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Re: [CentOS] remote command execution
by Ross S. W. Walker 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

I got the BSD and negate forms mixed up and forgot the &. C:\rsh host "stty -hup; command&" -Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org <centos-bounces(a)centos.org> To: centos(a)centos.org <centos(a)centos.org> Sent: Mon Mar 17 18:27:58 2008 Subject: Re: [CentOS] remote command execution Use rsh and in the remote command preface it with stty -nohup, like such: C:\rsh <host> "stty -nohup;<command>" This will tell the command to disassociate from the shell. -Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org <centos-bounces(a)centos.org> To: 'centos(a)centos.org' <centos(a)centos.org> Sent: Mon Mar 17 18:13:48 2008 Subject: [CentOS] remote command execution I need to launch a job remotely from a Windows machine on a CentOS box, the caveat is that I can't maintain a connection once I have initiated the job. Anyone got an idea how I can accomplish this? Thanks! jlc _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof.

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Re: [CentOS] remote command execution
by Ross S. W. Walker 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Use rsh and in the remote command preface it with stty -nohup, like such: C:\rsh <host> "stty -nohup;<command>" This will tell the command to disassociate from the shell. -Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org <centos-bounces(a)centos.org> To: 'centos(a)centos.org' <centos(a)centos.org> Sent: Mon Mar 17 18:13:48 2008 Subject: [CentOS] remote command execution I need to launch a job remotely from a Windows machine on a CentOS box, the caveat is that I can't maintain a connection once I have initiated the job. Anyone got an idea how I can accomplish this? Thanks! jlc _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof.

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remote command execution
by Joseph L. Casale 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

I need to launch a job remotely from a Windows machine on a CentOS box, the caveat is that I can't maintain a connection once I have initiated the job. Anyone got an idea how I can accomplish this? Thanks! jlc

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Running CentOS 4.6 domUs on CentOS 5.1 dom0 and domUs crash
by Nathan Grennan 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

I have a CentOS 5.1 dom0 running on a machine with two cores and 4gb of memory. It runs three 4.6 domUs and one 5.1 domU. Just out of the blue the other night all the 4.6 domUs crashed, but the dom0 stayed up. I ran xm console (domU-name) and got the Oops information below. I didn't get anything from the 5.1 domU. I think it had been rebooted a few days before and hadn't come up because of a initrd issue. First 4.6 domU: kernel BUG at arch/i386/mm/pgtable-xen.c:306! invalid operand: 0000 [#1] SMP Modules linked in: md5 ipv6 sunrpc dm_mirror dm_mod xennet ext3 jbd xenblk CPU: 0 EIP: 0061:[<c011163a>] Not tainted VLI EFLAGS: 00010282 (2.6.9-55.0.12.ELxenU) EIP is at pgd_ctor+0x1d/0x26 eax: fffffff4 ebx: 00000000 ecx: f5392000 edx: 00000000 esi: c19fdd80 edi: e8f6a700 ebp: 00000001 esp: e0e45de4 ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 Process crond (pid: 32004, threadinfo=e0e45000 task=eb4443f0) Stack: c0141bbd cc57b000 c19fdd80 00000001 cc57b000 e8f6a700 c19fdd80 c19fde40 c0141d3f c19fdd80 e8f6a700 00000001 c19fdd80 e8f6a700 cc57b000 00000010 00000001 000000d0 c1a1b080 0000000c c19fde08 c19fdd80 c0141f2e c19fdd80 Call Trace: [<c0141bbd>] cache_init_objs+0x35/0x56 [<c0141d3f>] cache_grow+0xfb/0x187 [<c0141f2e>] cache_alloc_refill+0x163/0x19c [<c0142149>] kmem_cache_alloc+0x67/0x97 [<c0111671>] pgd_alloc+0x17/0x336 [<c01199d4>] mm_init+0xd7/0x116 [<c01199e4>] mm_init+0xe7/0x116 [<c0119a3d>] mm_alloc+0x2a/0x31 [<c0163097>] do_execve+0x82/0x210 [<c0105d79>] sys_execve+0x2c/0x8e [<c010737f>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb Code: 74 02 66 a5 a8 01 74 01 a4 5e 5b 5e 5f c3 80 3d 04 07 2f c0 00 75 1c 6a 20 6a 00 ff 74 24 0c e8 ce 37 00 00 83 c4 0c 85 c0 74 08 <0f> 0b 32 01 ed 33 27 c0 c3 80 3d 04 07 2f c0 00 75 0d c7 44 24 <0>Fatal exception: panic in 5 seconds Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception Second 4.6 domU: kernel BUG at arch/i386/mm/pgtable-xen.c:306! invalid operand: 0000 [#1] SMP Modules linked in: nfsd exportfs lockd nfs_acl md5 ipv6 sunrpc dm_mirror dm_mod xennet ext3 jbd xenblk CPU: 0 EIP: 0061:[<c011163a>] Not tainted VLI EFLAGS: 00010282 (2.6.9-55.0.12.ELxenU) EIP is at pgd_ctor+0x1d/0x26 eax: fffffff4 ebx: 00000000 ecx: f5392000 edx: 00000000 esi: c19fdd80 edi: e69f4c40 ebp: 00000001 esp: e7282d6c ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 Process nrpe (pid: 1936, threadinfo=e7282000 task=e72cf770) Stack: c0141bbd c7ebb000 c19fdd80 00000001 c7ebb000 e69f4c40 c19fdd80 c19fde40 c0141d3f c19fdd80 e69f4c40 00000001 c19fdd80 e69f4c40 c7ebb000 00000010 00000001 000000d0 c1a1b080 0000000c c19fde08 c19fdd80 c0141f2e c19fdd80 Call Trace: [<c0141bbd>] cache_init_objs+0x35/0x56 [<c0141d3f>] cache_grow+0xfb/0x187 [<c0141f2e>] cache_alloc_refill+0x163/0x19c [<c0142149>] kmem_cache_alloc+0x67/0x97 [<c0111671>] pgd_alloc+0x17/0x336 [<c01199d4>] mm_init+0xd7/0x116 [<c01199e4>] mm_init+0xe7/0x116 [<c0119c8a>] copy_mm+0xbb/0x396 [<c0141f1f>] cache_alloc_refill+0x154/0x19c [<c011aa5a>] copy_process+0x6b5/0xb0b [<c011af9d>] do_fork+0x8a/0x16b [<c020f4c4>] sys_socketcall+0x113/0x202 [<c0105d2c>] sys_clone+0x24/0x28 [<c010737f>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb Code: 74 02 66 a5 a8 01 74 01 a4 5e 5b 5e 5f c3 80 3d 04 07 2f c0 00 75 1c 6a 20 6a 00 ff 74 24 0c e8 ce 37 00 00 83 c4 0c 85 c0 74 08 <0f> 0b 32 01 ed 33 27 c0 c3 80 3d 04 07 2f c0 00 75 0d c7 44 24 <0>Fatal exception: panic in 5 seconds Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception Third 4.6 domU: kernel BUG at arch/i386/mm/pgtable-xen.c:306! invalid operand: 0000 [#1] SMP Modules linked in: md5 ipv6 sunrpc dm_mirror dm_mod xennet ext3 jbd xenblk CPU: 0 EIP: 0061:[<c011163a>] Not tainted VLI EFLAGS: 00010282 (2.6.9-55.0.12.ELxenU) EIP is at pgd_ctor+0x1d/0x26 eax: fffffff4 ebx: 00000000 ecx: f5392000 edx: 00000000 esi: c15fdd80 edi: d3f312e0 ebp: 00000001 esp: ca9c4de4 ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 Process qmail-rspawn (pid: 23442, threadinfo=ca9c4000 task=da68c2b0) Stack: c0141bbd ced8c000 c15fdd80 00000001 ced8c000 d3f312e0 c15fdd80 c15fde40 c0141d3f c15fdd80 d3f312e0 00000001 c15fdd80 d3f312e0 ced8c000 00000010 00000001 000000d0 c1613080 0000000c c15fde08 c15fdd80 c0141f2e c15fdd80 Call Trace: [<c0141bbd>] cache_init_objs+0x35/0x56 [<c0141d3f>] cache_grow+0xfb/0x187 [<c0141f2e>] cache_alloc_refill+0x163/0x19c [<c0142149>] kmem_cache_alloc+0x67/0x97 [<c0111671>] pgd_alloc+0x17/0x336 [<c01199d4>] mm_init+0xd7/0x116 [<c01199e4>] mm_init+0xe7/0x116 [<c0119a3d>] mm_alloc+0x2a/0x31 [<c0163097>] do_execve+0x82/0x210 [<c0105d79>] sys_execve+0x2c/0x8e [<c010737f>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb Code: 74 02 66 a5 a8 01 74 01 a4 5e 5b 5e 5f c3 80 3d 04 07 2f c0 00 75 1c 6a 20 6a 00 ff 74 24 0c e8 ce 37 00 00 83 c4 0c 85 c0 74 08 <0f> 0b 32 01 ed 33 27 c0 c3 80 3d 04 07 2f c0 00 75 0d c7 44 24 <0>Fatal exception: panic in 5 seconds Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception

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CDRW-DVD Mount Problem, Centos 5.1, Intel board...
by Pam Astor 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

I'm having a problem mounting my new CDRW DVD in my new machine I just built. The motherboard is an Intel DP35DP, and I connected the CDRW DVD via ribbon cable into the motherboard IDE slot. Centos 5.1 is installed and functioning fine so far (other than this problem). I can't mount the CDRW-DVD unit. I was able to run cdrecord with the command: cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=6,0,0 -data /home/mydir/Desktop/backup_bootimage.iso to copy a file that I downloaded, apparently the data copy went fine, but when I ejected the CD and then tried to re mount the same CD to read the file, it would not mount. So then I tried mounting the Centos 5.1 distro disk that I used to install the OS, and am having the same problem with the distro disk. If anyone could give me some suggestions or insights I'd appreciate it. I have provided some data below. I tried the below commands after ejecting the CD and then executing the commands while the drawer is open, and I got the below outputs: # sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom mount: special device /dev/sr0 does not exist And: # mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: you must specify the filesystem type And: # mount /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: you must specify the filesystem type And: #sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so And: sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom -o ro,unhide mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so And: sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom -o ro,unhide mount: special device /dev/sr0 does not exist Here is info from cat /etc/fstab, cat /proc/mounts, fdisk -l, and cdrecord -scanbus and dmesg | grep -i -e CD -e CD-ROM respectively: >From cat/etc/fstab: /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 11 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfsdefaults 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 sysfs/sys sysfs defaults 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults 00 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 >From cat /proc/mounts: [root@localhost/]# cat /proc/mounts rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 /dev/root / ext3rw,data=ordered 0 0 /dev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 /proc /proc proc rw0 0 /sys /sys sysfs rw 0 0 none /selinux selinuxfs rw 00 /proc/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 devpts /dev/ptsdevpts rw 0 0 /dev/sda1 /boot ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 tmpfs/dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw0 0 sunrpc /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs rpc_pipefs rw 00 /etc/auto.misc /misc autofsrw,fd=6,pgrp=2758,timeout=300,minproto=5,maxproto=5,indirect 00 -hosts /net autofsrw,fd=11,pgrp=2758,timeout=300,minproto=5,maxproto=5,indirect 00 fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders Units =cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start EndBlocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux /dev/sda2 1460801 488279610 8e Linux LVM Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB,500107862016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes DeviceBoot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 60801 488384001 8eLinux LVM >From cdrecord -scanbus: scsibus6: 6,0,0 600) 'TSSTcorp''CDDVDW SH-S202J ' 'SB00' Removable CD-ROM 6,1,0 601) * 6,2,0602) * 6,3,0 603) * 6,4,0 604) * 6,5,0 605) * 6,6,0 606)* 6,7,0 607) * >From dmesg | grep -i -e CD -e CD-ROM: [root@localhost etc]# dmesg | grep -i -e CD -e CD-ROM uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: UHCI Host Controller uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: irq 193, io base 0x000030e0 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: UHCI Host Controller uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: irq 74, io base 0x000030c0 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.2: UHCI Host Controller uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.2: irq 177, io base 0x000030a0 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: UHCI Host Controller uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: irq 82, io base 0x00003080 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: UHCI Host Controller uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 5 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: irq 201, io base 0x00003060 usb 2-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: UHCI Host Controller uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 6 uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: irq 193, io base 0x00003040 ohci_hcd: 2005 April 22 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI) ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: EHCI Host Controller ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 7 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: debug port 1 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: irq 177, io mem 0xe3225c00 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: EHCI Host Controller ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 8 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: debug port 1 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: irq 82, io mem 0xe3225800 ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004 usb 2-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 usb 3-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 Vendor: TSSTcorp Model: CDDVDW SH-S202J Rev: SB00 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 05 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 sr 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! 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Centos 5.1 installation problems -- couldn't find devices
by Yu-Hui Jin 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Hi, there, I just bought a Dell Inspiron 530 with the following basic configuration: Inspiron 530 Intel Core2 processor Q6600 (2.40Ghz 1066FSB) w/Quad Core Technology and 8MB cache SATA 0: Samsung HD501LJ (500GB Serial ATA II Hard Drive(7200RPM)) SATA 1: PDBS DVD +/- RW DH-16W1S (16X DVD+/-RW Drive) I tried to install Centos 5.1 on it with dual boot (keep Windows XP partition) and got stuck on some strange issues. I hope one of you could shed some light on what I should do next. Here's the summary of my installation attempts. Attempt 1: I burned both an installation DVD (slow and verified) and installation CD #1. I tried them both and both failed due to no driver found. More specifically, at the step for "what type of media contains the packages to be installed?", I chose "Local CDROM", the result screen said "No driver found" and prompted me to Select driver from a list of drivers. I randomly chose a few but none worked. Attempt 2. I tried network installation. I chose "HTTP" when prompted for the media. I then specified the mirror.centos.org<http://mirror.centos.org/centos/5/os/i386/>as the Web Site Name and /centos/5/os/i386/ <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/5/os/i386/> as the Red Hat directory. It got the installation started successfully. However, at the step for partitioning the disk, I was prompted to choose the partition option and I checked the "review and modify partitioning layout". Also, there's no drive shown in the "select the drive(s) to use for this installation" panel. When i clicked Next, a "No drives Found" message popped up, saying "an error has occurred -- no valid devices were found on which to create new file systems. please check your hardware for the cause of this problem." It seemed both attempts failed due to the installation program couldn't find either the SATA DVD drive or the SATA hard disk. However, it's hard to believe Centos 5.1 installation couldn't recognize these two SATA devices. I'm now stuck. Any suggestion or advice is much appreciated. -- Regards, -Hui

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radius WPA
by David Hláčik 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Hi , will be someone so kind and will provide mi howto, or working configuration of Acess Point WPA authentification using Radius Server . I have followed a lot of howtos, unfortunatelly no one works for me. Using Centos 5.1 . Thanks, Regards D.

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10Gbit ethernet
by Jake Grimmett 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

If I could ask question about 10Gbit ethernet.... We have a 70 node cluster built on Centos 5.1, using NFS to mount user home areas. At the moment the network is a bottleneck, and it's going to get worse as we add another 112 CPUs in the form of two blade servers. To help things breath better, we are considering building three new NFS servers, and connecting these and the blade servers directly via 10Gbit to a new core switch, the older nodes will stay with 1Gbit ethernet, but be given new switches uplinked via 10Gbit to the core switch. Before I spend a great deal of money, can I ask if anyone here has experience of 10GBit? Dell, HP, Supermicro, IBM (etc..) seem to be pushing the NetXen PCIe cards, so I guess these drivers work...? As to media, although CX4 seems cheaper than optical, I hear the cabling is nasty. And is the magical fairy going to fix 10Gbit over cat6A anytime soon? any thoughts appreciated. Jake --

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internal messages problem with postfix
by Mufit Eribol 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Hello, After a server crash, I re-installed postfix, cyrus-imapd, amavisd-new, spamassassin on a Centos 5.1 box. But, now mail system behaves somewhat different. There is no problem with mail receiving/sending from/to internet. Before the crash, mail system used to sent internal messages to root(a)example.com. But now, I can't receive internal messages as it tries to send them to root(a)server.example.com. I used the same postfix, cyrus-imapd, amavisd-new, /etc/aliases conf files from the previous setup. Must be a configuration issue I overlook. Could anybody please tell me what to check? Best wishes, Mufit main.cf: mydomain = example.com myhostname = server.example.com mydestination = example.com ... amavisd.conf $mydomain = 'example.com'; $myhostname = 'server.example.com';

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MySQL 4.1 on Centos 5 ?
by Sergej Kandyla 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Hi All, Could anyone tell me, how to correctly install MySQL4.1 on Centos 5 ? By default Centos 5 comes with mysql5… If I will compile mysql4 from sources to separate prefix, some features may be unavailable (unix sockets for example). I’m moving some critical application (online booking) based on java, tomcat5, mysql4.1 from old server fedora 4 to new server running Centos 5. So, I don’t want update mysql to new version this time. Thanks, SK

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Partition/filesystem expansion difficulties
by Hugh E Cruickshank 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

CentOS 4.6 Hi All: I am now officially stumped. I have tried everything that can think of and I have googled until I am blue in the face and tried just about everything that I could find that looked the least bit like it might apply and still no (or at least partial) joy. I am going to cram as much information into this email as I can and hope that someone out there can either tell me what I am doing wrong or point me in a new direction for research. The hardware: We have an Acer G700 server which comes with 8 internal hot swap SCSI bays connected to an Adaptec SCSI HBA. There are two banks of 4 drives connect to each of the two channels of the Adaptec HBA. To this we have added an IBM EXP400 external array with 12 hot swap SCSI drives connected to an LSI MegaRAID HBA. 36GB drives were used throughout. The external drives were configured as 6 mirror pairs through the MegaRAID BIOS. The OS install: When I installed CentOS 4 originally I allowed the installer to configure the 8 internal drives with software mirroring and the external drives as a striped set effectively making the external disk array a RAID 10 array. The original problem: Our boot drive failed which did not cause an immediate problem as the system kept on running. The real problem was that I had already used all the spare drives I had on-hand and I could not source a replacement drive that matched on size and speed (10K). The original solution: I then had what I thought was a good idea and I purchase three 146GB 10K drives. I would replace the two 36GB drives used in the system mirrored pair with 146GB drives and have one 146GB spare. I would then be able to free up a 36GB to use as a spare for the other three pairs of drives. This proved to be easier said then done but I did eventually get it done by using Norton Ghost to copy the good mirrored 36GB drive on to two of the 146GB drives and then using grub to install the bootloader (which I found out the hard way is NOT installed on the mirrored drive - ARGHHHHHH!). However I did get it done but with one minor problem. The current problem: The two 146GB drives are now partitioned as 36GB and I want to expand the partitions and the installed filesystems to use the additional space available on the drives. The current partition looked like: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 64 514048+ fd Linux raid autodetect /dev/sda2 65 1084 8193150 fd Linux raid autodetect /dev/sda3 1085 1339 2048287+ fd Linux raid autodetect /dev/sda4 1340 4462 25085466 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda5 1340 4462 25085466 fd Linux raid autodetect No problem I thought and proceeded make a Ghost copy of the boot drive and then used PartedMagic to expand both the last physical and logical partitions and the resident ext3 files system. Lucky thing I mad that Ghost copy and the filesystem turned out to be corrupt (could not find the super block). Restored from the backup. I then tried using PartedMagic to expanding just the last physical partition and that worked. The current fdisk for both sda and sde looks like: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 64 514048+ fd Linux raid autodetect /dev/sda2 65 1084 8193150 fd Linux raid autodetect /dev/sda3 1085 1339 2048287+ fd Linux raid autodetect /dev/sda4 1340 17849 132616575 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda5 1340 4462 25085466 fd Linux raid autodetect I then tried to use resize2fs to expand the files systems but that did on work. No error, it just report that the filesystems were already at the full size. Today I tried to use: mdadm --grow /dev/md3 --size=max resize2fs /dev/md3 but again no joy (md3 is the filesystem in sda5/sde5). No errors but no change either. I even thought to look at LVM but, as far as I can tell, that is not being used in our case (all drives are listed and unregistered). The plea: If anyone has any thoughts on what I have been doing wrong or a new direction that I can research I would really appreciate it. From everything that I have read this should be doable. My next step is to backup the contents of the filesystem and then delete it, re-create it and restore the backup. If that is the only way of doing this then I will gladly do it but I still think I should be able to expand it in-place (just call me stubborn). TIA Regards, Hugh -- Hugh E Cruickshank, Forward Software, www.forward-software.com

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Bind Problem
by Joseph L. Casale 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

