I'll be the first to admit I don't like change and arguably I'm in the wrong industry for that, but that's another matter. However I don't want to throw away years of experience with CentOS/Fedora and time invested (mine personally and my company's) learning and perfecting setups of which I have now around 50. A fair few of my Ansible setup are EL only, both from Galaxy and custom. I'm used to the layout, the packages, and what you'd expect after ~10 years of working with it.
At the moment my question possibly would have been better phrased "Why isn't Streama suitable platform for a production web server".
I get that everyone including myself is frustrated by the situation and so I'm trying to filter out the doomsayers and those who want to annoy RH by saying they are jumping to another distro like Debian. To me, I'm thinking at least for my situation and has already been said, Stream might actually be a positive but I shall wait and see what happens. And as for the 5 years LTS, that will be the same for every distro anyway.
Cheers Jamie
On 6 Jan 2021, at 17:56, Mauricio Tavares raubvogel@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 8:30 AM Jamie Burchell mail@jamieburchell.com wrote:
We use Ansible "to a point" in that it sets up what we consider to be our preferred server (Droplet) for a specific purpose, then we deploy projects on them and tweak non-Ansible managed project configs. It's not old-school scripts and it's not quite a one-liner to deploy everything. It's somewhere in the middle. So in reality, providing we have control over a customer's DNS or we use floating IPs, migrating to another major release isn't as time consuming as doing everything from scratch.
Good to hear. I myself have been using ansible to deploy basicsystems -- DNS, mail, my hardware test environment -- so I can then do the clever -- decide how I want to run my experiments for instance -- stuff. Without going over my opinions -- I am very opinionated -- about the centos thingie, I think you having your playbooks will allow you to wait and see how this unfolds. If it goes horribly wrong you can still switch.
With that said, I think your real concern is you can't afford centos stream going boink on you. Your customers may not be as understanding as Darth Vader if that happens.
Here is my opinion: Redhat said you have normal centos 8 until the end of the year. I would stick to it until, say, October, while keeping an eye on how centos stream unfolds. Maybe even running a test centos stream to replicate production (or have it in production where it is ok if it goes boink). If by then your confidence on stream is high, switch to it (*should* be easy). If not, plan to move your customers. In the meantime, slowly ensure your ansible playbooks can handle the other usual suspects (at least debian and one of the other RH-derived distros). And plan the order you will move your customers if you have to.
On 6 Jan 2021, at 13:17, Mauricio Tavares raubvogel@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM Jamie Burchell mail@jamieburchell.com wrote:
Off topic for sure, but it's a shame this has to be a manual process of destroying and rebuilding every X years. Even Microsoft has gone the Apple way and just perpetually updates Windows 10 now.
Do you use tools like ansible/chef? If you can put the time in,you can make your webservers rather distro agnostic. I would even put terraform on the table. It is not like your customers will know the difference.
On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 at 23:20, Gordon Messmer gordon.messmer@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/5/21 3:02 PM, Jamie Burchell wrote:
We will need to (manually) migrate to Stream 9.x after 5 years instead of 10 though?
Yes. CentOS Stream has a lifecycle comparable with other LTS distributions.
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