) [ 77.658] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" [ 77.658] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc104" [ 77.658] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us,gb" [ 77.658] (**) Option "xkb_variant" "," [ 77.700] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Video Bus (/dev/input/event2) [ 77.700] (**) Video Bus: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall" [ 77.700] (**) Video Bus: Applying InputClass "system-keyboard" [ 77.700] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Video Bus' [ 77.700] (**) Video Bus: always reports core events [ 77.700] (**) evdev: Video Bus: Device: "/dev/input/event2" [ 77.700] (--) evdev: Video Bus: Vendor 0 Product 0x6 [ 77.700] (--) evdev: Video Bus: Found keys [ 77.700] (II) evdev: Video Bus: Configuring as keyboard [ 77.700] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A03:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input2/event2" [ 77.700] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD, id 7) [ 77.700] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" [ 77.700] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc104" [ 77.700] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us,gb" [ 77.700] (**) Option "xkb_variant" "," [ 77.700] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event0) [ 77.700] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall" [ 77.700] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "system-keyboard" [ 77.700] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button' [ 77.700] (**) Power Button: always reports core events [ 77.700] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event0" [ 77.700] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1 [ 77.700] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys [ 77.700] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard [ 77.700] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A03:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input0/event0" [ 77.700] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 8) [ 77.700] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" [ 77.700] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc104" [ 77.700] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us,gb" [ 77.701] (**) Option "xkb_variant" "," [ 77.701] (II) config/udev: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0) [ 77.701] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HID 0b38:000e (/dev/input/event3) [ 77.701] (**) HID 0b38:000e: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall" [ 77.701] (**) HID 0b38:000e: Applying InputClass "system-keyboard" [ 77.701] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'HID 0b38:000e' [ 77.701] (**) HID 0b38:000e: always reports core events [ 77.701] (**) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Device: "/dev/input/event3" [ 77.701] (--) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Vendor 0xb38 Product 0xe [ 77.701] (--) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Found keys [ 77.701] (II) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Configuring as keyboard [ 77.701] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.0/input/input3/event3" [ 77.701] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "HID 0b38:000e" (type: KEYBOARD, id 9) [ 77.701] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" [ 77.701] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc104" [ 77.701] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us,gb" [ 77.701] (**) Option "xkb_variant" "," [ 77.702] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HID 0b38:000e (/dev/input/event4) [ 77.702] (**) HID 0b38:000e: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall" [ 77.702] (**) HID 0b38:000e: Applying InputClass "system-keyboard" [ 77.702] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'HID 0b38:000e' [ 77.702] (**) HID 0b38:000e: always reports core events [ 77.702] (**) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Device: "/dev/input/event4" [ 77.702] (--) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Vendor 0xb38 Product 0xe [ 77.702] (--) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Found 1 mouse buttons [ 77.702] (--) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Found scroll wheel(s) [ 77.702] (--) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Found relative axes [ 77.702] (II) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Forcing relative x/y axes to exist. [ 77.702] (--) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Found absolute axes [ 77.702] (II) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Forcing absolute x/y axes to exist. [ 77.702] (--) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Found keys [ 77.702] (II) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Configuring as mouse [ 77.702] (II) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Configuring as keyboard [ 77.702] (II) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Adding scrollwheel support [ 77.702] (**) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 [ 77.702] (**) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200 [ 77.702] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.1/input/input4/event4" [ 77.702] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "HID 0b38:000e" (type: KEYBOARD, id 10) [ 77.702] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" [ 77.702] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc104" [ 77.702] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us,gb" [ 77.702] (**) Option "xkb_variant" "," [ 77.702] (II) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: initialized for relative axes. [ 77.702] (WW) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: ignoring absolute axes. [ 77.702] (**) HID 0b38:000e: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 [ 77.702] (**) HID 0b38:000e: (accel) acceleration profile 0 [ 77.702] (**) HID 0b38:000e: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000 [ 77.702] (**) HID 0b38:000e: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4 [ 77.702] (II) config/udev: Adding input device USB Optical Mouse (/dev/input/event5) [ 77.702] (**) USB Optical Mouse: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer catchall" [ 77.702] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'USB Optical Mouse' [ 77.702] (**) USB Optical Mouse: always reports core events [ 77.702] (**) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Device: "/dev/input/event5" [ 77.702] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Vendor 0x192f Product 0x916 [ 77.702] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found 3 mouse buttons [ 77.702] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found scroll wheel(s) [ 77.702] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found relative axes [ 77.702] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found x and y relative axes [ 77.702] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Configuring as mouse [ 77.702] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Adding scrollwheel support [ 77.702] (**) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 [ 77.702] (**) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200 [ 77.702] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb3/3-2/3-2:1.0/input/input5/event5" [ 77.702] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "USB Optical Mouse" (type: MOUSE, id 11) [ 77.703] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: initialized for relative axes. [ 77.703] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 [ 77.703] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration profile 0 [ 77.703] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000 [ 77.703] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4 [ 77.703] (II) config/udev: Adding input device USB Optical Mouse (/dev/input/mouse0) [ 77.703] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. [ 77.703] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. [ 77.703] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Rear Mic (/dev/input/event10) [ 77.703] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. [ 77.703] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. [ 77.703] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Front Mic (/dev/input/event11) [ 77.703] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. [ 77.703] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. [ 77.703] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Front Headphone (/dev/input/event7) [ 77.703] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. [ 77.703] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. [ 77.704] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Line Out (/dev/input/event8) [ 77.704] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. [ 77.704] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. [ 77.704] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Line (/dev/input/event9) [ 77.704] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. [ 77.704] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. [ 77.704] (II) config/udev: Adding input device PC Speaker (/dev/input/event6) [ 77.704] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. [ 77.704] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. [ 78.284] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Close [ 78.284] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" [ 78.284] (II) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Close [ 78.284] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" [ 78.284] (II) evdev: HID 0b38:000e: Close [ 78.284] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" [ 78.284] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close [ 78.284] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" [ 78.284] (II) evdev: Video Bus: Close [ 78.284] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" [ 78.284] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close [ 78.284] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" [ 78.356] (EE) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file So, what is going one? Does this Desktop work for anyone else without gnome3 installed? What am I leaving out? Am I suppose run some sort of X configuration program? -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3