I have a DNS server which is not returning mx queries for some reason? The zone file is as follows: $TTL 1H @ IN SOA example.com. root.example.com. ( 1 ; serial# 3H ; refresh 1H ; retry 1W ; expire 1H ) ; minimum NS ns1.example.com. MX 10 mail TXT "v=spf1 a mx include:isp.com -all" example.com. A aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd ns1 A aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd mail A aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd The server is setup as with a caching only configuration with recursion turned off. Anyone have any idea what could be wrong? Thanks! jlc

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Running network services as a non-root user
by David Hláčik 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Hi, I am using open source Alfresco( alfresco.com ), written in java, which has own code for FTP, CIFS (running on tomcat apache and java). I need to run tomcat5 as root in order to achieve that alfresco will bind ftp cifs on privileged ports (21 , 135 .). I am wondering, it is possible to allow user to bind on some privilleged port. Like having whole alfresco running under user alfresco and not root and able to bind on privileged ports? CentOS 5.1 Thanks! David

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what should I do?
by Sobari Tanuwijaya 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Dear All, a friend of mine who has a small office want to have a configuration like this: * around 3 people can have full access to internet * around 1-2 people can just have email access (can send and receive email to any address) * the rest of the people in the company just can have internal email (can send and receive email just to/from the peer - on the same domain). I think I can use the squid to prevent the access using the browser, but what should I do to set the email configuration like that? I think I can install qmail for the MTA, but I don't know how to prevent several person just can send/receive email from the same domain, while the other can send/receive email to any address he wants to. Anybody kind enough to share how to do that? Thanks in advance for you help. -- Tanu --

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Re: [CentOS] Un Installing a hard drive in a Centos 5.1 box
by Pam Astor 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

----- Original Message ---- From: Karanbir Singh <mail-lists(a)karan.org> To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 7:57:00 PM Subject: Re: [CentOS] Un Installing a hard drive in a Centos 5.1 box Pam Astor wrote: > [root@localhost ~]# df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 > 901G 6.7G 848G 1% / > /dev/sda1 99M 18M 76M 20% /boot > tmpfs 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev/shm yup, its all 1 Volume, you are going to need to shrink the lv's - then get your volgroup onto /dev/sda only. info on howto do that is in the lvm howto. also, I'd recommend you download the centos-5.1/livecd and actually do the work once booted from the livecd. shinking filesystems requires you to have the filesystem unmounted, so doing it from the livecd is the only way you are going to manage it here. Dang, I was afraid you were going to say that :) Oh well, guess I'm going to have fun the next day or two learning about linux file systems. Thanks much! -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219@icq _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

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Firefox 3
by Niki Kovacs 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Hi, I just read the release announcement for RHEL 5.2beta: https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv5-announce/2008-March/msg00000.html And something caught my eye: --8<----------------------------------------- * Laptop and Desktop Enhancement + Suspend and Hibernate improvements + Re-base of the top Desktop applications - Evolution 2.12.3 - Firefox 3 - OpenOffice 2.3.0 - Thunderbird 2.0 + Updated graphics drivers --8<----------------------------------------- I see that the folks from Red Hat decided to completely ignore Firefox 2.0: an eloquent detail. Now it's more than once that I've read good things about Firefox 3. Much less RAM-hungry than it's predecessors, excellent standards compliance, much more stable. What's the best way to get Firefox 3 on my CentOS 5.1? Is there some RPM for RHEL somewhere? Some SRPM? Or simply wait patiently for CentOS 5.2? Aside: I use XFCE, not GNOME, so I don't have to go through the chore of updating some core GNOME components (like Yelp). Cheers, Niki

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Re: [CentOS] Un Installing a hard drive in a Centos 5.1 box
by Pam Astor 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

----- Original Message ---- From: Karanbir Singh <mail-lists(a)karan.org> To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:44:33 PM Subject: Re: [CentOS] Un Installing a hard drive in a Centos 5.1 box Pam Astor wrote: > OK this is what I have when I run mount - does it appear that > I have both drives on one volume?: > > /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 on / type ext3 (rw) > what output to do you get from : pvdisplay; vgdisplay; lvdisplay [root@localhost ~]# pvdisplay; vgdisplay; lvdisplay --- Physical volume --- PV Name /dev/sdb1 VG Name VolGroup00 PV Size 465.76 GB / not usable 9.50 MB Allocatable yes (but full) PE Size (KByte) 32768 Total PE 14904 Free PE 0 Allocated PE 14904 PV UUID IAmE1f-dCMo-c035-cSQQ-g9yE-6yOo-mfKhHv --- Physical volume --- PV Name /dev/sda2 VG Name VolGroup00 PV Size 465.66 GB / not usable 3.56 MB Allocatable yes (but full) PE Size (KByte) 32768 Total PE 14901 Free PE 0 Allocated PE 14901 PV UUID fi5A7U-dao0-ruuP-TSc0-LfFu-7yRL-iKnwGr --- Volume group --- VG Name VolGroup00 System ID Format lvm2 Metadata Areas 2 Metadata Sequence No 3 VG Access read/write VG Status resizable MAX LV 0 Cur LV 2 Open LV 2 Max PV 0 Cur PV 2 Act PV 2 VG Size 931.41 GB PE Size 32.00 MB Total PE 29805 Alloc PE / Size 29805 / 931.41 GB Free PE / Size 0 / 0 VG UUID pwO7bQ-0eRs-W8O4-b4uf-hYe6-JIm6-27p8wu --- Logical volume --- LV Name /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 VG Name VolGroup00 LV UUID avhFcY-30N6-2BPz-A89X-Ai0V-v5B7-xxzhIe LV Write Access read/write LV Status available # open 1 LV Size 929.47 GB Current LE 29743 Segments 2 Allocation inherit Read ahead sectors 0 Block device 253:0 --- Logical volume --- LV Name /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 VG Name VolGroup00 LV UUID ZW2z5f-5x58-0vDI-ru5S-iZge-mVE6-yVp160 LV Write Access read/write LV Status available # open 1 LV Size 1.94 GB Current LE 62 Segments 1 Allocation inherit Read ahead sectors 0 Block device 253:1 And... [root@localhost ~]# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 901G 6.7G 848G 1% / /dev/sda1 99M 18M 76M 20% /boot tmpfs 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev/shm [root@localhost ~]# ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Backup Question
by Joseph L. Casale 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

We are migrating an LTO2 library off Veritas and NTBackup on a Windows Server to a Linux Server with either Bacula or Amanda. Originally, the Windows server used scripts to sync changes from various other Windows servers using Robocopy to a locally attached set of volumes, then ran the backup nightly (Full's were always done). I now had hoped to rsync the Samba shares to a local replica on the Linux Server and then start the backup every night after it finishes. Would this be the most efficient way to do this, or are there better tools for this? I need an additional replica of the data, so using the Windows Bacula client doesn't help, and I must be able to only replicate the changes or I'll miss my backup window based on the volume of data. Thanks for any suggestions, jlc

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Re: [CentOS] Un Installing a hard drive in a Centos 5.1 box
by Pam Astor 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

> When I physically removed the drive and restarted the PC, centos would > not boot up and went into a kernel panic. I'm sure I'm supposed to > somehow unmount the thing before I do this, and that's my question - how > do I un-install the hard drive - software wise - so that on next boot > up, centos don't go crazy looking for it? If the machine panics at boot time, there is a good chance that you installed with LVM and its got both the drives into one volume. You will need to reinstall that second harddrive, then work out the process of shrinking the filesystem down to only 1 drive, then remove the second drive. The scope of this work might be too much for an email, so I can best point you at the LVM HowTo. There are also some good lvm tips in the CentOS5 docs ( http://www.centos.org/docs/5/ ) OK this is what I have when I run mount - does it appear that I have both drives on one volume?:  /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 on / type ext3 (rw) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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Un Installing a hard drive in a Centos 5.1 box
by Pam Astor 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

Hi Guys, I'm fairly new to Linux and I'm trying to un install a hard drive from my Centos 5.1 box running KDE. When I built the PC, I installed two 500 gig maxtors in the tower, then I installed Centos. Now I've decided that I want to remove the slave drive and use it as an external backup drive - I am mounting it into one of those external drive cases with a built in fan. When I physically removed the drive and restarted the PC, centos would not boot up and went into a kernel panic. I'm sure I'm supposed to somehow unmount the thing before I do this, and that's my question - how do I un-install the hard drive - software wise - so that on next boot up, centos don't go crazy looking for it? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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kvm_amd and centos 5.2
by Jerry Geis 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

Will the kvm_amd kernel module be in CentOS 5.2? Presently I run 2.6.24 on one machine so I get kvm_amd. It would be great if it is included. Jerry

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Gnash 0.8.2 rpm for CentOS 4?
by Robert Arkiletian 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

Does anyone know if there is a Gnash rpm available for CentOS 4? I have tried compiling it myself but run into dependency problems. I looked here http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/gnash/ but there is only 0.8.2 for el5 not el4. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/

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Seamonkey rpms for CentOS?
by Heiko Adams 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

Hello, does anyone know where to get seamonkey rpms for CentOS 5.1? -- Heiko Adams <heiko.adams(a)gmail.com>

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Re: [CentOS] Skype on CentOS 5 - my microphone settings are incorrect
by Lanny Marcus 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

On Sunday, 16 March 2008, Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> wrote:> <snip> Niki: Thank you, for everything you wrote! Question: Last night, for reasons completely unrelated to this problem with the microphone audio, I downloaded the .iso for the Knoppix Live CD and I have that CD. Can I troubleshoot this microphone audio settings problem, with one or more utilities on the Knoppix Live CD? If so, which ones? > One other thing. You mentioned several mixer apps, IIRC. I've seen some > Linux installs of the kitchen sink type, where people installed just > everything available on the DVD. Result: you get everything from GNOME, > KDE, XFCE, plus any other available window manager. As a result, you > also get several concurring sound systems: ALSA, OSS, Arts, and IIRC > there's something called 'esound'. It's a bit like folks installing LPR > and CUPS at the same time. When you have several pieces of software > attempting to talk to the same device, there will inevitably be conflicts. My belief is that what you wrote is dead accurate, with regard to many things and once I get the Sound working properly, I will try to get rid of what I know I am not using. However, with regard to web browsers, as one example, I find that having both Firefox and Konqueror is necessary at this time. Firefox, with the settings as liberal as I can make them, does not work properly for me, when I access Gmail on the web. Konqueror, which Gmail shows is not fully supported and does not allow access to all Gmail features on the web, works much better than Firefox there. A former Supervisor and Colleague, who uses Ubuntu, has no problem using Gmail on the web, with a later version of Firefox. OT: From what you and Dag wrote about Firefox 3, I will upgrade from CentOS 5 to 5.2, when I can get the DVD! > I've been a long-time Slackware user, and Slackware has one guiding > principle: KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid! I respect anyone who uses Slackware and I believe strongly in the "KISS" idea. > > On my CentOS desktop, I have *one* desktop environment: XFCE. One sound > system: ALSA. And one mixer app: alsamixer (I uninstalled xfce4-mixer). I install both GNOME (which I use 95% of the time) and KDE when I do clean installs. Once, I had GNOME corrupted, and I used KDE, temporarily, to keep going. KDE has many many more things than GNOME. I always use K3b and there are some other KDE Applications and Utilities that I use occasionally. > So what you could do to make things easier: establish which sound system > and sound mixer app you are using. And then get rid of the unused ones. After I find the solution to the problem, I will try to do that! It is my understanding and belief that Front Ends (GUI or Text based) that modify Linux Configuration files may do so in different ways. If the file is simple, I modify with a Text editor. One experience I had, with system-config-display (?) was that it said it was writing a new Xorg file, but, in fact, it did not. Someone else posted in this ML and Johnny or Jim said to use the command with -- rewrite or something I can't remember, as I write this. One of the things about Webmin, is that supposedly one can use it to modify Configuration files, or do it manually with a Text editor, without screwing things up. I will keep working on this microphone audio problem and if I cannot solve it, then I will post in the alsa-user at lists.sourceforge.net as Anne suggested yesterday, in 2 or 3 days! Thanks again! Lanny

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clarifications
by Sam Drinkard 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

Hello all, I've been trying to get spamassassin and clamav working, but got really confused when I realized there are various incarnations of the software. Originally, I started out with just spamassassin, but learned there is also an SA-milter. Can someone tell me which of the various spam fighting packages i.e., sa, sa-milter, clamav, clamave-milter, and so forth? I ran into problems with one package with the system not being able to open a socket, so I just gave up. I hope I'm not too vague here, but essentially, I just would like to know what the milter part does, and if that's the way to go, or the non-milter versions. I'm subscribed via digest, and if it's not too much trouble, I'd appreciate a cc direct to me. Many thanks.. Sam

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(no subject)
by Hari 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

Hey can anyone help in finding the display driver for my laptop sony Vaio. The details are as follows, Mobile Intel(r) 945GM xpress chipset family. Do send me the procedure for installation since I am new to cent OS. Thank You Hari ms

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shell script question
by Jerry Geis 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

hi all, If I have a shell script on 5.1 that has 2 commands in the script... command1 command2 and command1 runs until it is kill'ed by some other process. Sometimes command2 runs and sometimes it doesnt (this is what it seems like). How can I be ensured that command2 will always run after command1 is killed? The script is not killed just command1. Thanks, jerry

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CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 37, Issue 6
by centos-announce-request＠centos.org 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-announce(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CESA-2008:0167 Moderate CentOS 4 i386 kernel - security update (Johnny Hughes) 2. CESA-2008:0167 Moderate CentOS 4 x86_64 kernel - security update (Johnny Hughes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:40:23 -0500 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2008:0167 Moderate CentOS 4 i386 kernel - security update To: CentOS-Announce <centos-announce(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DC7A87.8090406(a)centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2009:0167 https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0167.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: i386: kernel-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i586.rpm kernel-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i686.rpm kernel-devel-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i586.rpm kernel-devel-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i686.rpm kernel-doc-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.noarch.rpm kernel-hugemem-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i686.rpm kernel-hugemem-devel-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i686.rpm kernel-smp-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i586.rpm kernel-smp-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i686.rpm kernel-smp-devel-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i586.rpm kernel-smp-devel-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i686.rpm kernel-xenU-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i686.rpm kernel-xenU-devel-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.i686.rpm src: kernel-2.6.9-67.0.7.EL.src.rpm

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Re: [CentOS] Skype on CentOS 5 - my microphone settings are incorrect
by Lanny Marcus 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

On 15 March 2008, Niki Kovacs contact at kikinovak.net wrote: <snip> >Much closed source software has a "Gold" release. >Fire up a console and launch 'alsamixer'. Check your microphone settings >there. Card: Sound Fusion CS46xx │ │ Chip: Cirrus Logic CS4298 rev 3,Cirrus Logic CS4298 rev 3 │ │ View: [Playback] Capture All │ │ Item: Master │ │ │ │ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ pre 3D │▒▒│ │ │ ├──┤ ├──┤ └──┘ └──┘ ┌──┐ ├──┤ ├──┤ │ │ │OO│ │OO│ │MM│ │OO│ │OO│ │ │ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ │ │ 100<>100 100<>100 0 0 100<>100 100<>100 │ │ < Master >Headphon 3D Contr 3D Contr 3D Contr PCM PCM Out Line │ └──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Niki: I don't see anything for the microphone there! Note: When alsamixer came up in the terminal window, the only view option seems to be for Playback, which is shown above. Should it be possible for me to get a view of Capture too? How? >In Skype, there's a small utility with a voice server, where you can >check your sound configuration easily. I use their test robot to test, but when I try it with Skype for Linux, when they are going to playback what I speak into the microphone, there's one beep and then almost immediately, a 2nd beep. When I do that while using Skype for windows, I can hear what I speak into the microphone. I get the Digest version of the ML but I will check back, online, for further ideas today! Thank you for your very quick reply! Lanny

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Re: CentOS Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15
by get＠ntusa.net 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

