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ContOS 8 is dead. Viva Rocky Linux!
by Lists 10 Dec '20

10 Dec '20

The list is swamped with news about CentOS 8 dying in a year and becoming stream Linux. IWeve been here before, folks. I remember when Red Hat Linux disappeared to become the Feodra / Red Hat Enterprise we know today, which gave birth to White Box Enterprise Linux, Scientific Linux, and CentOS. WBEL and SL slowly faded and CentOS won out. And then CentOS, eventually folding into RedHat, promised everyone that it had the support of Red Hat - now part of IBM. Well, now we're back to the big announcement: Red Hat (IBM) is going to mix it up again. And now, as before, come the clones: Rocky Linux has been announced... https://www.reddit.com/r/RockyLinux/comments/ka0qlv/ meet_rocky_linux_new_rhel_fork_by_the_original/ If history is any guide, you'll change a line somewhere in /etc/yum.d and then run yum update to switch over. That's how I switched from WBEL to SL to CentOS, way back in CentOS 3 or 4 days. (I don't even remember which one anymore) The more things change, the more they stay exactly the same... Ben

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Missing intel/sof/sof-cml.ri for CentOS 8.3
by Kay Schenk 10 Dec '20

10 Dec '20

Hello all-- I recently did a bulk update from 8.2 to 8.3. I am having some odd issues with it not recognizing my NVIDIA Quadro P1X00 graphics card properly. In graphical mode, it only shows ONE display resolution and also my system can not find firmware -- intel/sof/sof-cml.ri Any idea about what to do flor either of these issues? Thanks. -- "Don't let anyone dull your sparkle." ________________________________________ MzK

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dnf script to cherry pick updates and maintain RHEL compatibility
by Frank Cox 09 Dec '20

09 Dec '20

Here's an idea, though I don't know if it would be practical. I assume that at some point everything that goes into RHEL and its "official" updates travels through the Stream ecosystem beforehand. So what about the idea of maintaining (somewhere) a list of official updates to RHEL as they are released, and then have some kind of a dnf enhancement or script that reads that list and updates a local Centos installation using only the rpms on the list and ignoring everything else. Stuff that's released to Stream would be downloaded and installed at the point where it has been released for RHEL and not before. That would (I think) keep your Centos installation in sync with RHEL. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com

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Stream questions
by James Szinger 09 Dec '20

09 Dec '20

I have a couple of questions about CentOS Stream. 1. Is there list for update announcements? Something similar to updates(a)fedoraproject.org. 2. Since both CentOS and EPEL are Red Hat projects, will Red Hat provide an EPEL version compatible with CentOS Stream? Jim

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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] CentOS 8 future
by Leon Fauster 09 Dec '20

09 Dec '20

Am 09.12.20 um 20:28 schrieb Jon Pruente: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:24 AM Leon Fauster via CentOS > <centos(a)centos.org <mailto:centos@centos.org>> wrote: > > > The relatively fewer that are on CentOS Linux 8 have some > decisions to > > make. The end of 2021 is sooner than they were expecting *but* > there is > > a fully available upgrade path from CentOS Linux 8 to CentOS > Stream 8 > > (IE: not a reinstall), and that will take them to 2024. That's > half of > > the 10 years they might have expected, but it should let them give > > Stream a try and see if it is for them or not. > > If "Stream" is the base for the next RHEL8.x where are the updates > until > 2029 coming from, when CentOS Stream 8 will be shutdown at 2024? > > > I think you've confused some dates, unless you have a link to the > 2024 date for Stream 8. CentOS 7 will continue until 2024. CentOS Stream > 8 doesn't have a clear EOL, but it is presumably at or before the end of > RHEL 8 in 2029. CentOS 8 EOL has been yanked back to 2021. > > https://centos.org/centos-stream/ <https://centos.org/centos-stream/> > > End-of-life > > N/A No, its exactly as I said: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-December/352340.html https://centos.org/distro-faq/#q13-can-i-start-up-a-sig-that-will-maintain-… (full-support -> 2024). -- Leon

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CentOS Stream & Release Notes / Documentation
by Chris Schanzle 09 Dec '20

09 Dec '20

One thing I have not seen discussed is how users will be notified of changes to functionality and new features in CentOS Stream. With Stream being on the leading edge of a release as opposed to following, will there be some mechanism where changes are blogged about, Beta release notes, or something similar? Thanks again to JohnnyH and the rest of the team for a great ride.

