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Re: [CentOS] [OT][Practices] The Case for RBAC/MAC
by Brian T. Brunner 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> thebs413(a)earthlink.net 11/18/05 09:40AM >>> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 05:43 -0800, Brian T. Brunner wrote: >> 1: e-mail is a people skill, you affect people with it. The value >> of your presentation rises or falls with your skill at presentation. >In environments like this, communication over e-mail is not optional. This concurs with my asserted point: e-mail is a personal skill. >> 2: My embedded headless linux targets live in isolated >> networks, even relative to other computer or >> network equipment at the target site. At times, the nearest >> land is 2 miles straight down (ocean floor). > And your point is? Slightly beyond your grasp? Who, pray tell, is my attacker? >> 3: These targets are also without anything resembling >> a linux-aware operator and (ipso facto) must generate >> NO mail and self-limiting logs of a "usually ignored' type. > Well, that makes a little more sense. YAYYY! I've passed a cognitive coherence test from somebody whose methods of presentation in e-mail are sufficiently poor that I SIMPLY DON'T CARE whether I pass his tests. Once again, I depart from this conversation. ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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Re: [CentOS] [OT][Practices] The Case for RBAC/MAC
by Brian T. Brunner 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

1: e-mail is a people skill, you affect people with it. The value of your presentation rises or falls with your skill at presentation. 2: My embedded headless linux targets live in isolated networks, even relative to other computer or network equipment at the target site. At times, the nearest land is 2 miles straight down (ocean floor). 3: These targets are also without anything resembling a linux-aware operator and (ipso facto) must generate NO mail and self-limiting logs of a "usually ignored' type. from the above, SELinux offers me *nothing* I need and costs me something for which there is no reward. Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> thebs413(a)earthlink.net 11/17/05 06:38PM >>> Chris Mauritz <chrism(a)imntv.com> wrote: > SELinux shouldn't be turned on by default and in many cases > simply creates extra overhead/bloat on a system that doesn't > really need it. Okay, I give. I would like people to quantity/quality "doesn't really need it." I've really "bit my lip" on this since just after the early stuff, but it keeps coming up over and over. ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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x windows and i810 chipset
by Jerry Geis 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

here is part of my x file. It will not do the 1920x1080 mode. It says it is not defined. Jerry ---- Identifier "Monitor0" # "LVM-37w1" VendorName "WDE" ModelName "LVM-37w1" # Block type: 2:0 3:fe # Block type: 2:0 3:fd HorizSync 30-80 VertRefresh 50-75 # Max dot clock (video bandwidth) 140 MHz # Block type: 2:0 3:fc # DPMS capabilities: Active off:yes Suspend:no Standby:no Mode "1920x1080" # vfreq 59.934Hz, hfreq 66.587kHz DotClock 138.500000 HTimings 1920 1968 2000 2080 VTimings 1080 1082 1087 1111 Flags "-HSync" "+VSync" EndMode # Block type: 2:0 3:fe # Block type: 2:0 3:fd # Block type: 2:0 3:fc EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "i810" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "Intel 865" EndSection

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CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 9, Issue 12
by centos-announce-request＠centos.org 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-announce(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CEBA-2005:842 Important CentOS 4 i386 shadow-utils - bugfix update (Johnny Hughes) 2. CEBA-2005:842 Important CentOS 4 x86_64 shadow-utils - bugfix update (Johnny Hughes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:52:49 -0600 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2005:842 Important CentOS 4 i386 shadow-utils - bugfix update To: CentOS-Announce <centos-announce(a)centos.org> Message-ID: <1132336369.4094.27.camel(a)myth.home.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2005:842 https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2005-842.html The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: i386: shadow-utils-4.0.3-58.RHEL4.i386.rpm src: shadow-utils-4.0.3-58.RHEL4.src.rpm

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wget
by Peter Farrow 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

Dear all, It seems that wget version has had the -C (cache) option removed when it went from 1.9 to version 1.10, this happened somewhere between Centos 3.5 and 4.2. Does anyone know why the -C option was removed and how I can get it back? Other than regressing wget..... Regards Pete

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PostgreSQL 8.1 on CentOS4
by James B. Byrne 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

I have discovered that the default init script distributed with pgsql v8.1 sets the listening port to 5432 but does not enable tcp/ip connections. One must add the -i switch to the invocation line in the script. I am not sure if this is an oversight or whether there is another way to tell postmaster to start with tcp/ip listening enabled that I am unaware of. However, I thought that this information might be of interest to anyone else running a non-distro version of pgsql. Regards, Jim -- *** e-mail is not a secure channel *** mailto:byrnejb.<token>@harte-lyne.ca James B. Byrne Harte & Lyne Limited vox: +1 905 561 1241 9 Brockley Drive fax: +1 905 561 0757 Hamilton, Ontario <token> = hal Canada L8E 3C3

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x windows and i810 chipset
by Jerry Geis 18 Nov '05

18 Nov '05

I have an i810 chipset and am trying to set a custom mode. X is not taking that mode. Has anyone else run into this situation? How do I get X to take the mode on an i810 driver. Jerry

