On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:02 PM Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
On 12/8/20 2:01 PM, centos@niob.at wrote:
On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote:
Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 Stream? What are the benefits?
I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that question. Is it just a name change? Is it an attempt to put CentOS on a subscription model?
Stream is the RHEL sorce code for rhel + 0.1 .. so durng the 8.3 rhel cycle, stream will be rhel 8.4 source code.
It is not very far ahead of the current code. It is indeed the code you will get in 6 months. It is not 'new shiny' .. it is newer enterprise.
What are the benefits:
- Many people (like Intel and Facebook) are providing feedback in real
time. So can any user. They should have in place, before RHEL 9 development starts, the ability to accept public community pull requests into stream.
- This code is still RHEL source code .. it is just not released in
rhel yet. Almost all of it will be released in the upcoming RHEL point release.
- Most bugs will get fixed faster, if the code is pulled into stream.
Many times you don't get the fix until the next point release .. and this will be what stream is.
You are putting lipstick on a pig. Let's face it: This is IBM pulling the plug on CentOS.
Not a single one of those "benefits" will benefit *me*. I am a private user hosting his own machines with CentOS for stability but using RHEL for work. I do not have the money to pay for RHEL. But I do contribute to open-source projects, some of which are part of RHEL.
I'm pretty sure IBM is behind this: They still do not like the open-source model. They only like money.
After 20 years of running and advocating for Redhat based Distros (Fedora on workstations, CentOS on servers) I night have to jump ship (if somebody is going to clone "classic" CentOS to keep tracing RHEL I might reconsider). Debian or Ubuntu: here I come. I will also no longer advocate for RHEL in the workplace where we used CentOS for non-production machines and RHEL for production.
Thanks for the hard work you put into CentOS over the years. Sorry to hear that it now turns out to have been wasted.
I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still has a CEO, CFO, etc. Red Hat also maintains a neutral relationship with many IBM competitors. So this was not an IBM decision.
But, was this a RedHat decision? In other words, was the CentOS Board influenced by RedHat to make this decision in an effort to generate more revenue by forcing users to switch to a RHEL paid subscription to keep the status quo?
If so, I assure them, based on all the feedback I've seen so far, this decision will backfire.