Nmhxc Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -----Original Message----- From: centos-request(a)centos.org Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:00:07 To:centos@centos.org Subject: CentOS Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15 Send CentOS mailing list submissions to centos(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 2. RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 3. RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 4. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Toby Bluhm) 5. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (John Plemons) 6. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Ross S. W. Walker) 7. RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 8. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Toby Bluhm) 9. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Ross S. W. Walker) 10. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Tom Brown) 11. RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 12. RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 13. RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 14. RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 15. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Tom Brown) 16. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Ross S. W. Walker) 17. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 18. RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 19. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Ross S. W. Walker) 20. RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 21. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Toby Bluhm) 22. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Ross S. W. Walker) 23. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Ross S. W. Walker) 24. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Toby Bluhm) 25. Re: evince on centos5.1 (Peter Farrell) 26. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 27. Re: MySQL 4.1 on Centos 5 ? (Peter Farrell) 28. RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 29. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Les Mikesell) 30. 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RE: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 45. Open extra ports on firewall? (Niki Kovacs) 46. Re: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Les Mikesell) 47. Re: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Scott Silva) 48. Re: Open extra ports on firewall? (Alan Bartlett) 49. RE: Re: Recommendations for a ?card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 50. RE: Re: Recommendations for a ?ard on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 51. Re: Open extra ports on firewall? (Alex White) 52. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Ross S. W. Walker) 53. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 54. Re: Open extra ports on firewall? (Niki Kovacs) 55. Re: Re: Recommendations for a ?card on Centos box (Les Mikesell) 56. Re: Re: 10Gbit ethernet (Chris Payne) 57. Re: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Les Mikesell) 58. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Ross S. W. Walker) 59. Forward local5.* to remote syslog-ng server (Sean Carolan) 60. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Dennis McLeod) 61. Re: Re: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Les Mikesell) 62. RE: Re: Recommendations for a ?card on Centos box (Dennis McLeod) 63. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 64. Re: Forward local5.* to remote syslog-ng server (Sean Carolan) 65. Re: Recommendations for a ?card on Centos box (Scott Silva) 66. Re: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Les Mikesell) 67. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Ross S. W. Walker) 68. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 69. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Therese Trudeau) 70. RE: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Ross S. W. Walker) 71. Re: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Les Mikesell) 72. Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box (Les Mikesell) 73. Re: ext3 errors (md device related?) (Les Mikesell) 74. Thunderbird: can't seem to install french spell checker (Niki Kovacs) 75. MSG for Barry (Christopher E) 76. Re: Gnome desktop, workspaces and windows (James B. Byrne) 77. RE: ext3 errors (md device related?) (Ross S. W. Walker) 78. Re: Open extra ports on firewall? (Robert Spangler) 79. Re: php 4/5 dependency question (Rogelio) 80. Re: ext3 errors (md device related?) (Nicolas KOWALSKI) 81. Re: ext3 errors (md device related?) (Les Mikesell) 82. Re: Good version control package? (Amos Shapira) 83. Re: evince on centos5.1 (MHR) 84. Re: ext3 errors (md device related?) (Les Mikesell) 85. Re: Overland Arcvault 12 and sequential/random settings (Scott R. Ehrlich) 86. Re: Migrate Outlook Express mail to Thunderbird? (mouss) 87. Re: Migrate Outlook Express mail to Thunderbird? (Bill Campbell) 88. Re: Forward local5.* to remote syslog-ng server (Sean Carolan) 89. Incremental backups? (Scott R. Ehrlich) 90. Re: Incremental backups? (Fajar Priyanto) 91. Re: Incremental backups? (Les Mikesell) 92. Re: Open extra ports on firewall? (Niki Kovacs) 93. Re: Incremental backups? (Mogens Kjaer) 94. Firefox 3 (Niki Kovacs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:37:34 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W22EE454074ED065BC675CBCF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > Adaptec makes both true HW raid and re-sells fakeraid cards. I guess they > wanted a piece of both pies. But 3ware only makes HW raid cards AFAIK. How well do you think the adaptecSATA raid cards stack up against the Areca and 3ware RAID cards? I'm going to buy two raid cards over the weekend. _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:55:43 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W12EDA65146D8C94471CADCCF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well >> (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) > > Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to > help if your PS fails. That's a very good point never thought of that. Acrtually this RAID 1 setup I'm planning is for my desktop machine, problem is is's not built like a server so there is not the traditional slid in bay for a second PS as do many 1 and 2u rack servers have. Unless there is some specialty product available that somehow fits in to a tower case. Could you reccomend a redundant PS for a desktop machine (if they exist)? _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:08:39 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W3649DEFC4C59300C5F1551CF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well >>> (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) >>> >> >> Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to >> help if your PS fails. >> >> > > redundant power supplies connected to redundant UPS's. I've seen more > UPS failures than I've ever had failed PSUs on proper server grade hardware. This might be getting a bit elaborate for a desktop machine. I really want RAID because I'm tired every couple years of hard drive crashes and having to start from scratch and spending a week setting up new drives and getting my design software back on line and trying to recover data. What do you think of alternative back up systems, such as a tape backup with bare metal restore software? I'd go that route instead if I could fine a solution which would allow me to restore to different hardware, i.e. if my motherboard dies and I need to buy a different brand or model MB. I know Storix back up software has this capability - I use storix on my Linux server with RAID 1. @ home I have one Linux and one Windows desktop machine. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:08:42 -0400 From: Toby Bluhm <tkb(a)MidwestInstruments.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA78DA.5050302(a)MidwestInstruments.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Therese Trudeau wrote: >>> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well >>> (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) >>> >> Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to >> help if your PS fails. >> > > That's a very good point never thought of that. Acrtually this RAID 1 setup I'm planning > is for my desktop machine, problem is is's not built like a server so there is not the traditional > slid in bay for a second PS as do many 1 and 2u rack servers have. Unless there is some > specialty product available that somehow fits in to a tower case. > > Could you reccomend a redundant PS for a desktop machine (if they exist)? > > The whole system needs to be designed for dual supplies. You can't just plop down two power supplies in parallel without some circuitry that attempts to monitor & balance them out. I'm curious - why does your desktop needs so much redundancy ? -- Toby Bluhm Alltech Medical Systems America, Inc. 30825 Aurora Road Suite 100 Solon Ohio 44139 440-424-2240 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:23:40 -0400 From: John Plemons <john(a)mavin.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA7C5C.2030403(a)mavin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Once you get a handle on what you are after check back with me, I have a bunch of Raid controllers I picked up from a systems dealer who went out of business. Some LSI's ICP, ICP says they are an Adaptec company and a couple of other off brands... May be able to save you a few bucks, all are new, oem style... john Therese Trudeau wrote: > Hi, > > I'm considering setting up my Centos Desktop machine for RAID 1. I read a lot of good info at this site:http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#intel-vitesse about differences in fakeraid and real raid cards. > > The hardware I plan on installing this RAID card into is an Intel DP35DP motherboard with the Intel E4500 dual core processor, and I have two Mator 500 gig SATA hard drives. > > Can anyone recommend a good “real raid” card for my Linux? What I am looking for is to plug in a RAID controller card out of the box, and without having to load any drivers onto my Centos 5.1 box, have the Real hardware RAID card automatically do all the work, mirror my hard drive onto the second backup drive and do all the work for me. > > Do such cards exist? If so which model /manufacturers do you recommend? Any experiences/info/insights on hardware RAID cards good or bad on centos boxes would be appreciated. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan_… > CentOS mailing list > CentOS(a)centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:29:26 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB0006(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Therese, You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed for a desktop machine. You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your good to go. You can use dump/restore to backup the logical volumes on the second RAID set to an LV on the first. No need for bare metal restore. Just need to get some working Linux distro to be able to read your files. Going HW RAID for your desktop is going to get in the way of you getting things going and if your HW RAID card fails then what? Your drives will only work with another identical HW RAID card. -Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org <centos-bounces(a)centos.org> To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Sent: Fri Mar 14 09:08:39 2008 Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a â€œreal RAID" 1 card on Centos box >>> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well >>> (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) >>> >> >> Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to >> help if your PS fails. >> >> > > redundant power supplies connected to redundant UPS's. I've seen more > UPS failures than I've ever had failed PSUs on proper server grade hardware. This might be getting a bit elaborate for a desktop machine. I really want RAID because I'm tired every couple years of hard drive crashes and having to start from scratch and spending a week setting up new drives and getting my design software back on line and trying to recover data. What do you think of alternative back up systems, such as a tape backup with bare metal restore software? I'd go that route instead if I could fine a solution which would allow me to restore to different hardware, i.e. if my motherboard dies and I need to buy a different brand or model MB. I know Storix back up software has this capability - I use storix on my Linux server with RAID 1. @ home I have one Linux and one Windows desktop machine. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008… CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. 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I've been > running PC Power and Cooling power supplies for about 9 years now, > really high quality PSUs(last one I bought was about 4 years ago, can't > speak for their quality now). So for a top quality power supply for a mission critical desktop machine, which brand(s) would you reccomend? One of the towers I have is a Thermaltake Xaser 3 with lots of room, and I just bought a new Antec Sonata III tower with a 500 watt PS. > So BBU is certainly a nice thing to have but at least in my > experience isn't absolutely critical. Then for a Mission critical desktop machine, if you had to make a choice, would you go with a good quality UPS and/or redundant power supplies, or a BBU instead? > Of course for absolutely critical things I don't use server-based > RAID anyways. Multiple redundant controllers, multiple redundant > paths(to both the disks and to the hosts), is the way to go(assuming > your application(s) aren't built to be able to run on something > like a distributed file system). I've seen that some of the > latest HP servers have dual ported SAS disks, which sounds pretty > neat. I assume they still only have one controller though. As an alternative to RAID1 for a mission critical desktop machine @ home, what would you reccomend? Maybe a bare metal restore solution able to restore to different hardware, (i.e. if a motherboard dies and drive crashes due to power spike or some catastrophe, I'm screwed if I can't find the exact same make - model)? _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:34:16 -0400 From: Toby Bluhm <tkb(a)MidwestInstruments.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA7ED8.5040505(a)MidwestInstruments.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Toby Bluhm wrote: > Therese Trudeau wrote: >>>> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well >>>> (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) >>>> >>> Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to >>> help if your PS fails. >>> >> >> That's a very good point never thought of that. Acrtually this RAID >> 1 setup I'm planning >> is for my desktop machine, problem is is's not built like a server so >> there is not the traditional slid in bay for a second PS as do many 1 >> and 2u rack servers have. Unless there is some >> specialty product available that somehow fits in to a tower case. >> Could you reccomend a redundant PS for a desktop machine (if they >> exist)? >> >> > > The whole system needs to be designed for dual supplies. You can't > just plop down two power supplies in parallel without some circuitry > that attempts to monitor & balance them out. > > > I'm curious - why does your desktop needs so much redundancy ? > > Just for fun, the first hit on a google for "redundant atx power supply" http://www.directron.com/tc400r8.html Seems you can just plop one into your std atx chassis . . . -- Toby Bluhm Alltech Medical Systems America, Inc. 30825 Aurora Road Suite 100 Solon Ohio 44139 440-424-2240 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:34:37 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB0007(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is getting OT and you are going to end up spending more on redundancy then if you just called Dell and ordered another computer. ----- Original Message ----- From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org <centos-bounces(a)centos.org> To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Sent: Fri Mar 14 09:31:00 2008 Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a â€œreal RAID" 1 card on Centos box > That is true, buy high quality stuff up front for fewer problems down > the road. Not a sure bet, but a better one. In the half dozen systems > I've been running at home for the past several years none of them > have suffered a hardware failure of any kind(fortunately). I've been > running PC Power and Cooling power supplies for about 9 years now, > really high quality PSUs(last one I bought was about 4 years ago, can't > speak for their quality now). So for a top quality power supply for a mission critical desktop machine, which brand(s) would you reccomend? One of the towers I have is a Thermaltake Xaser 3 with lots of room, and I just bought a new Antec Sonata III tower with a 500 watt PS. > So BBU is certainly a nice thing to have but at least in my > experience isn't absolutely critical. Then for a Mission critical desktop machine, if you had to make a choice, would you go with a good quality UPS and/or redundant power supplies, or a BBU instead? > Of course for absolutely critical things I don't use server-based > RAID anyways. Multiple redundant controllers, multiple redundant > paths(to both the disks and to the hosts), is the way to go(assuming > your application(s) aren't built to be able to run on something > like a distributed file system). I've seen that some of the > latest HP servers have dual ported SAS disks, which sounds pretty > neat. I assume they still only have one controller though. As an alternative to RAID1 for a mission critical desktop machine @ home, what would you reccomend? Maybe a bare metal restore solution able to restore to different hardware, (i.e. if a motherboard dies and drive crashes due to power spike or some catastrophe, I'm screwed if I can't find the exact same make - model)? _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008… CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. 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URL: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20080314/50e51a9d/atta… ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:41:59 +0000 From: Tom Brown <tom(a)ng23.net> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA80A7.5080104(a)ng23.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> > > Just for fun, the first hit on a google for "redundant atx power supply" > > http://www.directron.com/tc400r8.html > > > Seems you can just plop one into your std atx chassis . . . > > i have never understood how something with a single feed can be termed 'redundant' ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:47:14 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W31EB0A7A6C8BD15782798CCF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> That's a very good point never thought of that. Acrtually this RAID 1 setup I'm planning >> is for my desktop machine, problem is is's not built like a server so there is not the traditional >> slid in bay for a second PS as do many 1 and 2u rack servers have. Unless there is some >> specialty product available that somehow fits in to a tower case. >> >> Could you reccomend a redundant PS for a desktop machine (if they exist)? >> >> > > The whole system needs to be designed for dual supplies. You can't just > plop down two power supplies in parallel without some circuitry that > attempts to monitor & balance them out. Yes I realize that thanks, just wondered if there was some new product combo out there for existing towers, i.e. dual power supplies with controller boards, from your comment I assume there is not. I'd be willing to migrate all of my hardware, i.e. motherboard, monitor card etc, to a new case, if I could find a case which includes a controller card for the power supplies, or a case that comes complete with such. > I'm curious - why does your desktop needs so much redundancy ? Because I use the desktop machines about ten hours a day, I work out of home, doing graphic design, web design, uploading files to server, managing server, etc. The home desktop machines are just as mission critical as the server I upload to is. Maybe more so, because if there is a problem server side, I need remote access to it 24/7. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:55:44 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W357210198F301E2C649D5BCF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>>>> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well >>>>> (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) >>>>> >>>> Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to >>>> help if your PS fails. >>>> >>> >>> That's a very good point never thought of that. Acrtually this RAID >>> 1 setup I'm planning >>> is for my desktop machine, problem is is's not built like a server so >>> there is not the traditional slid in bay for a second PS as do many 1 >>> and 2u rack servers have. Unless there is some >>> specialty product available that somehow fits in to a tower case. >>> Could you reccomend a redundant PS for a desktop machine (if they >>> exist)? >>> >>> >> >> The whole system needs to be designed for dual supplies. You can't >> just plop down two power supplies in parallel without some circuitry >> that attempts to monitor & balance them out. >> >> >> I'm curious - why does your desktop needs so much redundancy ? >> >> > > Just for fun, the first hit on a google for "redundant atx power supply" > > http://www.directron.com/tc400r8.html > > > Seems you can just plop one into your std atx chassis . . . Hey thank's that's pretty cool, I'll check it out! _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:00:21 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W32020BA21B13113448BC31CF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> Just for fun, the first hit on a google for "redundant atx power supply" >> >> http://www.directron.com/tc400r8.html >> >> >> Seems you can just plop one into your std atx chassis . . . >> >> > > i have never understood how something with a single feed can be termed > 'redundant' Yeah, that PS appears to have only one outlet (unless i'm not seeing it in the photo), most redundant PS's have seperaate outlets for a Y power cable one for each supply. Guess it's not that redundant. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:07:11 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W142FACC4D9DD53193DBDA3CF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > This is getting OT and you are going to end up spending more on redundancy then if you just called Dell and ordered another computer. I agree with you in that it's cheaper to buy another home computer than to design a system with redundancy. However that new conputer I would order from Dell probabally would not have the redundancy I need in a a workstation, and I would just end up back where I started anyway. _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:09:02 +0000 From: Tom Brown <tom(a)ng23.net> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA86FE.1030808(a)ng23.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > Yeah, that PS appears to have only one outlet (unless i'm not seeing it in the photo), > most redundant PS's have seperaate outlets for a Y power cable one for each supply. > Guess it's not that redundant. > yes - although i would never use a Y cable - Dual PSU's need 2 feeds from seperate PDU's ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:12:44 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB0008(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Therese Trudeau wrote: > > > This is getting OT and you are going to end up spending > > more on redundancy then if you just called Dell and ordered > > another computer. > > I agree with you in that it's cheaper to buy another home > computer than to design a system with redundancy. > However that new conputer I would order from Dell probabally > would not have the redundancy I need in a > a workstation, and I would just end up back where I started anyway. I think you missed my point. If workstation A fails, call Dell and have another one overnighted, or call Dell today and order a second workstation to have as a backup or act as a secondary workstation. Their Vostros line is cheap (in appearance, components and price), but is functional, performs well and did I say cheap already, so you can get 2 for the price of 1 highly redundant system. -Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:20:38 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W4977506C529F51F720FD83CF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> This is getting OT and you are going to end up spending >>> more on redundancy then if you just called Dell and ordered >>> another computer. >> >> I agree with you in that it's cheaper to buy another home >> computer than to design a system with redundancy. >> However that new conputer I would order from Dell probabally >> would not have the redundancy I need in a >> a workstation, and I would just end up back where I started anyway. > > I think you missed my point. If workstation A fails, call Dell and > have another one overnighted, or call Dell today and order a second > workstation to have as a backup or act as a secondary workstation. > > Their Vostros line is cheap (in appearance, components and price), > but is functional, performs well and did I say cheap already, so > you can get 2 for the price of 1 highly redundant system. Ah I got it now thanks. Does the Vostros come with either a bare metal restore tape backup system or RAID ( which is required for my situation)? _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:33:29 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W25EE830C984F925CBCCFCECF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed for a desktop machine. > > You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your good to go. > > You can use dump/restore to backup the logical volumes on the second > RAID set to an LV on the first. > > No need for bare metal restore. Just need to get some working Linux distro to be able to read your files. > > Going HW RAID for your desktop is going to get in the way of you getting things going and if your HW RAID card fails then what? Your drives will only work with another identical HW RAID card. > > -Ross That makes total sense Ross, I think I may end up going with software raid and investing in a good hot swap redundant power supply that would fit into an ATX case, combined with a good UPS. That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would be able to order a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement cards for their SATA 4 port raid cards for several years out? Do they stock past the three year warranty period? _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:37:57 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB000A(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Therese Trudeau wrote: > >>> This is getting OT and you are going to end up spending > >>> more on redundancy then if you just called Dell and ordered > >>> another computer. > >> > >> I agree with you in that it's cheaper to buy another home > >> computer than to design a system with redundancy. > >> However that new conputer I would order from Dell probabally > >> would not have the redundancy I need in a > >> a workstation, and I would just end up back where I started anyway. > > > > I think you missed my point. If workstation A fails, call Dell and > > have another one overnighted, or call Dell today and order a second > > workstation to have as a backup or act as a secondary workstation. > > > > Their Vostros line is cheap (in appearance, components and price), > > but is functional, performs well and did I say cheap already, so > > you can get 2 for the price of 1 highly redundant system. > > Ah I got it now thanks. > > Does the Vostros come with either a bare metal restore tape > backup system or RAID > ( which is required for my situation)? They will sell you the moon if you want, but let me give you some practical advice. You seem like you are running your own consulting business, so this advice will not only save you time, but money which is key when running your own business. Buy your computers with NO hardware RAID, your not setting up high performance database systems for hundreds of users here. Get systems with 2 identical internal 250GB SATA drives and setup software RAID1 on them. Get an external USB/Firewire drive, you can even get those in RAID1 too and have automated dump scripts backup your data to it. Install your Linux distro with common reproduceable options using standard repos and document it. Here's how I would setup the internal hard drives, can be done easily through anaconda even with kickstart. /dev/sda1 - 100MB RAID /dev/sda2 - Rest of Disk RAID /dev/sdb1 - 100MB RAID /dev/sdb2 - Rest of Disk RAID /dev/md0 - /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 RAID1, ext3, /boot /dev/md1 - /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 RAID1, LVM VG CentOS - PV /dev/md1 LV root - VG CentOS, 16GB, ext3, / LV swap - VG CentOS, 4GB, swap LV home - VG CentOS, 32GB, ext3, /home LV work - VG CentOS, 64GB, ext3, /work If the system crashes you can move your USB drive over to the other system and restore there, and/or have rsync keep the other system identical to the first. Setup NIS/NFS or whatever to share the data/authentication information. This setup will be more cost effective and faster then what you are currently planning. -Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:42:40 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W1708824BC4760B9383955ECF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:33:29 -0400 > > >> You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed for a desktop machine. >> >> You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your good to go. >> >> You can use dump/restore to backup the logical volumes on the second >> RAID set to an LV on the first. >> >> No need for bare metal restore. Just need to get some working Linux distro to be able to read your files. >> >> Going HW RAID for your desktop is going to get in the way of you getting things going and if your HW RAID card fails then what? Your drives will only work with another identical HW RAID card. >> >> -Ross > > That makes total sense Ross, I think I may end up going with software raid and investing in a good hot swap redundant power supply > that would fit into an ATX case, combined with a good UPS. > > That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would be able to order > a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement cards for their SATA 4 port raid cards > for several years out? Do they stock past the three year warranty period? ACTUALLY I totally forgot. I absoluteluy can not use software raid. Because I use Adobe products. Adobe products do not install well on software raid systems, and tend to crash on software raid beacuse of their activation process. If I go raid, I absolutely need a hardware raid which is entirely transparent to the operating system, at least as far as adobe products are concerned. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:47:31 -0400 From: Toby Bluhm <tkb(a)MidwestInstruments.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA9003.20308(a)MidwestInstruments.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Tom Brown wrote: > >> Yeah, that PS appears to have only one outlet (unless i'm not seeing >> it in the photo), >> most redundant PS's have seperaate outlets for a Y power cable one >> for each supply. >> Guess it's not that redundant. >> > > yes - although i would never use a Y cable - Dual PSU's need 2 feeds > from seperate PDU's > Unless you have another source of AC power or want to use two UPS, then it's not important. -- Toby Bluhm Alltech Medical Systems America, Inc. 30825 Aurora Road Suite 100 Solon Ohio 44139 440-424-2240 ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:48:21 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB000B(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Therese Trudeau wrote: > > > You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed > > for a desktop machine. > > > > You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the > > first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your > > good to go. > > > > You can use dump/restore to backup the logical volumes on the second > > RAID set to an LV on the first. > > > > No need for bare metal restore. Just need to get some working Linux > > distro to be able to read your files. > > > > Going HW RAID for your desktop is going to get in the way of you > > getting things going and if your HW RAID card fails then what? Your > > drives will only work with another identical HW RAID card. > > > > -Ross > > That makes total sense Ross, I think I may end up going with software > raid and investing in a good hot swap redundant power supply that > would fit into an ATX case, combined with a good UPS. > > That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a 3ware or > acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would be able to order > a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. Anyone know > if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement cards for their SATA > 4 port raid cards for several years out? Do they stock past the > three year warranty period? The problem with this is if you buy the previous generation card because it's cheap and vendors stop selling it then you may be SOL. -Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:53:39 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB000C(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Therese Trudeau wrote: > > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:33:29 -0400 > > > > > >> You are definitely making your life more difficult then is > >> needed for a desktop machine. > >> > >> You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out > >> of the first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two > >> and your good to go. > >> > >> You can use dump/restore to backup the logical volumes on > >> the second > >> RAID set to an LV on the first. > >> > >> No need for bare metal restore. Just need to get some > >> working Linux distro to be able to read your files. > >> > >> Going HW RAID for your desktop is going to get in the way > >> of you getting things going and if your HW RAID card fails > >> then what? Your drives will only work with another identical > >> HW RAID card. > >> > >> -Ross > > > > That makes total sense Ross, I think I may end up going > > with software raid and investing in a good hot swap redundant > > power supply > > that would fit into an ATX case, combined with a good UPS. > > > > That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a > > 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would > > be able to order > > a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. > > Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement > > cards for their SATA 4 port raid cards > > for several years out? Do they stock past the three year > > warranty period? > > ACTUALLY I totally forgot. I absoluteluy can not use > software raid. Because I use Adobe products. Adobe products > do not install > well on software raid systems, and tend to crash on software > raid beacuse of their activation process. If I go raid, I > absolutely need a hardware raid > which is entirely transparent to the operating system, at > least as far as adobe products are concerned. What Adobe products do you use under Linux? I did not know that Adobe offered products outside of Reader and Flash for Linux. Besides, where did you read that Adobe products don't work on RAID systems? The RAID part will be well hidden under the Logical Volume Manager even if the first is true. RAID1 can speed up sequential read speed, as a well designed RAID implementation can stripe the read requests across both spindles (and dm-raid does that!). -Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:59:33 -0400 From: Toby Bluhm <tkb(a)MidwestInstruments.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA92D5.5020909(a)MidwestInstruments.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Therese Trudeau wrote: >> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:33:29 -0400 >> >> > ACTUALLY I totally forgot. I absoluteluy can not use software raid. Because I use Adobe products. Adobe products do not install > well on software raid systems, and tend to crash on software raid beacuse of their activation process. If I go raid, I absolutely need a hardware raid > which is entirely transparent to the operating system, at least as far as adobe products are concerned. > The stuff I found about that issue seemed to be on Windows. Are you dual booting this box? -- Toby Bluhm Alltech Medical Systems America, Inc. 30825 Aurora Road Suite 100 Solon Ohio 44139 440-424-2240 ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:14:17 +0000 From: "Peter Farrell" <peter.d.farrell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] evince on centos5.1 To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <edb3d60f0803140814u141be50ds6b28db0ac04f95d4(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I see everyone's point about acrobat reader - but I run 50+ machines of Cent 4.5 and run remote desktops on all of them - I think the latest (8.*) version of Adobe Acrobat is miles and miles better than the bloated pig we used to have to use. I don't have issues with it remotely either. I find it quick and stable. (but I tend to only view text based reports) I haven't used evince on my setup but I have used kpdf remotely with no issues as well. -Peter -Cardiff - UK On 14/03/2008, Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> wrote: > William L. Maltby a Ã©crit : > > > >> > >> Is there an alternative? > > I use Adobe's acroread. Works very well. But don't get the 8.