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How to properly install VLC?
by Olaf Greve 18 Nov '05

18 Nov '05

Hi all, My colleagues and friends from time to time send me .wmv files and I'd like to be able to view them under CentOS. VLC was recommended to me, and AFAIR about a half year ago I tried installing it. I don't remember the exact details, but I do remember that the Red Hat and Fedora binary distributions didn't work without giving all sorts of errors. I _think_ I then did a source compilation, and managed to get VLC at least to start up from the command line. However... It is still a brute text interface only, and when I try to add a wmv file to the playlist it gives me all sorts of errors and nagging about 'file format probably not supported' etc. :( I just tried to install the Red Hat binary distribution again from FireFox (from: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) and I didn't see it complain about anything, but still it doesn't work any differently from the above. :((( Does anyone know how to go about this (I don't mind doing a source compilation, just as long as I now which version to grab and how to get it properly installed)? Cheers, Olafo

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Beware - Yum 3.5 to 3.6 upgrade replaces named.conf
by Michael Rock 18 Nov '05

18 Nov '05

You get so used to yum upgrades going so smoothly but I learned the hard way to always make a thorough inspection after a yum update. I let yum go ahead and upgrade from 3.5 to 3.6. Afterwards I made some basic queries to httpd, postfix and bind named (probably a cached query). I even checked the /var/named/ directory and saw all my hosts files. So looked like another smooth ride, well until today I noticed my domains dropped off the net. Too bad I did not check the bind gui or look at /etc/named.conf after the yum update since it was replaced with a generic version from 3.6. Luckily I copied /etc/named.conf-rpmsave to named.conf and I am back in business, well at least in 24 to 72 hours for the rest of the world :( __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

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memoir and latex
by Sharon Kimble 18 Nov '05

18 Nov '05

I installed Centos 4.2 last night, I moved from Fedora Core 4 to it as I wanted to get off the distro upgrade treadmill, so I'm still learning about centos. I've been trying to add the memoir package to be used with latex but I can't find the exact right place for it. Can anyone who's installed it or knows about latex tell me please? Hopefully thanks Sharon. -- 12:50:25 up 58 min, 3 users, load average: 1.58, 1.72, 1.80 A taste of linux http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html efever http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ Centos 4.2, KDE 3.4.3-1.0, OpenOffice 2.0 Registered Linux user 334501

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Connecting via ssh i don't see accent characters
by iagosineiro＠yahoo.es 18 Nov '05

18 Nov '05

Hi. When I connect via ssh I don't see the accent characters for example when I execute setup config utility, but locally I see the accent characters. Note: It's a CentOS 4.2 configured for spanish. Iago

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Re: [CentOS] Minimal installation How-to?
by Brian T. Brunner 18 Nov '05

18 Nov '05

>From http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=798&forum=31 Re: centos4 server CD _almost_ here :) Posted on: 2005/8/22 16:43 _________________ -- Karanbir Singh { http://www.karan.org/ } >From http://www.karan.org/blog/ (the freak will see you now) CentOS 4.2 Server CD - i386 Released The single CD Server edition of CentOS 4.2/i386 has now been released. It lets you setup a basic CentOS 4 system along with the server components. Anything else that is needed can then be installed via yum or up2date once the system is running. The resulting installed system is identical to a normal CentOS 4 install ( with yum and up2date ). One important thing to keep in mind - this installer uses the stock i686 kernel - therefore i586 machines are not supported ( including MiniITX, ViaC3's, AMD K6' etc ). If you need to install on such machines, you will need to get the full distro. Download it from the /centos/4/isos/i386/ directory on your local mirror or pickup the torrent. We appreciate all feedback ( via http://bugs.centos.org/ ), including RFE's and Bug notices. Enjoy! -- Karanbir Singh { http://www.karan.org/ } Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> seanos(a)seanos.net 11/16/05 04:52AM >>> Tim Edwards wrote: > Sanjay Arora wrote: >> I would like to install the minimal level of Centos, with yum & selinux >> on my servers during the basic install from CD with Anaconda and then >> use yum to install whatever application is major on that server, so that >> yum installs its dependencies only, thus keeping to the target of >> installing only what is needed on a server. > > When you get to the package selection stage of the install scroll down > to the bottom and select 'Minimal Install'. I believe CentOS team released a CentOS 'Server CD', single CD for said 'minimal' installs. Recall something mensioned about installer using i586 or i686 kernel - Quick look through archive should show post in question. Regards, Sean _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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yum update - Glibc Problem
by Lee W 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Hi, I've just done a fresh install of Centos 4.0 on a Via C3 Based system using the Centos DVD I downloaded a while ago. Then install goes though fine as does running 'yum check-update'. However when running the actual 'yum update', it downloads all the headers but afterwards displays the following errors:- --> Processing Dependency: glibc-common = 2.3.4-2 for package: glibc --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: glibc-common = 2.3.4-2 is needed by package glibc I've checked using 'rpm -q glibc-common' that the appropriate version is installed (The system wouldn't run otherwise would it?):- [root@doc ~]# rpm -q glibc-common glibc-common-2.3.4-2 Has anyone else experienced this problem, I'm sure that I have been able to install Centos 4 on a Via system before, so does anyone know what (if anything) has changed with the recent versions of Glibc? Thanks in advance for any assistance offered Regards Lee

