On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 10:48 AM Gordon Messmer gordon.messmer@gmail.com wrote:
On 2023-07-13 03:12, Simon Matter wrote:
As I found out yesterday, the fragmentation of the "Enterprise Linux" ecosystem just started to come true.
I've been trying to figure out what SUSE meant when they announced a "hard fork" of RHEL. If they mean to maintain a fork that remains interface-compatible with RHEL (and a fork that doesn't remain compatible doesn't make much sense, because the thing that everyone wants is the benefit of RHEL's integration with other vendors), then they'll probably periodically branch from Stream, the same way that RHEL does.
If that happens, and if it's successful, the irony is that through poor communication, Red Hat might have actually made progress in creating a *less* fragmented ecosystem of distributions all conforming to a common ABI, descending from Stream.
I expect this is only the beginning and Red Hat may also start to completely hold back sources of non GPL software which is part of the "Enterprise Linux" ecosystem.
I think that's exactly the opposite of the direction that Red Hat is moving. CentOS Stream makes the RHEL product more open than it has ever been -- including making it easier to create real Enterprise-ready products that compete on level ground with RHEL, in ways that clones never could.
I get it, I have seen you post this over and over in the mail list in regards to how great Centos Stream is. Well its not what the original Centos was, its something very different, it may work for you and others but it's not the same. If it were we would not be having this discussion and there would be no need for Rocky, alma etc..If it was what the community wanted then we would not have seen the mass exodus to other distro's that came to try to fill the gap, no it's not the same at all, it's different and thats fine but folks are free to chose to use it or something else. Seems most have chosen to use something else and RH continues to burn them down also...again it's there choice, so now that I see what they really want to do I also have a choice to not to continue or recommend their product, again as referenced by one of the many RH articles, we are all just freeloaders so we shouldn't be missed.