Hello All,

Please allow me to put in my 2c worth...

Going way back when CentOS 7 was first released, I found it difficult to migrate from 6 to 7. For example, the management of IPTables for myself was quite simple (editing a single file) and changing the way things are managed with FirewallD at the time was challenging. Over time, you adapt and learn the new systems. There still are a lot of systems that use CentOS 7 and in the process of migrating to 8, however that may now not occur.

The biggest thing that threw me off with CentOS 8 was RHEL's decision to cease native support for the SAS2008 drivers. There is still a lot of hardware in production that uses the SAS2008 chipset, and it is somewhat difficult to slipstream drivers into the installer in order to use CentOS 8 on systems with drives and cards that use SAS2008. It was quite painful for myself who had to build 64 x Dell M610 blades manually which still used storage controllers with the SAS2008 chipset.

It is a major mistake for CentOS/RHEL to cease support for CentOS 8 so early. The global IT community will take a big hit. There are going to be countless individuals, organisations, companies, schools, etc. who will scramble to migrate to platforms that are so strongly supported (*looking at Ubuntu*) and there are going to be a lot of annoyed and pissed-off devs who have been busy working to rebuild their software to ensure compatibility with CentOS 8 only to learn that the OS will no longer be supported. CentOS/RHEL should now consider CentOS 8 dead as no one will bother spending the time or effort to develop software for a system that will be obsolete in just over 12 months.

RHEL really needs to consider how they play their cards. I believe their only saving grace, is to offer licensing for RHEL 8 at no cost until it goes EOL.

Regards, Christopher Hawker

________________________________ From: CentOS-mirror centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org on behalf of Christian Freund freund@wrz.de Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2020 2:12 AM To: Mailing list for CentOS mirrors. centos-mirror@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS-mirror] Removal of mirror.alpha-labs.net

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as CentOS is now a complete and utter piece of garbage

I am no longer willing to give then any of my resources. Please remove mirror.alpha-labs.net from any and all servers.

Hi Christian, I can understand frustration and so why you reacted like you did. My only message would be actually : "Don't shoot the messenger [TM]" ... :/ Let me just (if you permit it) slightly disagree with your "CentOS is now a complete and utter piece of garbage" : CentOS Linux itself hasn't changed and will remain so still need a mirror network, etc .. But probably not worth discussing on the list as myself I'd like to wait some days to publicly say what I think of all this. Anyway, let me thank you for having been part of the wide CentOS mirror network in the last years, as you helped people using CentOS I've removed your mirror from our crawler DB and so shouldn't be "crawled/validated" anymore Kind Regards, Fabian Arrotin

Hello Fabian and Christian, hello List,

I do not think that CentOS is garbage now, but it is going to be unusable for (pre)production very soon.

From my point it is annoying that we now have to downgrade to 7 after going from 6 to 8. For people parallely using RHEL this is the moment where you pay really a lot of money to Redhat or kick out RHEL and CentOS completely in your long-term-plans for a time beyond 2021.

We are not taking our mirror down (yet). But there is no reason to keep it up longer than needed for a project that lost its significance.

I am "not amused" that CentOS stops to be what it once was: "A Cent for an enterprise community OS that is widely used".

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