Josh Miller wrote:
On 08/11/2011 10:56 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Craig White wrote:
On Aug 11, 2011, at 4:51 AM, mark wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 21:36 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
<snip> >> You don't seem to understand the issue. My hosting provider has >> literally hundreds of thousands of domains. The email gets funneled >> for all, I assume, except those paying for co-location, through their >> heavy-duty mailhost. manitu sees spam coming from that mailhost, and >> blocks EVERY EMAIL FROM EVERY DOMAIN that goes through it, even though >> none of the rest of us are running windows or spamming.... > ---- > Not sure who it is that doesn't understand the issues. > > If an RBL has designated a particular SMTP server or range of SMTP > servers as a source for spam then the solution lies with those > that own the SMTP > servers to satisfy the RBL and get the blocks removed. > > Yes, some RBL's are more aggressive than others but the notion that it > blocks EVERY EMAIL FROM EVERY DOMAIN is exactly what RBL's are supposed
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And that's *EXACTLY* what I'm saying is the wrong thing to do. Dunno where you live, but go ahead, for whoever provides 'Net access to your home: call them up, or email them, and tell them to contact manitu, and to request that manitu put them on a whitelist.
Let me know when they get back to you. I'll look for your email sometime around the time when you move and change providers.
In fact, that is one of the single most effective mechanisms used to combat spam, in my experience and will cut down the amount accepted at the gateway(s) by up to 95%.
I'm not sure who you're answering or agreeing with, but my point is still that 90% of everybody blocked has no clue whatever about what to do about it, and esp. the people with infected systems. A standard channel *to* an ISP for this kind of technical issue - either the ISP notifying the spammer that their machine needs to be cleaned before they'll be allowed back online, or between ISP, would do something useful. But I doubt very much that most of those 90% of users who are *not* spammers, nor infected, would have any idea to complain to their ISP that something needed to be done, and so the ISP goes on thinking there's no problem. The result that *I* see from that is that people simply drop, or change services, and nothing gets fixed. <snip> mark