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Flashplayer-plugin
by Robert 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

I know that flashplayer-plugin is not packaged or distributed by CentOS but there's a RedHat "Critical" advisory at https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2005-835.html that I don't believe has been mentioned here. There is no CentOS rpm that I can find but the binary of version 7.0.61 is available from http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=S… and is pretty much a no-talent install. (Sure would be nice if rpm knew about it, though...)

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single CD server install ISO disk ready?
by Robert 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

greetings, i was wondering if i missed an announcement or if the quarterly update pushed back the release of the single CD server install ISO ??? :-) is there an ETA please? thank you! - rh -- Robert Hanson - Abba Communications Computer & Internet Services (509) 624-7159 - www.abbacomm.net

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Re: [CentOS] SELinux threads, cynicism, one-upmanship, etc.
by Brian T. Brunner 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Brian: DON'T focus blame on "consultancy". The management style you lambaste is prevalent to the point of being pandemic. The problem is NOT lack of accountability, it is rather one of "to whom are we accountable?" My products are NOT reviewed by geeks, theorists, and techno-pedants. My products are accountable to testers who are accountable to marketing who are accountable to stock holders and well-drillers and factory owners. They want a profit product, not a perfect product. "Good, fast, cheap; pick two" says it well. --the *other* pedantic Brian-- Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> thebs413(a)earthlink.net 11/17/05 01:08PM >>> Peter Farrow <peter(a)farrows.org> wrote: > running a consultancy business where time is money, tunring > it off and configuring as we always did before represents Consulting is why the IT infrastructure and security of this country has gone to crap. There is no accountability. There is only the pressure to complete things in unrealistic timeframes. Sound security policy has been put out-the-window by consulting, support non-sense, etc... You have to "tear it down" so you can "dumb it down" for people. And it happens in the most crucial of our nation's networks. Why? Consultants aren't accountable in most cases. And that's typically because the clients want it done now. ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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Custom kernel RPM/SRPM
by Giovanni P. Tirloni 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Hi, I've built customs kernels from the SRPMs with the following: rpmbuild -bp --target=i686 /path/to/spec cd /usr/src ln -s /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/kernel-x.y.z/linux-x.y.z linux cd linux make oldconfig make menuconfig make all make modules make modules_install And it works just fine. The problem now is that I think installing that way isn't "cool": I wan to build my own custom kernel RPM/SRPM. I thought about doing a "rpmbuild -bp" and change the options. Then a "rpmbuild -bc --short-circuit" and a "rpmbuild -bi --short-circuit". What's the correct way of doing this? Thanks in advance, -- Giovanni P. Tirloni http://blog.tirloni.org

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Re: [CentOS] SELinux threads, cynicism, one-upmanship, etc.
by Brian T. Brunner 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

What I implied, that Brian deleted, is that my product is in alien hands (some of whom can spell "Linux") and must pass the muster of the testers who answer to the marketeers who answer to the stock holders and customers. My product must fit the hands that work it. NONE of them know what SELinux is (compared to Linux) and (properly) resent every extent of my making them learn Linux. Their day job has NOTHING to do with learning Linux, let alone SELinux. Therefore, if SELinux breaks *anything* it gets switched off and is not part of the product. If it is a seamless fit, with no regression, then it can be allowed. Any self-important pedant who insists that this bully-boss attribute shall be catered to will be pedanted off the drilling platform. Walk home, twit! Land is only 2 miles away (straight down). "Ahhh but this is better and it is the future!" When (if) it doesn't break my stride, it will become the present. Until then it's already history. This rant/diatribe is for the benefit of people making "improvements" in a running, deployed, supported product. I think, at this point, I'll depart from the debate. Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> lesmikesell(a)gmail.com 11/17/05 01:40PM >>> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 12:29, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > "Brian T. Brunner" wrote: > > it is rather one of "to whom are we accountable?" > > I'm accountable to myself. > > I know I shock people, but if I'm to blame for anything, I'm > the first to admit it. I don't hide behind things, and I > have refused to do things before. And I've been let go by a > client for it too. Accepting the blame remotely isn't quite the same as working at the same place for a decade or more and having to live with what you built. Your rants on the side of security vs. convenience would be more believable if you added that you did all of your own work under such conditions and planned to continue for the foreseeable future. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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migration from redhat AS3/4
by Bassett, Mark 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

We have 30 or so boxes that are currently running either redhat as3 or as4 and would like to migrate them to Centos 4.2. We have a local centos 4.2 repository using yam. I have in the past updated es3 to as3 by removing the redhat-release rpm and installing the other redhat rpm. I realize there are virtually no differences in es and as3, except for access to additional packages. In any case, on the AS4 boxes would we be able to do the same thing? Remove the redhat-release rpm and install the centos-release file then switch the yum repository and update? Or are we talking a reinstall? I doubt that it will work from AS3 however, but I thought I'd throw that in as well. Thanks in advance, Mark

