On 04/13/2011 07:55 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 04/13/2011 10:24 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 4/12/2011 5:40 PM, R P Herrold wrote:
There is no compelling reason to tamper with a system that works that I have seen so far.
Is there any amount of elapsed time that will convince you otherwise?
I'll refrain from calling this passage of time a delay, since that would imply some sort of schedule, but it would nice if the project web site set expectations appropriately.
And wouldn't the same 'system that works' comment have applied to WhiteBox for some bounded period of time?
Our goals have not changed, they are still what they were and what are posted. Sometimes it takes longer than we want.
People have a choice. They can use CentOS or they can use something else.
We do not need to say the same things over and over again.
There is no "time limit" that we would go past where I would allow people who I do not know and trust to commit items into the CentOS tree. I have to use this in production and it has to be done correctly. It does not matter how long it takes if it is done right.
I don't think that's what we are discussing here about. I think we are discussing about making it all open, so that everybody can setup a build environment easily and start working on the real issues, not working on the build environment itself. You replied to one of my questions, and gave me plenty of information. I thank you for that. That's useful. However, if I want to start troubleshooting packages right away, and help CentOS, I can't do that. I will first have to loop through emails from you on this list. Find hints on the build environment. Loop through bugs.centos find hints there as well. Probably it will take me much more time setting things up, than actually debugging the trouble package. So, what I think we (we = some of us) are asking, is make it easy for anybody to set this up and start debugging. The way things are right now, no wonder few people help. People who can actually help here, have little time. If you don't give them some resources, thy won't bother figuring it out.
Whitebox is not, nor was it ever, deployed on 29% of all Linux webserver servers worldwide. CentOS is ... right now ... deployed on 29% of web servers on the Internet that use Linux. That is more than RHEL and Ubuntu combined: http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux/all/all
CentOS is also deployed on 8 of the top 500 supercomputers in the world (actually more than 8, because many that use CentOS instead just say Linux as a generic name): http://www.top500.org/stats/list/36/os
Specifically Ranger: http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/lone_ranger
CentOS is in use in hundreds of Universities all over the world.
CentOS is a major player on the Amazon Cloud: http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=BE5C04FE-1A64-6A71-CEBD76121F6F5495
We must be doing something right.
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