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Re: [CentOS] libtiff build error
by Robert Moskowitz 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

It would be nice if the world were flat... At 02:48 PM 6/1/2006, Jim Perrin wrote: >> ./configure >> make clean >> make > >Not going to get into how much of a bad idea this is, or how it should >really be in an rpm. But there is no rpm for libtiff v 3.8.2 for Centos. Every indication is that I need this. Well we will see what is supplied in the new Trixbox (Asterisk@home's new name). >> But the make had the following error: >> >> ./libtool: line 837: g++: command not found > >This one line has your winner. You lack the proper build tools to >complete your desired task. You're missing the gcc-c++, and probably >several other things you'll need. ?? yum groupinstall gcc-c++ >> make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/tiff-3.8.2/libtiff' > >This line would seem to imply that you're building software as root. >This is generally a very bad idea. If the code's cleanup scripts are >wrong, or if there's a typo... it's running as root and could very >easily rm -rf your system, instead or rm -rf the buildroot or tmp >files its using, not to mention other nefarious code tricks that make >this a bad idea. So I log in as user foo. I do all the makes as foo. But everything in /usr/var is owned by root... ?? >> and make install did not work: > >that's because you had prior errors. Just making sure. Obvious answer, but I have been seeing some non-obvious stuff lately. >> So what is missing? And where do I start from. > >You should really consider reading up on compiling software and/or >building custom rpms. I have looked for some reasonable howtos but so far have come up short. >> It looks like things are not 'broken' from how far it got. > >They're not broken because they haven't gotten that far yet. You're >missing the compiler required to make/break them. Again, obvious from: 1104 -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1126338 May 9 07:38 libtiff.a 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 24 11:07 libtiff.so -> libtiff.so.3.6 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 24 11:07 libtiff.so.3 -> libtiff.so.3.6 308 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 311088 May 9 07:38 libtiff.so.3.6 thanks. >-- >This message has been double ROT13 encoded for security. Anyone other >than the intended recipient attempting to decode this message will be >in violation of the DMCA Illegitimi non Carborundum

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RE: [CentOS] Assistance with startup script
by Bowie Bailey 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Will McDonald wrote: > > If you added something like... > > # chkconfig: 345 20 80 > # description: Does LDM stuff > > ... after your shabang #!/bin/sh line that should suffice. That would > start your LDM script after networking in runlevels 345 and stop it > before networking's stopped when hopping back down through the > runleves. > > I can't recall if you need a "chkconfig --add ldm" but if your > script's not visible in "chkconfig --list" then try it. The chkconfig > man page's RUNLEVEL FILES section should have all the info you need. Yes, you do need the "chkconfig --add ldm". This is what creates the links in the runlevel directories. > If you wanted to go the whole hog you could also look at integrating > your startup stuff into /var/lock/subsys etc. Just have a look through > an existing init script. If you want init to shutdown the service for you, you need a lock file in /var/lock/subsys with the same name as your main script. Just have the start routine touch it and the stop routine remove it. -- Bowie

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Assistance with startup script
by Sam Drinkard 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Could someone give me some assistance in getting this startup script to conform to chkconfig and such where the service will start up after networking comes up, and then shut down when networking goes away? Where all do entries need to be made, and what would they consist of? Many thanks..... Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ #! /bin/sh export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin LDMHOME=/usr/local/ldm LDMBIN=$LDMHOME/bin LDMADMIN=$LDMBIN/ldmadmin PQCHECK=$LDMBIN/pqcheck PQCAT=$LDMBIN/pqcat PQ=$LDMHOME/data/ldm.pq LOG="logger -p local0.err $0:" case "$1" in start) $LOG 'Starting LDM system...' if [ -x $LDMADMIN ] ; then if su - ldm -c "$LDMADMIN isrunning"; then $LOG "LDM system is already running." else if [ ! -f $PQ ] ; then $LOG "Product-queue doesn't exist. Creating..." if ! su - ldm -c "$LDMADMIN mkqueue"; then $LOG "Aborting..." exit 1 fi else # # Test the product-queue for corruption. # if ! $PQCHECK -l /dev/null -q $PQ; then case $? in 1) $LOG "System error checking product-queue. Aborting..." exit 1 ;; 2) $LOG "Adding writer-counter to product-queue..." if ! $PQCHECK -F -q $PQ; then $LOG "Aborting..." exit 1 fi ;; 3) $LOG "Product-queue was incorrectly closed. " \ "Checking..." if $PQCAT -s -l /dev/null; then $LOG "Product-queue appears OK. " $LOG "Clearing writer-counter..." if ! $PQCHECK -F -q $PQ; then $LOG "Couldn't clear counter. Aborting..." exit 1 fi else $LOG "Product-queue appears corrupt. Deleting." rm $PQ if ! su - ldm -c "$LDMADMIN mkqueue -f"; then $LOG "Couldn't make new product-queue. Aborting..." exit 1 fi fi ;; 4) $LOG "Product-queue is corrupt. Deleting." rm $PQ if ! su - ldm -c "$LDMADMIN mkqueue -f"; then $LOG "Couldn't make new product-queue. Aborting..." exit 1 fi ;; esac fi fi su - ldm -c "$LDMADMIN clean" su - ldm -c "$LDMADMIN start" fi fi ;; stop) $LOG 'Stopping the LDM system.' if [ -x $LDMADMIN ] ; then su - ldm -c "$LDMADMIN stop" fi ;; esac -- Sam W.Drinkard -- sam(a)wa4phy.net WEB http://wa4phy.net Augusta Mesonet cell 706.825.8513 Home 706.868.7253 MAIL 4438 Branchwood Drive, Martinez Georgia, 30907-1304