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Putting /etc in cvs
by Ugo Bellavance 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Hi, I'd like to put my servers' config files in cvs to make it easier to manage (yes, I know about Cfengine). I've been looking for a tutorial and I could find any, and since I'm not a CVS guru, I tried a few things, without even knowing if I'm doing it right. Any hints? Regards, -- Ugo -> Please don't send a copy of your reply by e-mail. I read the list. -> Please avoid top-posting, long signatures and HTML, and cut the irrelevant parts in your replies.

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kqemu centos3
by Dave 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Anyone get kqemu to make in Centos3? I'm getting modules disabled messages, AFAIK module support is enabled, its the stock kernel. make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/mips-softmmu' make -C kqemu make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/kqemu' make -C /lib/modules/2.4.21-37.EL/build SUBDIRS=`pwd` modules make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.21-37.EL' The present kernel configuration has modules disabled. Type 'make config' and enable loadable module support. Then build a kernel with module support enabled. make[2]: *** [modules] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.21-37.EL' make[1]: *** [kqemu.o] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/qemu-0.7.2/kqemu' make: *** [all] Error 2

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CESA-2005:810 / CESA-2005:811 -- missing src.rpms?
by Matthew Miller 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Recent updates to gdk-pixbuf and gtk2 have the binary rpms in the updates tree, but not the src.rpms. I know we can just get those from Red Hat, but it's nicer if we've got a coherent, self-contained distribution here.... -- Matthew Miller mattdm(a)mattdm.org <http://mattdm.org/> Boston University Linux ------> <http://linux.bu.edu/>

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RE: [CentOS] SELinux threads, cynicism, one-upmanship, etc.
by Brian T. Brunner 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

>All I want is enough power to do my job... and to not be distracted from *my* job to tackle what some stranger in Illinois thinks my job should be! SELinux is my alligator, not my swamp. CentOS4 allowed me to switch the thing off at install. Done. When SELinux is my job, I'll figure it out. Until then, I don't care who I irk, disappoint, or perturb by switching it off. Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> noyler(a)khimetrics.com 11/16/05 05:05PM >>> > The main reason I think sysadmins in general seem to hate SELinux is the > 'Mandatory' part of 'Mandatory Access Control' : that is, superuser power > is too addictive to get rid of, and SELinux can do away with 'superuser' > powers entirely. I disagree with this. The main reason I dislike SELinux is the way I was introduced to it. I wasted quite a bit of time on an issue before I even knew what SELinux was because it was turned on by default on an FC2 machine. I was asked by another admin to use FC2 on a particular job, and I never saw SELinux. The turning it on by default irked me. Superuser power as a trip is just silly. What's the difference? All I want is enough power to do my job. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 9, Issue 11
by centos-announce-request＠centos.org 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-announce(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CESA-2005:810-01: Important CentOS 2 i386 gdk-pixbuf security update (John Newbigin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:24:45 +1100 From: John Newbigin <jnewbigin(a)ict.swin.edu.au> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2005:810-01: Important CentOS 2 i386 gdk-pixbuf security update To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Message-ID: <437BB1AD.7030501(a)ict.swin.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed The following errata for CentOS-2 have been built and uploaded to the centos mirror: RHSA-2005:810-01 Important: gdk-pixbuf security update Files available: gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-12.el2.3.i386.rpm gdk-pixbuf-devel-0.22.0-12.el2.3.i386.rpm gdk-pixbuf-gnome-0.22.0-12.el2.3.i386.rpm More details are available from the RedHat web site at https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh21as-errata.html The easy way to make sure you are up to date with all the latest patches is to run: # yum update -- John Newbigin Computer Systems Officer Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies Swinburne University of Technology Melbourne, Australia http://www.ict.swin.edu.au/staff/jnewbigin ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CentOS-announce mailing list CentOS-announce(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce End of CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 9, Issue 11 **********************************************

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Turning root partition into a RAID array
by Nigel kendrick 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

I have a CentOS 4.2 system that was set up VERY quickly following the demise of its former life as a CentOS 3 server - you don't want the full story, but it had to be done quickly to get a company up and working following a slight disaster involving an electrician, a portable appliance safety tester and a pulled power cable - anyway, here's where I am at... Everything is running fine but I now want to mirror the root partition (/dev/hda3). I have read quite a few set of notes on the theory but since they contain conflicting advice I am hoping someone here can set me straight - here's what IO want to do: hda3 and hde3 become a mirrored pair (/dev/md0) and this is mounted at boot time as / Is it as simple as a quick mdadm command and then an edit of /etc/inittab?? If I try and use mdadm right now I get complaints that /dev/hda3 is busy (fair enough) so I guess I need to be in less than 'full steam ahead' mode to make the change - over to you.... Thanks

