Christoph Maser wrote: >> > Actually the default logins (text mode and gdm) both show the hostname. > Don't tell me you leave logged in sessions. > No not normally, only on a few specific machines on the LAN that are only accessible from another machine on the LAN. 1) Not all backup software has usable command line tools, so sometimes you have to connect the a GUI on a logged in session. 2) If you look at the way remote desktop(vino-server) and vnc work it is impossible to remote control the session if the machine is not already logged in (the session doesn't exist). Some dirty workarounds do exist i.e the machine uses gnome session, but vnc uses a kde session to avoid various conflicts. I reported this to the vino developers in august last year: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352349 --snip-- Is it possible in any current or future releases of vino to connect to the machine while it is sat at the login screen? I currently have to setup an auto-login with an unpriviledged user after a period of time from the login screen, or physically go to the computer to log-in then go back to my desk to remote control it. Auto-logins as another user, or having to walk to the computer first to enable remote control would seem to be self-defeating --snip-- At the risk of going further off-topic I wont say anymore on this aspect. Jason_Meers -- website at: http://www.exim-new-users.co.uk hosting by: http://www.line3.co.uk