On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn <dennisml@conversis.de
wrote:
On 11/02/2011 06:34 AM, Ned Slider wrote:
On 01/11/11 22:26, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 11/01/2011 09:36 PM, Ned Slider wrote:
On 01/11/11 18:27, Bob Hoffman wrote:
David Miller wrote
You can go with the self support option. Seeing you are willing to go
with CentOS as long
as there are timely updates. That tells me you dont really care about
getting "support" from
the vendor. You can pick up workstation self support for $50and server for $350 a year.
That means you will get all the updates but just can't call oropen tickets with Redhat.
The limitations imposed by Redhat for "Support" they willprovide are artificial.
Although Redhat says it will only support 2 sockets and xamount of virtual guests you can still do it.
From what I saw on the redhat site they have also taken away thatsupport/subscription model. They have standard support as minimum, for me it would be 4,000+ or
more
for my 2 little non-commercial servers...forget it.
First option, Desktop Self-support Subscription (1 year) $49:
https://www.redhat.com/apps/store/desktop/
First option, Server Self-support Subscription (1 year) $349
https://www.redhat.com/apps/store/server/
A 2 socket virtualization platform is $1,999 giving unlimited virtual guests.
Just to be sure does that mean that for $2000 I can install on one
physical
system and unlimited guests on that system or does that mean the $2000
are
only for the host system with the *ability* to host an unlimited number
of
guests and I still have to buy a subscription for each individual guest
on
top of that?
Regards, Dennis
All I can tell you is that our virtualization licenses allow you to install on 1 host (up to 2 sockets), and on *that* one host you can then install as many RHEL guests as you like and they will all be entitled to updates through RHN without consuming any further entitlements. So unlimited entitled RHEL guests.
Is that the $2000 license or how much do you pay for that? I'm trying to understand if the costs of licensing RHEL are actually feasible for and right now I'm a bit perplexed that their licensing isn't all that clear. If the license indeed includes the entitlements for RHEL guests on that host then this actually looks manageable but if you have to pony up more on top of that for each VM then something like debian looks indeed more attractive.
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I don't work for Red Hat, but I had these same questions answered a few months ago when I wanted to move my employer from CentOS to RHEL, as we are moving ALL web hosting assets from IIS *shudder* to Linux. Unfortunately my employer confuses "open-source" with "free" and felt that $1500-$2500 (Education pricing) for unlimited guests was outrageous. Personally, I felt if they want enterprise level web services, and value continuity then it was worth it. If I ever left this organisation, it would be much easier to find someone who can use RHEL (or a phone) to get things working than to go with no commercial support.
Anyway, The Unlimited guests means you pay for one physical machine with up to two CPU sockets (not cores). If your physical host has 20 guests, it's of no extra cost. In my case I would have to pay for 2 servers as I run them in a failover cluster, but between those two servers I would pay nothing extra no matter how many virtual guests I ran.
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As for CentOS and it's future, even with the changes from RHN I don't see CentOS being any less useful. The fact that Red Hat took the time to make sure the CentOS devs understood the changes to the AUP shows some appreciation. They could have just never bothered and waited for someone to slip up then sue, and destroy CentOS. Red Hat is a business, and even as good as it is for their business to help CentOS, they cant make exceptions to their AUP. I think they did CentOS a big favor by communicating the changes.
I've used Linux for about 12 years now, and never once have I been able to pick up the phone and call support. However when things require enterprise level service, and business, or in my case a University, is dependent on those services, it is good to not have to rely entirely on the in house talent for solutions. Some things I've had to tackle took probably $2,000 worth of my time to solve, which is how the "bean counters" see things.
- Trey