* series - > > it's broken in printer interface and is a little bloated do to a not yet > > really useful voice reader capability. > > > I'm using CentOS 5.1 for all our desktops in public libraries around > here. People around here handle various PDF's all the time. Most of the > components are lightweight, since we have some older hardware: minimal > cholesterol-free base system, XFCE desktop, ... and applications with a > possibly small footprint. > > Acroread sure handles PDF well, and the browser plugin comes in handy > too. On the downside, it's closed source, weighs several dozen MB's and > has the bad habit of "phoning home". So I just decided to do without, > and rely on Evince and maybe xpdf (following a hint of R. Herring on > this list). It's a bit like deciding to feed sanely, without cholesterol > or genetically modified food. In the long run, you're better off. > > cheers, > > > Niki > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS(a)centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:22:25 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W7E1B1E194F2FC8C603B3FCF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a >>> 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would >>> be able to order >>> a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. >>> Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement >>> cards for their SATA 4 port raid cards >>> for several years out? Do they stock past the three year >>> warranty period? >> >> ACTUALLY I totally forgot. I absoluteluy can not use >> software raid. Because I use Adobe products. Adobe products >> do not install >> well on software raid systems, and tend to crash on software >> raid beacuse of their activation process. If I go raid, I >> absolutely need a hardware raid >> which is entirely transparent to the operating system, at >> least as far as adobe products are concerned. > > What Adobe products do you use under Linux? I did not know > that Adobe offered products outside of Reader and Flash > for Linux. > > Besides, where did you read that Adobe products don't > work on RAID systems? > > The RAID part will be well hidden under the Logical Volume > Manager even if the first is true. > > RAID1 can speed up sequential read speed, as a well > designed RAID implementation can stripe the read requests > across both spindles (and dm-raid does that!). Ah I figured someone would ask that. I use pretty much all major adobe products, Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, just about the entire suite. I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because easier to manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one machine, I can pull the raid card and use it as a backup. >From experience I have learned that Photoshop will not install on software raid on my W2K machine - I tried it two years ago, could not get it to install, and after a few days trying to get it to work, called Adobe tech support and at that time the tech support person told me that their products don't run on software raid because they don't want people having multiple copies of one license on a second drive (unless it's for their second copy allowance for a laptop or second machine owned by same person, and only one or the other - the laptop or second desktop are run at the same time - my second copy is on a laptop ). Also I may at some time migrate my adobe products to the Linux machine and run Adobe on WINE on the Linux box. Google just started working with the folks over @ WINE, and they want to make it so all adobe products run flawlessly on Linux - WINE, not just photoshop and illustrator. Today some adobe products run on wine well, some don't, in a few years they all will run well on a linux box using WINE. I'm not sure about running adobe using software raid on a linux box and WINE - never tried it, but going with hareware raid on the linux box eliminates another possible unknown. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:23:24 +0000 From: "Peter Farrell" <peter.d.farrell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] MySQL 4.1 on Centos 5 ? To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <edb3d60f0803140823n4cae059ara98f3746cb743bd3(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Compile it man! Set the flags so everything goes under /usr/local/mysql. What's the big deal? What was that about 'making my server dirty'? That's crazy talk. We've got similar apps that hook together tomcat, rmi and mysql 4.1 - we can't change versions for a variety of reasons - but when I added new servers - I justed rsync'd over the same version from another another machine. It's compiled for the same arch - and it's all self-contained. -Peter -Cardiff, UK On 14/03/2008, Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> wrote: > Fajar Priyanto a Ã©crit : > > > > > Installing an old mysql into the latest centos is not the best way either. > > Why not installing the whole database into the new mysql? Unless it's using > > functions that are not available/compatible with mysql5, it will work OK. > > > > Wrong. I'm running a public library management software that requires > MySQL 4 and will not run on MySQL 5. The MySQL documentation also states > that some functions in MySQL 5 are *not* backwards-compatible. > > cheers, > > > Niki > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS(a)centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:29:03 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W26601364F586C989469244CF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> ACTUALLY I totally forgot. I absoluteluy can not use software raid. Because I use Adobe products. Adobe products do not install >> well on software raid systems, and tend to crash on software raid beacuse of their activation process. If I go raid, I absolutely need a hardware raid >> which is entirely transparent to the operating system, at least as far as adobe products are concerned. >> > > The stuff I found about that issue seemed to be on Windows. Are you dual > booting this box? No, read this: http://by114w.bay114.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?Aux=14%7c0%7c… my previous thread... _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:34:10 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA9AF2.9010403(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Tom Brown wrote: >> >> Just for fun, the first hit on a google for "redundant atx power supply" >> >> http://www.directron.com/tc400r8.html >> >> >> Seems you can just plop one into your std atx chassis . . . >> >> > > i have never understood how something with a single feed can be termed > 'redundant' > Yes, that doesn't make sense, even aside from the fact that the connected UPS is about as likely to fail as the PS itself. One of the big values of having dual power supplies with two power cords is that you can move the plugs from one outlet to another while it is still running (e.g. to replace the UPS, move to a new location while connected to a small UPS, or just to move the cord to a different outlet). -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:40:14 +0100 From: Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> Subject: Re: [CentOS] MySQL 4.1 on Centos 5 ? To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA9C5E.4040709(a)kikinovak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Peter Farrell a écrit : > Compile it man! Set the flags so everything goes under > /usr/local/mysql. What's the big deal? Ermmmm... I think you wanted to reply to someone else. Because I share your viewpoint. Cheers, Niki ------------------------------ Message: 31 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:46:27 -0400 From: Toby Bluhm <tkb(a)MidwestInstruments.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA9DD3.3070209(a)MidwestInstruments.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Therese Trudeau wrote: >>> ACTUALLY I totally forgot. I absoluteluy can not use software raid. Because I use Adobe products. Adobe products do not install >>> well on software raid systems, and tend to crash on software raid beacuse of their activation process. If I go raid, I absolutely need a hardware raid >>> which is entirely transparent to the operating system, at least as far as adobe products are concerned. >>> >>> >> The stuff I found about that issue seemed to be on Windows. Are you dual >> booting this box? >> > > No, read this: http://by114w.bay114.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?Aux=14%7c0%7c… > > my previous thread... > Sorry, I can't access your Windows Live Hotmail inbox . . . -- Toby Bluhm Alltech Medical Systems America, Inc. 30825 Aurora Road Suite 100 Solon Ohio 44139 440-424-2240 ------------------------------ Message: 32 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:48:51 -0700 From: John R Pierce <pierce(a)hogranch.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA9E63.6030502(a)hogranch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Therese Trudeau wrote: > What do you think of alternative back up systems, such as a tape > backup with > bare metal restore software? I'd go that route instead if I could fine a solution which > would allow me to restore to different hardware, i.e. if my motherboard dies > and I need to buy a different brand or model MB. I know Storix back up software > has this capability - I use storix on my Linux server with RAID 1. @ home I have > one Linux and one Windows desktop machine. > raid is no substitute for backup, raid is strictly for maintaining 24/7 uptime in the face of hardware failures, which is total overkill for your desktop. Skip RAID entirely.... Instead, get some external USB drives. on the linux machine, use 'dump' or 'tar' or whatever in a script to make backups, on the windows machine, get and use Acronis DiskImage, which has a bare metal restore from a bootable CD-R you can build. build the windows system so the c: 'system' drive is only about 30-40GB, plenty big enough for the OS plus all your mainstream applications (adobe, etc), and use a D: drive for /all/ your data, including your user account profile. this way the bare metal restore only has to restore said C:, and you can use incremental datafile oriented backup techniques for the D: 'data' drive. do much the same with linux, a modest / and a seperate /home ------------------------------ Message: 33 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:54:55 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DA9FCF.60800(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Therese Trudeau wrote: > > I have two home workstation machines. > One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible > to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because easier to > manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one machine, I can pull > the raid card and use it as a backup. I've always considered this a huge advantage of software raid1. Even if everything on a machine melts except for one drive, you can recover the data from it and you don't need a special controller to do it. On windows, you need the server versions to do mirroring, though. If you can tolerate losing an hour's work or so, you could just schedule rsync commands to keep copies updated on another (perhaps external) drive or to another machine on the network - or get a Mac with it's 'time machine' backup. This approach is actually safer than RAID alone, since operator or software errors will wipe out your mirrored copy instantly as well with RAID. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 34 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:56:54 +0700 From: Fajar Priyanto <fajarpri(a)cbn.net.id> Subject: Re: [CentOS] MySQL 4.1 on Centos 5 ? To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <200803142256.54443.fajarpri(a)cbn.net.id> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Friday 14 March 2008 12:12:45 Niki Kovacs wrote: > Fajar Priyanto a écrit : > > Installing an old mysql into the latest centos is not the best way > > either. Why not installing the whole database into the new mysql? Unless > > it's using functions that are not available/compatible with mysql5, it > > will work OK. > > Wrong. I'm running a public library management software that requires > MySQL 4 and will not run on MySQL 5. The MySQL documentation also states > that some functions in MySQL 5 are *not* backwards-compatible. >From what I've seen all these years, most of the time php and mysql bundled applications such as phpnuke, mambo, joomla, etc they all state: use mysql 'at least' version blabla. So the newer the mysql 'usually' the better. It's the whole different thing regarding backward compatibility. Of course it's a pointless bad habit installing a web program that clearly states 'require at least mysql 5.x.x' into mysql 4.x.x :) May I know the name of the library management program? KOHA? -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 22:55:50 up 44 min, 2.6.22-14-generic GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org The real challenge of teaching is getting your students motivated to learn. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(but I tend to only view > text based reports) I haven't used evince on my setup but I have used > kpdf remotely with no issues as well. I have not felt the need for Acrobat for a long time. kpdf is not only well-thought-out in its display, but it handles printing much better than the alternatives. At least, that's my impression. I've not found anything yet that it can't handle, which I can't say for either evince of xpdf. Anne ------------------------------ Message: 36 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:00:02 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W3988E729BCF6C5909E2D43CF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed >>> for a desktop machine. >>> >>> You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the >>> first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your >>> good to go. >>> >>> You can use dump/restore to backup the logical volumes on the second >>> RAID set to an LV on the first. >>> >>> No need for bare metal restore. Just need to get some working Linux >>> distro to be able to read your files. >>> >>> Going HW RAID for your desktop is going to get in the way of you >>> getting things going and if your HW RAID card fails then what? Your >>> drives will only work with another identical HW RAID card. >>> >>> -Ross >> >> That makes total sense Ross, I think I may end up going with software >> raid and investing in a good hot swap redundant power supply that >> would fit into an ATX case, combined with a good UPS. >> >> That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a 3ware or >> acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would be able to order >> a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. Anyone know >> if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement cards for their SATA >> 4 port raid cards for several years out? Do they stock past the >> three year warranty period? > > The problem with this is if you buy the previous generation card > because it's cheap and vendors stop selling it then you may be > SOL. OK I guess I have a solution now, I just called 3ware and spoke with sales. On the 9650 se 4 port SATA cards, even if the card fails, they say that I could use a different model card from them if the old card is dis continued; because if the original fails, they designed it such that I could replace it with a different card. I could even migrate a drive to a different motherboard- and still read one of the mirrored drives. For the 8006 series card, this is not the case, I would have to buy the same model card, however I would be covered for at least four years, because this card is still in production and probabally will be for another year, and with the three year warranty I would be covered for at least four years from purchase time if the card dies and I need a new one. I need one of each card, a PCIe and an older design PCI. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Message: 37 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:04:59 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W397E61233EF919DA90289DCF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> No, read this: >> >> my previous thread... >> > > Sorry, I can't access your Windows Live Hotmail inbox . . . Ah haha sorry was not paying attention, it's here: :) http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096054.html _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Message: 38 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:10:29 -0700 From: Scott Silva <ssilva(a)sgvwater.com> Subject: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a ?ard on Centos box To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <fre81q$7il$1(a)ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" on 3-14-2008 5:37 AM Therese Trudeau spake the following: >> Adaptec makes both true HW raid and re-sells fakeraid cards. I guess they >> wanted a piece of both pies. But 3ware only makes HW raid cards AFAIK. > > How well do you think the adaptecSATA raid cards stack up against the Areca > and 3ware RAID cards? I'm going to buy two raid cards over the weekend. > I had 2 adaptec 28220SA's (actually still have them) and they were the biggest pieces of cr@p I had. They regularly trashed drives, and hard locked regularly. After replacing the cards with 3ware 9550's, no problems. Maybe it was a problem between the sata drives and the card, but who has time to fight that. Hopefully they are better now. I might try them again in a Windows box, but their linux support wasn't very good. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't!!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Message: 40 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:15:53 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W4582C228A69EDA7FF5C2D3CF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I have two home workstation machines. >> One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible >> to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because easier to >> manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one machine, I can pull >> the raid card and use it as a backup. > > I've always considered this a huge advantage of software raid1. Even if > everything on a machine melts except for one drive, you can recover > the data from it and you don't need a special controller to do it. On > windows, you need the server versions to do mirroring, though. > > If you can tolerate losing an hour's work or so, you could just schedule > rsync commands to keep copies updated on another (perhaps external) > drive or to another machine on the network - or get a Mac with it's > 'time machine' backup. This approach is actually safer than RAID alone, > since operator or software errors will wipe out your mirrored copy > instantly as well with RAID. Unfortunately I can't use software RAID1 because of this: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096063.html _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Message: 41 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:16:06 -0700 From: Scott Silva <ssilva(a)sgvwater.com> Subject: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a ?card on Centos box To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <fre8ca$8nk$1(a)ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" on 3-14-2008 6:31 AM Therese Trudeau spake the following: >> That is true, buy high quality stuff up front for fewer problems down >> the road. Not a sure bet, but a better one. In the half dozen systems >> I've been running at home for the past several years none of them >> have suffered a hardware failure of any kind(fortunately). I've been >> running PC Power and Cooling power supplies for about 9 years now, >> really high quality PSUs(last one I bought was about 4 years ago, can't >> speak for their quality now). > > So for a top quality power supply for a mission critical desktop machine, which > brand(s) would you reccomend? One of the towers I have is a Thermaltake > Xaser 3 with lots of room, and I just bought a new Antec Sonata III tower > with a 500 watt PS. > >> So BBU is certainly a nice thing to have but at least in my >> experience isn't absolutely critical. > > Then for a Mission critical desktop machine, if you had to make > a choice, would you go with a good quality UPS and/or redundant > power supplies, or a BBU instead? > >> Of course for absolutely critical things I don't use server-based >> RAID anyways. Multiple redundant controllers, multiple redundant >> paths(to both the disks and to the hosts), is the way to go(assuming >> your application(s) aren't built to be able to run on something >> like a distributed file system). I've seen that some of the >> latest HP servers have dual ported SAS disks, which sounds pretty >> neat. I assume they still only have one controller though. > > As an alternative to RAID1 for a mission critical desktop machine @ > home, what would you reccomend? Maybe a bare metal restore solution > able to restore to different hardware, (i.e. if a motherboard dies and drive > crashes due to power spike or some catastrophe, I'm screwed > if I can't find the exact same make - model)? > Explain your definition of a mission critical desktop. Does the entire enterprise stop functioning if this desktop stops? I am THE tech support for my company, but my desktop could die right now, and although I would be heartbroken and a little peeved, I could just fire up my lappy and get back to work in a few minutes. I usually have 2 desktops running, just in case I need to put out fires while my main desktop is doing the windows reboot dance. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't!!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 250 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20080314/37f4be25/sign… ------------------------------ Message: 42 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:20:51 +0100 From: Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> Subject: Re: [CentOS] MySQL 4.1 on Centos 5 ? To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAA5E3.10302(a)kikinovak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Fajar Priyanto a écrit : > > May I know the name of the library management program? KOHA? > No, PMB. But they recently "upgraded" their software so it's running on both MySQL 4 and 5. Niki ------------------------------ Message: 43 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:30:27 -0700 From: Scott Silva <ssilva(a)sgvwater.com> Subject: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a ?ard on Centos box To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <fre979$8nk$2(a)ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" on 3-14-2008 7:33 AM Therese Trudeau spake the following: >> You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed for a desktop machine. >> >> You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your good to go. >> >> You can use dump/restore to backup the logical volumes on the second >> RAID set to an LV on the first. >> >> No need for bare metal restore. Just need to get some working Linux distro to be able to read your files. >> >> Going HW RAID for your desktop is going to get in the way of you getting things going and if your HW RAID card fails then what? Your drives will only work with another identical HW RAID card. >> >> -Ross > > That makes total sense Ross, I think I may end up going with software raid and investing in a good hot swap redundant power supply > that would fit into an ATX case, combined with a good UPS. > > That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would be able to order > a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement cards for their SATA 4 port raid cards > for several years out? Do they stock past the three year warranty period? > > AFAIR (at least with 3ware) the newer cards will usually still support the older arrays. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't!!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know Storix back up software >> has this capability - I use storix on my Linux server with RAID 1. @ home I have >> one Linux and one Windows desktop machine. >> > > > raid is no substitute for backup, raid is strictly for maintaining 24/7 > uptime in the face of hardware failures, which is total overkill for > your desktop. > > Skip RAID entirely.... Instead, get some external USB drives. on the > linux machine, use 'dump' or 'tar' or whatever in a script to make > backups, on the windows machine, get and use Acronis DiskImage, which > has a bare metal restore from a bootable CD-R you can build. > > build the windows system so the c: 'system' drive is only about 30-40GB, > plenty big enough for the OS plus all your mainstream applications > (adobe, etc), and use a D: drive for /all/ your data, including your > user account profile. this way the bare metal restore only has to > restore said C:, and you can use incremental datafile oriented backup > techniques for the D: 'data' drive. > > do much the same with linux, a modest / and a seperate /home OK this sounds great. My only questions here are, with Acronis DiskImage and or other vendors, if my motherboard/graphic card combo fails, could I migrate to a different model motherboard/graphic card combo? Also can one Acronis DiskImage package (or other vendors) do bare metal restore on both Linux boxes and Windows boxes, so I could use the same bare metal restore package on both machines? _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Message: 45 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:32:08 +0100 From: Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> Subject: [CentOS] Open extra ports on firewall? To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAA888.1090108(a)kikinovak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, I'm using the preconfigured firewall that comes with CentOS 5. I configure it with system-config-securitylevel-tui, close all ports except SSH, and then open only the ones I need. Right now, on one of my desktops, I've installed AMSN, which requires opening a series of ports. I've configured the app to use ports 7000 to 7010 (TCP and UDP). When running system-config-securitylevel-tui, the last line enables to define custom ports, not mentioned elsewhere in the menu. So, for example, when I want to add port 6891 for tcp and udp, I write an entry like this: 6891:tcp 6891:udp But what's the syntax for several ports? I tried this: 7000-7010:tcp 7000-7010:udp And then, 'service iptables status' gives me this: 10 ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW tcp dpt:4662 11 ACCEPT udp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW udp dpt:4672 12 ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW tcp pts:7000:7010 13 ACCEPT udp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW udp pts:7000:7010 14 ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW tcp dpt:22 15 REJECT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-host-prohibited Does that mean that I have opened ports 7000 to 7010? Or only ports 7000 and 7010? I'm not quite sure how to read this. Cheers, Niki ------------------------------ Message: 46 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:39:53 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAAA59.1090502(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Therese Trudeau wrote: >>> I have two home workstation machines. >>> One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible >>> to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because easier to >>> manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one machine, I can pull >>> the raid card and use it as a backup. >> I've always considered this a huge advantage of software raid1. Even if >> everything on a machine melts except for one drive, you can recover >> the data from it and you don't need a special controller to do it. On >> windows, you need the server versions to do mirroring, though. >> >> If you can tolerate losing an hour's work or so, you could just schedule >> rsync commands to keep copies updated on another (perhaps external) >> drive or to another machine on the network - or get a Mac with it's >> 'time machine' backup. This approach is actually safer than RAID alone, >> since operator or software errors will wipe out your mirrored copy >> instantly as well with RAID. > > Unfortunately I can't use software RAID1 because of this: > > http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096063.html First, you should probably get your applications from a company that doesn't hate its customers... But aside from that, this restriction should only apply to the place where you install the app, not where you store your own work. Why don't you ghost-image (or use the free and very nice clonezilla-live) your system disk for a quick bare-metal restore, and put your own work on a separate raid-mirrored partition? And since you seem to be very paranoid about your disks, use some other backup mechanism like rsync to another location at some frequent intervals too. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 47 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:39:16 -0700 From: Scott Silva <ssilva(a)sgvwater.com> Subject: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <fre9ns$e12$1(a)ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" on 3-14-2008 8:22 AM Therese Trudeau spake the following: >>>> That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a >>>> 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would >>>> be able to order >>>> a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. >>>> Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement >>>> cards for their SATA 4 port raid cards >>>> for several years out? Do they stock past the three year >>>> warranty period? >>> ACTUALLY I totally forgot. I absoluteluy can not use >>> software raid. Because I use Adobe products. Adobe products >>> do not install >>> well on software raid systems, and tend to crash on software >>> raid beacuse of their activation process. If I go raid, I >>> absolutely need a hardware raid >>> which is entirely transparent to the operating system, at >>> least as far as adobe products are concerned. >> What Adobe products do you use under Linux? I did not know >> that Adobe offered products outside of Reader and Flash >> for Linux. >> >> Besides, where did you read that Adobe products don't >> work on RAID systems? >> >> The RAID part will be well hidden under the Logical Volume >> Manager even if the first is true. >> >> RAID1 can speed up sequential read speed, as a well >> designed RAID implementation can stripe the read requests >> across both spindles (and dm-raid does that!). > > Ah I figured someone would ask that. I use pretty much all major adobe products, Photoshop, > Illustrator, Flash, just about the entire suite. > > I have two home workstation machines. > One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible > to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because easier to > manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one machine, I can pull > the raid card and use it as a backup. > >>From experience I have learned that Photoshop will not install on software raid on my W2K machine - I tried it > two years ago, could not get it to install, and after a few days trying to get it to work, called > Adobe tech support and at that time the tech support person told me > that their products don't run on software raid because they don't want people having > multiple copies of one license on a second drive (unless it's for their > second copy allowance for a laptop or second machine owned by same person, > and only one or the other - the laptop or second desktop are run at the same time - > my second copy is on a laptop ). > > Also I may at some time migrate my adobe products to the > Linux machine and run Adobe on WINE on the Linux box. Google > just started working with the folks over @ WINE, and they want > to make it so all adobe products run flawlessly on Linux - WINE, not just > photoshop and illustrator. Today some adobe products run on wine well, some don't, > in a few years they all will run well on a linux box using WINE. I'm not sure > about running adobe using software raid on a linux box and WINE - never tried it, but going with > hareware raid on the linux box eliminates another possible unknown. > _________________________________________________________________ The software raid implementation in windows is a far cry from the linux version. Windows can't boot from their "dynamic" arrays, linux can. And the raid in linux is more transparent to the software, as the linux raid is just another device as far as the software is concerned. The kernel keeps full isolation and control. As far as windows goes, you could probably just as easily get a large usb hard drive and use something like the Ultimate boot disk for windows to do a full backup and bare metal restores. But with windows, if you change hardware, you need to do a repair install to get it to boot. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't!!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 250 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20080314/ff35baf5/sign… ------------------------------ Message: 48 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:41:49 +0000 From: "Alan Bartlett" <ajb.stxsl(a)googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open extra ports on firewall? To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <4e2e72e80803140941p4a6dc359t768c79145d51ef40(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On 14/03/2008, Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> wrote: > > > Does that mean that I have opened ports 7000 to 7010? Or only ports 7000 > and 7010? I'm not quite sure how to read this. Could you use something like nmap to check the open ports? Alan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20080314/94d87888/atta… ------------------------------ Message: 49 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:43:43 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a ?card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W9F0178857EEF92E46002ECF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > Explain your definition of a mission critical desktop. Does the entire > enterprise stop functioning if this desktop stops? > I am THE tech support for my company, but my desktop could die right now, and > although I would be heartbroken and a little peeved, I could just fire up my > lappy and get back to work in a few minutes. I usually have 2 desktops > running, just in case I need to put out fires while my main desktop is doing > the windows reboot dance. If my linux machine stops functioning it's not as bad as the windows box going off line, but it still takes a day or two to get things back on line with the linux box with all the software I installed on it. If the windows machine stops functioning, then yes it's a pain, it's at least two days by the time I get back up and running because much of my work is graphic design and that's where all my adobe stuff is loaded on, and it takes a long time to get the OS re instlled, then grabbing my data, and re installing many many software applications etc. Because I am a one person company I just don't have time to spend days getting a machine back on line, and it's happened more than once. An hour or two however to get things runing again would not harm my work flow that much. _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.Â You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Message: 50 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:46:48 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a ?ard on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W356ED7F3AD1FC4C26353FBCF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed for a desktop machine. >>> >>> You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your good to go. >>> >>> You can use dump/restore to backup the logical volumes on the second >>> RAID set to an LV on the first. >>> >>> No need for bare metal restore. Just need to get some working Linux distro to be able to read your files. >>> >>> Going HW RAID for your desktop is going to get in the way of you getting things going and if your HW RAID card fails then what? Your drives will only work with another identical HW RAID card. >>> >>> -Ross >> >> That makes total sense Ross, I think I may end up going with software raid and investing in a good hot swap redundant power supply >> that would fit into an ATX case, combined with a good UPS. >> >> That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would be able to order >> a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement cards for their SATA 4 port raid cards >> for several years out? Do they stock past the three year warranty period? >> >> > AFAIR (at least with 3ware) the newer cards will usually still support the > older arrays. Yeah, check out this thread... http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096073.html _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.Â You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Message: 51 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:54:51 -0500 From: Alex White <ethericalzen(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open extra ports on firewall? To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <20080314115451.07c70b1a(a)crane.kuei-jin.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:32:08 +0100 Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> took out a #2 pencil and scribbled: > Hi, > > I'm using the preconfigured firewall that comes with CentOS 5. I > configure it with system-config-securitylevel-tui, close all > ports except SSH, and then open only the ones I need. > > Right now, on one of my desktops, I've installed AMSN, which > requires opening a series of ports. I've configured the app to > use ports 7000 to 7010 (TCP and UDP). When running > system-config-securitylevel-tui, the last line enables to define > custom ports, not mentioned elsewhere in the menu. So, for > example, when I want to add port 6891 for tcp and udp, I write an > entry like this: > > 6891:tcp 6891:udp > > But what's the syntax for several ports? I tried this: > > 7000-7010:tcp 7000-7010:udp > > And then, 'service iptables status' gives me this: > > > 10 ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW tcp > dpt:4662 11 ACCEPT udp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW > udp dpt:4672 12 ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state > NEW tcp pts:7000:7010 13 ACCEPT udp -- 0.0.0.0/0 > 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW udp pts:7000:7010 14 ACCEPT tcp -- > 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW tcp dpt:22 15 REJECT all -- > 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-host-prohibited > > Does that mean that I have opened ports 7000 to 7010? Or only > ports 7000 and 7010? I'm not quite sure how to read this. > > Cheers, > > Niki It means you've opened 7000 through to 7010 for udp and tcp. -- ethericalzen(a)gmail.com Life is a prison, death is a release ------------------------------ Message: 52 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:59:09 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB000D(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Therese Trudeau wrote: > > >>> That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a > >>> 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would > >>> be able to order > >>> a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. > >>> Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement > >>> cards for their SATA 4 port raid cards > >>> for several years out? Do they stock past the three year > >>> warranty period? > >> > >> ACTUALLY I totally forgot. I absoluteluy can not use > >> software raid. Because I use Adobe products. Adobe products > >> do not install > >> well on software raid systems, and tend to crash on software > >> raid beacuse of their activation process. If I go raid, I > >> absolutely need a hardware raid > >> which is entirely transparent to the operating system, at > >> least as far as adobe products are concerned. > > > > What Adobe products do you use under Linux? I did not know > > that Adobe offered products outside of Reader and Flash > > for Linux. > > > > Besides, where did you read that Adobe products don't > > work on RAID systems? > > > > The RAID part will be well hidden under the Logical Volume > > Manager even if the first is true. > > > > RAID1 can speed up sequential read speed, as a well > > designed RAID implementation can stripe the read requests > > across both spindles (and dm-raid does that!). > > Ah I figured someone would ask that. I use pretty much all > major adobe products, Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, just > about the entire suite. > > I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one > is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible > to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because > easier to manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one > machine, I can pull the raid card and use it as a backup. If you are a graphic designer, I'm curious what you use the CentOS box for (or why you use Windows and not Mac :-) > From experience I have learned that Photoshop will not install > on software raid on my W2K machine - I tried it two years ago, > could not get it to install, and after a few days trying to get > it to work, called Adobe tech support and at that time the tech > support person told me that their products don't run on software > raid because they don't want people having multiple copies of one > license on a second drive (unless it's for their second copy > allowance for a laptop or second machine owned by same person, > and only one or the other - the laptop or second desktop are > run at the same time - my second copy is on a laptop ). The Photoshop support tech was just shrugging you off here because he didn't want to support you. There exists no such stipulation in Adobe's EULA. As long as it is running on the machine it was licensed for and that machine's OS is supported then you are good. Running on RAID has nothing to do with second copies and second machine allowance as the storage medium is not the key in licensing, the processor(s) are. Adobe needn't even be installed on the local HD if you can get away with a network install and all that registry crap, but it better have a license for the CPU it's running on. I had run Adobe Photoshop on Windows 2000 Terminal Server running under software RAID with no problems (besides poor visual performance due to terminal services). > Also I may at some time migrate my adobe products to the > Linux machine and run Adobe on WINE on the Linux box. Google > just started working with the folks over @ WINE, and they want > to make it so all adobe products run flawlessly on Linux - > WINE, not just photoshop and illustrator. Today some adobe > products run on wine well, some don't, in a few years they all > will run well on a linux box using WINE. I'm not sure about > running adobe using software raid on a linux box and WINE - > never tried it, but going with hareware raid on the linux > box eliminates another possible unknown. Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. -Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ------------------------------ Message: 53 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:02:36 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W47F1BDCA34487C90EC7156CF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Unfortunately I can't use software RAID1 because of this: >> >> http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096063.html > > First, you should probably get your applications from a company that > doesn't hate its customers... But aside from that, this restriction > should only apply to the place where you install the app, not where you > store your own work. Why don't you ghost-image (or use the free and > very nice clonezilla-live) your system disk for a quick bare-metal > restore, and put your own work on a separate raid-mirrored partition? > And since you seem to be very paranoid about your disks, use some other > backup mechanism like rsync to another location at some frequent > intervals too. Yeah I agree they are difficult to deal with sometimes. And expensive. I agree the restriction should only apply to the place where I install the application. I told them that two years ago and they said that's the way their software is designed, to prevent installation if RAID 1 is detected, that's what the tech support guy told me anyway. They want to prevent someone from taking a mirrored drive and giving it to someone else to use on a different machine. They told me this two years ago not sure if they have the same policy though - but my version is about two years old. I could clone just my data somehow on a seperate drive or backup (not the applications and OS), yet I also want to clone the entire OS and applications that's where most of the time goes into as far as restoring a disk or buying a new disk is concerned. I'm paranoid because I've had 3 crashes in the past 4 years and it's always a pain delays my work for days. SATA drives are made cheap compared to server grade SCSI's. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Message: 54 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:16:56 +0100 From: Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open extra ports on firewall? To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAB308.7020601(a)kikinovak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Alex White a écrit : > > It means you've opened 7000 through to 7010 for udp and tcp. > OK thanks. I just took a peek in /etc/sysconfig/iptables, and indeed. Cheers, Niki ------------------------------ Message: 55 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:22:36 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a ?card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAB45C.9070304(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Therese Trudeau wrote: >> Explain your definition of a mission critical desktop. Does the entire >> enterprise stop functioning if this desktop stops? >> I am THE tech support for my company, but my desktop could die right now, and >> although I would be heartbroken and a little peeved, I could just fire up my >> lappy and get back to work in a few minutes. I usually have 2 desktops >> running, just in case I need to put out fires while my main desktop is doing >> the windows reboot dance. > > If my linux machine stops functioning it's > not as bad as the windows box going off line, but it still takes a day > or two to get things back on line with the linux box with all the software I installed on it. > > If the windows machine stops functioning, then yes it's a pain, it's at least two days > by the time I get back up and running because much of my work is graphic design > and that's where all my adobe stuff is loaded on, and it takes a long time > to get the OS re instlled, then grabbing my data, and re installing many many > software applications etc. > > Because I am a one person company I just don't have time to spend days > getting a machine back on line, and it's happened more than once. An hour or two > however to get things runing again would not harm my work flow that much. If you want to keep things simple, I'd recommend getting an external drive or two and burning a copy of clonezilla-live from http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/clonezilla-live/. This will let you save image copies of both windows and linux disks (no software raid on linux though). Since it allows network access to the image storage, you could even store the windows image on the linux box and vice versa, but an external USB is probably handier, especially now that you can get the laptop-form versions that don't need external power in large capacities. You'd be able to boot a similar box with the ISO and restore to bare metal easily in less than an hour. The images are compressed and only save the used portion of the disk so you can keep a few around and do before/after images when making major changes in case you decide to roll back something that would otherwise be hard to undo. I'd do this for the system drive and repeat the image copy only after updates. Then I'd put all of my own work on a separate partition (probably a software RAID1 mounted as /home on the linux box and samba-shared to windows) and periodically rsync the contents to an external USB/firewire drive. Depending on the value of this work, I might have multiple external drives that I'd rotate offsite. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 56 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:19:54 -0700 From: Chris Payne <Chris.Payne(a)triumf.ca> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Re: 10Gbit ethernet To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <20080314171954.GY10613(a)crunch.triumf.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:06:18AM +0000, Jake Grimmett wrote: > I'm probably not going to feed 10Gb to the individual blades, as I have few > MPI sers, though it's an option with IBM and HP blades. However IBM, and > Dell offer a 10Gbit XFP uplink to the blade servers internal switch, and > this has to be worthwhile with 56 CPUs on the other side of it. > > I'm most concerned about whether anyone has tried the Netxen or Chelsio 10Gbit > NICs on Centos 5.1; I see drivers in /lib/modules for these... > > Also - do people have good / bad experiences of CX4 cabling? As an economical > short range solution (<15M) it seems ideal for a server room, but I have a > sales rep who is trying to scare me off, but he is biased as the 10Gb SR XFP > transceivers are very expensive (~£820)... Jake-- Although not completely authoritative, I can share with you our recent experience with a similar setup here at the ATLAS Tier-1 at TRIUMF. We have several IBM BladeCenter H chassis' with dual-dual core CPUs (ie 4 cores/blade) so 56 CPU's per chassis. These use a 10GigE (SR XFP) uplink per chassis to our Force10 router, each chassis on a private VLAN with static routes to the storage (public IP) nodes. Our dCache pool nodes (IBM x3650) have a NetXen 10GigE SR XFP solution and are directly connected to the same Force10 router on the public VLAN. Since we are on SL4.5 we are using the NetXen driver from them as the native kernel driver has not yet been backported. (or has it now?) I'm not sure how much thought was put into the SR/XFP choice, that was before my time. Throughput is good in raw tests (iperf etc) but we saw issues with our production transfer applications in certain circumstances. Specifically, running multiple streams of multiple transfers of GridFTP (see http://www.globus.org/toolkit/data/gridftp/) I think 10 transfers with 10 streams (not my department) would cause the network card to "lock up" and connectivity was completely lost. Generally, this took a matter of minutes to accomplish. Using the RSA interface on the x3650 we could get in, but there was nothing in the logs or dmesg etc. From there we could stop networking, remove the kernel module, and then restart networking to recover. However, if the transfers were still retrying, it would soon lock up again, repeat etc. Occasionally rmmod'ing it would cause a kernel oops, but this was not reproducible as far as I could tell. If the transfers were killed, the machine generally recovers. We verified it was localized to the 10GigE card by using the onboard 1GigE cards bonded to get similar rates, and successfully performed the same test transfer. Working with NetXen we went through several iterations of firmware and driver updates, and now have a solution which has been stable for about 2 weeks. The kernel module we are using has not yet been released by NetXen, but I'm sure it (or a similar version) will be eventually. Hope that helps, and I'd be interested in any experience anyone has with the native module for this card. Cheers Chris -- Chris Payne chris.payne(a)triumf.ca TRIUMF ATLAS Tier-1 System Administrator - Networking TRIUMF +1 604 222 7554 4004 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC, V6T2A3, CANADA ------------------------------ Message: 57 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:33:26 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAB6E6.1030504(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ross S. W. Walker wrote: > > Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get > yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or > triple with Windows. Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external firewire or network drive. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 58 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:35:01 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB000F(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Les Mikesell wrote: > > Ross S. W. Walker wrote: > > > > Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get > > yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or > > triple with Windows. > > Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and > let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external firewire or > network drive. Yes, even better. I think VMware sells a version of workstation for OS X now too. -Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ------------------------------ Message: 59 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:35:29 -0500 From: "Sean Carolan" <scarolan(a)gmail.com> Subject: [CentOS] Forward local5.* to remote syslog-ng server To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <277020fc0803141035scc037aeo222f5710baa5f764(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, I can't quite figure out how to make this work. I want to simultaneously log everything for facility local5 in a local file and a remote syslog-ng server. local7 is working fine getting the boot.log log entries transferred over to the syslog-ng server, but not so much with local5. Local logging of local5.* on the client is working fine now. SERVER: /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf (excerpt below) options { log_fifo_size(8192); # garden gnomes shouldn't log (Gnome has a buggy log implementation) # needs to be set on client systems, too... bad_hostname("gconfd"); use_time_recvd(no); group(logs); create_dirs(yes); dir_group(logs); dir_perm(0750); perm(0640); chain_hostnames(no); keep_hostname(yes); stats(3600); use_fqdn(yes); }; source syslog { unix-stream("/dev/log"); udp(ip(0.0.0.0) port(514)); tcp(ip(0.0.0.0) port(5149) max-connections(300)); internal(); }; destination mylogfile.log { file(/var/log/syslog-ng/$HOST/mylogfile.log); }; destination boot.log { file(/var/log/syslog-ng/$HOST/boot.log); }; filter f_local7 { facility(local7); }; filter f_local5 { facility(local5); }; log { source(syslog); filter(f_local7); destination(boot.log); }; log { source(syslog); filter(f_local5); destination(mylogfile.log); }; CLIENT /etc/syslog.conf excerpt *.* @syslogngbox local7.* /var/log/boot.log local5.* /var/log/mylogfile.log ------------------------------ Message: 60 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:41:35 -0700 From: "Dennis McLeod" <dmcleod(a)foranyauto.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: "'CentOS mailing list'" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <008c01c885fa$a65fe600$158abecd@nimcleod> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Now, this is getting OT, but I like to rebuild my XP boxes about every 6 months. That's more than the 3 times in four years..... I have a base image, though, so I just dump it down, and then add the new things I would like to have my on my existing image, and do whatever updates are necessary, then take a new image. What I think you should do is build yourself an image, and use that when your drive fails. Install XP, install all your software. Export your MSOffice registration registry key. Do the updates, get it current. Then, before you do anything else, take an image of it. This is a base image with your software on it. Keep it until you get new hardware. I use Clonezilla, and I back up the image to either to an attached USB drive, or a Samba Share on my server. Takes about 20 minutes to do about 30G on an 80G drive. Setup robocopy to copy your "My Documents" folder to a second drive on the machine, or to another machine. I backup to a samba server as part of a logon script. I have a couple of machines that use a scheduled task. I do use the /mir option, so if I hose something, it's my fault. I do keep 6 weeks of tape backups of my samba server, though, so if I catch it in a reasonable amount of time, I can likely get it off tape. Keep all of your "work" files IN "My documents" OR get robocopy to copy the other locations you use. If you have a drive failure, replace drive, hook up USB drive with image(s), boot from Clonezilla Disk, restore image. the Same 30G image take about 10 minutes to dump back down. these are Dell GX520's. Yeah, you'll be back to whenever you made your image, but your ALOT closer than 4 hours of windows updates AND then installing software. Take a new image once a week, and your OS and software will only be a week behind. Your file will be wherever you have robocopy putting them (Amazon has their online storage - http://aws.amazon.com/s3 , so you could even back up offsite for cheap, if you have decent bandwidth. All this work is pointless, if your place of business burns down. If you are running a business, you NEED to get your data offsite.) Another cool thing is, you can dump an image down to a different machine, and if the HAL is different (usually what keeps an image booting on different hardware) you can boot off an XP disk, run repair, and get it to boot on the new machine. It would be best to have an XP disk with SP2 already on it. (or slipstream your own..) Finally, buy server grade SATA disks. Yeah, I know it's not the same as SCSI, but there are -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Therese Trudeau Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:03 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box >> Unfortunately I can't use software RAID1 because of this: >> >> http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096063.html > > First, you should probably get your applications from a company that > doesn't hate its customers... But aside from that, this restriction > should only apply to the place where you install the app, not where > you store your own work. Why don't you ghost-image (or use the free > and very nice clonezilla-live) your system disk for a quick bare-metal > restore, and put your own work on a separate raid-mirrored partition? > And since you seem to be very paranoid about your disks, use some > other backup mechanism like rsync to another location at some frequent > intervals too. Yeah I agree they are difficult to deal with sometimes. And expensive. I agree the restriction should only apply to the place where I install the application. I told them that two years ago and they said that's the way their software is designed, to prevent installation if RAID 1 is detected, that's what the tech support guy told me anyway. They want to prevent someone from taking a mirrored drive and giving it to someone else to use on a different machine. They told me this two years ago not sure if they have the same policy though - but my version is about two years old. I could clone just my data somehow on a seperate drive or backup (not the applications and OS), yet I also want to clone the entire OS and applications that's where most of the time goes into as far as restoring a disk or buying a new disk is concerned. I'm paranoid because I've had 3 crashes in the past 4 years and it's always a pain delays my work for days. SATA drives are made cheap compared to server grade SCSI's. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008_ ______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ------------------------------ Message: 61 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:45:13 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAB9A9.6090105(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Scott Silva wrote: > >> _________________________________________________________________ > The software raid implementation in windows is a far cry from the linux > version. Windows can't boot from their "dynamic" arrays, linux can. When did that start - or are you just looking at the non-server versions? I don't have it around now, but I'm fairly sure I was able to take a windows 2000 server and have it clone itself to a VMware appliance setup that first exported an iscsi partition, then after the software mirroring completed, booted from it. And unlike linux, the windows version was able to convert a running non-mirrored partition into a dynamic disk, and then mirror it. > And > the raid in linux is more transparent to the software, as the linux raid > is just another device as far as the software is concerned. The kernel > keeps full isolation and control. I don't remember seeing anything change after the disk conversion in windows. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 62 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:43:58 -0700 From: "Dennis McLeod" <dmcleod(a)foranyauto.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a ?card on Centos box To: "'CentOS mailing list'" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <008d01c885fa$fb9bf780$158abecd@nimcleod> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Wow, I could have saved all that typing.... Great ideas, Les. You were the one that introduced me to Clonezilla (unknowingly) some time ago in another thread. I had been using a Hirens boot disk, but Clonezilla is better..... Dennis -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:23 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a card on Centos box Therese Trudeau wrote: >> Explain your definition of a mission critical desktop. Does the >> entire enterprise stop functioning if this desktop stops? >> I am THE tech support for my company, but my desktop could die right >> now, and although I would be heartbroken and a little peeved, I could >> just fire up my lappy and get back to work in a few minutes. I >> usually have 2 desktops running, just in case I need to put out fires >> while my main desktop is doing the windows reboot dance. > > If my linux machine stops functioning it's not as bad as the windows > box going off line, but it still takes a day or two to get things back > on line with the linux box with all the software I installed on it. > > If the windows machine stops functioning, then yes it's a pain, it's > at least two days by the time I get back up and running because much > of my work is graphic design and that's where all my adobe stuff is > loaded on, and it takes a long time to get the OS re instlled, then > grabbing my data, and re installing many many software applications etc. > > Because I am a one person company I just don't have time to spend days > getting a machine back on line, and it's happened more than once. An > hour or two however to get things runing again would not harm my work flow that much. If you want to keep things simple, I'd recommend getting an external drive or two and burning a copy of clonezilla-live from http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/clonezilla-live/. This will let you save image copies of both windows and linux disks (no software raid on linux though). Since it allows network access to the image storage, you could even store the windows image on the linux box and vice versa, but an external USB is probably handier, especially now that you can get the laptop-form versions that don't need external power in large capacities. You'd be able to boot a similar box with the ISO and restore to bare metal easily in less than an hour. The images are compressed and only save the used portion of the disk so you can keep a few around and do before/after images when making major changes in case you decide to roll back something that would otherwise be hard to undo. I'd do this for the system drive and repeat the image copy only after updates. Then I'd put all of my own work on a separate partition (probably a software RAID1 mounted as /home on the linux box and samba-shared to windows) and periodically rsync the contents to an external USB/firewire drive. Depending on the value of this work, I might have multiple external drives that I'd rotate offsite. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ------------------------------ Message: 63 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:45:02 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W2900D8BDBB56BF8AE05E69CF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Ah I figured someone would ask that. I use pretty much all >> major adobe products, Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, just >> about the entire suite. >> >> I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one >> is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible >> to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because >> easier to manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one >> machine, I can pull the raid card and use it as a backup. > > If you are a graphic designer, I'm curious what you use the > CentOS box for (or why you use Windows and not Mac :-) Good question when I started out I had windows so that's what I bought - Adobe windows versions. I'm considering migrating to Mac though because Adobe just started a new program where one can migrate to mac versions without paying full price for a new version - they used to charge full price for upgrades if one wanted to switch from Windows to mac. Now they just cancel out the windows version if one migrates to Mac. > >> From experience I have learned that Photoshop will not install >> on software raid on my W2K machine - I tried it two years ago, >> could not get it to install, and after a few days trying to get >> it to work, called Adobe tech support and at that time the tech >> support person told me that their products don't run on software >> raid because they don't want people having multiple copies of one >> license on a second drive (unless it's for their second copy >> allowance for a laptop or second machine owned by same person, >> and only one or the other - the laptop or second desktop are >> run at the same time - my second copy is on a laptop ). > > The Photoshop support tech was just shrugging you off here > because he didn't want to support you. There exists no such > stipulation in Adobe's EULA. As long as it is running on > the machine it was licensed for and that machine's OS is > supported then you are good. Running on RAID has nothing > to do with second copies and second machine allowance as > the storage medium is not the key in licensing, the > processor(s) are. Adobe needn't even be installed on the > local HD if you can get away with a network install and > all that registry crap, but it better have a license for > the CPU it's running on. > Just spoke with Adobe sales today checking into upgrade pricing. The sales guy said that the latest versions of all Adobe products would not install on software RAID systems, BUT he did say, if I bought a hardware raid system, then I would have no problem installing it because the OS and Adobe products do not see hardware raid. It may state in their EULA that there is no restriction running either software or hardware raid, but I have to go by what the sales department tells me. It's rediculous I know. > I had run Adobe Photoshop on Windows 2000 Terminal Server > running under software RAID with no problems (besides poor > visual performance due to terminal services). That's great wish I could have gotten my apps to install a few years ago - at the time I tried doing it with the Adaptec 2120SA raid card which uses software raid drivers. It's a far cry from the 3ware true raid, yet I don't want to take the chance, set up true software raid, load my adobe products on disk and them find two or three years from now if I upgrade with a new version, that adobe has found a way to disable software raid compatability for all scenairos. Just curious, what version of photoshop were you using under your software raid setup? I tried it with Creative Suite 2 which includes photoshop. >> Also I may at some time migrate my adobe products to the >> Linux machine and run Adobe on WINE on the Linux box. Google >> just started working with the folks over @ WINE, and they want >> to make it so all adobe products run flawlessly on Linux - >> WINE, not just photoshop and illustrator. Today some adobe >> products run on wine well, some don't, in a few years they all >> will run well on a linux box using WINE. I'm not sure about >> running adobe using software raid on a linux box and WINE - >> never tried it, but going with hareware raid on the linux >> box eliminates another possible unknown. > > Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get > yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or > triple with Windows. Yes I think I will migrate over to mac instead of running adobe on wine, when I get the upgrade, makes much more sense. And set up a hardware RAID 1 on the new desktop mac. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Message: 64 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:04:48 -0500 From: "Sean Carolan" <scarolan(a)gmail.com> Subject: [CentOS] Re: Forward local5.* to remote syslog-ng server To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <277020fc0803141104t34b3ec0ewd35547576b0fbbd(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 UPDATE: The problem seems to be on the client side, because when I do this: logger -p local5.info test the file does show up properly on the syslog-ng host. Anyone have an idea why the other processes that write to local5 on the client are not logging to the remote host? > local5.* /var/log/mylogfile.log ------------------------------ Message: 65 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:07:04 -0700 From: Scott Silva <ssilva(a)sgvwater.com> Subject: [CentOS] Re: Recommendations for a ?card on Centos box To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <freess$33r$1(a)ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" on 3-14-2008 9:43 AM Therese Trudeau spake the following: >> Explain your definition of a mission critical desktop. Does the entire >> enterprise stop functioning if this desktop stops? >> I am THE tech support for my company, but my desktop could die right now, and >> although I would be heartbroken and a little peeved, I could just fire up my >> lappy and get back to work in a few minutes. I usually have 2 desktops >> running, just in case I need to put out fires while my main desktop is doing >> the windows reboot dance. > > If my linux machine stops functioning it's > not as bad as the windows box going off line, but it still takes a day > or two to get things back on line with the linux box with all the software I installed on it. > > If the windows machine stops functioning, then yes it's a pain, it's at least two days > by the time I get back up and running because much of my work is graphic design > and that's where all my adobe stuff is loaded on, and it takes a long time > to get the OS re instlled, then grabbing my data, and re installing many many > software applications etc. > > Because I am a one person company I just don't have time to spend days > getting a machine back on line, and it's happened more than once. An hour or two > however to get things runing again would not harm my work flow that much. I believe that the Adobe products will let you have it installed on another machine as long as you only use one at a time. Might be worth it to just break down and get a cheaper system as a backup, with everything installed, and if your main machine goes down, just power up the backup machine. It might be a little slower, but you can still function and get work done as you fix/replace the main machine. $1000 US for a capable machine will seem like a sting at first, but you can justify it the first time you need it. And an occasional boot to keep OS and virus scanners current will give you a chance to make sure it is functioning. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't!!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think VMware sells a version of workstation for OS X > now too. Yes, and I think it will run VM's created under VMware server on linux or windows, although you may not be able to move them the other direction with some of the options you can use on the mac or windows workstation versions. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 67 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:14:54 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB0011(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Therese Trudeau wrote: > >> Ah I figured someone would ask that. I use pretty much all > >> major adobe products, Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, just > >> about the entire suite. > >> > >> I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one > >> is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible > >> to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because > >> easier to manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one > >> machine, I can pull the raid card and use it as a backup. > > > > If you are a graphic designer, I'm curious what you use the > > CentOS box for (or why you use Windows and not Mac :-) > > Good question when I started out I had windows so that's > what I bought - Adobe windows versions. I'm considering > migrating to Mac though because Adobe just started a > new program where one can migrate to mac versions without paying > full price for a new version - they used to charge full price > for upgrades if one wanted to switch from Windows to mac. Now > they just cancel out the windows version if one migrates to Mac. I noticed you forgot to answer my question, but good to know Adobe has a trade-up program now ;-) > > > >> From experience I have learned that Photoshop will not install > >> on software raid on my W2K machine - I tried it two years ago, > >> could not get it to install, and after a few days trying to get > >> it to work, called Adobe tech support and at that time the tech > >> support person told me that their products don't run on software > >> raid because they don't want people having multiple copies of one > >> license on a second drive (unless it's for their second copy > >> allowance for a laptop or second machine owned by same person, > >> and only one or the other - the laptop or second desktop are > >> run at the same time - my second copy is on a laptop ). > > > > The Photoshop support tech was just shrugging you off here > > because he didn't want to support you. There exists no such > > stipulation in Adobe's EULA. As long as it is running on > > the machine it was licensed for and that machine's OS is > > supported then you are good. Running on RAID has nothing > > to do with second copies and second machine allowance as > > the storage medium is not the key in licensing, the > > processor(s) are. Adobe needn't even be installed on the > > local HD if you can get away with a network install and > > all that registry crap, but it better have a license for > > the CPU it's running on. > > Just spoke with Adobe sales today checking into upgrade pricing. > The sales guy said that the latest versions of all Adobe > products would not install on software RAID systems, BUT he did > say, if I bought a hardware raid system, then I would have no > problem installing it because the OS and Adobe products do not > see hardware raid. It may state in their EULA that there is no > restriction running either software or hardware raid, but I have to > go by what the sales department tells me. It's rediculous I know. I actually googled a knowledge base article where the problem turns out to be with the serial number generation on Adobe products where it gets "confused" as to which drive is your primary drive with certain third party software RAID systems. There is some cludgy work-around for it from support, but they recommend avoiding these systems. > > I had run Adobe Photoshop on Windows 2000 Terminal Server > > running under software RAID with no problems (besides poor > > visual performance due to terminal services). > > That's great wish I could have gotten my apps to install a > few years ago - at the time I tried doing it with the Adaptec > 2120SA raid card which uses software raid drivers. It's a > far cry from the 3ware true raid, yet I don't want to take > the chance, set up true software raid, load my adobe products > on disk and them find two or three years from now if I upgrade > with a new version, that adobe has found a way to disable > software raid compatability for all scenairos. > > Just curious, what version of photoshop were you using under your > software raid setup? I tried it with Creative Suite 2 which > includes photoshop. At the time, say around 2002-3, I want to say Photoshop CS, yes, but just Photoshop not the whole suite. The RAID was on Windows Server 2000, so it was just the builtin Windows Server software RAID. Maybe there wasn't a problem with that RAID implementation as it was part of the OS. > >> Also I may at some time migrate my adobe products to the > >> Linux machine and run Adobe on WINE on the Linux box. Google > >> just started working with the folks over @ WINE, and they want > >> to make it so all adobe products run flawlessly on Linux - > >> WINE, not just photoshop and illustrator. Today some adobe > >> products run on wine well, some don't, in a few years they all > >> will run well on a linux box using WINE. I'm not sure about > >> running adobe using software raid on a linux box and WINE - > >> never tried it, but going with hareware raid on the linux > >> box eliminates another possible unknown. > > > > Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get > > yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or > > triple with Windows. > > Yes I think I will migrate over to mac instead of running > adobe on wine, when I get the upgrade, makes much more sense. > And set up a hardware RAID 1 on the new desktop mac. Definitely better. Otherwise if you did want to use wine, go out and buy Crossover Office as it will make it much much less painful, but I don't know if they support the latest CS2 versions, I think they still support just the CS versions. Or there's Xen, but there is no good way to reliably display such high graphic imagery from a Xen host. SDL, VNC or RDP are just not high-performance enough. -Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ------------------------------ Message: 68 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:25:11 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W41596BBEFF56FFEB800CAACF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get >>>> yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or >>>> triple with Windows. >>> Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and >>> let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external firewire or >>> network drive. >> >> Yes, even better. I think VMware sells a version of workstation for OS X >> now too. > > Yes, and I think it will run VM's created under VMware server on linux > or windows, although you may not be able to move them the other > direction with some of the options you can use on the mac or windows > workstation versions. I just called VMWare and the guy said that for what I wanted to do, a bare metal restore solution, that I would be better served by going with either hardware or software raid maybe combined with something like a tape backup solution, and that their desktop / workstation applications are not suited as a complete backup - bare metal restore solution. He said their system was mainly for taking system snapshots for development purposes. _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Message: 69 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:37:53 -0400 From: Therese Trudeau <mswotr(a)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <BAY114-W759CFBC547F114AC514F1CF0A0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> If you are a graphic designer, I'm curious what you use the >>> CentOS box for (or why you use Windows and not Mac :-) >> >> Good question when I started out I had windows so that's >> what I bought - Adobe windows versions. I'm considering >> migrating to Mac though because Adobe just started a >> new program where one can migrate to mac versions without paying >> full price for a new version - they used to charge full price >> for upgrades if one wanted to switch from Windows to mac. Now >> they just cancel out the windows version if one migrates to Mac. > > I noticed you forgot to answer my question, but good to know > Adobe has a trade-up program now ;-) OH yes did not read it all the way. To answer your question, I also use a Linux server for hosting sites I design for, it was just upgraded to Centos from an old version of RH, and for several reasons I set up the centos box @ home. I wanted to get up to speed quicker on Centos 5 and thought this would help. Plus I feel that it is more secure to use my linux machine at home to both surf the net and upload files to server, more secure for email, etc. I plan on using the Windows machine only for graphic design and not browse with it, & use the linux box for surfing. And experiment with some of the Linux graphic design applications to see if they measure up to adobe - maybe some day I could dump adobe all together. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Message: 70 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:43:10 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB0012(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Therese Trudeau wrote: > >>>> Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get > >>>> yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or > >>>> triple with Windows. > >>> Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and > >>> let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external firewire or > >>> network drive. > >> > >> Yes, even better. I think VMware sells a version of workstation for OS X > >> now too. > > > > Yes, and I think it will run VM's created under VMware server on linux > > or windows, although you may not be able to move them the other > > direction with some of the options you can use on the mac or windows > > workstation versions. > > I just called VMWare and the guy said that for what I wanted to do, > a bare metal restore solution, that I would be better served > by going with > either hardware or software raid maybe combined with something like > a tape backup solution, and that their desktop / workstation > applications are not suited as a complete backup - bare > metal restore solution. He said their system was mainly for taking > system snapshots for development purposes. The "bare metal" restore most companies tote is not as seamless as they lead to believe and often requires to be run on a "Server" version of Windows. I would follow Les' advice and use an imager program like clonezilla or Ghost and make a quarterly image and put it to an external HD and have a bootable USB memory stick or live CD with the software on it to restore the image if necessary. Ok for now, just get the cheap 3ware card you were planning as long as it'll be supported in the future. Get an external HD and download one of the free cloning packages live CDs. Clone your hardware mirrored setup to the external HD. Have the OS backup software perform nightly backups to the external HD. Then you have some hardware fault tolerance, and backups, as well as an image of your HD just in case and all for a lot cheaper then when you were talking complete redundancy. If your computer blows up, you can have another computer available, wait you do, your CentOS box... -Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ------------------------------ Message: 71 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:51:54 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAC94A.40000(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Therese Trudeau wrote: >>>>> Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get >>>>> yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or >>>>> triple with Windows. >>>> Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and >>>> let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external firewire or >>>> network drive. >>> Yes, even better. I think VMware sells a version of workstation for OS X >>> now too. >> Yes, and I think it will run VM's created under VMware server on linux >> or windows, although you may not be able to move them the other >> direction with some of the options you can use on the mac or windows >> workstation versions. > > I just called VMWare and the guy said that for what I wanted to do, > a bare metal restore solution, that I would be better served by going with > either hardware or software raid maybe combined with something like > a tape backup solution, and that their desktop / workstation > applications are not suited as a complete backup - bare > metal restore solution. He said their system was mainly for taking > system snapshots for development purposes. I didn't mean to always run under VMware. What you would want to do is get your main application(s) working natively for best performance, then use VMware for whatever else you might need that would otherwise need a separate machine/OS. When you switch to Linux or a Mac, you often have a few Windows programs that you may not use often but you can't duplicate (the netflix online movie viewer, for example...). Running windows under vmware means you don't have to keep a separate box around for these. Then backups of the main system will automatically include these without extra trouble too. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 72 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:08:59 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DACD4B.8090208(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed John R Pierce wrote: > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 3/10/08, nate <centos(a)linuxpowered.net> wrote: >> >> >>> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well >>> (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) >>> >> >> Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to >> help if your PS fails. >> >> > > redundant power supplies connected to redundant UPS's. I've seen more > UPS failures than I've ever had failed PSUs on proper server grade > hardware. Exactly - You can expect a UPS to need new batteries every few years, but I had one machine with a 4+year uptime (and only because I was able to move power cords, change UPS's, and swap it's mirrored hard drives on the fly). The machine is still running (RH 7.3) but it's less critical now and I was too lazy to drag along a UPS when I had to move it to a different location. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 73 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:24:13 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] ext3 errors (md device related?) To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAD0DD.1050902(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Nicolas KOWALSKI wrote: > Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> 'fsck -y' seems to fix it up, but it keeps happening. Is this likely >> to be leftover cruft from the hardware issues or are there problems >> in ext3/raid1/sata drivers? The way backuppc stores data with >> millions of hardlinks in the archive it isn't really practical to >> copy it off, reformat, and start over. > > Maybe a memory problem: > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ext3.user/3457/focus=3459 Back to this problem again. I did a new mkfs.ext3 and ran more than a week before hitting this again: Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: md3: rw=0, want=14439505280, limit=1465143808 Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md3): ext3_readdir: directory #34079247 contains a hole at offset 0 Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: Aborting journal on device md3. Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: md3: rw=0, want=5260961472, limit=1465143808 Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md3): ext3_readdir: directory #34079247 contains a hole at offset 4096 I don't see any hardware related errors, and the rest of the filesystems all seem fine, although this is the one that is busy. Can this be related to being on a 3-member RAID1 that normally runs with one device misssing? I've run a different one that way for a couple of years on earlier kernels. Will it hurt anything to mount the underlying partition of one of the drives directly for a while instead of using the md device? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 74 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:23:44 +0100 From: Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> Subject: [CentOS] Thunderbird: can't seem to install french spell checker To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAD0C0.9050702(a)kikinovak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, I can't install a french spell checker in Thunderbird. There's a link in Thunderbird's preferences, to download new dictionaries, but it's dumb. So I downloaded the dictionary manually (spell-FR.xpi) and installed it in Thunderbird using the 'Extensions' dialog. But the installed dictionary doesn't appear anywhere. Googled some over this problem, and it seems like this happens to quite some people. Anyone on this list successfully installed a non-english spell checker in Thunderbird? Cheers, Niki ------------------------------ Message: 75 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:43:34 -0400 From: "Christopher E" <sensory.access(a)gmail.com> Subject: [CentOS] MSG for Barry To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <184c54640803141243p2c04546aq7827c7ef94c10192(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Barry, could you email me please, I try to email you and it was returned. Sincerely, Christopher ------------------------------ Message: 76 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:05:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "James B. Byrne" <byrnejb(a)harte-lyne.ca> Subject: [CentOS] Re: Gnome desktop, workspaces and windows To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <33335.216.185.71.22.1205525148.squirrel(a)webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 On Wed, March 12, 2008 12:59, James B. Byrne wrote: > I was editing a file in gvim when I inadvertently pressed some key combination > that caused the vim window to disappear from the desktop. ... > > Questions: > > What key combination places the window with focus into another workspace? > A. <shift><ctrl><alt><left>|<right>|<up>|<down> > What key combination or other method moves it back into the primary workspace? > A. Same as above. > Why did hiding all windows empty the alternate workspace? > A. It did not. The windows therein were all minimized and had to be restored from the bottom menu bar of the applicable workspace. > How do I get my vim instance back from wherever it is gone? A. Same as above. Alternatively, you can click and drag with your mouse any window between workspaces. Live and learn; with pain, suffering, and general discomfort, but learn nonetheless. -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ------------------------------ Message: 77 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:31:32 -0400 From: "Ross S. W. Walker" <rwalker(a)medallion.com> Subject: RE: [CentOS] ext3 errors (md device related?) To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <E2BB8074E5500C42984D980D4BD78EF901FB0014(a)MFG-NYC-EXCH2.mfg.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Les Mikesell wrote: > Nicolas KOWALSKI wrote: > > Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > >> 'fsck -y' seems to fix it up, but it keeps happening. Is this likely > >> to be leftover cruft from the hardware issues or are there problems > >> in ext3/raid1/sata drivers? The way backuppc stores data with > >> millions of hardlinks in the archive it isn't really practical to > >> copy it off, reformat, and start over. > > > > Maybe a memory problem: > > > > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ext3.user/3457/focus=3459 > > Back to this problem again. I did a new mkfs.ext3 and ran more than a > week before hitting this again: > > Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: md3: rw=0, want=14439505280, limit=1465143808 > Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md3): ext3_readdir: directory #34079247 contains a hole at offset 0 > Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: Aborting journal on device md3. > Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: md3: rw=0, want=5260961472, limit=1465143808 > Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md3): ext3_readdir: directory #34079247 contains a hole at offset 4096 > > I don't see any hardware related errors, and the rest of the filesystems > all seem fine, although this is the one that is busy. Is your memory ECC? If not then a memory problem can fly under the radar. > Can this be related to being on a 3-member RAID1 that normally runs with > one device misssing? I've run a different one that way for a couple of > years on earlier kernels. I haven't seen any other dm-raid problems, and dm-raid is quite mature at this point. I won't say it isn't possible. Can you try running with just 2 drives for a while after this fsck and see if it happens again? > Will it hurt anything to mount the underlying partition of one of the > drives directly for a while instead of using the md device? I don't know. Depends how dm-raid keeps it's bitmap and meta-data. If it's at the end then it should work, if it's at the beginning, then you'd have to offset the mount (carefully). You will need to be very careful when messing with the partition table to change it's type and if you recreate the RAID1 again with existing data on it (don't have a procedure for that). -Ross ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ------------------------------ Message: 78 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:27:19 -0400 From: Robert Spangler <mlists(a)zoominternet.net> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open extra ports on firewall? To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <200803141627.19326.mlists(a)zoominternet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Friday 14 March 2008 12:32, Niki Kovacs wrote: > Right now, on one of my desktops, I've installed AMSN, which requires > opening a series of ports. I've configured the app to use ports 7000 to > 7010 (TCP and UDP). When running system-config-securitylevel-tui, the > last line enables to define custom ports, not mentioned elsewhere in the > menu. So, for example, when I want to add port 6891 for tcp and udp, I > write an entry like this: Check out this site. It's a tutorial fro IPTables. http://iptables.rlworkman.net/chunkyhtml/index.html -- Regards Robert Smile... it increases your face value! Linux User #296285 http://counter.li.org ------------------------------ Message: 79 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:52:31 -0700 From: Rogelio <scubacuda(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] php 4/5 dependency question To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <2b7af7c40803141452t4426ec51k19de24e78139675e(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On 3/11/08, Fajar Priyanto <fajarpri(a)cbn.net.id> wrote: > > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 04:04:03 Jim Perrin wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Rogelio <scubacuda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Error: php-pecl-apc conflicts with php-mmcache > > > Error: Missing Dependency: php = 4.3.9 is needed by package > php-mmcache > > > Error: php-eaccelerator conflicts with php-mmcache > > > > Sanity would suggest not using a wildcard on install. Dependencies are > > turned on, your issue is a package conflict because you chose to > > install two separate methods for doing the same thing, which don't > > agree. Use a sane install command and it'll work. > > > Try yum install php-mysql I get the following error when I try to "yum update" ---> Package xorg-x11-xfs.i386 0:6.8.2-1.EL.33.0.2 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.8.8) for package: perl-DBD-MySQ L --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.8.8) is needed by package perl- DBD-MySQL (I already installed php-mysql, but got nothing....) Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20080314/fe19c0e8/atta… ------------------------------ Message: 80 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:14:17 +0100 From: Nicolas KOWALSKI <niko(a)petole.dyndns.org> Subject: Re: [CentOS] ext3 errors (md device related?) To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <873aqtc5s6.fsf(a)petole.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> writes: > Can this be related to being on a 3-member RAID1 that normally runs > with one device misssing? I've run a different one that way for a > couple of years on earlier kernels. Well, I also found this one: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.raid/6455/focus=6908 Is your machine a "cheap" one ? -- Nicolas ------------------------------ Message: 81 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:37:58 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] ext3 errors (md device related?) To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DAFE46.2080301(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Nicolas KOWALSKI wrote: > > >> Can this be related to being on a 3-member RAID1 that normally runs >> with one device misssing? I've run a different one that way for a >> couple of years on earlier kernels. > > Well, I also found this one: > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.raid/6455/focus=6908 > > Is your machine a "cheap" one ? The motherboard is a few years old but decent originally. The SATA drives and controller are recent and if it is their fault I'd expect driver-level errors, not just filesystem issues. Hmmm, the disks are in a removable-tray carrier that is also somewhat old and I can shift them to a newer trayless cage to see if that makes a difference but when problems only happen once a week it is hard to tell when/if they are fixed. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 82 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:46:01 +0000 From: "Amos Shapira" <amos.shapira(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Good version control package? To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <9c2cca270803141546u1a172662s9bc6c10de524cd8b(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Sean Carolan <scarolan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I dont really think you can get much easier than CVS if you need > > centralized management over a network. If it never gets off the > > machine then there is RCS. If those aren't simple enough... I don't > > think any of the others are going to help. > > Thanks for the pointers, it looks like we will go with CVS. > I'd recommend you re-consider SVN. It's as simple as CVS (in terms of command line ease of use) but also adds important things: 1. Atomic commits (when checking in multiple file changes, either all of them or none of them will go in). 2. Directory operations (moving files and directories around is as simple as "svn mv source destination") 3. Branches are a breeze (e,g, "svn mkdir branches/project-a; svn cp trunk/file branches/project-a") I don't see any reason for anyone to get themselves into the trap that's called CVS at this time and age. (BTW - if you started with CVS then you should be able to move over to SVN, there are programs to convert the repository). Cheers, --Amos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20080314/47912e0f/atta… ------------------------------ Message: 83 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:03:47 -0700 From: MHR <mhullrich(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] evince on centos5.1 To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <f4e013870803141603h2decbf0em1b3dae79d9d24de(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Mogens Kjaer <mk(a)crc.dk> wrote: > William L. Maltby wrote: > ... > > I use Adobe's acroread. Works very well. But don't get the 8.* series - > > it's broken in printer interface and is a little bloated do to a not yet > > really useful voice reader capability. > > Broken? How? > > I've printed many pages from acroread 8.x > I found that with AR 8.*, when I click on the print button, all I get is a window with all the right gray areas and no text, options, etc. It hangs up completely and never comes back. I went back to 7.9 and it all works perfectly. I've seen from other comments that I am not alone here, but I have no idea what's going on, other than it doesn't work. I use CUPS and have a Minolta PagePro 1100 laser printer that works great with the foomatic lj4 driver in everything else. YMMV. mhr ------------------------------ Message: 84 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:35:18 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] ext3 errors (md device related?) To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DB0BB6.8010307(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ross S. W. Walker wrote: >> Back to this problem again. I did a new mkfs.ext3 and ran more than a >> week before hitting this again: >> >> Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: md3: rw=0, want=14439505280, limit=1465143808 >> Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md3): ext3_readdir: directory #34079247 contains a hole at offset 0 >> Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: Aborting journal on device md3. >> Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: md3: rw=0, want=5260961472, limit=1465143808 >> Mar 14 04:12:29 linbackup1 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md3): ext3_readdir: directory #34079247 contains a hole at offset 4096 >> >> I don't see any hardware related errors, and the rest of the filesystems >> all seem fine, although this is the one that is busy. > > Is your memory ECC? If not then a memory problem can fly under the radar. dmidecode says single-bit ECC > >> Can this be related to being on a 3-member RAID1 that normally runs with >> one device misssing? I've run a different one that way for a couple of >> years on earlier kernels. > > I haven't seen any other dm-raid problems, and dm-raid is quite mature > at this point. I won't say it isn't possible. Can you try running with > just 2 drives for a while after this fsck and see if it happens again? I normally run with only 2. I add the 3rd once a week long enough to sync, then unmount the partition long enough to fail and remove the 3rd, then rotate it offsite. The times it has had problems, there have only been 2 active partitions. >> Will it hurt anything to mount the underlying partition of one of the >> drives directly for a while instead of using the md device? > > I don't know. Depends how dm-raid keeps it's bitmap and meta-data. If > it's at the end then it should work, if it's at the beginning, then > you'd have to offset the mount (carefully). > > You will need to be very careful when messing with the partition table > to change it's type and if you recreate the RAID1 again with existing > data on it (don't have a procedure for that). I can mount the underlying partition without changing its type and it appears to work. I do that regularly to test the offsite copy but have always later wiped it with a new sync from the live set so I don't know if there is any harm done to using it as an md device after that. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 85 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:31:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott R. Ehrlich" <scott(a)MIT.EDU> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Overland Arcvault 12 and sequential/random settings To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64L.0803142027310.8246(a)biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Max Hodgson wrote: > I use Dell 124T tape loaders with Centos. The controlling device on mine is > separate to the data device. Turned out to be at least the need for a new scsi card, which I obtained. I also used a new machine. But your experience below did lead me to review dmesg more carefully, which led to the proper device that happened to not be /dev/st0. mtx did respond positively. It is possible the first "problem" machine could work with the new card, but I have other things to battle :-) Thanks again. Scott > > e.g. > > I use: > > $> mtx -f /dev/sg1 status > > But for writing to tape: > > $> tar cvf /dev/st0 /etc > > I think the dmesg told me which device to use to control. > > mjh > > > On 13/03/2008, Scott R. Ehrlich <scott(a)mit.edu> wrote: >> >> My unit's firmware: library 05.03, tape d22h, shows the device as set to >> random mode. But mtx -f /dev/st0 status gives an error that google says >> the device is in sequential mode. dmesg|grep -i hp does reflect CentOS >> thinks the device is a sequential unit. >> >> I've tried this with Fedora 8, too, and both show the same, so it is >> either an issue with CentOS/Fedora RPMs, or the version of MTX? >> >> I'm going to try a simple install of Ubuntu next and see if there is any >> difference. >> >> Is this a bug with the firmware, or with my setup? >> >> I have rebooted the tape drive and machine several times. >> >> I have the drive connected to an Adaptec 29160. >> >> I have another identical drive on another system, with a library firmware >> of d21h, tape firmware 04.04, and that works perfectly with mtx, though it >> is connected to a different SCSI card. >> >> Thanks for any help/insights. >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS(a)centos.org >> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> > ------------------------------ Message: 86 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:39:57 +0100 From: mouss <mouss(a)netoyen.net> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Migrate Outlook Express mail to Thunderbird? To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DB1ADD.90405(a)netoyen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jeff Larsen wrote: > > > Taking a different approach than others... > > Load them back into Outlook Express on a Windows box. Open a gmail > account and enable it for IMAP access. Configure Outlook Express for > gmail/IMAP and copy the messages to gmail folders. Configure T-Bird on > CentOS for gmail/IMAP and copy from gmail to Local Folders. Hopefully > you don't have several Gigs of messages. If you already have an IMAP > enabled mail account somewhere else, you could use that too. > > no need for gmail if he has a machine that can run an imap server (dovecot, courier, ...), as this would be faster. and yes, if the mailbox is large, that'll take a loooooong time. I don't know which outlook* variants can copy multiple folders at once. Last time I had to do this, I needed to copy folders one at a time and when I reached the last folder, I left the machine for one day... (that was with some outlook 200?). ------------------------------ Message: 87 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:27:55 -0700 From: Bill Campbell <centos(a)celestial.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Migrate Outlook Express mail to Thunderbird? To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <20080315012755.GA23653(a)ayn.mi.celestial.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Mar 15, 2008, mouss wrote: >Jeff Larsen wrote: >> >> >>Taking a different approach than others... >> >>Load them back into Outlook Express on a Windows box. Open a gmail >>account and enable it for IMAP access. Configure Outlook Express for >>gmail/IMAP and copy the messages to gmail folders. Configure T-Bird on >>CentOS for gmail/IMAP and copy from gmail to Local Folders. Hopefully >>you don't have several Gigs of messages. If you already have an IMAP >>enabled mail account somewhere else, you could use that too. > >no need for gmail if he has a machine that can run an imap server >(dovecot, courier, ...), as this would be faster. > >and yes, if the mailbox is large, that'll take a loooooong time. I don't >know which outlook* variants can copy multiple folders at once. Last >time I had to do this, I needed to copy folders one at a time and when I >reached the last folder, I left the machine for one day... (that was >with some outlook 200?). My normal method of getting mail from an Exchange or other IMAP server to a local Maildir store is with a python script that logs into the remote IMAP server, queries for all the folders, then copies all the messages to the local Maildir (which is usually served by courier-map). We *STRONGLY* recommend that people leave their mail on the IMAP server, not on their desktop machines as (a) it's on a reliable server, not the Microsoft Virus Windows, (b) it's easy to move to a new desktop machine with minimal hassle, and (c) it's available via webmail or remote secure IMAP when away from the desk. Over the years I've written scripts to convert from a variety of mail stores to Maildir including standard Unix mail files, U.W. IMAP binary mbx format, kmail, etc. As I remember the original posting was talking about mail stored in Microsoft's proprietary binary format, I think the same one used by Access and Exchange servers. I have never tackled recovering data from these formats, and Friends don't let Friends do Windows. Bill -- INTERNET: bill(a)celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 It is surprising how much new stuff users find that developers never do. You put a copy in front of a normal user and they find all these bugs that you would think developers would find. The real users and developers are completely different species as far as I am concerned. --Linux creator Linus Torvalds ------------------------------ Message: 88 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:33:35 -0500 From: "Sean Carolan" <scarolan(a)gmail.com> Subject: [CentOS] Re: Forward local5.* to remote syslog-ng server To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <277020fc0803141833h7627b072rff8ce236191d128b(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have also found that there are a small handful of hosts that seem to spit out a line or two of log output once in a while on the server, but have not yet identified a pattern. ------------------------------ Message: 89 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott R. Ehrlich" <scott(a)MIT.EDU> Subject: [CentOS] Incremental backups? To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64L.0803142201190.13300(a)biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed So I thought I'd get a head start for next week - I have a low-power Linux box that has a few samba shares mounted, and limited hard disk space. This box is connected to a tape library via SCSI card. I want to find the best way to create a full, then incremental backup of the samba mounts, directly to tape. Some of the samba mounts are appliances that cannot run any special client/agent. I'm looking at tar as an option, with its --incremental switch. Bacula uses a mysql database. I tried setting it up and it was not so easy, so I opted to use my time for other tasks. Same for Amanda. I would use dump, but samba connections are not device files. How about rsync? The tape library is LTO3 with hardware compression available. Google searching just now doesn't make rsync directly to tape too hopeful. What are the simplest options for incrementals based on date/time modified? Thanks. Scott ------------------------------ Message: 90 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:34:40 +0700 From: Fajar Priyanto <fajarpri(a)cbn.net.id> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Incremental backups? To: centos(a)centos.org Message-ID: <200803150934.40689.fajarpri(a)cbn.net.id> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Saturday 15 March 2008 09:09:31 Scott R. Ehrlich wrote: > I would use dump, but samba connections are not device files. > > How about rsync? The tape library is LTO3 with hardware compression > available. Google searching just now doesn't make rsync directly to tape > too hopeful. > > What are the simplest options for incrementals based on date/time > modified? I've tried rdiff-backup and it works quite ok. http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 09:34:33 up 2:24, 2.6.22-14-generic GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org The real challenge of teaching is getting your students motivated to learn. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20080315/81f93972/atta… ------------------------------ Message: 91 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:12:54 -0500 From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Incremental backups? To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DB4CC6.7080003(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Scott R. Ehrlich wrote: > So I thought I'd get a head start for next week - > > I have a low-power Linux box that has a few samba shares mounted, and > limited hard disk space. This box is connected to a tape library via > SCSI card. > > I want to find the best way to create a full, then incremental backup of > the samba mounts, directly to tape. Some of the samba mounts are > appliances that cannot run any special client/agent. > > I'm looking at tar as an option, with its --incremental switch. Bacula > uses a mysql database. I tried setting it up and it was not so easy, so > I opted to use my time for other tasks. Same for Amanda. If you spend a little time setting up amanda or backup, they'll take care of this for you with no attention for years. If you roll your own, you'll probably be fiddling with it all the time to get it right. > I would use dump, but samba connections are not device files. > > How about rsync? The tape library is LTO3 with hardware compression > available. Google searching just now doesn't make rsync directly to > tape too hopeful. You can't do rsync to tape. > What are the simplest options for incrementals based on date/time modified? The one that gets it right is: cd /path/to/save tar --listed-incremental /path/to/incfile -c -f /dev/nst0 . where incfile is arbitrary filename that you choose for each run. If the file doesn't exist, you'll get a full run and create the file. If it does exist you get an incremental and the file is re-written in place for a subsequent incremental run. If you want all incrementals based from the full so you only have to restore 2 tapes, you have to save the incfile from the full run and put it back after incremental runs modify it. If you don't do it that way, you'll miss copying old files in their new positions under a renamed directory because a strictly time based check won't pick that up. You are on your own keeping track of which tapes have to be restored in which order to match the incrementals with the parent fulls. Bacula or amanda would do that for you. If you want something easier and can live with disk based backups instead of tape, look at backuppc (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/) I still run amanda because I set it up about 10 years ago and never have to do anything but change the tapes, but I take the tapes offsite and would only restore from them after a disaster. For day-to-day stuff it is much easier to grab a copy or do a restore from the on-line web interface of backuppc. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 92 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:14:40 +0100 From: Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open extra ports on firewall? To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DB5B40.4020502(a)kikinovak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Robert Spangler a écrit : > > Check out this site. It's a tutorial fro IPTables. > > http://iptables.rlworkman.net/chunkyhtml/index.html > Funny you send me this link. I know Robbie Workman as an ex-fellow Slackware user. And I also know some basic iptables (no system-config-* in Slackware :oD). My question was more about the syntax of the integrated Firewall tool that ships with CentOS. Cheers, Niki ------------------------------ Message: 93 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:44:06 +0100 From: Mogens Kjaer <mk(a)crc.dk> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Incremental backups? To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DB7E46.4030306(a)crc.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Scott R. Ehrlich wrote: ... > I'm looking at tar as an option, with its --incremental switch. Bacula > uses a mysql database. I tried setting it up and it was not so easy, so > I opted to use my time for other tasks. Same for Amanda. I use: cd / tar cvlbf 512 /dev/nst0 \ --multi-volume --new-volume-script /usr/local/bin/mtxnext \ --ignore-failed-read \ --listed-incremental /home/root/backup/incremental_logfile \ . >$LOGDIR/root_$BACKUPDATE.log 2>&1 A full backup is done once every week, followed by daily incremental backups: This is controlled by the tape status. Every Monday we replace the tapes in the robot. So when no tape is loaded in the drive this signals that a full backup must be done. To make a full backup, I simply erase /home/root/backup/incremental_logfile before doing the above command. The mtxnext script selects the next tape on the robot and waits for the robot to finish. Mogens -- Mogens Kjaer, Carlsberg A/S, Computer Department Gamle Carlsberg Vej 10, DK-2500 Valby, Denmark Phone: +45 33 27 53 25, Fax: +45 33 27 47 08 Email: mk(a)crc.dk Homepage: http://www.crc.dk ------------------------------ Message: 94 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:46:55 +0100 From: Niki Kovacs <contact(a)kikinovak.net> Subject: [CentOS] Firefox 3 To: CentOS mailing list <centos(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <47DB7EEF.4060708(a)kikinovak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, I just read the release announcement for RHEL 5.2beta: https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv5-announce/2008-March/msg00000.html And something caught my eye: --8<----------------------------------------- * Laptop and Desktop Enhancement + Suspend and Hibernate improvements + Re-base of the top Desktop applications - Evolution 2.12.3 - Firefox 3 - OpenOffice 2.3.0 - Thunderbird 2.0 + Updated graphics drivers --8<----------------------------------------- I see that the folks from Red Hat decided to completely ignore Firefox 2.0: an eloquent detail. Now it's more than once that I've read good things about Firefox 3. Much less RAM-hungry than it's predecessors, excellent standards compliance, much more stable. What's the best way to get Firefox 3 on my CentOS 5.1? Is there some RPM for RHEL somewhere? Some SRPM? Or simply wait patiently for CentOS 5.2? Aside: I use XFCE, not GNOME, so I don't have to go through the chore of updating some core GNOME components (like Yelp). Cheers, Niki ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos End of CentOS Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15 **************************************