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question
by adrian kok 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Hi all I have the following questions 1/ do you know how to interrupt the console to capture the message when the system is in booting 2/ I use "top" to monitor the process to output the file. but the file is empty. Do you know why? Thank you

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Generate 32bit programs on x86_64 architecture?
by Michael Ubell 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

I'm trying to run purify on CentOS on an Intel Pentium 4/630 processor. Purify does not like the 64bit code. Is there some way to compile and run programs so that they are only using the 32 bit model? I tried gcc -m32 but then the system libraries come up missing. Purify engine: Error: Couldn't open the file crt1.o Purify engine: Error: Couldn't open the file crti.o Purify engine: Error: Couldn't resolve library directive: -ltcl8.4, (couldn't find library libtcl8.4.so or libtcl8.4.a). Purify engine: Error: Couldn't resolve library directive: -ldl, (couldn't find library libdl.so or libdl.a). Purify engine: Error: Couldn't resolve library directive: -lieee, (couldn't find library libieee.so or libieee.a). Purify engine: Error: Couldn't resolve library directive: -lm, (couldn't find library libm.so or libm.a). Purify engine: Error: Couldn't resolve library directive: -lc, (couldn't find library libc.so or libc.a). Purify engine: Error: Couldn't open the file crtn.o Purify engine: Error: Couldn't resolve library directive: -ldl, (couldn't find library libdl.so or libdl.a).

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Problem with X...help please.
by Sanjay Arora 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

List: I am using Centos updated till date. Last night I shut down the system and X was working fine...today morning I start X and it does not work for my normal user. X starts for root & other users. The error output seems totally incomprehensibe and scrolls away from the screen too quickly. The /var/log/Xorg.0.log seems to have only the subsequent success of login of other user or I can't seem to find the correct error in it. Only thing I did yesterday in addition to normal browsing & emailing & yum updation...was to install the Yahoo messenger for RH9...was said to be compatible with ES4 and it did work perfectly fine. How do I startx X for the user it is not starting for? or at least where do I find the errors to report. Only display 0 setup for X. Help a desperate man please !! ;-((( Sanjay. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

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RE: [CentOS] SELinux threads, cynicism, one-upmanship, etc.
by Nathan Oyler 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

> Ummm, why were you installing Fedora Core 2 in a _production_ > environment? > > I mean, I'm all for Fedora Core in a production environment, > but _not_ the latest version that changes everything (which > Fedora Core 2 did). Yikes! It was a request I had nothing to do with. I didn't say it was an entirely reasonable argument, but those were my feelings. I wouldn't have installed FC2 if that wasn't what was forced on me. I have my domains, and this wasn't one of them. But yes, you're right.

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RE: [CentOS] SELinux threads, cynicism, one-upmanship, etc.
by Nathan Oyler 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

> The main reason I think sysadmins in general seem to hate SELinux is the > 'Mandatory' part of 'Mandatory Access Control' : that is, superuser power > is too addictive to get rid of, and SELinux can do away with 'superuser' > powers entirely. I disagree with this. The main reason I dislike SELinux is the way I was introduced to it. I wasted quite a bit of time on an issue before I even knew what SELinux was because it was turned on by default on an FC2 machine. I was asked by another admin to use FC2 on a particular job, and I never saw SELinux. I turn it on now for all machines, but if you were to have asked me at any point in the week my feelings on SELinux they would have not been pleasant. At the time, I looked and there wasn't any real documentation for what I was trying to do, and why it failed. Now after time has passed, I realize what was going on but when you're in the middle of a job on a time crunch, the last thing you want to do is learn a new security system. I turned the thing off. Got what I needed done, and came back to the issue at a later date. The turning it on by default irked me. Superuser power as a trip is just silly. What's the difference? All I want is enough power to do my job.

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correct way to migrate old data on hda to new sda
by Jerry Geis 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

I am migrating off of a 40GIG hda to a new 160GIG sda disk. I plan on installing 4.2 from scratch. But after that what is the correct way do transfer all the data from hda (home partition really) to the new sda home partition? I presume there is just a couple files in /etc to restore also. Like hosts, passwd. Anything else? Other suggestions welcome also. this is my first time migrating to a new disk. THanks, jerry

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Java with 4.2
by Russ N3TIH 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

whats involved to have full java support with Centos 4.2 ? Russ

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Downloading v4
by kevin.kempter＠dataintellect.com 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

Hi List; I see in the 4.2 downloads area the following: [ ] CentOS-4.2-i386-bin1of4.iso 11-Oct-2005 13:07 618M [ ] CentOS-4.2-i386-bin2of4.iso 11-Oct-2005 13:13 635M [ ] CentOS-4.2-i386-bin3of4.iso 11-Oct-2005 13:20 639M [ ] CentOS-4.2-i386-bin4of4.iso 11-Oct-2005 13:22 217M [ ] CentOS-4.2.ServerCD-i386.iso 07-Nov-2005 04:36 558M What is the 4.2ServerCD ? I plan to download the 4 bin cd's and load the os on a sony vaio laptop. Do I also need the server cd?