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[OT] mail address - centos mail list
by James B. Byrne 10 Nov '14

10 Nov '14

On Fri, November 7, 2014 12:10, Bob Marcan wrote: > Hi. > Your mails to centos mailing list are constantly marked as spam by > gmail.com. > Marking it nospam is annoying and had no effect on gmail filtering. > I can filter it into the proper folder, but this will only fix my problem. > Can you do anything in that matter? > > Best regards, Bob > I do not think that I have any influence over this issue, other than to change email providers and that, for various security reasons, is not going to happen. Nor, for similar reasons, is it feasible for me to have a second email address just for the Centos mailing list since I would be unable to use it from my workplace. I do understand your frustration and I am appreciative of the effort that you took to contact me about it. I wish I had some solution for you that was available to me. The reason that my emails from the CentOS list are marked as spam by Google is that our domain employs DKIM and SPF for outgoing SMTP traffic. The CentOS mailing list manager is the stock Mailman package provided with CentOS. That version mangles the originator's mail headers and body, thus invalidating the DKIM signature. It then sends the message out as originating under the original sender's domain but from an unauthorised SMTP server address, thus triggering the SPF failure. The reasons that this has become an issue is that Google, Yahoo, AOL and I believe Microsoft, began enforcing DMARC to varying degrees beginning last April. Google at least forwards my messages on with a warning. I believe that Yahoo simply blocks all my CentOS list traffic. We have set SPF to a policy of ~all, which is a soft failure. That permits delivery, providing the recipient MX agrees as is the case with Google. It is not permissible for us to authorise an alien IP address as a legitimate source of our SMTP traffic so we cannot eliminate the SPF failure. We can do nothing about the DKIM invalidation since it is Mailman that is changing the headers and appending text to the body after it is signed by our servers. There is a patch for Mailman to resolve the SPF issue and the DKIM issue with respect to headers, but it has not made it into the RedHat distribution. The body mangling issue is in the hands of the mailing list owner. I have raised an issue on this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1095359 I also tried building the new Mailman package for CentOS-6. The problem is that the Mailman project does not follow the FHS. Restructuring the source files to properly package on CentOS is simply beyond my limited skills and time. I suspect that the effort involved is why the issue has not made much progress inside RH either. I am replying to the list as well so that anyone else having the same problem with my traffic is apprised of the cause. With regrets, -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] mail address - centos mail list
by James B. Byrne 10 Nov '14