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libtiff build error
by Robert Moskowitz 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

OK. Trying to build libtiff here. Info from http://www.asteriskguru.com/tutorials/spandsp.html Libtiff from tar: ftp://ftp.remotesensing.org/pub/libtiff 3.8.2 put tiff-3.8.2.tar.gz in /root then tar -zxvf tiff-3.8.2.tar.gz followed by: /configure make clean make But the make had the following error: ./libtool: line 837: g++: command not found make[2]: *** [tif_stream.lo] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/tiff-3.8.2/libtiff' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/tiff-3.8.2/libtiff' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 and make install did not work: Making install in port make[1]: Entering directory `/root/tiff-3.8.2/port' make[2]: Entering directory `/root/tiff-3.8.2/port' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/tiff-3.8.2/port' make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/tiff-3.8.2/port' Making install in libtiff make[1]: Entering directory `/root/tiff-3.8.2/libtiff' source='tif_stream.cxx' object='tif_stream.lo' libtool=yes \ DEPDIR=.deps depmode=none /bin/sh ../config/depcomp \ /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I. -c -o tif_stream.lo tif_stream.cxx libtool: compile: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I. -c tif_stream.cxx -o .libs/tif_stream.o ./libtool: line 837: g++: command not found make[1]: *** [tif_stream.lo] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/tiff-3.8.2/libtiff' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 So what is missing? And where do I start from. It looks like things are not 'broken' from how far it got.

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latest kernel-devel,kernel-smp-devel install vs. update
by Tony Schreiner 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

WIth the latest kernel 2.6.9-34.0.1 the kernel-devel is an install, but kernel-smp-devel is an update for example $ sudo yum update kernel\* --disablerepo=dell-software -- disablerepo=jpackage-generic Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories Reading repository metadata in from local files Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package kernel-smp-devel.i686 0:2.6.9-34.0.1.EL set to be updated ---> Package kernel-devel.i686 0:2.6.9-34.0.1.EL set to be installed ---> Package kernel.i686 0:2.6.9-34.0.1.EL set to be installed ---> Package kernel-smp.i686 0:2.6.9-34.0.1.EL set to be installed --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved ======================================================================== ===== Package Arch Version Repository Size ======================================================================== ===== Installing: kernel i686 2.6.9-34.0.1.EL update 10 M kernel-devel i686 2.6.9-34.0.1.EL update 3.7 M kernel-smp i686 2.6.9-34.0.1.EL update 9.9 M Updating: kernel-smp-devel i686 2.6.9-34.0.1.EL update 3.7 M Transaction Summary ======================================================================== ===== Install 3 Package(s) Update 1 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 28 M Is this ok [y/N]: n I would like for both devel packages to be installed rather than updated. Looking back in the archives, this happened before. It was suggested to use installonlypackages=kernel-smp-devel I have put this line in my CentOS-Base.repo file, in the updates section, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. Is that the right place? Thanks, Tony Schreiner Boston College

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RE: [CentOS] Assistance with startup script
by Alex Palenschat 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

> Could someone give me some assistance in getting this startup > script to > conform to chkconfig and such where the service will start up after > networking comes up, and then shut down when networking goes away? > Where all do entries need to be made, and what would they consist of? > > Many thanks..... > > Sam > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > man chkconfig Seriously, it has most of the info you need. If I recall a similar circumstance all I needed to do was to drop the script in /etc/init.d/ and do a chkconfig --add <name of script> and then it was ready to rock. alex

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CentOS 4.3 Server spontaneously rebooting (over and over again)
by Rob van Eerd 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Hi there, This post has also been posted in the Hardware and General forums but I thought it might be wise to post it here as well! My CentOS 4.3 (upgraded from CentOS 4.2 installed from Linux Magazine's April 2006 issue) server is rebooting spontaneously (over and over again). It started while I was copying from USB-device (iPod) to another USB-device (Freecom Portable-Hard-disk) but it happens now even when both devices aren't plugged in. I noticed it reboots most of the time during the boot process around the messages: "Starting udev:" and "Initializing hardware". I tried rebooting into single user mode without any luck and even starting with the Installation DVD (from Linux Magazine's April 2006 issue) gives me the same results. In doing so I noticed that it took a might long time to load my SCSI drivers and after removing both SCSI adapters (just connected for oldish CD- and tape-drives) it got a little better for just a few hours. Now my system is back to his anoying reboot habbit during the boot-process I've juggled around with the memory because sometimes the reboot occurred during initialization of the RAM disks. I was also starting to think that it may have to do something with networking activity because when it (only now and then) comes up properly, I can login (straight from the console) but as soon as I try to send something across the network (for instance my /var/log/message* files) the server reboots again. However removing the NIC (including the configuration) didn't solve my problem I've attached my lateste message file for reference. I've managed to get that off the system using a simple USB-stick. When trying to get it off using SCP or something alike, my server rebooted. Can anyone point me into the right direction to tame this beast? Thanks for any help! Regards, Rob van Eerd Rosmalen, Netherlands

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CentOS 3.5 system hanging
by Mark Belanger 31 May '06

31 May '06

Our very large and very complex application is running on CentOS 3.5 and Solaris. The CentOS machines are hanging about once per day. By "hanging" I mean the system is completely unresponsive either from the console or remotely via ssh. Totally locked. Does anyone have any tips for troubleshooting this sort of problem? -Mark -- Mark Belanger LTX Corporation

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OT - yum missing from a RHEL4 server???
by kevin＠kevinkempterllc.com 31 May '06

31 May '06

Hi List; Sorry for the OT post. However I suspect if anyone outside of RH can help with this question it would be this list. I'm starting a new contract with a shop that knows little about Linux and I'm helping pave the way. I've "inherited" an existing Linux install (RHEL4). I want to setup some tools but I find that yum is not installed. Is this normal for a RH box ? I thought that the RH up2date tool used yum under the covers. Anyhow, is there an easy way to get yum installed on this box ? I do have VNC access - and I can run KDE in the VNC connection even though according to the add/remove software tool KDE is not installed by changing the xstartup file forthat user under ~/.vnc (wierd!!) I suspect the answer is to find & download a yum rpm for redhat and install it via rpm but I want to be sure I dont do something stupid on a client system. Thanks in advance...