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Re: [CentOS] Downloading v4
by Brian T. Brunner 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

It is a single-CD distribution of CentOS 4 that (so I hear) will install in *small* places. Since it is intended as a small server distribution, the package set is sharply reduced. Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> kevin.kempter(a)dataintellect.com 11/16/05 01:56PM >>> Hi List; I see in the 4.2 downloads area the following: [ ] CentOS-4.2-i386-bin1of4.iso 11-Oct-2005 13:07 618M [ ] CentOS-4.2-i386-bin2of4.iso 11-Oct-2005 13:13 635M [ ] CentOS-4.2-i386-bin3of4.iso 11-Oct-2005 13:20 639M [ ] CentOS-4.2-i386-bin4of4.iso 11-Oct-2005 13:22 217M [ ] CentOS-4.2.ServerCD-i386.iso 07-Nov-2005 04:36 558M What is the 4.2ServerCD ? I plan to download the 4 bin cd's and load the os on a sony vaio laptop. Do I also need the server cd? _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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[OT] Witty one liners or computer related proverbs
by Peter Farrow 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

Dear All, I need some witty computer related proverbs or one liners that some of have used in the past as footers for your emails for example. I particularly remember a PERL based transliteration joke/footer that when run in PERL produces a witty output.... This is to fix a problem internally created by an over zealous salesman at my company pinning up A4 sheets with bullSh*t sales proverbs on them!!! thanks Pete

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Invitation
by manish jain 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

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Re: [CentOS] Minimal installation How-to?
by Brian T. Brunner 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

Building a new ISO with a <= i586 kernel should not be hard. Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com 11/16/05 10:08AM >>> >From http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=798&forum=31 Re: centos4 server CD _almost_ here :) Posted on: 2005/8/22 16:43 _________________ -- Karanbir Singh { http://www.karan.org/ } >From http://www.karan.org/blog/ (the freak will see you now) CentOS 4.2 Server CD - i386 Released The single CD Server edition of CentOS 4.2/i386 has now been released. It lets you setup a basic CentOS 4 system along with the server components. Anything else that is needed can then be installed via yum or up2date once the system is running. The resulting installed system is identical to a normal CentOS 4 install ( with yum and up2date ). One important thing to keep in mind - this installer uses the stock i686 kernel - therefore i586 machines are not supported ( including MiniITX, ViaC3's, AMD K6' etc ). If you need to install on such machines, you will need to get the full distro. Download it from the /centos/4/isos/i386/ directory on your local mirror or pickup the torrent. We appreciate all feedback ( via http://bugs.centos.org/ ), including RFE's and Bug notices. Enjoy! -- Karanbir Singh { http://www.karan.org/ } Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> seanos(a)seanos.net 11/16/05 04:52AM >>> Tim Edwards wrote: > Sanjay Arora wrote: >> I would like to install the minimal level of Centos, with yum & selinux >> on my servers during the basic install from CD with Anaconda and then >> use yum to install whatever application is major on that server, so that >> yum installs its dependencies only, thus keeping to the target of >> installing only what is needed on a server. > > When you get to the package selection stage of the install scroll down > to the bottom and select 'Minimal Install'. I believe CentOS team released a CentOS 'Server CD', single CD for said 'minimal' installs. Recall something mensioned about installer using i586 or i686 kernel - Quick look through archive should show post in question. Regards, Sean _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Witty one liners or computer related proverbs
by Brian T. Brunner 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

