On Thu, January 8, 2015 10:44 am, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:48 AM, James B. Byrne byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca wrote:
A perusal of the contents of both the Fedora devel list and users list does not give one much hope that such a point of view would be tolerated, much less welcomed.
Exactly. They don't care about breakage, only change. In the early days I tried to follow Fedora development and no one paid any attention to complaints about breaking interfaces that other things rely on. I eventually just gave up when they pushed a kernel update mid-rev that wouldn't boot on my (mainstream IBM) test box and subsequent updates were the same. I don't really expect them to care
- the people who have something invested in existing components and
interfaces have been split out of that community. I just see it as a big mistake to let them control the future of the distribution to people that need stability and ongoing interface compatibility.
One might, however, consider that the CentOS list is a concentration of people that evidently have some status within a number of Enterprises.
I used to try to encourage using more linux vs.Windows here and deployed Centos for infrastructure myself wherever possible because it used to be easier to manage and more stable. But now that I'm approaching retirement and realizing that the current management processes aren't going to continue to work, I think that may have been a mistake.
I read it and there are very familiar feelings. Some 7 or so years ago I found myself at a meeting (that was open solaris meeting) with a bunch of people who started looking for alternatives to migrate their boxes to from Linux. (I may be off on time; it was right after Oracle acquired Sun Microsystems, so there was already this joke out there: how do you call that system? If you repeat Sun-Oracle very fast you likely will get it right: "snorkel" ;-) One of the pushing points was: already then on average every 30-45 days was either glibc or kernel update, meaning you have to reboot the box (and on multiple threads here there was a bunch of other unpleasant things mentioned so I'll skip them...). Linux from Unix-like system became more Windows like (sorry if it offends anyone, but I can't hold myself and not repeat what one of people called Linux then: "Lindoze").
So, several of those people fled to open solaris. My journey was different, I ended up migrating a bunch of most important boxes to FreeBSD. I know how many on this list are already allergic to me saying this, I promise, this is the last time. I'm using as excuse something familiar I feel in James's post...
Valeri
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