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Re: Skype on CentOS 5 - my microphone settings are incorrect
by Lanny Marcus 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

On 15 March 2008, Dag Wieers dag at centos.org wrote: <snip> >Thank you so much for reporting. However, it would be appreciated if >you could report improvements to the wiki on the centos-docs at >centos.org so reports like this one do not get overlooked. >I just made your proposed changes. >Thanks again, Hi Dag: You're welcome and I will try to remember to post any Wiki updates I come up with on centos-docs in the future! Lanny

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Skype on CentOS 5 - my microphone settings are incorrect
by Lanny Marcus 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

Note: The Wiki for Skype needs a tiny update. http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Skype It's not a Beta now. Last night, I downloaded and installed skype-2.0.0.63-centos.i586.rpm The Skype web site calls this a "Gold" release. I'm having the same problem I had when I tried to use the Skype Beta. It's not picking up audio from the microphone. The hardware works fine, when I'm using MS Windows XP, but I hate to use Windows and I use Linux, except when I want to use Skype or MS FrontPage. I believe the problem has to do with a configuration setting. I use the GNOME Desktop. In System > Preferences > Sound > Audio Conferencing > Sound Capture there are five (5) choices: (a) CS46xx (b) ALSA (c) OSS (d) test sound (e) silence and I get the following results when trying to test them: (a) test and dies (b) test and dies (c) testing pipeline and I can stop the test OK. I suspect OSS is the one to select (d) test sound = OK (e) silence In System > Preferences > Volume Control for Capture, I changed the Device to OSS Mixer, but that doesn't cure the problem. Selected as ALSA, I've tried it with and without the 20 dB mic. boost. BTW, when I disabled the onboard Sound Chip and installed a very inexpensive generic sound card in this Dell Dimension 2400 box, the quality of the sound improved quite a bit. Any suggestions on what configuration settings I should try, or any other ideas, will be greatly appreciated! TIA!