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Login screen changes
by Steve Campbell 31 May '06

31 May '06

I tested moving a box from Tao 1.0 to CentOS 3.7. All went well, as far as I can tell, with the OS upgrades, but I needed to rpm -ivh --force the desktop-* stuff. This was a minor thing to fix for no real purpose other than to just be doing it. I still get, though, the Tao screens when the graphic login screen appears. I have changed the Application->Settings->Login Screen-> Graphical to Blue Curve. Is there a set of artwork rpms I need or something? I cant't remember, but I think there is something on the original grub splash, also, after rebooting. Not a big deal, but would just like to see if I can tidy this up a bit. Thanks Steve Campbell campbell(a)cnpapers.com Charleston Newspapers

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CentOS4.3 - x86_64 - lockups
by Tom Brown 31 May '06

31 May '06

Hi I have a box that is a Linux LVS project based load balancer running on an 1850 and x86_64 bit version of CentOS. In the past i have never had issues with LVS but then again i have never tried it with x86_64 linux. This box will after a variable about of time, 1 day upto a week or so, stop accepting ssh connections, although http connections will be fine, and then after another period of time http will also stop being accepted/forwarded. It remains pingable but the only option is a power cycle. There is nothing in the logs as to why and this box was doing this when it was a 4.2 machine but it has recently been updated to 4.3 but the issue remains. There is nothing obvious in any logs and i can run x84_64 happily on other 1850's although they are not LVS's. The only thing that is showing up in the logs is this (scsi0:A:6:0): data overrun detected in Data-in phase. Tag == 0x3. (scsi0:A:6:0): Have seen Data Phase. Length = 50. NumSGs = 1. sg[0] - Addr 0x030910000 : Length 50(scsi0:A:6:0): data overrun detected repeated lots - does anyone know what that might be but also what could be the cause of this? thanks

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RE: [CentOS] Choice of FTP server
by Alex Palenschat 31 May '06

31 May '06

> -----Original Message----- > From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org > [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Barbosa > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:54 AM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Choice of FTP server > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:23:34AM -0500, Alex Palenschat wrote: > > I have taken over a number of RH/FC/CentOS servers recently. I am > > trying to upgrade all of them to CentOS 4.3 and configure > them to only > > use software that can be managed via yum/apt repositories. > One of the > > choices made by my predecessor was the pure-ftpd server > over vsftpd. I > > cannot find a repo to get this rpm from and am wondering if > anyone on > > the list has any practical experience with both and can > give me some > > insight as to whether it would be better to run vsftpd > (more likely to > > be updated after a security update via yum) versus > pure-ftpd (very few > > updates needed in it's history). > > > > pure-ftpd should be avaliable on Karan-extra repository. > See centos.karan.org > > - -- > Rodrigo Barbosa <rodrigob(a)suespammers.org> It sure is. Thanks. Have to start checking that one as well. Now if I can just find one that has the 3.x version of Shorewall... Alex Palenschat

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Problem after last update
by Dominik Składanowski 31 May '06

31 May '06

Hello list. Since morning I have an emergency. After last kernel update one of my servers didn't start. On display I see only "GRUB" :( I have 2 more servers based on CentOS too, but after the same update this servers works. All servers have 2 HDs and works as software mirror. I have started damaged machine using Knoppix and I can see partitions and data on both disks. Of course I have made a backup. Anybody has the same problem? It can be hardware problem - HD diode light all the time. Or maybe something went wrong during update? Regards -- _________________________________________________________________ D o m i n i k S k ł a d a n o w s k i

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RE: [CentOS] Problem after last update
by Bowie Bailey 31 May '06

31 May '06

Bob Marcan wrote: > Nicholas Anderson wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > i've just updated CentOS4.3 . > > After updating it i rebooted the machine (cause there was some > > kernel pkg's) and it seems that centos lost my LVM config .... > > I tried manually a vgscan and: > > (root@backupsrv) boot # vgscan > > connect() failed on local socket: Connection refused > > Locking type 2 initialisation failed. > > > > and my /dev/VG0/LogVol00 dissapeared :-( > > I'm running cluster and got the same error. > Go back to 2.6.9-34. > > Or remove lvm2-cluster ? If you are running the packages from the csgfs repository, you need to wait until the cluster packages are updated for the new kernel and then upgrade the kernel and the csgfs packages together. -- Bowie

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install firefox last version under centos
by Josep M. 31 May '06

31 May '06

Hello. I would like ask about install last firefox version 1.5.0.3 under centos, what is thee better option, as rpm pachage I didn´t found nothing. Thanks in advance JM --------------------------------- LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com

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by 韦加宁 31 May '06

31 May '06

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VPN Solution required
by Tom Brown 31 May '06

31 May '06

Hi I need a VPN solution that will work to a CentOS4 server thats behind a NAT'ing hardware firewall appliance. This has to be able to work on Windows and OSX and i have to access a server on the LAN. I have looked at OpenVPN but for some reason i'm having issues with generating certificates using their howto and i used the rpm from Dag. While i continue my fight with this is there any other options out there? thanks

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Problem installing from CD
by Jeffrey B. Layton 31 May '06

