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CentOs 7.0 and reboot failure
by Gregory P. Ennis 02 Dec '14

02 Dec '14

Everyone, I have installed Centos 7.0 on my homework machine in order to take a test drive with it, and am low on the learning curve with it at this point. I have a small Gateway SX2855-UB12P. I have a critical hurdle in that when I try a reboot or when I do a 'shutdown now -r' command the system will start a reboot process but hangs right after the os choices are presented. My install process started with the server version, and I added the gnome desktop latter. I also changed the boot level to 5. Has anyone else had this problem, or any suggestions as to a remedy. Thanks, Greg Ennis

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Centos7 ds-389
by Johan Vermeulen 02 Dec '14

02 Dec '14

Hello All, I'm looking at setting up ds-389 on both Centos6.6 en Centos7, both minimal installs with epel repo enabled. When running yum search ds-389 on Centos7 I get only 3 packages, 389-ds-base 389-ds-base-devel 389-ds-base-libs On Centos6.6 I get the whole list: 389-ds.noarch : 389 Directory, Administration, and Console Suite 389-ds-base.x86_64 : 389 Directory Server (base) 389-ds-base-devel.i686 : Development libraries for 389 Directory Server 389-ds-base-devel.x86_64 : Development libraries for 389 Directory Server 389-ds-base-libs.i686 : Core libraries for 389 Directory Server 389-ds-base-libs.x86_64 : Core libraries for 389 Directory Server 389-ds-console.noarch : 389 Directory Server Management Console 389-ds-console-doc.noarch : Web docs for 389 Directory Server Management Console 389-dsgw.x86_64 : 389 Directory Server Gateway (dsgw) Is this a change in policy? I apologise if this has been answered before. A quick google did not provide an answer. Greetings, Johan -- Johan Vermeulen IT-medewerker Powered by Linux.

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CentOS6 gvfs disk thrashing
by isdtor 01 Dec '14

01 Dec '14

We recently started upgrading users' workstations to CentOS6. Now we've come across an interesting issue: ~user/.local/share/gvfs-metadata is filling up with tons of files. Once there are around 69270 of them, no more are being created, and the NetApp filer the user's home is on logs: Directory ..../user/.local/share/gvfs-metadata/ reached the maxdirsize limit. Reduce the number of files or use the vol options command to increase this limit.. Nearly all of the files are exactly 32k in size and they are named .openXXXXXX. All of them are being created within the same range of timestamps, with a time that's in the past. I.e. even when deleted, they are being recreated with these timestamps. drwx------ 2 user group 5353472 Nov 15 17:39 ./ drwxr-xr-x 5 user group 4096 Oct 29 11:05 ../ -rw-r--r-- 25699 user group 32768 Nov 11 17:11 .open0018OX -rw-r--r-- 42962 user group 32768 Nov 11 17:10 .open0019OX -rw-r--r-- 42962 user group 32768 Nov 11 17:10 .open002EPX -rw-r--r-- 42962 user group 32768 Nov 11 17:10 .open002GPX -rw-r--r-- 25699 user group 32768 Nov 11 17:11 .open002OPX -rw-r--r-- 42962 user group 32768 Nov 11 17:10 .open0037OX -rw-r--r-- 42962 user group 32768 Nov 11 17:10 .open003MPX -rw-r--r-- 42962 user group 32768 Nov 11 17:10 .open004NPX -rw-r--r-- 25699 user group 32768 Nov 11 17:11 .open0067OX According to lsof, the only processes operating in this directory are a few instances of nautilus and /usr/libexec/gvfsd-metadata. There's a whole bunch of gvfs* processes running user 21209 1 0 Nov11 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/gvfsd user 21549 1 0 Nov11 ? 00:03:17 /usr/libexec/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.2 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/0 user 21788 1 0 Nov11 ? 00:00:06 /usr/libexec/gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor user 21829 1 0 Nov11 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor user 21849 1 0 Nov11 ? 00:00:25 /usr/libexec/gvfs-afc-volume-monitor user 22150 1 0 Nov11 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/gvfsd-metadata user 22323 1 0 Nov11 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/gvfsd-burn --spawner :1.2 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/1 Does anyone have an idea what's going on here? And how to stop it?