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strange RPM dependency observed in CentOS 7
by Walter H. 09 Dec '20

09 Dec '20

Hello, can someone explain, why the two packages - GeoIP - geoipupdate are needed when installing the bind-utils package? yum install bind-utils ... ======================================================================================================================== Package Arch Version Repository Size ======================================================================================================================== Installing: bind-utils x86_64 32:9.11.4-26.P2.el7_9.2 base 260 k Installing for dependencies: GeoIP x86_64 1.5.0-14.el7 base 1.5 M bind-libs x86_64 32:9.11.4-26.P2.el7_9.2 base 157 k bind-libs-lite x86_64 32:9.11.4-26.P2.el7_9.2 base 1.1 M bind-license noarch 32:9.11.4-26.P2.el7_9.2 base 90 k geoipupdate x86_64 2.5.0-1.el7 base 35 k Transaction Summary ======================================================================================================================== Install 1 Package (+5 Dependent packages) ... Thanks, Walter

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CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 189, Issue 2
by centos-announce-request＠centos.org 09 Dec '20

09 Dec '20

Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-announce(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream (Rich Bowen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 09:08:05 -0500 From: Rich Bowen <rbowen(a)redhat.com> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream Message-ID: <e67aae14-83d8-1d69-5333-2a208e71f023(a)redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we?ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS Linux 7, and we?ll continue to produce that version through the remainder of the RHEL 7 life cycle. https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL. And it removes confusion around what ?CentOS? means in the Linux distribution ecosystem. When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases. If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options. We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of project focus might affect you. [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-ent…] ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ CentOS-announce mailing list CentOS-announce(a)centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce ------------------------------ End of CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 189, Issue 2 ***********************************************

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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] CentOS 8 future
by Leon Fauster 09 Dec '20

09 Dec '20

Am 09.12.20 um 04:18 schrieb Mike McGrath: > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:30 PM Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel > <centos-devel(a)centos.org <mailto:centos-devel@centos.org>> wrote: > > Am 08.12.20 um 23:22 schrieb Matthew Miller: > > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 12:44:36PM -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage > via CentOS wrote: > >>> CentOS 8's future is not looking bright. Recently deployed > CentOS8 on my > >>> production workload and now hearing this. What do other folks think > >>> about this? > >> Speaking only for myself, I am ready to give up on CentOS (and > Red Hat) > >> entirely. Fedora meets all my clients' needs with none of the chaos. > > > > I definitely appreciate the vote of confidence in Fedora! You're > not alone > > in using Fedora in a lot of serious ways. > > > > However, I really encourage everyone to give this a chance. This is > > (post-Fedora) RHEL development opening up in a new way, and CentOS is > > central to it. That's a good place to be! > > > > > > Its important to distinguish two aspects here in this whole discussion. > > Its great that RH opens their "firewalls". CentOS Stream is great > for that but what actually pissed the people off is the termination > of CentOS8 Linux. So all arguments for C8S doesn't touch the problem > that people have now. And no - C8S is not a valid substitution. Its > valid for a different usage scenario that is of course worth to get a > chance but the mentioned problem don't get addressed ... > > > I agree the timing of this isn't great but keep in mind the vast > majority of CentOS users are on CentOS Linux 7, they have the full > lifecycle they expected. > > The relatively fewer that are on CentOS Linux 8 have some decisions to > make. The end of 2021 is sooner than they were expecting *but* there is > a fully available upgrade path from CentOS Linux 8 to CentOS Stream 8 > (IE: not a reinstall), and that will take them to 2024. That's half of > the 10 years they might have expected, but it should let them give > Stream a try and see if it is for them or not. If "Stream" is the base for the next RHEL8.x where are the updates until 2029 coming from, when CentOS Stream 8 will be shutdown at 2024? -- Leon

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Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?
by Karl Vogel 09 Dec '20

09 Dec '20

>> On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 12:54:32 -0500, >> Frank Cox <theatre(a)sasktel.net> might just possibly have said: F> Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos? I'm asking because genuinely F> don't know; I've never paid any attention to Oracle's Linux offering F> before now. I've used Unix/Linux at Wright-Patterson AFB, USA since 1988 -- this includes Solaris starting at 2.5.1 up to 11, FreeBSD, and Linux. I used CentOS for several years and I'm a refugee simply because it was easier to get something containing the name "Oracle" approved for use on base. (All the stupid sh*t you've heard about gov't procurement is true.) I *despise* Oracle the company, but I ran Oracle Linux as both a server for an Oracle DB and as my workstation starting Jan 2018 after a drive failure knocked my machine out of the park. Occasionally I had to dork around looking for a source RPM, but other than that I was fine with it. You use "yum" like anywhere else. FWIW, my 6.10 installation had this in /etc/redhat-release: Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 6.10 (Santiago) Go to https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/, poke around a bit, and you end up here: https://yum.oracle.com/oracle-linux-downloads.html I just went to the ISO page and I can grab whatever I like without signing up for anything, so nothing's changed since I first used it. I use FreeBSD on my home systems to avoid precisely this kind of crap, so this is *NOT* a recommendation for Oracle in general -- be ready for them to change the rules at any time. Finally, I've been on this list for many years -- Johnny H. is the most responsive and least arrogant person I've ever seen, so please don't pee in his Wheaties. -- Karl Vogel / vogelke AT pobox.com / I don't speak for the USAF or any company Mangled song lyric: I can't climb this ceiling any more. Actual lyric: I can't fight this feeling anymore. (REO Speedwagon)

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