31 May '06

Good morning, I hate to bother everyone again, but I'm having some more trouble. I have a new machine with an MSI RS480M2-IL motherboard (ATI Xpress200 chipset) and a Hammer DVD Writer (shows up as a Matshita DVD-RAM SW-9585). I get the CD to start (in text mode - don't know why I can't do VGA or better), and it asks me What type of media contains the packages to be installed. I choose CDROM and then it says: The CentOS-4 x86_64 CD was not found in any of your CDROM drives. Please insert the CentOS x86_64 CD and press OK to retry. The funny thing is that this is Disk 1 of x86_64. Any ideas? I've tried a couple of different download sites and I always get the same problem. TIA! Jeff

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CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 15, Issue 8
by centos-announce-request＠centos.org 31 May '06

31 May '06

Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-announce(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CentOS 4.3 Server CD - i386 Released (Karanbir Singh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:38:04 +0100 From: Karanbir Singh <kbsingh(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CentOS 4.3 Server CD - i386 Released To: CentOS-Announce <centos-announce(a)centos.org> Cc: distro(a)distrowatch.com Message-ID: <447C3CAC.30202(a)centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The single CD server install for CentOS 4.3 / i386 has now been released and is available from all active mirrors. A torrent will be available shortly from the centos/4/isos/i386 directory shortly. md5sum for the CentOS 4.3 ServerCD / i386 is : 35cdcfcb17c28fb2be6e56689ba7a0d6 CentOS-4.3.ServerCD-i386.iso You can find a local mirror to download from here: http://isoredirect.centos.org/centos/4/isos/i386/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- We appreciate all feedback ( via http://bugs.centos.org/ ), including RFE's and bug notifications. Notes: 1. This installer will only work with i686 based cpu's ( no K6, older Via C2 / C3 support ) 2. The included packages are a subset of all packages available in the CentOS distribution, however yum has been pre-configured to use the entire repository. 3. In order to ensure that drivers and other third party apps maintain compatibility, the package set used on the Server CD is from Release time CentOS 4.3, you are strongly encouraged to run a 'yum update' immediately after installation. 4. As some of you will notice, the iso size is lower than the 650mb acceptable for a single CD. Feedback on what other packages should be aded or removed from this Single CD for the next release are very welcome. Enjoy! -- Karanbir Singh http://www.centos.org/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CentOS-announce mailing list CentOS-announce(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce End of CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 15, Issue 8 **********************************************

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Terminal Server/File Server Set up
by Administrator One 31 May '06

31 May '06

Would like to know whether there exist a clear simple walk through to set CentOS 4 up as a Terminal Server or in the alternate, as a file and print server. I'm new but have googled but come up with some rather complicated issues. I trust someone can help on this forum. Regards All, Jughead

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Re: [CentOS] Centos and Software RAID
by David Thompson 30 May '06

30 May '06

Mark Schoonover wrote: >Software RAID works fine, as long as there's no problems. ROTFL -- that's geek comedy at its finest... We found that the 'data protection' features of software raid1/raid5 worked, but typically when a drive failed, the linux kernel was unable to provide useful service until it was rebooted and/or the failed drive removed. This was in the 2.4 days; things may be different now. We have since moved to 3ware hardware raid with better success in terms of continuing to provide service through a drive failure event. Dave Thompson UW-Madison

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RE: [CentOS] Centos and Software RAID
by Mark Schoonover 30 May '06

30 May '06

David Thompson <mailto:thomas@cs.wisc.edu> tapped at Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:55 AM: > Mark Schoonover wrote: >> Software RAID works fine, as long as there's no problems. > > ROTFL -- that's geek comedy at its finest... > I wasn't trying to be funny, it just happened that way! Came to the same conclusion you did. We use 3Ware on our systems that require plenty of disk space, but don't require high performance. If we need the latter, then it's SCSI RAID. HTH Mark

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gnome 2.12 via yum?
by Dave 30 May '06

30 May '06

Hello, I was asked a question regarding centos that i do not know the answer. I don't use gnome or x on any box i deploy for production use so haven't checked in to this. CentOS4 comes with gnome 2.8 from what i was told, the question is is it possible to do an update rpmwise to gnome 2.12 via yum? If so, what repositories do i need to enable to pull this off and what if any lookouts should i be aware of? Thanks. Dave.

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Choice of FTP server
by Alex Palenschat 30 May '06

30 May '06

I have taken over a number of RH/FC/CentOS servers recently. I am trying to upgrade all of them to CentOS 4.3 and configure them to only use software that can be managed via yum/apt repositories. One of the choices made by my predecessor was the pure-ftpd server over vsftpd. I cannot find a repo to get this rpm from and am wondering if anyone on the list has any practical experience with both and can give me some insight as to whether it would be better to run vsftpd (more likely to be updated after a security update via yum) versus pure-ftpd (very few updates needed in it's history). Thanks in advance, Alex Palenschat

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Perl library
by Fong Vang 30 May '06

30 May '06

For over five years now, we use Perl during the post install of kickstart to perform customization. It appears the Perl setup is broken in CentOS 4.3 x86_64. It still works fine on CentOS 4.1 32-bit. The library Perl needs is missing: # perl -V error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director Is this a bug or is RedHat deprecating support for Perl during the installation?

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Centosplus repo for apt-get?
by Ralph Alvy 30 May '06

30 May '06

Is there a centosplus repo I can use with apt-get, or do I have to rely on yum for centosplus?