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promotion
by Hadi Motamedi 29 Nov '14

29 Nov '14

Dear All In the office , I am using centos on my workstation and I want to promote my colleagues to use this os on their pc as well. Can you please let me have a reference link on a good web page that has compared centos with windows and has highlighted its excellent feature ? Thank you

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CentOS 6.6: Webcam problem
by bax bax 29 Nov '14

29 Nov '14

Hi I have a lenovo w530 laptop with integrated camera. with the new kernel 2.6.32-504.el6.x86_64 webcam dont' works on /var/log/messages i can see: localhost kernel: uvcvideo: Failed to submit URB 0 (-28). If I boot with old kernels webcam is ok can I fix it? can someone file a bug report? thanks

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Problems with deleting a reference in 389DS
by Kevin Thorpe 29 Nov '14

29 Nov '14

Hi, I'm having problems deleting something from 389DS. At one point I had a link to use an external LDAP server for authentication for a particular client. I now need to delete this but I am having trouble. Firstly I can't find this object in either the directory manager or ldapadmin. I can see the object using db2ldif: # entry-id: 1838 dn: cn=bloggsco,dc=mycompany,dc=com objectClass: top objectClass: groupofuniquenames objectClass: referral cn: Algeco creatorsName: cn=directory manager modifiersName: cn=directory manager createTimestamp: 20130410154401Z modifyTimestamp: 20130410154518Z nsUniqueId: 6b12f481-a1f511e2-a5a7b2a9-738d4470 ref: ldap://ldap.bloggsco.com:389/ou%3dUsers,o%3dbloggsco,c%3dcom I can find the entry with ldapsearch: [root@logger ~]# ldapsearch -D "cn=Directory Manager" -w mypassword -p 389 -h localhost -s sub -b dc=mycompany,dc=com -x dn=cn=bloggsco,dc=mycompany,dc=com # extended LDIF # # LDAPv3 # base <dc=mycompany,dc=com> with scope subtree # filter: dn=cn=bloggsco,dc=mycompany,dc=com # requesting: ALL # # search reference ref: ldap://ldap.bloggsco.com:389/ou%3dUsers,o%3dbloggsco,c%3dcom # search result search: 2 result: 0 Success # numResponses: 2 # numReferences: 1 but I can't delete with ldapdelete: [root@logger ~]# ldapdelete -D "cn=Directory Manager" -w mypassword -p 389 -h localhost -x dn=cn=bloggsco,dc=mycompany,dc=com ldap_delete: No such object (32) matched DN: dc=mycompany,dc=com any ideas? *Kevin Thorpe*

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How can apply to be Volunteer in CentOS project
by hesham fawzy 29 Nov '14

29 Nov '14

Dear All kindly please tell me , How can apply to be Volunteer in CentOS project Best regards.. Hesham Mohamed

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Re: [CentOS] What's up with Firefox/Thundrebird
by James B. Byrne 28 Nov '14

28 Nov '14

On Fri, November 28, 2014 00:53, Mark LaPierre wrote: > > So, how can I blow away or correct that corrupted history db? > Try using the Places Maintenance Add-on for Firefox (and Thunderbird I should imagine). https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/places-maintenance/?src=api -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3

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CentOS 6.6 Displays "return: Command not found" in Terminal
by Brian Bernard 27 Nov '14

27 Nov '14

Hello, Ever since I updated my x86_64 system from CentOS 6.5 to 6.6, I have when I open a terminal, four lines of 'return: Command not found' diplayed. I'm at a loss as to why this is, and was wondering if there is a command I can use to find out what is causing it, and hopefully fix this issue. Brian Bernard

