On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Karanbir Singh wrote: > On 07/22/2010 04:25 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > That could be. I'm not sure which specific things you're referring to. > > I vaguely recall frequent volunteers to engage in the > > build/test/release process met with the pronouncement that CentOS's team > > is a meritocracy and that people will be allowed in as they prove their > > Yes, thats about right. The idea of testing stuff within CentOS has a > very finite end point. With very few exceptions the only people trying > to get onto the testing team are people looking for early access. There > have only ever been a small number of people who actually do anything. I > would love, more than anything else at this time, to have a large and > productive testing team - but one that actually does something. I don't think the problem here is either the size or the idleness of the test team. What are the steps involved in building/validating/testing/releasing security updates? I don't know. Which steps have been completed and which steps are still to be done. I don't know. Is the bottleneck the testing team? I don't think so. What we do know are that Tru has been unavailable for various reasons and Karanbir is "supposed to be covering for him (and doing a bit of a crap job at the moment)". These things happen, and I don't wish to attach personal blame. But I think it is also useful to acknowledge that these are the reasons for the non-released packages, rather than talk about testing resources or opportunities for people to contribute to the wiki. As I stated earlier, I think there is systematic process issue that the CentOS project should address. I'm not sure whether you are saying that there isn't a problem, or that the problem exists but is not solveable. I don't think either response is appropriate. Wouldn't it be more useful to admit that there is a problem, and discuss exactly what needs to be done to solve it? [I'm trying to be constructive here, so please don't be defensive. Russ can vouch for me. I don't just wish to be spoonfed, and I do know what it is like to ask for help and receive little. I just don't see that as the problem here.] --- Charlie