10 Nov '14

On Sun, November 9, 2014 00:06, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Sat, November 8, 2014 8:35 pm, Stephen Harris wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 05:58:53PM -0800, Keith Keller wrote: >>> The fundamental reason is because Mailman is rewriting the headers in an >>> incompatible way. It is not his site's usage of DKIM. This is a known >>> issue with Mailman. (I used to have a good link explaining the issue, >>> but can't find it now; if I find it later I'll post it.) >> >> So we have a 20-year old piece of technology ("mailman") and a modern >> proposal ("DKIM")... and somehow it's mailman's fault. Uh huh. >> >> Note; it's not just mailman that has problems, it's _any_ mail forwarder. >> Going back 27 years to my first Unix account, I could create a file called >> ".forward" that would forward my mail to another address. This is BROKEN >> by DKIM. > > Any constructive suggestion how to deal with e-mail of people who moved > on? Forwarding is a a solution. What is suggested instead (in the realm of > DKIM)? > > Valeri > If you want to read intelligent people throwing tantrums search at the IETF mailing list archives for DKIM, DMARC and SPF; and read; and weep. The problem that DMARC, DKIM, and SPF seek to solve is intractable. So long as the cost of email is borne by the recipients and there are no sensible restrictions of the volume of traffic a single source can generate then unwanted email is going to be created and transmitted. All of this jiggery-pokery respecting message signing and sender policy frameworks just shows how intractable it is. DMARC is. . ., well I do not know what benefit one obtains by discovering that some IP address on mainland China is again purporting to belong to our domain and sending out email. What news! Next someone will tell me that not everything on the Internet is factual!! In our case we believe a more pressing problem has to do with authenticated connections between mail servers and the whole sorry mess that is CA driven PKI. The certs and signatures for PKI have to be moved into DNS RRs so that the current system of privately owned CAs just goes away. It is totally flawed as it assumes, and requires, a strict hierarchy for identification. That vision simply does not describe the Internet. Anything that will work for identification on the Internet ultimately will have to resemble DNS. For SMTP the mail server that connects should always use STARTTLS and have its IP address reverse checked against its A RR to locate an associated RR something like SSHFP. That then is used to verify its identity and the validity of its certificate. No match no traffic. That will not solve SPAM and UCEM but that is not the point. It will guarantee that our traffic is moving along verifiable routes and that, for us, is very important. That also, as a side effect, would hide email headers (meta data) on all point to point connections. Our observations with respect to our own servers are that for correspondents running their own mail servers all, or virtually all, of those connections presently are point to point. As for the poor sots that have handed over their email service management to Google and the the like. Well those people have nothing to hide. Which is a good thing for them. Because everything they transmit is open to inspection by third parties, trusted or not. And kept forever, whether they wish it or not. -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] mail address - centos mail list
by James B. Byrne 10 Nov '14

10 Nov '14

On Sat, November 8, 2014 21:35, Stephen Harris wrote: > On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 05:58:53PM -0800, Keith Keller wrote: >> The fundamental reason is because Mailman is rewriting the headers in an >> incompatible way. It is not his site's usage of DKIM. This is a known >> issue with Mailman. (I used to have a good link explaining the issue, >> but can't find it now; if I find it later I'll post it.) > > So we have a 20-year old piece of technology ("mailman") and a modern > proposal ("DKIM")... and somehow it's mailman's fault. Uh huh. > > Note; it's not just mailman that has problems, it's _any_ mail forwarder. > Going back 27 years to my first Unix account, I could create a file called > ".forward" that would forward my mail to another address. This is BROKEN > by DKIM. > > Basically DKIM is incompatible with how internet email works. > > But here's the thing... I think DKIM has a potential future; we need to > _change_ how the internet works. So mailman will need to be rewritten; > mail forwarders will need to change. And so on. > Mailman already has been updated to ameliorate the situation. The patches are applied to the main trunk and the version has been updated. However, CentOS is, as we all know and love, a decidedly conservative collection of software. In my opinion it is unlikely that we will see any changes to Mailman's behaviour in 6 and possibly not until 8, although I think it probable that Mailman will be updated for this in 7 at some point. For the nonce we set SPF policy to softfail and our DKIM policy is quarantine. Thus Google is doing the right thing by flagging my messages through CentOS.org as suspect but forwarding them on for delivery nonetheless. So long as the MX treatment of my messages is consistent and still permits delivery then Google places the disposition in the hands of the recipient. Yahoo on the other hand does not. If there is an SPF failure then the messages are discarded. I am not sure what effect, if any, DKIM has on Yahoo. To handle Yahoo subscribers to any ML that we run internally we arbitrarily subscribe those addresses to the digest versions. -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3

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Re: [CentOS] Non-gnome desktops on CentOS-7
by James B. Byrne 10 Nov '14

10 Nov '14

On Fri, November 7, 2014 15:41, Les Mikesell wrote: >> Op 07-11-14 om 21:13 schreef James B. Byrne: >>> >>> I am a bit bewildered that neither the official KDE from centos nor the >>> semi-official mate from epel pull in as part of their install the Xserver. > > There is never any reason to assume that the display (needing the > Xserver) is on the same machine as the desktop or application being > displayed. X has always worked just fine over networks. > Yes, I understand that. However, when one installs a 'Gnome Desktop' one in fact gets a GUI that runs on that system. When one installs "KDE Plasma whatever' one does not. If one does 'yum grouplist' on CentOS-7 there is no 'KDE Desktop' displayed as there is for CentOS-6. > > I haven't tried that on a machine that does not also have the gnome > desktop installed, though. But both KDE and MATE should be > alternatives you can choose at login if you have all of them > installed. > Yes, I have already discovered that if one installs Gnome first then the other desktops begin to work as well. I just cannot seem to get either alternative to run if Gnome is not installed before the others. And the semantics here are that if I install KDE or Mate first and then install Gnome neither KDE nor Mate can be started from the command line as I wish to. I am scratching the CentOS-7 system and starting again with a minimal install. -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3

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