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CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 117, Issue 15
by centos-announce-request＠centos.org 26 Nov '14

26 Nov '14

Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-announce(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Infra - CentOS wiki migration (Fabian Arrotin) 2. CEBA-2014:1901 CentOS 7 kde-settings FASTTRACK BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes) 3. CEBA-2014:1896 CentOS 7 setroubleshoot FASTTRACK BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes) 4. CEBA-2014:1900 CentOS 7 harfbuzz FASTTRACK BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes) 5. CEBA-2014:1907 CentOS 7 selinux-policy BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes) 6. CEBA-2014:1909 CentOS 6 lvm2 BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:32:08 +0100 From: Fabian Arrotin <arrfab(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] Infra - CentOS wiki migration Message-ID: <547484D8.2080103(a)centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Due to a hardware replacement, we'll have to move the existing CentOS wiki (aka http://wiki.centos.org) to a new node. Migration is scheduled for Thursday November 27th, 12:00 pm UTC time. You can convert to local time with $(date -d '2014-11-27 12:00 UTC') The expected "downtime" is estimated to ~15 minutes , time needed to update/propagate updated dns A record + data synchronisation on the new node. Thanks for your comprehending and patience. on behalf of the Infra team, - -- Fabian Arrotin The CentOS Project | http://www.centos.org gpg key: 56BEC54E | twitter: @arrfab -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlR0hNcACgkQnVkHo1a+xU4gyQCcDgTwy6ZL33UM5wNUXKFCUy7V eU4Aniy4SF0ctJE0qX22UFN14vG/bMCB =/4d/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:51:50 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2014:1901 CentOS 7 kde-settings FASTTRACK BugFix Update Message-ID: <20141126115150.GA4922(a)n04.lon1.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2014:1901 Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2014-1901.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: 22fd69000f3b1b52656b83fd0921a779e6162f1fbc4b7bd77e2cc60c52a1c71e kde-settings-19-23.5.el7.noarch.rpm 404b2de34393c5a2544ff5f654022d6c4b205a97bf7e2c3a42b237d57e14bc3d kde-settings-ksplash-19-23.5.el7.noarch.rpm fe48755c49d51e8813f46270f5a4372f7756f9624d2d114e8c26d0925f6fea65 kde-settings-minimal-19-23.5.el7.noarch.rpm d0bfadb90fb9d24298963656f3fb19daf0057bdd21134ed2b6bd8b1a4ec51322 kde-settings-plasma-19-23.5.el7.noarch.rpm 3c9bc6fe40190aec4c788668cc3f83efe9035066dcddad9b1d6e3e7928dd7db9 kde-settings-pulseaudio-19-23.5.el7.noarch.rpm b018be25621a9edf5d2da49dd58d4e0cad5b05078214bb4ab69a9ce755c16252 qt-settings-19-23.5.el7.noarch.rpm Source: 6b8163d29dc6c2cc3314b4b119b86fa7790673f8c9274907c661a1a996a02e24 kde-settings-19-23.5.el7.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:52:03 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2014:1896 CentOS 7 setroubleshoot FASTTRACK BugFix Update Message-ID: <20141126115203.GA4995(a)n04.lon1.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2014:1896 Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2014-1896.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: 7b560fad03a31da9fd4db79e1aa7bad3a5bc0f64d81ec54fe18592ab958ed8b6 setroubleshoot-3.2.17-3.el7.i686.rpm e275f7072f6ee661343dd6cfb4b18c2689126816aed16ebfa254fc42afbb78ee setroubleshoot-3.2.17-3.el7.x86_64.rpm 149b9639b3a53e7967671a02b90869433117b8559a404e515e01749e0edc1784 setroubleshoot-server-3.2.17-3.el7.i686.rpm 6a3dd71b8498502744cb72a04228de72a0c6f01052ebb442ee9d94faceec7f4b setroubleshoot-server-3.2.17-3.el7.x86_64.rpm Source: e93f66ce2a7dddcf7add77ebe7ebd6afa15fec9682ff649303d3badd1ff53597 setroubleshoot-3.2.17-3.el7.