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authconfig and Segmentation fault
by israel.garcia＠cimex.com.cu 29 May '06

29 May '06

List, I configured my system to use Kerberos for authentication using authconfig, so I returned back my configuration of my system to use MD5 passwd and shadows pass using authconfig but when I uncheck "Use kerberos" a Segmentation fault comes to my screen: [root@netreporter.domain:~]# authconfig Segmentation fault I tried to check others options but I receive the Segmentation fault again! I'm using CentOS 4.3 + Updates. Regards Israel

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RE: [CentOS] Load Balancing
by Bowie Bailey 29 May '06

29 May '06

Fabian Arrotin wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 12:49 -0700, Dan Trainor wrote: > > > > > > > For the backend storage, it depends what's your budget ... :o) > > > A minimal setup is to use nfs on a central server to host/share > > > the same data across all your machines ... the problem in this > > > config is that the nfs server becomes the single point of failure > > > ... so why not using a simple heartbeat solution for 2 nfs > > > servers acting as one and uses drdb between these 2 nodes for the > > > replication ... > > > Other method is to have a dedicate san with hba in each > > > webservers but that's another budget ... :o) > > > > > > Just my two cents ... > > > > > > > > > > > HI, Fabian - > > > > I've been toying aroudn with both NFS and GFS, but NFS does leave me > > with a single point of failure. I'd rather not use something like > > drdb, however. I'm still researching GFS to see if it's a viable > > alternative for what I'm looking for. > > > > Thanks! > > -dant > > GFS can do the job, but in this case you should have a real shared > storage to permit all the servers to access the shared data in the > same time ... > If you don't want to invest a lot, you can still use iscsi but the > single point of failure still exists ... It tends to be expensive to do away with all points of failure. The best you can do on a budget is try to limit your points of failure to things that tend to have a long lifespan (i.e. almost anything other than servers and individual hard drives). For another (relatively) low-cost option, check out the AoE storage appliances from Coraid.com. Mine is still in testing, but it was very easy to configure with CentOS4 and I haven't found any problems with it so far. I currently have a 1.2TB storage area shared between three CentOS servers with GFS. -- Bowie

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Centos and 1394 firewire
by Robert Spangler 29 May '06

29 May '06

Hello, Having a problem getting Centos to see my firewire connected camcorder. Here what I have thus far; Installed the kernek fron centos-plus and checked that libraw1394.x86_64 and libraw1394_8.x86_64 are installed Kernel i'm running is 2.6.9-34.106.unsupported here are some outputs from my machine; ~ $ lspci | grep -i firewire 00:07.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 80) ~ $ lsmod | grep 1394 dv1394 28601 0 ohci1394 40665 1 dv1394 ieee1394 127961 2 dv1394,ohci1394 modprobe raw1394 does nothing at this point. I don't know where else to look to get this going. Would love to give Windows the boot for good. I'd be thankful for any and all help. -- Regards Robert Smile... it increases your face value!

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Installing 4.3 from CD
by Jeffrey B. Layton 29 May '06

29 May '06

Howdy, I hate to bother everyone with something so simple, but I've beat my head bloody on this one. I have a new machine with an MSI RS480M2-IL motherboard (ATI Xpress200 chipset) and a Hammer DVD Writer (shows up as a Matshita DVD-RAM SW-9585). Anyway, I downloaded the CentOS 4.3 iso's and burned them to CD. When I boot the new machine it says: Boot CD: DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER I've _never_ seen this error message before. I know this is a RTFM kind of question, but I don't have any idea right now. Any ideas? TIA! Jeff

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RE: [CentOS] Installing 4.3 from CD
by Mike Kercher 29 May '06

29 May '06

> -----Original Message----- > From: centos-bounces(a)centos.org > [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey B. Layton > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 6:41 PM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: [CentOS] Installing 4.3 from CD > > Howdy, > > I hate to bother everyone with something so simple, but > I've beat my head bloody on this one. I have a new machine > with an MSI RS480M2-IL motherboard (ATI Xpress200 chipset) > and a Hammer DVD Writer (shows up as a Matshita DVD-RAM SW-9585). > Anyway, I downloaded the CentOS 4.3 iso's and burned them to > CD. When I boot the new machine it says: > > Boot CD: > DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER > > > I've _never_ seen this error message before. I know this is a > RTFM kind of question, but I don't have any idea right now. Any ideas? > > TIA! > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS(a)centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > I would also make sure that your BIOS is set to boot from the CDROM. Mike

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kickstart, no dhcp reply received.
by Fong Vang 29 May '06

29 May '06

I'm trying to kicktart a CentOS 4.3 x86_64. However, anaconda is unabled to do dhcp, complaining about"no DHCP reply received". While tailing the log on the dhcp server, I clearly see a request come in and address is offered. This same machine kicks fine with CentOS 4.1 (32-bit). Since anaconda could potentially use a different NIC (this system contains 2 NICSs), I've tried plugging both interfaces into the kickstart network (I've seen interfaces swapped before) as a test. I know that the CentOS 4.3 x64 setup I have works fine because I can kick a different hardware with it. Any idea what else to check for? Could it be that the e1000 driver in CentOS 4.3 x64 is older than the CentOS 4.1 driver? Any help is appreciated.