/usr/games/fortune, run in a forever loop, should provide you with a fair collection in short order. Midget fortune teller escapes! Headline: Small Medium at large! Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> peter(a)farrows.org 11/16/05 09:50AM >>> Dear All, I need some witty computer related proverbs or one liners that some of have used in the past as footers for your emails for example. I particularly remember a PERL based transliteration joke/footer that when run in PERL produces a witty output.... This is to fix a problem internally created by an over zealous salesman at my company pinning up A4 sheets with bullSh*t sales proverbs on them!!! thanks Pete _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10
by centos-announce-request＠centos.org 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-announce(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CESA-2005:810 Important CentOS 3 i386 gdk-pixbuf - security update (Tru Huynh) 2. CESA-2005:810 Important CentOS 3 x86_64 gdk-pixbuf - security update (Tru Huynh) 3. CESA-2005:811 Important CentOS 3 i386 gtk2 - security update (Tru Huynh) 4. CESA-2005:811 Important CentOS 3 x86_64 gtk2 - security update (Tru Huynh) 5. CESA-2005:811 Important CentOS 4 x86_64 gtk2 - security update (Johnny Hughes) 6. CESA-2005:811 Important CentOS 4 i386 gtk2 - security update (Johnny Hughes) 7. CESA-2005:810 Important CentOS 4 i386 gdk-pixbuf - security update (Johnny Hughes) 8. CESA-2005:810 Important CentOS 4 x86_64 gdk-pixbuf - security update (Johnny Hughes) 9. CESA-2005:810 Important CentOS 3 ia64 gdk-pixbuf - security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 10. CESA-2005:811 Important CentOS 3 ia64 gtk2 - security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 11. CESA-2005:810 Important CentOS 4 ia64 gdk-pixbuf - security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 12. CESA-2005:811 Important CentOS 4 ia64 gtk2 - security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 13. CESA-2005:810 Important CentOS 4 axp gdk-pixbuf - security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 14. CESA-2005:810 Important CentOS 3 s390(x) gdk-pixbuf - security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 15. CESA-2005:810 Important CentOS 4 s390(x) gdk-pixbuf - security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 16. CESA-2005:811 Important CentOS 4 axp gtk2 - security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 17. CESA-2005:811 Important CentOS 3 s390(x) gtk2 - security update (Pasi Pirhonen) 18. CESA-2005:811 Important CentOS 4 s390(x) gtk2 - security update (Pasi Pirhonen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:47:15 +0100 From: Tru Huynh <tru(a)centos.org> Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2005:810 Important CentOS 3 i386 gdk-pixbuf - security update To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Message-ID: <20051115164715.GA16232(a)sillage.bis.pasteur.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" CentOS Errata and Security Advisory CESA-2005:810 gdk-pixbuf security update for CentOS 3 i386: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2005-810.html The following updated file has been uploaded and is currently syncing to the mirrors: i386: updates/i386/RPMS/gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-13.el3.3.i386.rpm updates/i386/RPMS/gdk-pixbuf-devel-0.22.0-13.el3.3.i386.rpm updates/i386/RPMS/gdk-pixbuf-gnome-0.22.0-13.el3.3.i386.rpm source: updates/SRPMS/gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-13.el3.3.src.rpm You may update your CentOS-3 i386 installations by running the command: yum update gdk-pixbuf\* Tru -- Tru Huynh (CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance) http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBEFA581B

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RE: [CentOS] question[Scanned]
by Pascal MIQUET 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

Did you try the dmesg command when the system is up ? HTH Pascal -----Message d'origine----- De : centos-bounces(a)centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] De la part de adrian kok Envoyé : mercredi 16 novembre 2005 04:46 À : centos(a)centos.org Objet : [CentOS] question[Scanned] Hi all I have the following questions 1/ do you know how to interrupt the console to capture the message when the system is in booting 2/ I use "top" to monitor the process to output the file. but the file is empty. Do you know why? Thank you _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

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Minimal installation How-to?
by Sanjay Arora 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

Hi all I would like to install the minimal level of Centos, with yum & selinux on my servers during the basic install from CD with Anaconda and then use yum to install whatever application is major on that server, so that yum installs its dependencies only, thus keeping to the target of installing only what is needed on a server. Please advise pros/cons of this approach and how to do it. I have never used anaconda in such a way before...please advise. With best regards. Sanjay.

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SELinux on CentOS4
by James B. Byrne 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

craigwhite at azapple.com wrote: > The technical information is good but it seems to zip over my head > and a selinux for dummies thing would seem to be helpful but I did > post up my alterations to local.te for the 2 issues that I was > dealing with and yea, it fixed them. Consider this book from O'Reilly: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/excerpt/selnx_1/ Not exactly for dummies, but far better than groping in the dark. Regards, Jim -- *** e-mail is not a secure channel *** mailto:byrnejb.<token>@harte-lyne.ca James B. Byrne Harte & Lyne Limited vox: +1 905 561 1241 9 Brockley Drive fax: +1 905 561 0757 Hamilton, Ontario <token> = hal Canada L8E 3C3

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SELinux on CentOS4
by James B. Byrne 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

I regret the delay in replying to this topic but I am a digest subscriber so I only see list traffic once every 24 hours. When I moved from RHES3 to CentOS4 back in April/May of this year I was bitten by the SELinux gnat as well, and the temptation to swat a distracting irritation by killing it in its bed nearly proved irresistible. However, taking to heart the advice given to me here and reading about SELinux on RedHat's web site I choose not to. Rather I discovered how to get immediate fixes to the SELinux permissions for specific programs applied to the host's local policy while seeking confirmation here and elsewhere as to whether the policy changes proposed by "audit2allow" made sense or should be adjusted. The process of reconfiguring the local policy for SELinux is in itself almost trivial, assuming that one has first installed the applicable selinux-policy-targeted-sources rpm package. One need only first establish that the problem is in fact caused by SELinux by grep'ing the system log file (/var/log/messages) for entries containing "avc" relating to the application in question. If this proves the case then first "cd /etc/selinux/targeted/src/policy" and then "make reload". Then run the program that is having problems with SELinux, then run audit2allow (#audit2allow -l -i /var/log/messages)and gather the resulting policy recommendations into a text file. The -l flag limits the report to those log entries made by SELinux since the last policy reload. You can then: add them to your local policy file (/etc/selinux/targeted/src/policy/domains/misc/local.te); cd into /etc/selinux/targeted/src/policy; and make reload as root. You may have to repeat this process several times to exhaust all of the circumstances that a packages trespasses against SELinux. You will probably find it most convenient if you keep these changes segregated by application in your local policy file. I also have found it useful to post them as a set on SELinux related mailing lists (and even this list) for comments by people more knowledgeable than I with the intent of narrowing the permissions granted the application to the minimum set required. Audit2allow often recommends wider scope than actually needed. The result is that with a few minutes work virtually any application can be enabled within SELinux without forgoing any of the other benefits that SELinux provides. Even if the application is initially granted too great an access the resulting situation is usually still preferable to turning SELinux off entirely. One can always return to the local policy file and tighten it up when one obtains the necessary information as to where this is advisable. Regards, Jim -- *** e-mail is not a secure channel *** mailto:byrnejb.<token>@harte-lyne.ca James B. Byrne Harte & Lyne Limited vox: +1 905 561 1241 9 Brockley Drive fax: +1 905 561 0757 Hamilton, Ontario <token> = hal Canada L8E 3C3

