[CentOS-devel] CentOS-4.4 yumconf

--- Johnny Hughes <mailing-lists at hughesjr.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 16:22 -0700, C.M. Connelly
> wrote:
> > "JP" == Jim Perrin <jperrin at gmail.com>
> > 
> > Jim,
> > 
> >     JP> This was discussed before implementation,
> in the -devel
> >     JP> channel on IRC. The full ramifications
> weren't felt
> >     JP> initially because it worked fine for stock
> centos. If
> >     JP> you'd like to participate in the
> discussions, you're
> >     JP> welcome to join the irc channel.
> > 
> > Like, I suspect, most people using CentOS, I'm not
> paid to work on
> > the OS, and I don't have time to hang out on IRC
> on the off chance
> > that someone will bring up something that might
> completely screw
> > up my systems down the road.
> 
> That comment is utterly ridiculous.
> 
> You seem to be under the misconception that someone
> is getting paid to
> work on CentOS.
> 
> No one has EVER been paid one thin dime to work on
> CentOS ... nor has
> anyone ever been charged one thin dime to download
> or use it.
> 
> All the developers of CentOS donate their time and
> their own boxes.  We
> do get hardware and mirror donations, but either the
> hardware is donated
> by others OR the developers buy it themselves.  I
> have 4 main build
> boxes to build 3 different arches, 1 of which was
> donated the others I
> bought to build CentOS. These boxes can not be used
> for anytihng else,
> as they have to have the build environmnet strictly
> controlled to
> produce good RPMS for CentOS. The story is much the
> same for the other
> developers.  Not only do we not get paid, it costs
> us something to build
> CentOS.
> 
> What makes anyone here think that I have 30-50 hours
> a week to GIVE to
> the CentOS project for free.  How about my $500.00 a
> month electric bill
> because I am running 4 build servers running 24x7,
> or my $99.00 a month
> internet bill so I can quickly upload ISOs.
> 
> The developers pay their own expenses, they donate
> their weekends,
> vacations, and off work hours to make CentOS happen,
> and most of them
> have done it for more than 2 years.
> 
> They spend their time "hanging out on IRC on the off
> chance that"
> someone wants to talk about the way the upstream
> provider does their
> updates.  They spend time helping people stand up a
> dhcp server, set up
> TLS with post fix, doing DDNS.  They do this on many
> CentOS IRC
> channels.
> 
> > 
> > To be frank, saying, ``Oh, we talked about that on
> IRC,'' is about
> > as useful as saying, ``Jennie, Bob, and I talked
> about it over a
> > drink at the Boo Bar.''
> 
> If that is not the kind of OS you want, then you can
> pay $2500.00 a pop
> for a much more professional one.  Oh, but every
> update cycle, they
> still make major changes.  Look at the new things
> added this update
> cycle.
> 
> > 
> > IRC is a great place to work out implementation
> details and maybe
> > even do some thought experiments to imagine what
> the impact might
> > be, but mailing lists are a much better place to
> have real
> > discussions, especially when your changes might
> impact people
> > outside the tiny circle of people who frequent the
> IRC channel.
> > 
> 
> That might be true and MANY things are worked out
> devel list.  MANY,
> MANY things are discussed here.  However, the yum
> configuration files,
> as well as the ones for up2date and any other update
> mechanism need to
> be in centos-release ... and that is where they are
> staying.  Read below
> for the facts.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Facts as to why centos-yumconf was discontinued and
> why the
> configuration files are in centos-relase for
> CentOS-4:
> 
> 1.  The upstream package up2date-4.4.69-25.src.rpm
> (in RHEL 4) has this
> in the package:
> --------------------------
> # in rhel4/fc this file moved to redhat-releases
> %if %{is_RHEL_3}
> %config(noreplace) /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources
> %endif
> --------------------------
> 
> The upstream package redhat-release-4AS-5.5.src.rpm
> (the latest RHEL 4
> AS package) has this in the package:
> 
> --------------------------
> mkdir -p -m 755 $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/sysconfig/rhn
> install -m 644 sources
> $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/sysconfig/rhn
> --------------------------
> 
> So redhat-release is where the configuration file
> for up2date lives.
> This was changed upstream at the release of RHEL-4
> and is still the way
> it is being done.
> 
> 2.  The file fedora-release-3-9.src.rpm contains
> these from fedora core
> 3 contains these lines:
> 
> -------------------------
> mkdir -p -m 755 $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/sysconfig/rhn
> mkdir -p -m 755 $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/yum.repos.d
> install -m 644 sources
> $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources
> for file in fedora*repo ; do
>   install -m 644 $file
> $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/yum.repos.d
> done
> -------------------------
> 
> So fedora-release is where the configuration files
> for up2date and yum
> live.  This is true for every Fedora release after
> FC3 as well. (Though
> up2date as gone away, the update systems have their
> configuration files
> in the fedora-release file).
> 
> 3.  The file redhat-release-4.91Server-1.src.rpm
> does not have any .repo
> files as there was none produced with the beta ...
> however it does have
> this code:
> 
> -------------------------
> mkdir -p -m 755 $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/sysconfig/rhn
> install -m 644 sources
> $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/sysconfig/rhn
> 
> #mkdir -p -m 755 $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/yum.repos.d
> #for file in redhat*repo ; do
> #  install -m 644 $file
> $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/yum.repos.d
> #done
> -------------------------
> 
> So in the upcoming RHEL5, the sources file still
> lives in redhat-release
> and I was told that when repo files are distributed,
> they will be
> distributed via redhat-release.
> 
> 4.  There is an apt included in CentOS Extras and
> the configuration file
> was included in that package.  If a newer apt is
> provided somewhere else
> and if it replaces the old apt, it also erases the
> configuration file

thank you very-very much john
I really appreciate this messages and now I fully
understand the positions of Centos's developers
I must say that now I support the move even if some
working scenarios failed with the update

again, thanks
roger

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RedHat Certified Engineer ( RHCE )
Cisco Certified Network Associate ( CCNA )

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