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Re: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2006:0493 Important CentOS 4 i386 kernel - security update
by Phil Schaffner 28 May '06

28 May '06

On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 17:13 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2006:0493 > > https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2006-0493.html > > The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently > syncing to the mirrors: > > i386: > kernel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i586.rpm > kernel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i686.rpm > kernel-devel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i586.rpm > kernel-devel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i686.rpm > kernel-doc-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.noarch.rpm > kernel-hugemem-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i686.rpm > kernel-hugemem-devel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i686.rpm > kernel-smp-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i586.rpm > kernel-smp-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i686.rpm > kernel-smp-devel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i586.rpm > kernel-smp-devel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i686.rpm > > src: > kernel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.src.rpm I wonder if a change in the naming convention for centosplus kernels might be in order? Had to think a bit to understand why yum was not showing me the new errata kernel until I realized that 2.6.9-34.106.unsupported > 2.6.9-34.0.1.EL in the sorting order. I downloaded from a mirror and forced the install: [root@tabb1 RPMS]# rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i686.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] package kernel-2.6.9-34.106.unsupported (which is newer than kernel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL) is already installed [root@tabb1 RPMS]# rpm -ivh --force kernel-2.6.9-34.0.1.EL.i686.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:kernel ########################################### [100%] [root@tabb1 RPMS]# Similar problems for kernel-devel and kernel-doc RPMS. If the name for the last centosplus/unsupported version had been kernel-2.6.9-34.unsupported.106 (or similar) the new version[s] would have been offered for installation, and since (I believe) unsupported.106 > EL for rpm/yum, the new centosplus kernels would still be installable if that repo is configured. Phil

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Printing problem
by Damien Hull 28 May '06

28 May '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Is anyone having any printing problems in CentOS 4.3? Here's what I'm seeing (problem) 1. Can't import ppd file 2. After manually adding the ppd file it doesn't show up in the gui print tool 3. Haven't been able to share a printer using the gui tool I'm wondering if this is just my problem (user error on my part) or if this is a CentOS/Redhat problem. - -- You can get my public PGP key at https://keyserver.pgp.com Digital Overload http://www.digitaloverload.net Keep your data safe by doing regular backups. At Digital Overload we use a combination of DVD and hard drive backups. For off site storage we use a safe-deposit box at the bank. All backups are encrypted. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEehKh+rNhalK/8UURAogIAJkBtRyca04LgyV5Bqp70lYwuX6CPQCZAZ88 q8iIdbEP4O0fddIFnHpP8pc= =RJRw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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two gateways on one PC ?
by Niels Przybilla 28 May '06

28 May '06

Hi, i added second nic to my server I have these two uplinks: My main uplink is 195.XXX.XXX.XXX My secondary is 83.XXX.XXX.XXX When I add the secondary NIC, CentOS automatically sets default gw to 83.XXX.XXX.1 and deletes the gateway from 195.XXX.XXX.1 How can I set it that CentOs uses the gateway 195.XXX.XXX.1 as default gateway. When I set this manually with route, CentOS changes my sentings after a reboot. And I need also to accept incoming traffic on 83.XXX.XXX.1. Thanks for your help and best regards Niels

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SATA RAID - LSI Megaraid SATA 150-4
by Paul 28 May '06

28 May '06

I generally 3Ware controllers get recommended but the servers we are looking at getting use LSI Megaraid SATA 150-4 controllers. I was wonder what experiences there are under CentOS 4 with these positive & negative? Regards, Paul Berger

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4.3 single server cd
by Robert Hanson 27 May '06

27 May '06

Greetings, I am not able to find the 4.3 single server cd torrent or iso Would someone please tell me where it currently resides? :-) Thanks in advance! - rh -- Robert Hanson - Abba Communications Computer & Internet Services (509) 624-7159 - www.abbacomm.net

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RE: [CentOS] Centos and Software RAID
by Mark Schoonover 27 May '06

27 May '06

Barry L. Kline <mailto:blkline@attglobal.net> tapped at Friday, May 26, 2006 4:50 PM: > Les Mikesell wrote: >> On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 16:56, Barry L. Kline wrote: > >> >> Note that unless it has changed recently, SATA drives don't pass >> errors up to the software raid layer correctly. If a drive >> dies it doesn't get kicked out as it should. > > Good point. The systems on which I use it are either IDE-based or > SCSI-based. The SATA machines I have are all 3ware RAID controller > equipped. > > Barry This is what I go with, 3Ware and SATA drives. My company just needs the raw storage space, and not so much speed. So, I can live with SATA drives on 3Ware cards, and things just work. Mark

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RE: [CentOS] Centos and Software RAID
by Mark Schoonover 27 May '06

27 May '06

Barry L. Kline <mailto:blkline@attglobal.net> tapped at Friday, May 26, 2006 4:48 PM: > Mark Schoonover wrote: >> Barry L. Kline <mailto:blkline@attglobal.net> tapped at Friday, May >> 26, 2006 2:56 PM: >> > >> >> I'd like to know how things went with software raid when you've lost >> a drive in a mirror or RAID5. The times that's happened to me, I >> could never recover the partition - had to always restore from tape. >> After that point, it was hardware only. Software RAID works fine, as >> long as there's no problems. >> > > I have lost a drive in a mirror and had no trouble recovering it. The > steps are basically the same for a RAID 5 system as they are for the > mirror. > > What I figured out early on was that I didn't want to be discovering > how RAID recovery works while under the gun to get a failed drive > replaced. I tried that once and found it extremely stressful. > > What you might want to do (assuming that you have an old PC and a > couple > of old drives around) is build a test system that you can experiment > with. Today, you don't need the spare hardware laying around. You can download VMware Server for free, and create what you need virtually. You'll accomplish the same thing, without the added expense and space of using actual hardware. I did that and now have a good working knowledge of the > recovery > steps. ('tho I took good notes because the frequence of this occuring > has been, for me, rather low). Failed drive in another machine? > BRING > IT ON! (okay, okay... I don't want to tempt the gods and *really* > have > that failure, but I'm not as concerned about it as I once was). > > Barry I'd rather not bring it on, but there are times it's going to happen! Mark

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www.instalinux.com
by Dominik Składanowski 27 May '06

