[CentOS-devel] rhwas 5 work?
Johnny Hughes
johnny at centos.org
Thu Apr 10 16:23:46 UTC 2008
Les Mikesell wrote:
> Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>
>>>>>> There is something that I don't have clearly understood, why
>>>>>> couldn't you use icedtea java instead ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because icedtea is Java 1.7, which isn't really there yet. This one is
>>>>> Java 1.6.
>>>>
>>>> And even Java 1.6 is a strech, as the webstack is currently built
>>>> using java-1.4.2 ... which we can not use to build since we can not
>>>> distribute it.
>>>
>>> What's the problem with a jpackage nosrc rpm and instructions to
>>> download your own copy of the java binary from Sun and execute this
>>> command?
>>>
>>
>> Because CentOS does not distribute RPMS that we can't get repo closure
>> on.
>
> By popular demand? Dictated by some arbitrary policy?
Because I said so :D
>
>> People expect that if they say yum install jbossas it will work and
>> NOT require them to build stuff.
>
> I don't know anyone who currently expects that. Those expectations were
> dashed long ago in the fedora/centos world along with any expectations
> of java being usable at all. They used to expect to go spend a day
> reading the jpackage docs to find the right pieces, then grab the Sun
> package, rebuild the nosrc rpm, then use yum to install the jpackage
> apps. But current fedora and Centos 5.x include broken versions of what
> jpackage used to provide and jpackage doesn't even have documentation on
> how to use their packages with them even thought the nosrc rpm for sun
> would probably still work.
>
>> Also ... I can't build GPL stuff against NON-FREE stuff and distribute
>> it as GPL :D
>
> Aggregation isn't a problem.
It isn't aggregation IF it is a derivative work.
>
>> (Well or at least it is a questionable proactice)
>
> Nobody questioned it when Sun was the only possible JVM.
>
Sure it was ... you don't see any of that stuff in Fedora do you? Or
Gentoo or Debian. If it was such a good idea, they all would have had
it in there several years ago.
>> AND since there is a FREE / GPL version available that is what we will
>> use or we won't distribute it.
>
> But what about that expectation of working...
>
If it doesn't work it doesn't ship ... and we are right back where we
started.
The bottom line is if you require that, buy a RHWAS and jboss
subscription ... at least if we can't make a redistributable one work.
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