On 25/03/14 14:06, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
On 03/25/2014 12:45 PM, Ned Slider wrote:
On 25/03/14 04:05, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
Has anybody gotten this working?
By the way, this is CentOS 6.5.
If you are starting from scratch building a mail server you might want to look at SME server or ClearOS where webmail works out of the box.
It would be my personal preference that we help people run things on CentOS rather than always recommending another distribution.
SME isn't exactly an 'other' distribution, and ClearOS wouldn't be if CentOS6 had had a timely release. They are the same code underneath, just already configured to work as installed and with a few additions.
Whilst I understand why Johnny would prefer to be able to offer a CentOS-based solution rather than signposting users towards other products, I must admit I kind of agree with Les here.
My initial thought to Johnny's reply was why would CentOS want to reinvent this particular wheel, looking to solve a problem that has already been solved, just not by CentOS.
But if that's what a SIG wants to do, in the CentOS space, fine. Just be aware that a number of mature products already exist so you have a lot of catch up work to do just to get off the starting line.
What demand for such a product do you think exists from CentOS users? My guess is if people want or need that product they have long since been using the competition's offerings. So how long do you think it will take to get a CentOS offering to the point it can win back users from the competition? These are the types of questions I'd be thinking about if I were considering investing my time in such a SIG.
On top of what you said, I would add that majority of users are not real hard core admins, just people with an itch to scratch. So in that case out-of-the-box working system for regular Joe is what they need, a car that you can start and drive, not an assembly kit that need weeks of learning and putting together before driving it.
SME like ClearOS if what they need, and it is good way to start learning about CentOS, since all base packages are just that. I also started with ClarckConnect (ClearOS) in 2005, and I started to learn how things work once I had my web and mail server running on them.
Yes, I agree.
I see two types of user - those who just want it to work out of the box with a Windows-like point and click interface to configure things without really having any clue what is happening under the bonnet, and those who want to assemble a system from the component parts and have a fuller understanding of how their system works. For the latter, I wrote the Postfix series of guides on the Wiki
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos#head-0facb50d5796bee0bd394636c32ffa9a997a6ab5
which were designed to be modular and extensible, allowing folks to start off with a basic Postfix mail server and add such functionality as spam/virus filtering or authentication etc to their setup as and when required, learning the underlying technologies as they go.
Personally I would rather learn how to do something myself rather than have it pre-configured in such a way as someone else deems appropriate. That way when it breaks I have a clue how to fix it. So for me, a SIG needs to be little more than a set of tried and tested documentation I can follow together with a few extra packages in /CentOS/SIG/MailServerExtras that are missing from Core (which already exist in Repoforge and EPEL anyway). I don't want/need a pre-configued installable ISO image or whatever that has already made lots of predetermined choices for me.