27 May '06

Hello list, Anybody saw this: http://www.instalinux.com/ ? Interesting idea. Regards -- _________________________________________________________________ D o m i n i k S k ł a d a n o w s k i

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tls not working with postfix in chroot mode on centos4.0
by ankush grover 27 May '06

27 May '06

hey friends, I am trying to make postfix run with tls in chroot mode, but I am not able to send the messages with tls on. I am using postfix 2.2.10 on centos 4.0 and I had compiled the postfix from sources with tls & cyrus-sasl support. I copied the certificates from /usr/share/ssl to /etc/postfix. Below are the errors I am getting: May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: warning: TLS library problem: 4095 :error:0906406D:PEM routines:DEF_CALLBACK:problems getting password:pem_lib.c:10 5:cyrus-sasl support. I copied the certificates from /usr/share/ssl to /etc/postfix. Below are the errors I am getting: May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: warning: TLS library problem: 4095 :error:0906406D:PEM routines:DEF_CALLBACK:problems getting password:pem_lib.c:10 5: May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: warning: TLS library problem: 4095 :error:0906A068:PEM routines:PEM_do_header:bad password read:pem_lib.c:399: May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: warning: TLS library problem: 4095 :error:140B0009:SSL routines:SSL_CTX_use_PrivateKey_file:PEM lib:ssl_rsa.c:707: May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: cannot load RSA certificate and ke y data May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: connect from test1.sun.net[192.168.1.125] May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: disconnect from test1.sun.net[192.168.1.125] May 25 13:29:37 test1 postfix/smtpd[4257]: warning: cannot get private key fr om file /etc/postfix/newreq.pem May 25 13:29:37 test1 postfix/smtpd[4257]: warning: TLS library problem: 4257 :error:0906406D:PEM routines:DEF_CALLBACK:problems getting password:pem_lib.c:10 5: May 25 13:29:37 test1 postfix/smtpd[4257]: warning: TLS library problem: 4257 :error:0906A068:PEM routines:PEM_do_header:bad password read:pem_lib.c:399: May 25 13:29:37 test1 postfix/smtpd[4257]: warning: TLS library problem: 4257 I telnet into the port 25 on localhost and tried to start tls but it says "454 TLS not available due to local problem" telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1). Escape character is '^]'. 220 test1.sun.net ESMTP Postfix EHLO test1.sun.net 250-test1.sun.net 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 51200000 250-VRFY 250-ETRN 250-STARTTLS 250 8BITMIME starttls 454 TLS not available due to local problem quit I have also attached the result of postconf command with this mail in "postfix.txt" file.Both SELinux and firewall are off on this system. Please let me know if you need any further inputs. Thanks & Regards Ankush Grover May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: warning: TLS library problem: 4095 :error:0906A068:PEM routines:PEM_do_header:bad password read:pem_lib.c:399: May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: warning: TLS library problem: 4095 :error:140B0009:SSL routines:SSL_CTX_use_PrivateKey_file:PEM lib:ssl_rsa.c:707: May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: cannot load RSA certificate and ke y data May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: connect from test1.sun.net[192.168.1.125] May 25 13:27:51 test1 postfix/smtpd[4095]: disconnect from test1.sun.net[192.168.1.125] May 25 13:29:37 test1 postfix/smtpd[4257]: warning: cannot get private key fr om file /etc/postfix/newreq.pem May 25 13:29:37 test1 postfix/smtpd[4257]: warning: TLS library problem: 4257 :error:0906406D:PEM routines:DEF_CALLBACK:problems getting password:pem_lib.c:10 5: May 25 13:29:37 test1 postfix/smtpd[4257]: warning: TLS library problem: 4257 :error:0906A068:PEM routines:PEM_do_header:bad password read:pem_lib.c:399: May 25 13:29:37 test1 postfix/smtpd[4257]: warning: TLS library problem: 4257 I telnet into the port 25 on localhost and tried to start tls but it says "454 TLS not available due to local problem" telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1). Escape character is '^]'. 220 test1.sun.net ESMTP Postfix EHLO test1.sun.net 250-test1.sun.net 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 51200000 250-VRFY 250-ETRN 250-STARTTLS 250 8BITMIME starttls 454 TLS not available due to local problem quit I have also attached the result of postconf command with this mail in "postfix.txt" file.Both SELinux and firewall are off on this system. Please let me know if you need any further inputs. Thanks & Regards Ankush Grover

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Sources for kernel x86_64
by Erick Perez 27 May '06

27 May '06

Hi, where are the kernel sources for x86_64. They are not on the DVD for 4.3 Thanks, -- ------------------------------------------- Erick Perez Linux User 376588 http://counter.li.org/ (Get counted!!!) Panama, Republic of Panama

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Centos and Software RAID
by Erick Perez 27 May '06

27 May '06

I purchased an Intel D945GNT motherboard and it comes in the BIOS with an option to create a RAID 0 or RAID 1 volumes using my existing two SATA disks. However when installing Centos 4.3 x86_64 I see the the installer recognices the two drives and does not "see" the RAID 0. Is that ok? Should I disable the RAID in the BIOS and then go for a LVM+RAID 0 setup in the installer ? Since it will be a server machine I want to gain the performance of RAID 0 without too much complications (i will use ext3 instead of ReiseFS) Thanks, -- ------------------------------------------- Erick Perez Linux User 376588 http://counter.li.org/ (Get counted!!!) Panama, Republic of Panama

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Thunderbird not automatically filter on incomming mail
by J.J.Garcia 27 May '06

27 May '06

Hi folks, I've noticed since long time ago that all the filters i have preset in thunderbird on CentOs are not automatically being applied as mail arrives. What i use to do is going to Tools->Run Filters on Folders being reading the "Local Folders -> Inbox" folder. Is there a way to preset it to automatically filter the incomming mail to the corresponding folders? I can remember some time ago it was working ok, but since a mail-store translation from a different machine to this one im having this issue for some accounts/filters only. $ rpm -q thunderbird thunderbird-1.0.8-1.4.1.centos4 TIA Jose.

