Hello everyone,
First, let me thank you all for providing a public CentOS mirror. There are now over 170 sites registered :D
I would like your feedback on the proper way to warn the public mirrors monitored at http://mirror-status.centos.org/ that something is going wrong.
I was thinking of:
1st email inquiry : "what's up?" - timestamp > 3 days late or server not responding for > 3 days
2nd email inquiry : "what's wrong?" - timestamp > 7 days late or server not responding for > 7 days
If no news after the 2nd inquiry, remove the server from the list after another grace delay of 7 days.
Of course that the general idea, there can be lots of good reason to have a late/lagging mirror. We can just also remove the server from the mirrorlist (most visible annoyance from a lamda user perspective, imho).
Any input welcome,
Cheers,
Tru
Hi Tru,
What are the current settings for removing mirrors from the mirror list? I was under the impression that there is already an automated script that removes any mirror which is not responding. Or perhaps that's only for the mirrorlist and not mirror-status?
Regards, Alex
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:20:51 +0100 Tru Huynh tru@centos.org wrote:
Hello everyone,
First, let me thank you all for providing a public CentOS mirror. There are now over 170 sites registered :D
I would like your feedback on the proper way to warn the public mirrors monitored at http://mirror-status.centos.org/ that something is going wrong.
I was thinking of:
1st email inquiry : "what's up?"
- timestamp > 3 days late or server not responding for > 3 days
2nd email inquiry : "what's wrong?"
- timestamp > 7 days late or server not responding for > 7 days
If no news after the 2nd inquiry, remove the server from the list after another grace delay of 7 days.
Of course that the general idea, there can be lots of good reason to have a late/lagging mirror. We can just also remove the server from the mirrorlist (most visible annoyance from a lamda user perspective, imho).
Any input welcome,
Cheers,
Tru
Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance) http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBEFA581B
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 02:30:12PM -0500, Alex Chekholko wrote:
Hi Tru,
Hi Alex,
What are the current settings for removing mirrors from the mirror list? I was under the impression that there is already an automated script that removes any mirror which is not responding. Or perhaps that's only for the mirrorlist and not mirror-status?
that's correct: the mirrorlist and mirror status are generated automatically (hourly) from the up to date public mirrors. The removal of the mirrors from the database is manual (and will stay like that for the moment).
I just wanted to get your input for a correct/approved procedure to remove mirrors from the database.
Cheers,
Tru
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 20:20 +0100, Tru Huynh wrote:
1st email inquiry : "what's up?"
- timestamp > 3 days late or server not responding for > 3 days
2nd email inquiry : "what's wrong?"
- timestamp > 7 days late or server not responding for > 7 days
If no news after the 2nd inquiry, remove the server from the list after another grace delay of 7 days.
I think this sounds completely reasonable.
Bob
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Tru Huynh wrote:
I would like your feedback on the proper way to warn the public mirrors monitored at http://mirror-status.centos.org/ that something is going wrong.
I was thinking of:
1st email inquiry : "what's up?"
- timestamp > 3 days late or server not responding for > 3 days
2nd email inquiry : "what's wrong?"
- timestamp > 7 days late or server not responding for > 7 days
If no news after the 2nd inquiry, remove the server from the list after another grace delay of 7 days.
Of course that the general idea, there can be lots of good reason to have a late/lagging mirror. We can just also remove the server from the mirrorlist (most visible annoyance from a lamda user perspective, imho).
A good idea -- but.. where do you send the email to? I'm not aware that the email addresses of responsible folks taking care of the mirrors have been collected at any point.
Did you mean "broadcast the warning on centos-mirror mailing-list"? If yes, the proposed mechanism seems too noisy.
Pekka Savola
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:49:00PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: ...
A good idea -- but.. where do you send the email to? I'm not aware that the email addresses of responsible folks taking care of the mirrors have been collected at any point.
Some mirrors have point of contact filed, not all... If there's no email, I will try to find it on the mirror site. If I fail (nothing on the mailing list archives, nothing after some google searches, ...) then I will just delete after 15 days.
Did you mean "broadcast the warning on centos-mirror mailing-list"? If yes, the proposed mechanism seems too noisy.
No, that would be like finger pointing people, definitely not a proper way to behave, imho.
Cheers,
Tru
Would it be that difficult to collect the data and require all new mirrors to provide the email address? Maybe set a deadline to have a responsible person address on file or you are removed?
-- Ty R. Mote Assistant Director of Technology Krum Independent School District http://www.krumisd.net O: 940/482-6000x283 F: 940/482-9951 C: 806/290-1313 ty.mote@krumisd.net ________________________________________ From: centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org [centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Pekka Savola [psavola@nic.funet.fi] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 14:49 To: Mailing list for CentOS mirrors. Subject: Re: [CentOS-mirror] RFC email for late/lagging CentOS public mirrors
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Tru Huynh wrote:
I would like your feedback on the proper way to warn the public mirrors monitored at http://mirror-status.centos.org/ that something is going wrong.
I was thinking of:
1st email inquiry : "what's up?"
- timestamp > 3 days late or server not responding for > 3 days
2nd email inquiry : "what's wrong?"
- timestamp > 7 days late or server not responding for > 7 days
If no news after the 2nd inquiry, remove the server from the list after another grace delay of 7 days.
Of course that the general idea, there can be lots of good reason to have a late/lagging mirror. We can just also remove the server from the mirrorlist (most visible annoyance from a lamda user perspective, imho).
A good idea -- but.. where do you send the email to? I'm not aware that the email addresses of responsible folks taking care of the mirrors have been collected at any point.
Did you mean "broadcast the warning on centos-mirror mailing-list"? If yes, the proposed mechanism seems too noisy.
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Mote, Ty R. wrote:
Would it be that difficult to collect the data and require all new mirrors to provide the email address? Maybe set a deadline to have a responsible person address on file or you are removed?
We already do have the email addresses of most of the mirror admins.
The others would not be hard to obtain.
The problem is that unresponsive mirrors are likely to have unresponsive mirror admins.
I would propose a single final email to the list prior to removal of a mirror - just in case someone is lurking ...
Regards Lance
-- Ty R. Mote Assistant Director of Technology Krum Independent School District http://www.krumisd.net O: 940/482-6000x283 F: 940/482-9951 C: 806/290-1313 ty.mote@krumisd.net ________________________________________ From: centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org [centos-mirror-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Pekka Savola [psavola@nic.funet.fi] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 14:49 To: Mailing list for CentOS mirrors. Subject: Re: [CentOS-mirror] RFC email for late/lagging CentOS public mirrors
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Tru Huynh wrote:
I would like your feedback on the proper way to warn the public mirrors monitored at http://mirror-status.centos.org/ that something is going wrong.
I was thinking of:
1st email inquiry : "what's up?"
- timestamp > 3 days late or server not responding for > 3 days
2nd email inquiry : "what's wrong?"
- timestamp > 7 days late or server not responding for > 7 days
If no news after the 2nd inquiry, remove the server from the list after another grace delay of 7 days.
Of course that the general idea, there can be lots of good reason to have a late/lagging mirror. We can just also remove the server from the mirrorlist (most visible annoyance from a lamda user perspective, imho).
A good idea -- but.. where do you send the email to? I'm not aware that the email addresses of responsible folks taking care of the mirrors have been collected at any point.
Did you mean "broadcast the warning on centos-mirror mailing-list"? If yes, the proposed mechanism seems too noisy.
Pekka Savola _______________________________________________ CentOS-mirror mailing list CentOS-mirror@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-mirror
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