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On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 01:06:39AM +0800, Feizhou wrote:
sendmail led to qmail led to postfix
I am sure exim fits somewhere :D
Actually, exim somes from S/Mail :)
From smail's page: Smail-3 was written as a Sendmail replacement for 'normal' people normal was italized. I remembered there was a connection some where :D
:)
Anyway, I think your solution, even tho it does have many merits, will add unneeded complexity to Alain's setup.
He still needs a virtual backend. Either learn to use someone else's tools or make your own...
If he really opts for a virtual backend, and he doesn't have a problem with "blackbox" solutions, there are some nice ones based on qmail. I would never use it, but some people use and like it.
Well, it probably just that I have not seen one for postfix yet, not that i looked....
Me neither. I have been running e-mail server for so long, that I really don't care about these "blackbox" solutions. They are more trouble than they are worth.
Simple it is. There is absolutely NOTHING to do after initial installation and configuration. Oh, you meant the setup? Well, some manage with help, others won't get anywhere without.
I have installed qmail twice. Trying to get any HA system in place with it was a nightmare.
HA? No way with any other MTA unless you have some form of centralized delivery information for the mta to a SAN/FC/NFS (ack!)/some form of shared storage.
EMC storage if you have the cash. AFS if you don't.
NFS is as unreliable as it gets.
But I can symptize with you. I (me, myself) find postfix a pain to configure.
I don't find postfix a pain to configure...besides Devdas and one of my managers, there is no other postfix guy where i work. We do have an exim guy :D. postfix requires more reading to maintain and configure. It gets an unfair advantage by being preinstalled and preconfigured for system account delivery and thereby making it appear simple.
Yeah, the bastards :)
Actually, as long as you have a sound base system (qmail, exim, postfix, even zmailer), and someone with a few years experience, you can always get a good system.
AH, we have a slight misunderstanding here. procmail don't handle .forward files I believe. procmail is a filtering program. Its competitor/comparison would be maildrop for which I'd vouch for given procmail's cpu hogging properties.
.forward simply does not match .qmail
Oh. .forward has nothing to do with "local delivery". You are correct in comparing procmail with maildrop. Those are the one we can classify as "local delivery system".
how can you say that? .forward provides delivery instructions for locally delivered mails so how come you say that it has nothing to do with "local delivery"?
Actually, .forward provides intra-MTA routing instructions, not delivery instructions :)
I agree "nothing to do" was a little strong worded, since everything has to do with local delivery. That is, after all, what the whole e-mail system is about.
But yes, if you are comparing ".forward" with ".qmail", you are correct. Myself, I like ".procmailrc" better :) Or .exim_filter, which can be configured, but I really don't recomend. Exim filters are so "powerful" that I tend to consider them more of a security problem than a feature. I'm just happy they are not enabled by default, and even take a little doing to get running.
So exim has its own filtering agent too? I must look at exim one day.
Yup. You can even use it to do most things people usually do with amavis. I have a server where I implemented individual message size limiting, so each group of uses will have a different limit, entirely based on exim filters.
Of course, exim is monolitic, so I would not say it has its own filtering agent. It has a filtering system :)
Actually, you can do almost everything you get from procmail with exim filters. I'm just used to write procmail rules, and have a huge database of those, so I keep using it for the sake of simplicity (and not reinventing the weel).
Hmm...probably time to take this offlist if we continue :P
Nah. No one started screaming yet, or even compared us to Bryan. So we still have some room :)
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