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:52:15 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2014:1900 CentOS 7 harfbuzz FASTTRACK BugFix Update Message-ID: <20141126115215.GA5072(a)n04.lon1.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2014:1900 Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2014-1900.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: e332d4c5d6f398bb5d8a71785cafbf2f9a7322ef55d4d3d7fb4d76aa28a2a2e9 harfbuzz-0.9.20-4.el7.i686.rpm fccd66f1a335ed6bcadf985bf1cc18af3a7c30cbfb7f3acda7652e81cc1c7d59 harfbuzz-0.9.20-4.el7.x86_64.rpm bfb3f17e9c757f3c6862945f97d9b2f22a5f8825333bb3b0ec5900839af2ef99 harfbuzz-devel-0.9.20-4.el7.i686.rpm 4ce1c45d76d1e5528a98ed995b1a0f728c4ee3d03f544920ce929add8dac632c harfbuzz-devel-0.9.20-4.el7.x86_64.rpm 14273a2aea7acafef5305f0f17e44b2045ea0138e6c22edfb9e962391b00d474 harfbuzz-icu-0.9.20-4.el7.i686.rpm aa0764aebcfffc97c1d7d1c516fd313d59e1a3d8fec2b969a09e8fb4d5c53c45 harfbuzz-icu-0.9.20-4.el7.x86_64.rpm Source: 03b6dcf716815d426d8ce79670e91a3ffc9ee3667cecbb97fec223c4549865c2 harfbuzz-0.9.20-4.el7.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:52:37 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2014:1907 CentOS 7 selinux-policy BugFix Update Message-ID: <20141126115237.GA5181(a)n04.lon1.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2014:1907 Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2014-1907.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: d74b5e836e648e18acac3df8cfa94b13e2f774ef7400f9bbe1b83751fa3c4f66 selinux-policy-3.12.1-153.el7_0.12.noarch.rpm 76eadf992e7d3d9ef91f866d416c63af552545296082f864920a44e85e3a07bf selinux-policy-devel-3.12.1-153.el7_0.12.noarch.rpm 4c382caa9311a3982eddb0f28118dcbdb11819f13f05d59c12e29e5c2fa54676 selinux-policy-doc-3.12.1-153.el7_0.12.noarch.rpm 6e72843e3826d8b530ba54c0d380fe403169d06dfab5008d059b1e554d02259f selinux-policy-minimum-3.12.1-153.el7_0.12.noarch.rpm 3505b9b045c90e05701d1ea3a80cbbe3506850d07ab3160a1e1fc75aada38b53 selinux-policy-mls-3.12.1-153.el7_0.12.noarch.rpm 004ec9e3eb1582f6b9c683262c910c1b19df450dd5cd71f3ca65e35242ff8ad8 selinux-policy-sandbox-3.12.1-153.el7_0.12.noarch.rpm 5dba0881ce57fe15bfac8269a21e2461b1e3c59b7928b1ed322d941f593b467b selinux-policy-targeted-3.12.1-153.el7_0.12.noarch.rpm Source: ae8cc604a810f92c5dfeb0084691b9be52c33a5569bc0c78e4b524031ca3f827 selinux-policy-3.12.1-153.el7_0.12.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:53:57 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2014:1909 CentOS 6 lvm2 BugFix Update Message-ID: <20141126115357.GA5355(a)n04.lon1.karan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2014:1909 Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2014-1909.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) i386: d09e7161ad601bb9d629badba2d6f3bd036a08deb4077400856f5b040a3b36b7 cmirror-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm 4f542b3d8a1c3ffbe2ed44a236382ca7dea20dab1940c9c57239301382422586 device-mapper-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm 6d30e3f5857503b6aa9a4db6421d2d58ed60bb1ffe31f4c889a7e41087bfeba0 device-mapper-devel-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm 05906e091b670ab560466a6afb7ed617879ebe25e4b30153680220007713e79f device-mapper-event-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm 47b9cf6e4c6336cfe5cc7d0e8cf5dc54ff70433e205ba8966c1c6a144b884efb