I for one have never been a fan of mailing lists, at least the way they are mostly used today. People use them like a forum, assuming everybody wants to know everybody's problems. Mailing lists in my opinion should be used for announcements and notifications only. All the other chatter should go on a forum where users can subscribe and unsubscribe to threads that they find important. That being said, I've only been on this mailing list for 24 hours so far and I'm already doing what you said, deleting the mail without even looking at it (although I did read this message). My guess would be that in another 24-48 hours I'll probably turn off email delivery's entirely, that’s usually what happens. Maybe this ML needs to be split into mirror-announcements and mirror-users so that some of us that only care about the important things can subscribe to announcements and leave the users chatter to those who want to receive it. Still my opinion is that chatter belongs in a forum.

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-----Original Message----- From: Valeri Galtsev Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:17 AM To: Mailing list for CentOS mirrors. Subject: Re: [CentOS-mirror] New Mirror comes

Hi Everybody,

One thing I've noticed: during past 3 Month or so I just throw away everything coming through centos-mirror@centos.org mail list without reading.

I do remember someone on this list made a suggestion in the past: to do all new mirror registration routine outside of the list, and make the list dedicated to maybe rare but important things that mirror maintainers should be aware of. Such as: any changes in master hosts. Any movements of content away from main scope (example: centos vault). Someone can continue the list.

This way we (public mirror admins) will be able to indeed stay on top of our duties and serve the community better.

Just a thought.

Thanks. Valeri

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I do personally prefer the idea that the initial mirror submission goes via a web form to Ralph and co direct as that would also ensure all the appropriate information is captured, further comms could then go via this list as normal without issue and would reduce some of the feeling of spam.

for the people always emailing about unsubscribing - please send an email to this address from the address you have signed up: centos-mirror-leave@centos.org

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On 1 Feb 2013, at 12:22, Emil archive@ftp.sunet.se wrote:

--On torsdag, januari 31, 2013 11.52.08 -0800 Shaun Reitan shaun.reitan@ndchost.com wrote:

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I for one have never been a fan of mailing lists, at least the way they are mostly used today. People use them like a forum, assuming everybody wants to know everybody's problems. Mailing lists in my opinion should be used for announcements and notifications only. All the other chatter should go on a forum where users can subscribe and unsubscribe to threads that they find important. That being said, I've only been on this mailing list for 24 hours so far and I'm already doing what you said, deleting the mail without even looking at it (although I did read this message). My guess would be that in another 24-48 hours I'll probably turn off email delivery's entirely, that?s usually what happens. Maybe this ML needs to be split into mirror-announcements and mirror-users so that some of us that only care about the important things can subscribe to announcements and leave the users chatter to those who want to receive it. Still my opinion is that chatter belongs in a forum.

I mostly agree. BUT -- most of what is sent here would not make any sense in a forum either because it is simply not relevant for anyone but the mirror admins and the master admins. A 1-to-1 communication is perfectly carried out using direct email or any two-part message passing system.

In addition, I would like a slightly more relaxed "rule" of what can lists can be used for. For example, it may be usefull to _more than one_ mirror to know of temporary problems with the master or tier1 mirrors. If a leaf mirror (having only end users) on the other hand is offline I couldn't care less.

A would also consider tool tips ok for the list, tuning discussions, what people use for their reports etc ok, but """how do I read the rsync man page""" would not (It would fit a web page or forum.)

Imo it is actually a rather simple question; is this information interesting for anyone but me and the recipient. If it isn't a list is not the place.

Best regards, Emil

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--On torsdag, januari 31, 2013 13.17.52 -0600 Valeri Galtsev galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:

Hi Everybody,

One thing I've noticed: during past 3 Month or so I just throw away everything coming through centos-mirror@centos.org mail list without reading.

I do remember someone on this list made a suggestion in the past: to do all new mirror registration routine outside of the list, and make the list dedicated to maybe rare but important things that mirror maintainers should be aware of. Such as: any changes in master hosts. Any movements of content away from main scope (example: centos vault). Someone can continue the list.

This way we (public mirror admins) will be able to indeed stay on top of our duties and serve the community better.

Just a thought.

Thanks. Valeri

I may have been the one suggesting a second list (16 jul 2012) but other have either acknowledged the idea or asked the same question. As pointed out back them, there is a second list that may be more appropriate if you realy want just the minimum.

It is not what _I_ would prefer but may suit others.

Best regards, Emil