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Evolution problem after update
by Sam Drinkard 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

List: Not positive this is an update problem, but did not have it till after a recent update. Now when sending mail to my mailserver, I get an error from Evolution as "Host lookup failed: vortex.wa4phy.net%20 :Name or service not known" I have to use the MSA port due to port 25 being blocked by isp. Any ideas about the error message? The resolver is pointed to the upstream name server, and I have made no other changes. -- Snowman

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Re: centos] Beware - Yum 3.5 to 3.6 upgrade replacesnamed.conf -- not a YUM issue ...
by Brian T. Brunner 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

"Bzzzt wrong --- yada" is contentious, we don't need it. Please. 2: It's not rpm, it's the packager => "The killer is innocent, the *gun* killed the victim" " the gun didn't kill him, the *bullet* did" "no, the wound did!" "no, the loss of blood did" "no, dying did". *jeesh* Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> herrold(a)owlriver.com 11/15/05 03:56PM >>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Has nothing to do with YUM. > It has to do with RPM. buzz -- wrong - thanks for playing -- It has to do with the rpm packager's design decisions; nothing more, nothing less -- rpm did just what it was told to do. -- Russ Herrold _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS(a)centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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[Fwd: [suse-amd64] OFF-TOPIC - *very* bad]
by William A. Mahaffey III 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

I saw this on the SuSE AMD64 list & decided to pass it along, since it seems like a sneaky problem. Later posts confirm it is *NOT* AMD64-specific, nor SuSE 9.3 specific .... -- William A. Mahaffey III --------------------------------------------------------------------- Remember, ignorance is bliss, but willful ignorance is LIBERALISM !!!!

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Jinzora and mounted file system
by Darryl L. Pierce 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

When I setup my system, I created a file system (/dev/hda3) that I mount as /var/music. I installed Jinzora on my system and want to use it as the frontend for listening to my MP3s. However, when Jinzora tries to access anything on /var/music it complains that it's an invalid file system. I can use sound-juicer to rip CDs and write them to that file system, though. I also created an alias for Apache to host that directory and that also complains that it's not accessible, so I'm thinking there's a permissions problem. The mount point and the files on that file system are owned by apache.apache so that's not the problem, I'm assuming. Any ideas? If I copy the files to a a directory that's *not* a mount point then Jinzora reads the files just fine, even if that directory's not an Apache alias... -- Darryl L. Pierce <mcpierce(a)gmail.com> Homepage: http://mcpierce.multiply.com/ "By doubting we come to inquiry, through inquiry truth." - Peter Abelard

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Re: [CentOS] Turning root partition into a RAID array
by chris hammond 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

RIP (Recovery is Possible) also has a script to allow you to install and boot it from USB flash/pen drive. Chris >>>spamcatcher(a)lantrix.no 11/15/05 1:03 pm >>> >That's the ticket. I wonder if anyone has tried building a "rescue USB >thumb drive" since the 1GB devices are so cheap these days. That would >be great for this kind of situation. FWIW, I'm booting my firewall from an usb pen drive with devil-linux installed, so a rescue environment should be doable. But then again, devil-linux works like a rescue environment for CentOS anyway. :) Regards, Harald -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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Java support : is there a native package ?
by mbneto 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

Hi, I was wondering if there is a rpm package for java (jre) to centos 4.x or do I have to get from sun/ibm/blackdown ? tks.

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Re: selinux stuff - I just don't get
by Brian T. Brunner 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

Fixing it isn't my job, that's why! I got other strange fish to fry (like the frigging compiler), if SELinux *couldn't* be disabled, that would inspire an immediate decision to drop the distro. cold. Fix it if it pleases you to do so, *please* understand I'm plenty busy with the things I'm paid to do, and have *my* *own* hobbies & distractions for the free time. When SELinux is ready for The Big Time (meaning it doesn't break other apps), ship it my way! Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner(a)gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> tdiehl(a)rogueind.com 11/14/05 10:14PM >>> although I fail to see how anyone expects it to ever get fixed if no one will even try to use it. ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated

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