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Yum usage
by Erick Perez 27 May '06

27 May '06

I copied the entire DVD of centos 4.3 to /centos43. Can i make yum install and resolve dependencies from there instead of downloading from the internet? -- ------------------------------------------- Erick Perez Linux User 376588 http://counter.li.org/ (Get counted!!!) Panama, Republic of Panama

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RE: [CentOS] Centos and Software RAID
by Mark Schoonover 26 May '06

26 May '06

Barry L. Kline <mailto:blkline@attglobal.net> tapped at Friday, May 26, 2006 2:56 PM: > Erick Perez wrote: >> I purchased an Intel D945GNT motherboard and it comes in the BIOS >> with an option to create a RAID 0 or RAID 1 volumes using my >> existing two SATA disks. However when installing Centos 4.3 x86_64 I >> see the the installer recognices the two drives and does not "see" >> the RAID 0. >> Is that ok? >> Should I disable the RAID in the BIOS and then go for a LVM+RAID 0 >> setup in the installer ? Since it will be a server machine I want to >> gain the performance of RAID 0 without too much complications (i >> will use ext3 instead of ReiseFS) > > Hi Erick. > > It's doubtful that your on-board RAID controller is going to work with > Linux. Most of the on-board controllers are really nothing more than > two SATA channels with the driver (for Windows) providing the RAID > functionality. Thus, you're really not gaining hardware RAID, in > spite > of what you are led to believe by the BIOS options. That's why Linux > is > reporting it as two drives. > > You have two choices: 1) Buy a hardware RAID controller (my choice > being the 3ware brand), or 2) use software RAID. Since that's what > you'd be getting anyways if you were using this board with Windows and > the appropriate driver, you're not losing anything. > > FWIW I've had no problems whatsoever when using software RAID. I use > it > on many of my servers. I'd like to know how things went with software raid when you've lost a drive in a mirror or RAID5. The times that's happened to me, I could never recover the partition - had to always restore from tape. After that point, it was hardware only. Software RAID works fine, as long as there's no problems. Mark

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Trying to find packages that depend on package X.
by William L. Maltby 26 May '06

26 May '06

Quick search in bout "man yum" and "man rpm" shows how to find what package X depends upon, but not what depends upon package X. Of course, we could get a deplist for everything but I'm *guessing* that take more overhead and grep too. "yum remove" tells us. Then we just have to remember to say "No, don't remove". Am I missing something... like I missed that big Google box on the archives? Anyway, if I haven't overlooked something, I was thinking that this might be a good enhancement request for yum's buglist. Do like remove but skip making us reliably answer "no". OK. Did I miss something? Is this a feature that others would find handy? Should I get it on a yum bug list? Thx, -- Bill

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RE: [CentOS] Centos and Software RAID
by Mark Schoonover 26 May '06

26 May '06

Rodrigo Barbosa <mailto:rodrigob@suespammers.org> tapped at Friday, May 26, 2006 3:15 PM: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 03:10:37PM -0700, Mark Schoonover wrote: >> Barry L. Kline <mailto:blkline@attglobal.net> tapped at Friday, May >> 26, 2006 2:56 PM: I'd like to know how things went with software >> raid when you've lost a drive in a mirror or RAID5. The times that's >> happened to me, I could never recover the partition - had to always >> restore from tape. After that point, it was hardware only. Software >> RAID works fine, as long as there's no problems. > > Never had a problem with that. Always worked fine for me. Had at > least 3 > different cases like that so far. Always recovered flawlessly. > Hmmm, maybe it was user error on my part? I lost a 2TB system system built on md, and then again with a 250GB system. It was tough getting 2TB off of tape in a quick manner! :) Ended up doing disk to disk backups, and staying away from software raid. Hardware raid really isn't that expensive these days, even for large 16 drive systems. Mark

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Which libtiff 3.8.2 do I grab?
by Robert Moskowitz 26 May '06

26 May '06

Via google: libtiff 3.8.2 http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/2839214/com/libtiff-3.8.2-2.x86… This got me to a page all about libtiff 3.8.2 for 'Fedora other' and a link http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3?stat=3&search=libtiff&srodzaj=3 for other distributions. So which do I take? ? http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/2845370/com/libtiff-3.8.2-2.i38… please, I really want to get this going!

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RE: [CentOS] Centos and Software RAID
by Mark Schoonover 26 May '06

26 May '06

Erick Perez <mailto:eaperezh@gmail.com> tapped at Friday, May 26, 2006 1:57 PM: > I purchased an Intel D945GNT motherboard and it comes in the BIOS with > an option to create a RAID 0 or RAID 1 volumes using my existing two > SATA disks. However when installing Centos 4.3 x86_64 I see the the > installer recognices the two drives and does not "see" the RAID 0. > Is that ok? > Should I disable the RAID in the BIOS and then go for a LVM+RAID 0 > setup in the installer ? > Since it will be a server machine I want to gain the performance of > RAID 0 without too much complications (i will use ext3 instead of > ReiseFS) > > Thanks, Erick, I ran into the same problem with my Dell system that had onboard SATA raid. I couldn't get it to work without seeing both SATA drives as individual drives. What I did instead was to use a 3Ware card to mirror the drives. I'm just not a big fan of SW raid, so I go hardware when I can. So far, all I have is the basic CentOS installed, this is my first time using CentOS since RH 7.3 days. HTH Mark

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