device-mapper-event-devel-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm b1fef2ae69ea76ee98aa3d4590b657707921d594316b96d91a6d311a7c1c63fe device-mapper-event-libs-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm 2c5299b489e1f102acb49276e86ce79cf7c2d231a6840f5f45cf99278833e8bb device-mapper-libs-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm 5d7f1b8adfaad64cd19449ae1fc05acc042fa28a6815ff8abf67840ac8a127ab lvm2-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm bf9744ac089856a74c6666b1f9938c44c6103e4aa97897bbb8156bbd79692bd0 lvm2-cluster-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm 8e98cb35f8ba38df1b44efe2e39f0c552b93fcf428b200eaf437b0a217844d9d lvm2-devel-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm a621878685a39204e980c57f2d2425c6da6c4b86745bffa1d0edce1bc4fc9efb lvm2-libs-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm x86_64: f7d493bfa293e67983c7f054d4d3dc393b36f9b2ecebf0726b3f389c7ccac7a3 cmirror-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm 95bee22d68d67c2b3039c38890418446b3cca544b2145949e323bcdc9601ed77 device-mapper-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm 6d30e3f5857503b6aa9a4db6421d2d58ed60bb1ffe31f4c889a7e41087bfeba0 device-mapper-devel-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm 721eae62652da081eb3d1d47955935a78e472b8ea51cbf3135f2e42643802104 device-mapper-devel-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm bdf3c963d7bf9da696931e07844806f26983128db6d7484f9ff7276c09c11c36 device-mapper-event-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm 47b9cf6e4c6336cfe5cc7d0e8cf5dc54ff70433e205ba8966c1c6a144b884efb device-mapper-event-devel-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm b3caf081503459a995bb5519849553321b4b1070d4b46d4430a2e613a1c8af3a device-mapper-event-devel-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm b1fef2ae69ea76ee98aa3d4590b657707921d594316b96d91a6d311a7c1c63fe device-mapper-event-libs-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm 077ec96db31cd4b12792a6e465d00992170a079477175d95ad48e54f0f4a2a6d device-mapper-event-libs-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm 2c5299b489e1f102acb49276e86ce79cf7c2d231a6840f5f45cf99278833e8bb device-mapper-libs-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm c4df432798269fc0a9fce574782081d3831f687b7d8033dfdec9505cd5471755 device-mapper-libs-1.02.90-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm 63fadfa1767f7e1cf729808d7523726b03337fddbc064e3aae26661510d9422d lvm2-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm d21383a0dddd145558814c009277a133e2a776cf31164a2af44638ccbbd0567a lvm2-cluster-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm 8e98cb35f8ba38df1b44efe2e39f0c552b93fcf428b200eaf437b0a217844d9d lvm2-devel-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm 1636d894263d2845691cf014482a03d1fd1b2f90c967c9efb7e13b3e1f5bd41c lvm2-devel-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm a621878685a39204e980c57f2d2425c6da6c4b86745bffa1d0edce1bc4fc9efb lvm2-libs-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.i686.rpm e5e3ba02a6627b458bdb9f7aefa01033186f75de1a076422e7138e0b3694fb74 lvm2-libs-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm Source: 03c0c675e64beed47696f8f5263a5c8242ecf11c4729ecd228feb7ea3fe206e7 lvm2-2.02.111-2.el6_6.1.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CentOS-announce mailing list CentOS-announce(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce End of CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 117, Issue 15 ************************************************

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