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Siemens Samba 75 on CentOS 5
by Ern jura 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

I tried a work around i.e. installing Win XP as guest using VirtualBox and then running the modem from win XP seamlessly but ran into another brickwall. it gives the following error when I try to enable the Samba 75 for win XP: Failed to attach the USB device Siemens AG Wireless modules to the Virtual Machine Windows XP. Failed to create a proxy device for the USB device (error VERR_READ_ERROR).

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User creation problem
by Anne Wilson 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

system-config-users is giving me a problem. I need to create a user called 'groupware', without a home directory, and belonging only to a non-privileged group. I can create the user, but it sets it to belong to the group 'users'. When I try to set its default to 'nobody' and delete the 'users' entry it tells me that I must enter a home directory. How can I get around this? Anne

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PPC
by Mike Seda 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

Hi All, The only Centos PPC distro that I could find is at: http://vault.centos.org/4.0beta/isos/ppc Is there an official (non-beta) release of Centos 4 (or better yet Centos 5)? If not, are there plans for such a release? Best Mike

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Re: CentOS] Skype on CentOS 5 - my microphone settings are incorrect
by Lanny Marcus 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

On 15 March 2008, Anne Wilson cannewilson at googlemail.com wrote: > It's not obvious from that. There is an alsa-users list at > alsa-user at lists.sourceforge.net. I had to go to them once with a problem and > found that they have detailed knowledge of a lot of sound cards. The > solution to my problem wasn't obvious either - and it was a matter of finding > the channel setting to record, so similar to yours. They were very helpful. in GNOME: System > Preferences > Volume Control > Options > Mic. Select There are two (2) options: Mic1 and Mic2 My headset has stereo headphones, but the microphone is not stereo. Is it normal, that I would see two (2) options for the microphone?

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Re: CentOS] Skype on CentOS 5 - my microphone settings are incorrect
by Lanny Marcus 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

On 15 March 2008, Anne Wilson cannewilson at googlemail.com wrote: <snip> <It's not obvious from that. There is an alsa-users list at <alsa-user at lists.sourceforge.net. I had to go to them once with a <problem and found that they have detailed knowledge of a lot of sound <cards. The solution to my problem wasn't obvious either - and it was a <matter of finding the channel setting to record, so similar to yours. <They were very helpful. Anne: Thank you for that suggestion! If I can't get this working with help from this ML, I will ask them for help! Lanny On 15 March 2008, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams ivazqueznet at gmail.com wrote: <snip> >man alsamixer, /view mode controls Good suggestion! Thanks!

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Re: CentOS] Skype on CentOS 5 - my microphone settings are incorrect
by Lanny Marcus 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

On 15 March 2008, Johnny Hughes johnny at centos.org wrote: <snip> >In the Gnome mixer, make sure that the "Microphone" and the "capture" >microphone icons are NOT MUTED (a red is is muted) .. also change >devices to the OSS Mixer and in the capture tab, check the microphone >icon for microphone is also not muted there. Johnny: I think I have that OK. In the Skype Options for the Sound Card, I unchecked allow Skype to change the Mixer settings. Also, I took off the 20 dB boost for the mic. In Sound Preferences > Devices > Audio Conferencing > Sound Capture > I have it set to OSS. Am I correct, to have that set to OSS? When I did a test, I got this error message: gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Unable to open device /dev/dsp for recording: Device or resource busy When I try to do a test call, with the Skype robot, when they would play back what I have recorded, I get 2 beeps, with only 1 or 2 seconds in between them. When I try that on MS Windows, there is about 10 seconds where I can listen to what I have recorded. Your time and your help are greatly appreciated as are the countless hours you devote to CentOS! Lanny

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Re: CentOS] Skype on CentOS 5 - my microphone settings are incorrect
by Lanny Marcus 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

On 15 March 2008 Johnny Hughes johnny at centos.org wrote: Sat Mar 15 15:25:13 UTC 2008 >In the Gnome mixer, make sure that the "Microphone" and the "capture" >microphone icons are NOT MUTED (a red is is muted) .. also change >devices to the OSS Mixer and in the capture tab, check the microphone >icon for microphone is also not muted there. Johnny: Thank you for replying! I will check those things, ASAP and report back here! Lanny On 15 March 2008, Anne Wilson cannewilson at googlemail.com wrote: <snip> >Are you sure that there are no more channels to the right? (keyboard >arrows to navigate, 'M' to toggle muting.) Anne: That helped a lot! :-) Thank you! Below is for the mic from alsamixer. Lanny ┌──────────────────[AlsaMixer v1.0.12 (Press Escape to quit)]──────────────────┐ │ Card: Sound Fusion CS46xx │ │ Chip: Cirrus Logic CS4298 rev 3,Cirrus Logic CS4298 rev 3 │ │ View: [Playback] Capture All │ │ Item: Mic │ │ │ │ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ < │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > < │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > < │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > < │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > < │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > < │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ > │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ pre 3D │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ Mic1 │▒▒│ │ │ ├──┤ ├──┤ ├──┤ ┌──┐ ├──┤ ┌──┐ │ │ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │MM│ │MM│ │ │ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ │ │ 100<>100 100<>100 100 100<>100 │ │ PCM Out Line CD < Mic >Mic Boos Mic Sele Video IEC958

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k3b doesn't burn video disk
by Anne Wilson 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

I create DVDs from camcorder output. In the past I've always just dragged the AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders into k3b and the disk has burned successfully. On this new box I tried to do the same, but k3b says that it 'Found invalid entry in the VIDEO_TS folder (AUDIO_TS). That seems to be utter nonsense, if it means that AUDIO_TS is inside the folder VIDEO_TS. If it doesn't, AUDIO_TS is empty, as it always is for these videos. It has never been a problem in the past. Does anyone know the cause? Thanks Anne

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Naissance de fr.centos.org / Birth of fr.centos.org
by Fabian Arrotin 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

(For non native french speakers : that will be my only announce here in another language than english ;-) ) Le projet CentOS est heureux de vous annoncer la naissance du site http://fr.centos.org . En réponse à la demande croissante de la communauté des utilisateurs francophones de CentOS, le forum fr.centos.org a vu le jour. Nous profitons de cette annonce pour relancer l'appel aux volontaires pour traduire le wiki existant (http://wiki.centos.org) ;-) Pour se faire, il suffit de vous inscrire dans un premier temps à la liste de diffusion centos-docs (sur http://lists.centos.org) et de vous créer un identifiant/login sur le wiki. Demandez ensuite l'autorisation d'éditer les pages en dessous de http://wiki.centos.org/fr ... Nous tenons tout particulièrement à remercer Guillaume Kulawoski qui est à la base de l'idée et la mise en place du forum , ainsi que Thierry Delmonte pour la conception graphique. A bientôt sur fr.centos.org ! -- Fabian Arrotin <fabian.arrotin(a)arrfab.net> "Internet network currently down, TCP/IP packets delivered now by UPS/Fedex ..."

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Re: [CentOS] Skype on CentOS 5 - my microphone settings are incorrect
by Lanny Marcus 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

On 15 March 2008, Niki Kovacs contact at kikinovak.net wrote: <snip> >Fire up a console and launch 'alsamixer'. Check your microphone settings >there. Niki: After using alsamixer, which did not permit me to see anything about the microphone, I switched to KDE and I used kmix. The microphone seems to be set properly, according to kmix. I hope you have more ideas! TIA, Lanny

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Open extra ports on firewall?
by Niki Kovacs 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

Hi, I'm using the preconfigured firewall that comes with CentOS 5. I configure it with system-config-securitylevel-tui, close all ports except SSH, and then open only the ones I need. Right now, on one of my desktops, I've installed AMSN, which requires opening a series of ports. I've configured the app to use ports 7000 to 7010 (TCP and UDP). When running system-config-securitylevel-tui, the last line enables to define custom ports, not mentioned elsewhere in the menu. So, for example, when I want to add port 6891 for tcp and udp, I write an entry like this: 6891:tcp 6891:udp But what's the syntax for several ports? I tried this: 7000-7010:tcp 7000-7010:udp And then, 'service iptables status' gives me this: 10 ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW tcp dpt:4662 11 ACCEPT udp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW udp dpt:4672 12 ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW tcp pts:7000:7010 13 ACCEPT udp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW udp pts:7000:7010 14 ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW tcp dpt:22 15 REJECT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-host-prohibited Does that mean that I have opened ports 7000 to 7010? Or only ports 7000 and 7010? I'm not quite sure how to read this. Cheers, Niki

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Forward local5.* to remote syslog-ng server
by Sean Carolan 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

Ok, I can't quite figure out how to make this work. I want to simultaneously log everything for facility local5 in a local file and a remote syslog-ng server. local7 is working fine getting the boot.log log entries transferred over to the syslog-ng server, but not so much with local5. Local logging of local5.* on the client is working fine now. SERVER: /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf (excerpt below) options { log_fifo_size(8192); # garden gnomes shouldn't log (Gnome has a buggy log implementation) # needs to be set on client systems, too... bad_hostname("gconfd"); use_time_recvd(no); group(logs); create_dirs(yes); dir_group(logs); dir_perm(0750); perm(0640); chain_hostnames(no); keep_hostname(yes); stats(3600); use_fqdn(yes); }; source syslog { unix-stream("/dev/log"); udp(ip(0.0.0.0) port(514)); tcp(ip(0.0.0.0) port(5149) max-connections(300)); internal(); }; destination mylogfile.log { file(/var/log/syslog-ng/$HOST/mylogfile.log); }; destination boot.log { file(/var/log/syslog-ng/$HOST/boot.log); }; filter f_local7 { facility(local7); }; filter f_local5 { facility(local5); }; log { source(syslog); filter(f_local7); destination(boot.log); }; log { source(syslog); filter(f_local5); destination(mylogfile.log); }; CLIENT /etc/syslog.conf excerpt *.* @syslogngbox local7.* /var/log/boot.log local5.* /var/log/mylogfile.log

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Migrate Outlook Express mail to Thunderbird?
by Niki Kovacs 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

Hi, A friend's laptop just quit working under Windows XP, so I 1) booted a Knoppix Live CD 2) configured the thing for my LAN 3) scp'ed recursively Documents\ and\ Settings/, 4) wiped the hard disk clean and 5) installed CentOS 5.1. No dual-boot, no prisoners, just 100% GNU/Linux :oD I managed to find the contents of the Outlook Express Mailboxes in some obscure subdirectory. It's a series of files in .dbx format. Is there any hope to convert these so I can import them into Thunderbird? Cheers, Niki

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Overland Arcvault 12 and sequential/random settings
by Scott R. Ehrlich 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

My unit's firmware: library 05.03, tape d22h, shows the device as set to random mode. But mtx -f /dev/st0 status gives an error that google says the device is in sequential mode. dmesg|grep -i hp does reflect CentOS thinks the device is a sequential unit. I've tried this with Fedora 8, too, and both show the same, so it is either an issue with CentOS/Fedora RPMs, or the version of MTX? I'm going to try a simple install of Ubuntu next and see if there is any difference. Is this a bug with the firmware, or with my setup? I have rebooted the tape drive and machine several times. I have the drive connected to an Adaptec 29160. I have another identical drive on another system, with a library firmware of d21h, tape firmware 04.04, and that works perfectly with mtx, though it is connected to a different SCSI card. Thanks for any help/insights. Scott

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evince on centos5.1
by Jerry Geis 14 Mar '08

14 Mar '08

is there something other than evince on centos 5.1 to view pdf's? Every time I am remoted in using vncviewer and look at attached emails it KILLS my X11 session. If I am at my desktop it works fine. xpdf used to work fine on 4.X - but it was removed in 5.X. Is there an alternative? Thanks, Jerry

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Good version control package?
by Sean Carolan 14 Mar '08

14 Mar '08

We have a directory full of installation and configuration scripts that are updated on a fairly regular basis. I would like to implement some sort of version control for these files. I have used SVN and CVS in the past, but I thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend a simple, easy-to-use tool that would be better than cvs or subversion for this fairly simple setup.

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php 4/5 dependency question
by Rogelio 14 Mar '08

14 Mar '08

I have a PHP box which was running NagiosQL on PHP4, and all of a sudden it stopped serving PHP pages. I went to http://boxIP/nagiosQL/testQL.php (that application's test page) and got the following error "PHP without mysql support, please install mysql module to php!" Not knowing what was broken, I attempted a "yum install php-*", but got the following message: ---> Package mhash.i386 0:0.9.2-4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for autoconf to pack into transaction set. autoconf-2.59-5.noarch.rp 100% |=========================| 17 kB 00:00 ---> Package autoconf.noarch 0:2.59-5 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for unixODBC to pack into transaction set. unixODBC-2.2.12-1.el4s1.1 100% |=========================| 26 kB 00:00 ---> Package unixODBC.i386 0:2.2.12-1.el4s1.1 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libssh2 to pack into transaction set. libssh2-0.12-1.2.el4.rf.i 100% |=========================| 2.9 kB 00:00 ---> Package libssh2.i386 0:0.12-1.2.el4.rf set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libtidy to pack into transaction set. libtidy-0.99.0-9.20051025 100% |=========================| 5.5 kB 00:00 ---> Package libtidy.i386 0:0.99.0-9.20051025.el4.centos.3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for syck to pack into transaction set. syck-0.55-4.el4.rf.i386.r 100% |=========================| 3.5 kB 00:00 ---> Package syck.i386 0:0.55-4.el4.rf set to be updated ---> Downloading header for automake to pack into transaction set. automake-1.9.2-3.noarch.r 100% |=========================| 23 kB 00:00 ---> Package automake.noarch 0:1.9.2-3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libc-client to pack into transaction set. libc-client-2002e-14.i386 100% |=========================| 5.5 kB 00:00 ---> Package libc-client.i386 0:2002e-14 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Conflict: php-pecl-apc conflicts php-eaccelerator --> Processing Dependency: libsqlite.so.0 for package: php-sqlite --> Processing Dependency: php = 4.3.9 for package: php-syck --> Processing Dependency: rrdtool = 1.0.50 for package: php-rrdtool --> Processing Dependency: php = 4.3.9 for package: php-sqlite --> Processing Dependency: php-pecl(Xdebug) for package: php-pear-PHPUnit2 --> Processing Conflict: php-pecl-apc conflicts php-mmcache --> Processing Dependency: php = 4.3.9 for package: php-mmcache --> Processing Conflict: php-eaccelerator conflicts php-mmcache --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: php-pecl-apc conflicts with php-eaccelerator Error: Missing Dependency: libsqlite.so.0 is needed by package php-sqlite Error: Missing Dependency: php = 4.3.9 is needed by package php-syck Error: Missing Dependency: rrdtool = 1.0.50 is needed by package php-rrdtool Error: Missing Dependency: php = 4.3.9 is needed by package php-sqlite Error: Missing Dependency: php-pecl(Xdebug) is needed by package php-pear-PHPUnit2 Error: php-pecl-apc conflicts with php-mmcache Error: Missing Dependency: php = 4.3.9 is needed by package php-mmcache Error: php-eaccelerator conflicts with php-mmcache While dependency issues aren't too bad (e.g. "yum provides MISSING_FILE"), what is the best way to start going through and finding these conflicts? While this is just a test box, I'd like to get a handle on how to solve this sort of thing before I have the same problem on a production server. I see that CentOS plus in on here. Might that have to do with PHP 4 dependencies not being on? Or does PHP 5 solve those dependencies?

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Gnome desktop, workspaces and windows
by James B. Byrne 14 Mar '08

14 Mar '08

I was editing a file in gvim when I inadvertently pressed some key combination that caused the vim window to disappear from the desktop. I looked in ps and found that it was still running. Checking the tool bar at the bottom of my display I noticed that a large rectangle now occupied the second of four boxes on the extreme right hand side. Clicking on that box brought back the gvim instance but hid the other windows that I had opened. I discovered that these are gnome workspaces. So I continued to work. However, at some point while reading the workspace documentation I decided to click on the "hide all windows and show the desktop" button on the left hand side of the lower tool bar. This indeed cleared the desktop but it also emptied the second workspace and I cannot retrieve my vim instance which ps still shows as running. Questions: What key combination places the window with focus into another workspace? What key combination or other method moves it back into the primary workspace? Why did hiding all windows empty the alternate workspace? How do I get my vim instance back from wherever it is gone? Regards, -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3

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