On 07/08/2014 01:11 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Lamar Owen wrote:
On 07/08/2014 11:58 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
... How much is this going to cost a typical company _just_ to keep their existing programs working the same way over the next decade (which is a relatively short time in terms of business-process changes)?
Les, this is the wrong question to ask. The question I ask is 'What will be my return on investment be, in potentially lower costs, to run my programs in a different way?' If there is no ROI, or a really long
No, it's *not* the wrong question. Are you going to figure ROI INCLUDING all the a) reworking, b) retraining (oh, that's right, almost *no* one pays for training, other than on-the-jop or take your own lunch brown bags) in the costs? And how 'bout how long it's going to recoup those up-front costs (or where you planning on hiring all new people anyway?), and will there be *another* change coming along in five years...?
ROI, well, I still have C6 to run until 2020 while I invest the time in determining if a new way is better or not. Fact is that all of the major Linux distributions are going this way; do you really think all of them would change if this change were stupid?
May I point to upstart, and that it lasted a few years, before folks decided it was a Bad Idea? How many years of systemd do we have to compare and contrast?
Unfortunately the way systemd has intertwined itself into to so much more that just system startup, it could be around for a long time.
Even if the changes themselves are minor, you have to cover the cost of paying some number of people for that 'get used to the syntax' step. Personally I think Red Hat did everyone a disservice by splitting the development side off to fedora and divorcing it from the enterprise users that like the consistency.
YES!!!!!!!!! Let fedora duke it out with ubuntu; give us a *work* o/s.
Consistency is not the only goal. Efficiency should trump consistency,
Wrong. I *STRONGLY* disagree. Efficiency should be a goal off consistency, and consistency should not be highly inefficient. However, as I've mentioned before, when I go home after a hard day administering a hundred-plus-many servers and workstations to my own workstation at home, I do *NOT* want to debug my o/s. (And I'm putting off trying to upgrade my router's DD-WRT, in the hope that I'll find something less buggy with USB printer support).
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